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Yeah well, They kinda got lost there for a while I think, they were still good songwriters but that alternative rock/metal sound of some of their records I could have done without. I'm glad that they've returned to a more metal sound over the last couple of records. Cheers! 🤘
No Place For Disgrace is one of my all-time favourite albums. I don’t hear many people say that over the years. I think it’s a thrash metal classic personally.
This band deserves much more attention than it gets, so THANKS for this video! For me No Place...is their best album. And i would like to mention to everyone: GO TO SEE THEM LIVE, if you have the opportunity!.
I have a soft spot for Cuatro because I got that CD for free by accident through Columbia House and that's how I discovered the band! Double Zero and Secret Square are probably my favorite tracks.
i must admit i haven’t heard a lot of their middle discography, but the last few have all been really solid and doomsday for the deceiver is easily a top 20 thrash album of all time. such an underrated band 🤘🏽
My favorite album will always be High... Monster is my favorite song by them. I also lived in Phx AZ back then and got to visit their studio a few times when this album was being recorded. They played at the Mason Jar all the time back then. The parties at the garage/studios back in the late 90s where they practiced were awesome.
I thank you, mr Ruthless for introducing me ( i think it was your 1986- ten-best-ranking video) to D.f.t.D. album. It is fantastic! I think it is one of the best debut albums ever, maybe the best. You are right, it has no fillers. Every song is a killer!
Yeah, despite them going down that mainstream direction they never fully became a mainstream band but perserverance is important, they are perhaps more respected today than ever before. Cheers!
I wholeheartedly agree with your choices. Amazingly, their last three were very well produced and thrashing for recent productions. Most bands’ production these days are too flat and heavily down-tuned.
Interesting you mentioned Soundgarden during the Drift album, because Chris Cornell actually has writing credits on Cuatro. Anyway, my favorites from each of those albums, respectively, are Smoked Out and Wading Through the Darkness.
Doomsday for the Deceiver is a classic, the only album to feature Jason Newsted before he join Metallica. Also, No Place for Disgrace and When The Storm Comes Down are amazing as well
Killer video as always! You should do a video of the worst to best Agent Steel albums (and maybe show where Mad Locust Rising would fit between those?)
We're really close on this one! First saw F&J when they were to open for Celtic Frost in 1987 but CF canceled. I was immediately hooked. Saw them a year later and opened for King Diamond. Very memorable show.
Don't have a ranking as I don't own all of their albums, but just like alot of the bands in my collection, my first is usually my favorite. In F&J, for me it's Cuatro. I love the dynamics on it, blending brutal speed and heaviness with the softer, quirkier bits, also kinda cozying up to grunge with a co-write with Chris Cornell (interesting collaboration). Just a great album in my opinion.
1 - Doomsday for the Deceiver (1986) 2 - No Place for Disgrace (1988) 3 - Flotsam and Jetsam (2016) 4 - When the Storm Comes Down (1990) 5 - Cuatro (1992) 6 - The Cold (2010) 7 - The End of Chaos (2019) 8 - Blood in the Water (2021) 9 - High (1997) 10 - Dreams of Death (2005) 11 - Ugly Noise (2012) 11 - My God (2001) 12 - Unnatural Selection (1999) 13 - Drift (1995)
I have the albums "Cuatro" and "Drift". I got them in the 90's. They did have to take a slight detour, like many others, to survive the grunge onslaught. I looked into buying "No Place For Disgrace", but all I can seem to find is the re-recorded issue. I'll have to look harder to find those first three albums with their original recordings. Thanks for the video, Ruthless!
@@RuthlessMetalYT like most people, too lazy to type out any album title more than 3 words long But yeah, too many people overlooked that album. The production on the drums and bass wasn't perfect like NPFD, but the songs had better variety.
Never heard about this band, until they were mentioned alongside Carnivore in Peter Steele’s biography, a good band indeed. Found out about bands like Whiplash too and others because of that book
Har bara hört och ägt No Place For Disgrace, tyvärr hade jag den som pris i ett musik quizz 1992 som första pris. Andra pris var en kasstett med Enuff Z'nuff, hahaha. Trevlig och informativ video som vanligt! 🤘🥂
Very underrated band it sucks that people just know them mainly for Jason newstead and I think doomsday and the deceiver is Jason's best album he's played on
@@RuthlessMetalYT As is most other material from the 80s. I've actually listened to F&J's latest release, and modern millennium records are guilty pleasures of mine so there's usually stuff from today that I enjoy anyway, but man their latest album is definitely up there with some of the strongest in terms of new material of older bands.
@@franciskocher200 That album is solid. 🦅🇬🇧 I have to listen more of their stuff before I can choose. I am going to see them play live in july in Rock in the City festival in Oulu.
After Quattro, I lost interest, but the most recent couple of albums, THEY'RE BACK! I saw them back in 93 in Houston Texas USA and they kicked ass. Saw them again with James Rivera on vocals and he butchered every song.
I have to admit, I enjoy all of your videos and will now add Flotsam and Jetsam to my Spotify playlist. I am not all that familiar with them, but I know they are one of your favorite bands. The comment about the album "When the Storm Comes Down " about it sounding like "And Justice For All" except for the BASS was funny👍🤘
Nice video. Doomsday is great, but no place is my favorite, maybe because I heard it first. I saw them live in Boston when they were supporting High. Great show. I haven't heard most of their 90's stuff, but I thought High was ok. Erik AK is awesome and very underrated. I never knew they went back to their thrash sound. I'm going to check out those more recent albums. One thing though......I did not like that re-recording of No Place for Disgrace. I'm not sure what the point of that was. It was just slower and Erik didn't really hit and sustain the high notes. \m/
Yeah the nineties stuff had a lot of ups and downs, check out cuatro if you can handle some melody. Yeah, re-recordings should be banned because it always turn out sounding worse than the original. Cheers! 🤘🏻
Commenting as I'm watching, I'm VERY excited to check this video out. Flot is a band that has always been at the wrong place at the wrong time in terms of musical styles but they have a lot of absolutely incredible albums. Drift, to me, is the best groove metal album there is!
It seems they are always 1 trend behind. That is after the first three. They show up hear a cool new sound happening,record an lp of it then by the time they release it theres a new (nu) sound.
As much as I like their early albums and a couple of their most recent ones, I've never given the majority of their albums a listen for some reason. Also, keep up the good work my man! Cheers!
"Suffer the masses" will always remind me of those last few years spent going to high school way waaaaaaaaay back in the day, lol. Listening to that song gives me a nostalgic vibe every time, it was the end of a truly incredible era as the 80's were coming to a close. The main riff on that track was so fckn HEAVY and I absolutely loved it... couldn't get enough. You could make it even heavier with the right sound system, listening to that one on a car stereo really brought out the low-end without sacrificing the crisp tones on the other side of the spectrum. We've got different tastes when it comes to mixing falsetto with thrash though, it just doesn't seem to mesh that well for me. It definitely has its place, but I've never cared much for falsetto vocals on a thrash track. That style is best suited for the King himself in my humble opinion... King Diamond will always wear that crown in my mind. Great video brother, keep 'em coming! 🤘🏻☠️🤘🏻
Playing marbles with Yahweh . From the one of the song descriptions of the album When the Storm Comes Down. Even though I am not crazy about When the Storm Comes Down, it remains the only Flotsam and Jetsam that I have ever bought new. I remember that other than Annihilator it was the only album that I have ever seen where not only was a lyric sheet included, but also contained little sections above each song title that sort of gave a history and description to what inspired the songs. I have always had a hard time finding a copy of No Place for Disgrace. Friends would record it for me through the years. Even though overall I would consider both Doomsday For the Deceiver and When the Storm Comes Down to be Heavier than No Place For Disgrace in different ways. I think that NE Terror is definitely not only the Heaviest Flotsam and Jetsam song, but also among the Heaviest songs of all time . It's been years since I've heard When the Storm Comes Down maybe I should listen to it again, I just found a CD of Doomsday For the Deceiver at a Pawn shop last year, it was better than I remember it being. Love Eric AK's Halford style screams , but overall Doomsday is lacking a good mid tempo song. Most of the album is fast and faster
@@RuthlessMetalYT I like the debut a lot, I just don't quite enjoy it as much as No Place for Disgrace. I thought that Flotsam and Jetsam should have been huge on the strength of their first 2 albums. I just wish that they would have continued on the same musical path. Probably my all time favorite Thrash Metal band. I prefer NWOBHM style Traditional Metal, but Flotsam and Jetsam, and the Forbidden debut have enough of those elements to enjoy them as much as Axe Witch, Silver Mountain, Gotham City and Saxon. I also like Kreator, Sodom, early Slayer, Exodus and Dark Angel, but I just have to be in the mood for that style .
I saw this band live twice in 1999 at the Mason Jar in Phoenix AZ where I was living at the time. I listened to No Place For Disgrace 10 years prior when I was in the 8'th grade. I was really into the Cuatro album when I heard some of it on the Metal Shop radio show before it was even released.
1. Doomsday for the Deceiver 2. When the Storm Comes Down 3. No Place for Disgrace 4. The End of Chaos 5. Blood in the Water 6. Flotsam and Jetsam 7. Cuatro 8. High 9. Drift 10. My God 11. Dreams of Death 12. Ugly Noise 13. The Cold 14. Unnatural Selection
Even though I'm romantically more attached to When the Storm comes down (best thrashing sound !! for me) - Drift and The Cold. I agree with your ranking list. First three albums are ... masterpieces! Flot's 'till Death!
@@RuthlessMetalYT Indeed...this and the one after it drift are silimar. If you ask me I prefer this than Doomsday but that is just my taste. Shame it was not released on LP but only CD. A great record.
Even though I seen them live in 1985 in London and a few other times after that and loved their stuff I am ashamed to say that I don't own one album of them 😒
Hey Man, I really like your taste in thrash and I was wondering if you could make a Video about the best Thrash records released after 2000? Maybe a Top 20, or a Top 10 by the Oldschool Bands and a Top 10 by Bands of the new wave of thrash... I mean, there are not many "great" records that come to my mind, M-16 was pretty good, Power Trips "Nightmare Logic" is great and I liked "The Evolution of Chaos" by Heathen.... something along those lines. And another question, have you heard of Teutonic Thrashers "Pessimist" ? My friend is the guitarist there, good old War-themed teutonic thrash.. Check out the Song "Landsknecht"
@@RuthlessMetalYT yes, for me it is the same, but there have to be some decent albums in that endless amount of new thrash releases. Just like "The End of Chaos" on this list?
Wait,,,there were albums after DoomsDay For The Deceiver ??? :) Just a joke. Actually, the titles been on my mind lately. I did buy that though and dug it. Been ages since i heard it. Never paid attention later. Newkid was like the manager of that band from what i recall. Went thru the gauntlet with Metallica. No wonder his next project was called IR8. Now i'll watch the vid. Thanx in advance !
I only have one criticism of their When the storm comes down album, and that it the tappy sound of the snare drum, I’d love to hear the album with a more traditional tuned metal snare.
@@RuthlessMetalYT I was wondering, have you ever listened to an Album from Australian thrash band Allegiance, called D.E.S.T.I.T.U.T.I.O.N. Circa 1994. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this album.
1. When The Storm Comes Down - only pure thrsh album F&J 2. Doomsday for the Deceiver 3. No Place For Disgrace 4. The Cold 5. My God 6. Drift 7. Dreams of Death 8. Cuatro 9. Ugly Noise 10. Blood In The Water 11. Flotsam and jetsam 12. The End of Chaos 13. High 14. Unnatural Sekection
'High' is definitely my Fave. You ranked 'Unnatural Selection' as worst? Dude, that record is movin! But hey, no one is "right" on what is best and what is shit. Us old school (55yrs) metalheads appreciate the groove Pantera put in the thrash style of metal. Simply, because "thrash" was getting boring and it needed a some different ingredients added. In the 90s many 80s thrash bands were adding ingredients in just to stay in the mix and uggh...stay 'relevant'. Testament, for example, added what they always needed and went better than ever in the 90s but sold less records. Starting with '94 'Low' (Personally, still their best to date) and '97 'Demonic' is just pure brutality and '99 'The Gathering' which has a mix of Low and Demonic is, again, IMO...perfect, despite the decline in sales. F&J dropped the ball a few times but the groove style they incorporated in a few of the mid 90s records, fits them the best. They were just following the thrash movement of the time, with Dooomsday AND IS NOT their best. It wasn't even close to their "style". Like for example 'Show no Mercy' isn't even close to the same style as 'Reign in Blood' or that 'South of Heaven' or 'Seasons in the Abyss' is to 'Hell Awaits' but its still Slayer. I even love the Diabolus in Musica record(Alot of people don't) because it's just super heavy and intense with Araya belting vocals from the very depths of hell like never before. These lists are just YOUR OWN personal tastes. It doesn't mean shit to me, or anyone else but, YOU! Thanks for "informing" us on YOUR favorites anyway. Btw, I would bet dollars to donuts that NOT 1 person ENTIRELY agrees with ANY of your lists. You had fun(and time) which probably made you believe that you were the all seeing "worst to best" critic of metal! It's appreciated, at most! Siskel & Ebert were wrong 90% of the time on their movie choices and they had a long running 'critics' TV show! They also believed that their opinions were "GOSPEL" and 100% accurate, that they were the only 2 people that knew anything about good and bad movies but, its all for the ole entertainment purposes now isn't it? I can say this though....it IS appreciated, at most! Cheerz 🍻 🤘 "If its too loud, You're too old"
Unnatural Selection is more or less a groove metal album and I don't like that style at all. Thrash never got boring, groove is what was boring from the start. :) Cheers!
It's No Place for Disgrace all the way for me. Once in a while Doomsday For the Decever, I can get by just fine without the rest of their catalog. I sort of liked Prayer For the Masses until I found out how similar it was to Grunge band in fur colar vinyl coats Greasy haired wanna be Hippies known as Mary My Hope song Wild Man , Child Man
