Florida State and Clemson are as good as gone from the ACC and the Big Ten just might be their landing spot. If the Seminoles and Tigers find their way to the B1G, what does than mean for the conference going forward?
Clemson and Florida State would be good for the B10 or SEC. Football powerhouses with Huge Stadiums with great Fanbases that travel well and spend money. They would make money for either conference and be good investments.
@andrewfanfan, better money for FSU and Clemson in the Big 10. They will both be representing their state solo bringing in new recruiting regions. more money to have Ohio State and Michigan over, say Bama and LSU. And competition is close to SEC with the expansion
Nah, not sold on Clemson. Their revenue numbers are actually lower than you think and their academics are pretty poor comparatively. Give me FSU, Notre Dame, Stanford, and North Carolina.
@@webmoore4353 the idea of FSU still feels weird to me, but they have high revenue and are moving fast in the academic rankings. Should break the top 50 this year. I can talk myself into getting behind that. The other three I listed are obviously great fits. Problem is, I believe Clemson would only be in front of Nebraska and Iowa academically, and Nebraska kinda fucked over the BIG by cutting back on furthering their academics right after they joined. Could see them maybe doing something similar. Also, I’m not sure how much money they’ll actually bring in if they start to fall off a bit. I’m sure the TV networks want Clemson right now, but they may not love them later, and I’m not convinced the BIG presidents love them now.
@@Conorj398 Florida state and notre dame would be ideal but it won’t happen. The Irish are far too delusional. Stanford is terrible at football and basketball. UNC would be great but they will end up in the SEC
@@Conorj398 I agree in Clemson. Nebraska is also a victim of their campus arrangements. They have the Omaha location with a medical school and at one point among the best transplant programs in the nation, but based on how it is arranged, none of that counts. The clinical research is a key investment if theirs that doesn’t count and ag research isn’t always valued. They are also a state school in a small, mostly rural and shrinking state. Certainly headwinds, but still I get it. You have good points, and I agree Clemson is a clunky fit academically and culturally.
FSU and Notre Dame will be HUGE for the Big Ten. Then if they could add Clemson and Texas A&M. The SEC would definitely be second rate! Go NOLES, and go Big Ten!
Im from the Deep South, am a Clemson Alum (my wife is from Ohio) and I think Clemson and FSU would be great assets to the B1G (yall can come down here to play in November) there are lots of PA, OH, MI and other midwestern transplants down here, so you already have a local fan base, plus imagine the Ohio St- Clemson rivalry played every year! My personal top choice is the ACC stays intact as it is now (Maybe Notre Dame a full member, maybe add Utah or Wash St and Oregan St) and get a new infusion of more cash but that doesn't look likely to happen.
@zoam7881 but how many people are really going to fly from Oregon to Atlanta or charlotte and then drive to Clemson and then pay hundreds of dollars for a hotel in greenville Sc or drve 2 hours back to cltor atl? This stuff sounds good, but it's not realistic. These 2 teams will be in the SEC
I have an insane idea for the B1G. North: ND, Michigan, MSU, Wiscy, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, and Indiana. East: Ohio State, PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, UUVA, UNC, Clemson, and GA Tech. South: Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Okie State, TCU, Miami, and FSU. West: Colorado, Utah, ASU, Nevada, USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington. Every team would play seven division games, three rival games from each of the other divisions, and two warmup games against whatever MAC school. ND would be able to schedule Navy and Stanford. At the end of the regular season 1-8 from the North would play 1-8 from the South. The same would go for the East and West. Then the winners of the two number one games would p play each other for the championship.
They might be the only 2 programs left that are worth taking. The SEC is targeting North Carolina and Notre Dame. I don’t think there are any teams left outside those 4 that would add revenue to the P2.
@@Michael-y2m9s Notre Dame going SEC would end their reputation as an independent national brand.Which is the main reason they haven't accepted an invitation to the B1G. The SEC will be forced to go to nine conference games in 2026 regardless of if they expand. That means that Notre Dame would be stuck playing in a regionally aligned conference and not playing a national slate of teams. Sure,they might be able to throw in Stanford and Navy as non conference games. And they would want to keep their biggest rivalry with USC. But going SEC would likely lead the B1G to pressure USC,Purdue, and Michigan State,to drop ND. And it's possible that an ACC breakup would lead Stanford to change it's stance on sharing research,and accept an B1G invite at a reduced share. If FSU and Clemson go B1G. The SEC will get North Carolina,NCST,VATECH,and Virginia to go to 20 and the B1G would take Notre Dame,Stanford,Cal,and Miami or Georgia Tech, to go to 24.
It's difficult to imagine ND avoiding the B1G TEN forever. I'm interested in ND and FSU, more than Clemson and Stanford. But all four would be okay for me.
If college football ends up moving to a "Power 2," I think the Big 10 really needs to take at least two out of the three remaining truly elite football brands (FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame) in order to solidify themselves as legitimately equal to the expanded SEC. If the SEC gets more than one of those three then they will be the superior conference.
Yeah pod covered it pretty well if they add FSU/Clemson ..top 7 Big10 vs SEC equal...add ND and it's game over. SEC adding NC and Virginia bring nothing but w's for the top teams there...NC for being so cocky really bring nothing to the table in football
Perhaps they don't drop teams however if they don't, there will be a restructuring of revenue disbursal. There simply has to be. School who lack commitment and consistently under perform will have to put up or shut up and either invest or step aside
I hear what you're saying and that could happen but the networks really can't force a conference to drop teams. They negotiate their own TV deals and all they have to say is if you want the Big boys you pay for everyone. It's part of the cost of doing business.
@josephcernansky1794 | ya thanks for bringing that to my attention. I thought IL was bigger than PA. I was incorrect. On the bright side, the B10 is in PA and OH. If they were to pick up FSU and A&M, that would have the B10 in the top 7 most populated states (counting Rutgers as NY since it's in NYC metro).
Football success means nothing. That’s why both the B1G and SEC want UNC. To demonstrate just how little they care about football. Or at least that’s what the guy desperately trying to tell everyone that the P2 conferences want a nonfootball school more than any of the football powerhouses who make money wants you to believe.
I always said FSU, Clemson, North Carolina and Virginia should be the teams that fill out the expanded SEC. Four- 5 team divisions. Round Robin for divisions. One crossover team per division. Every team has one fixed intra divisional opponent. Eight total conference games every year. Every team plays 19 conference basketball games. Nothing is perfect! But this is close...
Including UVA is lazy but understandable thinking. One assumes that the "flagship" U in a state is the one that you want. If we were talking about Basketball, you might be right. But Football is driving this bus and, if you want entry into the state of Virginia, you owe it yourself to take a long look at VaTech instead of just assuming UVA. UVA has zero history of significant success on the gridiron or the commensurate enthusiasm in their fanbase for it. The state is not full of Wahoo football fans. There is low interest. The school itself has pretensions to being a "Public Ivy" and the leadership and donor base of that school is, frankly, ambivalent about being too good in football. VaTech, on the other hand, is all in on being better and they own a passionate fanbase. Given better financial resources, they have the ability to compete at a high level and really lock down that state for recruiting and for delivering a significant in-state fanbase.
FSU- Clemson- Notre Dame- Stanford. What a league. My lowly gophers are going to have to pick up their game to compete but i also think there will be lots of upsets this season where the lessor teams will play the bluebloods like it's their super bowl. Everyone wrote Northwestern off last year and they had a good year with interim coach and a depleted roster. Plus the NIL rev sharing will allow for team building programs to happen.
FSU has been full speed ahead to AAU since 2014. Also as FSU and Clemson both know the ACC refs have been treating those two teams like dog shit, especially when they play North Carolina teams.
Big 10 Ted: I agree with you. The Big 10 improves market footprint & football with FSU & Clemson. The SEC improved market footprint, basketball & academics & research with UNC & UVA. It’s a win, win for both sides.
UNC doesn’t want the SEC. Their own insiders are saying they want Big 10 due to how many varsity sports they have, academics, and better research and athletic cash.
@@encycl07pedia- As always unimpressive. FSU fans simply can't see where the school stands and is viewed by the top dogs and upper rights. Not even the CFP snub worked to prove how FSU is viewed.
It might take awhile, but with the additional money to pay players and NIL, FSU will most likely be able to recruit better and have additional funds to improve. So yea even if FSU goes 8-4 wins or whatever for a while its worth it in the long run. I really look forward to the new match ups too, i think it will definitely bring more eyeballs and people going to the games.
I as a clemson fan, would be happier seeing them play in big10....intriguing to play teams like, usc,Penn st, Ohio state, Michigan, ucla,Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa...
I have always thought this would make the absolute most sense. These are the two best brands in the ACC right now. The only other one really would be North Carolina and they seem to be more coveted by the SEC where as the SEC appears cool on Florida State and Clemson plus Florida State and Clemson are the only two right now that could potentially be available, if they win or settle their lawsuits…unc seems to have internal issues as to whether they even want to leave the acc right now.
Only real way to make it work, long term. Add 8 teams. Break into 3 divisions- Big Ten (w/10 members), Tier 2 and 3. Two lower divisions each 8 teams per division. Top 2 go up each year, bottom 2 out. 8 teams (should be): ND, Florida State, Clemson/Tex A&M NC, Duke, Miami, Georgia Tech, Stanford.
I’ve been saying for some time a max of 24. Those to be added: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Notre Dame. The final 2 a toss up between Stanford, Utah, Kansas, San Diego State, North Carolina, North Carolina State (if they don’t join the SEC)….
@@goblue636 San Diego State is building a nice, new stadium, has had good football, and basketball, is a good sized enrollment, graduate programs, etc. - on the rise. Also great travel destination and tv market. NC State only if UNC has to stick with them and UNC doesn’t go SEC.
@@encycl07pedia- Lol, alone they do not but the old Noles/Canes games were fierce and the Catholics v convicts matchups epic. B1G should see value there. Not to mention the fertile S FL recruiting ground which is second to none.
@@LoCoVANole Eh... both those games lost their luster years ago specifically because Moral Gables is no longer a key player. When was the last time anyone was excited about Neutered Shame/Moral Gables? The last time I remember them playing was 2017 in a 41-8 laugher that I didn't watch.
It’s the traveling for me that will put this league at a disadvantage.. That would seem to put a strain on the BiG 10 . As a FSU FAN , moneys great , matchups Great - Travel time SUX
Clemson fan here. I want this! I fn hate the SEC & the elitist snobbery associated with it. Nothing would make me feel sicker than hearing the chant of SEC SEC SEC from clemson fans. I would have to just walk away from college football at that point.
@@GamingHistorySource No..., CLEMSON and FSU will be viewed as Forrest Gumps with desirable addresses that can run fast sometimes. I am speaking more about as institutions. To be clear, in this P2 consolidation one takes the invite when offered, but at least know what to expect. UNC has no real "better" in overall athletics/academics, a peer at the very top, yet it would never rise to the top of the B1G in power and influence. PSU's brand was a perfect B1G expansion as a football focused, uber-flagship, and it (and its fans0 still grumble about being 2nd class. Now consider 2 historical football lite blues that aren't even flagships with no legacy high academic reputation?
The SEC is only in the southeastern region of the country but had the highest conference viewership totals nationally last year across the country. Your statement would seem to defy that fact.
UVA is not the the football school in Virginia. That school is Virginia Tech. Sure Virginia Tech has had some down years, but overall it is much more of a football school than UVA.
What people seem to be forgetting is that academics play a big part of being a big 10 school, neither of these schools are up to par with other B1G members. Just football stats aren’t enough!
That was the move that initiated the response from the Big Ten. I'm not sure the Big Ten makes their moves if the SEC doesn't grab Texas and Oklahoma first. I guess if they did anything, the Big Ten would have tried to grab Texas and OU instead of some of these other schools.
As a Clemson fan, if I had the choice, I would go SEC, but by no means would I be disappointed with a move to the Big10. Ultimately, I want better games on Saturdays, and I would be happy at the academic opportunities that would come to my school by working more closely with some of the Big10 schools.
US News Natl Rankings: Ga Tech #5, Duke #22, NC State #25, Va Tech #30, UVa #37, Vandy #42, U of Fla #47, Auburn, U of Tenn #55 (tie),AL Huntsville,UCF,#73 (tie), Clemson, UNC #77 (tie)
@@PatCrow GATECH should be highly rated due to its relatively narrow mission and focus. It does a lot of research even without a med school. Nevertheless, in the context of realignment, the top liberal arts schools will have an advantage due to broader missions yet similar selectivity. Not sure how it works in other states, but the State of NC has enforced some mission differences between UNC and NCSTATE. For instance, UNC has been prohibited from creating some hard science-based programs outside of medical while NCSTATE has been prohibited from creating a med and/or law school. (I may have some details off.)
If FSU/Clemson to the B1G, I could see UNC/UVA/NCState maybe VT or Kansas to the SEC. If Clemson goes to the SEC (which I still lean on), FSU/Miami to B1G. UNC/UVA/Kansas/Clemson to SEC. The B12 will make out just fine. Louisville for sure, VaTech (most likely), maybe NCState, maybe even Miami (Until ND joins the B1G - I think Miami jumps again), maybe Pitt.
I'm rooting for the Big 12. If they make Miami a good offer, having the Hurricanes and Utah could be really good building blocks for the future of that conference.
@@BigTenTed Huh? The PAC scatter put the BIG12 further behind, and an ACC depletion will put the BIG12 even more further behind. That's flushing a spider while hoping it makes it.
Chalk is another way of saying "leader in the clubhouse" or the favorite. In this case it would mean the Big Ten is the favorite to land FSU and Clemson should they get out of the ACC.
Once two conferences basically have everybody in the nation, they are no longer "two conferences" really. It's just half the nation in one and half in another. Yeah I'm generalizing and exaggerating a bit, but my bigger point is valid....
Eff sake just leave the ACC and Big 12 alone, only lunatics want just two giant conferences, greed is going to kill college football. FYI I am a fan and alum of a top Big Ten team but enough is enough.
You’re waking up to the reality of adding brand teams/schools will solidify financially those teams/schools and the bigger power conference at large, but, there will be some cannibalism among them because inside a conference it’s a zero sum game - for every win there has to be a loss. However, expanding the playoffs counters that as now 2 and maybe a 3 loss team can make it into the playoff.
Growing up in the state of Florida and being a life long FSU fan, I am very excited about the BIG10 opportunity. Can you imagine playing Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Wisconsin in their home stadiums and then having them come to Doak? Look, the SEC and ESPN had their opportunity and chose BAMA over FSU for the college playoffs. We all know that was fraudulent at best.
FSU, CLEMSON,UNC, VIRGINIA, only after the ACC breaks then Stanford. Arizona State might try to join in swap out with Cal. Norte Dame remains #1 wildcard.
Looks like 24 is the grand number for the B1G.....With a future six school geographical region X four. Look at the east coast. Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland, + future FSU, and Clemson. They could add one more on the east like Miami and that group is locked in. In the West you have Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, + future Stanford and maybe Cal, Utah, or ASU. That would be another geographical region of six. Adding Stanford would obviously help brind ND, as well as Miami.
I think you are overestimating the financial boost the other schools would get by adding FSU and Clemson. The media partners aren't bidding against each other anymore, this is a "what can we get out of the media partner" situation. Why would Fox (and the others) sweeten the pot any more than it has to to get the other schools to take FSU and Clemson? As it is they'd have to pay between $80 and $160 million more per season (depending on whether FSU and Clemson get a half share or a full share each), and in just a couple of million per school boost and you are looking at another $35-40 million per year for the networks to pay out. And $2 million on $80 million is a 2.5% increase... it's not nothing, but it's not a financial windfall either.
The Big Ten should make play for the state of Texas. Bring in Texas A&M, Texas Tech and TCU. The Aggie would be a major add to the Big Ten by themselves. The Red Raiders are closer to Big Ten average as a brand but added to the Aggies the Big Ten would have an edge over the SEC in Texas. TCU would be a little below average for the Big Ten BUT having Big Ten football in the heart of DFW would cement the Big Ten as the dominant conference in the State of Texas. With the three Texas Schools, plus Florida State, Clemson and one other (North Carolina?) The Big Ten can brand themselves as the "National" Conference and relegate the SEC to a "Regional" Conference
The direction the SEC is moving is to be a behemoth of top teams that thinks it can throw its weight around. So, the B10 will need to be the 2nd Big Dog in CFB if they don't want to get overshadowed by that stuck-up conference. Adding FSU and Clemson would be a step in the right direction in terms of both viewership and revenue. Despite the down years that FSU had between 2015 and 2019, they still had a Top 15 ranking in terms of viewership. Last year, they were ranked 7th in terms of average weekly viewers. For their primetime matchup with LSU on Sunday night last year, ABC drew 9.1 million viewers marking the second-best Labor Day Sunday night game on record. Before FSU joined the ACC, it was Clemson and everybody else. When they became a member in 1992, they were well into their dynasty period from 1987 to 2000 of 14 10+ wins and 14 top 4 or 5 finishes in the AP and UPI (Coaches) polls. All the other ACC schools greatly benefitted from having FSU in it. The B10 is already a great conference but adding two blue bloods would only make it greater. LFG!
Just a quick question. Would B1G Presidents be willing to WAVE the AAU Certification required for entry? All 4 of the new PAC schools (USC, UCLA, WA and OR) are already AAU certified which was a no brainer. The only school that is NOT currently AAU certified is Nebraska. However, Nebraska WAS AAU certified when they entered the B1G but lost its certification after becoming a member. While I presume the AD's to fully support inviting FSU and Clemson, will the University Presidents, who ultimately make that decision, be willing AAU certification for these two school which would bring in additional money for the B1G?? 🤔
AAU is not a written requirement for Big Ten membership. Michigan State joined the Big Ten 15 years before they were admitted to AAU. The Big Ten has always prided itself on strong academics from expansion candidates. As I mentioned in the video, this move could signify a potential changing mindset of the Big Ten presidents with more money needed to support Rev share as well as maintaining athletic programs.
FSU is on the cusp of becoming AAU certified. Michigan State entered without AAU certification. FSU is exactly in the same position. If Nebraska stayed after dropping status then being a non AAU member should not be an issue.
@@kenmcbride1171 Yep, I just found out that AAU certification is NOT a written requirement by the B1G. Even if it was, something tells me that they would wave it anyway due to the amount of money coming in.
I maintain that the B1G has increasingly pressing demo concerns that will result in making exceptions for expansion that it wouldn't have in the past. Nevertheless, imagine an SAT test. Since the B1G settled in at its core 10, it has added the following new members: PSU (AAU uber-flagship) NEB (de jure AAU flagship) RUT/UMD (AAU flagships) USC (AAU Tier 1 private school) UCLA (AAU co-flagship) WASH (AAU flagship) ORE (de jure AAU flagship) Which of the following fit this pattern and why? ND (de jure AAU Tier 1 private) UVA (AAU flagship) UNC (AAU flagship) DUKE (AAU Tier 2 private) CLEMSON (non-AAU #2) GATECH (AAU #2) FSU (non-AAU #2) MIAMI (de jure AAU Tier 2 private)
More than 16 teams in a conference is not good. Plus the BIG has teams like Rutgers, Maryland, Indy, Illinois, NW, and Purdue that will never ever earn a BIG title. I doubt Minnesota or Wisky will ever earn a BIG title either. Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State meh. That’s the problem with the BIG. Too many meh teams. So yeah, Clemson and FSU would be good for the BIG.
Ben are you aware that TWO VENTURE CAPITAL companies are already looking at FSU football too. Big 10 would have to EXPAND the growing SOFTBALL world that both FSU and Clemson have shown to be.
FSU is ranked as the twentieth public institution in America... they are highly ranked.... and it is difficult to be a Florida H.S. graduate to gain admittance to FSU.
The Minnesotas and the Purdues will have to be content with their role in absorbing losses and collecting paychecks. The fact is that the league, any league, needs tomato cans to line up for the heavyweigts to build good resumes to get into the playoffs. Too much parity undermines that goal.
In fact, I think this proves to be a plus for the B1G vis-a-vis the SEC. The SEC is stronger in the middle and has fewer truly pathetic programs. Vandy and, often but not always USCe, Miss St and that's about it. Arky too. Even Miss St, Arky and USCe are passionate and sometimes have decent to good teams. There is a large pool of teams in the middle that rise and fall but are often tough outs and some years in or near elite level: UT, UF, aTm, OU (now), Aub, OleMiss, Ky, Mizzou. Only Bama, UGA, LSU and Tx are pretty much perennial elite level. B1G would have equal or better representation at the elite level with Ohio St, Mich, USC, Oregon, FSU, Clemson (hypothetically) and Wash/Penn St hanging close. Their pool of almost always bad is bigger: Minn, Ill, Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, Md. The in-between pool is smaller than SEC: Mich St, Iowa, Wisc, Neb, UCLA With this composition, I think that B1G has more teams at or near the top because they have more teams at the bottom to absorb losses and fewer in the middle to steal wins from the top. That sells
Now this is just my opinion so I don't want to hear anything about it i am tired of all this expandtion these schools are being greedy i am 56 old school it's too many teams in a conference stop being greedy now it's just my opinion.
Net net. Duke is the only school I care about. If out of all of this they don't have a path forward I can give up sports and not watch and support anything. I'll stop supporting it entirely. The changes and current landscape as it is, only makes it more difficult to be a fan. There's only so much money to go around before things come crashing down, and I am rooting for that day.
I'm a Northwestern alumnus and losing the west removes our chance to go to Indy and lose to Ohio State. That being said if we can't go back to 1993 B1G with 10 teams I have no problem grabbing the best teams, maximizing revenue, and fighting for a playoff spot. If we have a season like 2012, 2015, 2017, 2018, or 2020 we will get a chance to fight for a playoff spot regardless of which bluebloods are in the conference.
@@encycl07pedia- I graduated in 1993 so for the 1993 season yes PSU played football, but at the start of 1993 no so it is the Obi-Wan "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view". Before that 1950 was last addition and even my 80+ year old seat neighbor barely remembers that.
Before last year, FSU was 34-34 in the ACC after Jameis Winston left. Clemson is slightly down the last few years will they get back to a power. Dabo Sweeney pretty much ignores NIL and the portal. In Florida, Miami is where the elite speed is at. Miami with another 40M year in revenue could make it back to the top. Notre Dame is the biggest name out there. UNC is the next biggest name/brand out there. This is a football decision. If I were to look at everything this would be my top 6. Notre Dame, UNC, Virginia, Miami, FSU and Clemson.
Big 10 need to take a chance on the 15 winning football team in the NCAA that would be WV. We have A Cancer Research Center and a Hospital second to nobodys.
Let's be frank... WVU barely made the P5 cut and only when the BIG12 was forced to add dilutive backfill. Low bubble team (at best) for the consolidated P2.
@@tarheel7406 For a low level league the Big East was a power league. I didn't see your Might Tar heels win no football bowl bcs game or being invited to one. So get off my team.
@@Christopher-s2r The old BIGEAST was a peer major conference before the consolidation down to the P5. Not all members of the old BIGEAST (and SWC) made the P5 cut. Not all members of the P5 will make the P2 cut. Again.... I was being a bit kind when I wrote that WVU barely made the P5 cut and only when the BIG12 was forced to add dilutive backfill. In reality, WVU didn't make the cut if one looked at the starting baseline membership for each P5. For the BIG12, it would be the membership at founding.
Yep give me the biggest schools with the biggest pack stadiums. Other than Stanford helping to tip the scales for ND not a football power, no fans, and supposedly they don’t share their research with other schools should they ever get a full share? Thanks
I think ND will go to the SEC or the Big 12. If they wanted to ever be in the BIG they would have done it already. ND has given the BIG the middle finger to many times and the best middle finger is 2 middle fingers. One from ND and one from the SEC. Think about it. Why would the SEC say thanks but no thanks to 2 top 15 programs? The SEC has been talking to a team that's worth as much if not more money than both FSU and Clemson and that team is ND.
@@tarheel7406 I don't think you understand the kind of revenue ND generates. The SEC will need a very large revenue generating team to compete with the BIG and ESPN cant afford to take on decent revenue teams like FSU or Clemson. FSU and Clemson only get really good ratings when they are contenders. ND get bs good ratings regardless simply because the fan base and Alumni are so huge. Neither FSU or Clemson come even remotely close.
@@BNSF39 a) I don't think you understand the value that the SEC's geo-centric brand brings. b) The SEC is already competing with the B1G in revenue. c) ESPN can afford an increase in synergistic value. d) FSU has high brand inertia, CLEMSON doesn't.
