FlutterFlow VS Bubble 2023 |App Builder 

Glad this is helpful! Yes start your journey with no code and keep me posted on your progress!

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Hey great question! Personally I would go with flutterflow for more native features

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Hey great question! Depends on the platform but there are communities that out full tutorials. For example Airdev with bubble

What platform are you trying to learn and do you have any coding experience or are currently starting from scratch?

@@docwilliams I’m an old school software engineer, windows app developer and I’m trying to do my first saas with Flutter or Bubble

@@AldrichCarrascohow is going? Made any progress? You chose Flutterflow or Bubble?

Great question! Yes they both do, depends on the functionality you need I would consider if you’re looking. For example FlutterFlow integrates with firebase, supabase, rowy.io etc

Glad to help! Great question- if you’re looking for a native app to submit to the google play store I would go with FlutterFlow. It is possible to submit a PWA app that bubble would be but you would need to have an app wrapper to get it into the store so I would just go with FlutterFlow. Hope that helps take care!

Depends on the exact functionality you're for you saas but yes I don't see this being possbile.

What type of project are you creating?

@@docwilliams a multivendor platform where the vendor has a direct communication to their own client

Great question! I would go with FlutrerFlow for this type of project

I would go with FlutterFlow

🤗 goad the videos are helpful! Thanks for finding the channel!

Great question! I would go with FlutterFlow

And Wix did the same thing with the pricing for Wix Studio which prompted me to leave because they put limits on the CMS and I was justifying not knowing code and trying to learn it to build on wix because the CMS was pretty much limitless but now I’m like I might as well build on a no-code platform. I’m also back and forth about the lock-in stuff because I’m honestly only expecting to be using this with my clients so it wouldn’t be thousands of users, maybe not even hundreds at a time. I think bubble’s change isn’t a huge deal to me, but I would also be building out a admin CRM for me to interact with my clients but I don’t think the work unit thing should be a problem. My bad for these paragraphs but I’m having a hard time trying to figure out which one to dive in and learn lol but to wrap up, at least initially, I don’t have paying customers paying into the app directly outside of the property management tool that won’t have a bunch of clients. Clients hire me as their agent but utilize my app for the transaction.

Hey no worries thanks for explaining and great questions. This really depends on if you want to focus on an app or web experience. If you want to go more mobile and app and worried about the locked in problem I would go with FlutterFlow. You’ll be able to export your code and scale for an app. If you’re going more web and exact flexibility I would consider flutterflow or weweb. We’ll doing more weweb breakdown videos in the future and if you want FF check out our beginner videos. Let me know if you have more questions take care!

@@docwilliams I think ima keep rocking with Bubble. Flutterflow seems more complicated when it comes to complex workflows and me not be super techy and already behind because I have to pivot from wix it’s easier to have a built in backend so I’m weWeb isn’t even a thought for that. Plus I gotta get back to my real estate business and I’ve already learned a little bit of bubble. lol and they’re dropping native apps! If the app happens to take off further I’ll pivot again and pay someone to build it out.

Thanks! You can create web and mobile apps but only flutterflow allows you to create native mobile apps. Bubble would need an app wrapper.

@@docwilliams Thanks for the reply! Which one offers the most amount of payment providers? I'm located in Europe.

Hey are you asking how does appsheet compare to the other two options? Or sre asking the benefits or use cases of using appsheet?

You’re going to need custom code to do something like that.

Depends on the exact functionality but I would prob look into FlutterFlow or bildr

Hi! What have you decided? Are you sticking to Bubble or moving?

hi! would be nice if you respond to josip :)

Remember FF don't have backend

Hey Ali! Great question. Out of the two options I would go with FlutterFlow for this type of saas. In general this seems like a better fit to customize a multi vendor marketplace like CS-Cart or Sharetribe. You can def do it with FlutterFlow but depends on skill level and time. Hope that helps take care!

I agree with that for sure

To get started I have a video for complete beginners here- ru-vid.comaG0mg7P1R60?feature=share If you're trying to create something specific please let me know!

@@docwilliams thanks!, actually im struggling with something, im trying to create an app in flutterflow, but without using firebase only the local app storage, but i dont know how to create dynamic elements, for example if a person decides to clic "Add" one element pops out, and if he clicks again another element pops out, i dont know how to do that using the local app storage. if you could help me with that i would be grateful.

Glad it was helpful. I would go with FlutterFlow for that type of project. Keep me posted on your progress. Take care!

Great question! I would use FlutterFlow or toddle.dev/

Great question! Yes you can! I would start by checking out this article- blog.flutterflow.io/live-tracking-google-maps-driver/

Hey great question! I would definitely consider using FlutterFlow for this project.

I would prob go with FlutterFlow but it depends who your ideal client is. Hope that helps take care!

Hey great question! Flutterflow will still take time to get used to workflow and terminology but you can handle it since you already know html and css. In fact it can help you if you want to do custom things for ff. Hope that helps!

Hey are you asking if FlutterFloe create a saas that allows users to create SaaS applications like Bubble? So saas that allows a scalable system to create saas and projects? If that’s the case, it would be better for bildr or craftar potentially

@@docwilliams Yes but web app based?

Hey great goal! I would use FF for the web app and mobile app that won’t be a problem. The web app would be a subdomain of your website- for example- app.mynewappidea.com The main site with the blog I agree just make it with Wordpress. Keep me posted if you have more questions

@@docwilliams Thank you for taking out the time to reply! Clears up most of the confusion😊 Just one more thing, can I host the blog on wordpress and then add a subdomain for the web app on bubble or do it on FF? Is that possible or do I have to implement some workaround?

Great question! I have an entire video coming out about this subject tomorrow! The simple answer is no but will be releasing the video tomorrow morning 👀

Hey man! Great question! I believe you should be able to. I would need to know more about the unique link but in general you’ll able to do this with a web app version for FF.

Hi, I've been trying to create software for a while now, but I just can't get past a certain point that is vital to the process. I've used OpenAI to try and help, and there are not any videos on the problem I am trying to solve. Could we chat about it and maybe you could help me? I live in the U.S. and thought I would just reach out since you've been working for 2 years on the website.

@@itsreallyme7219 Sure! what's your problem exactly? and what platform are you using?

@@itsreallyme7219 hey feel free to email at doc@brandfactoryinc.com If you want a full session I offer consulting here- bookme.name/brandfactoryinc/lite/supercharge-your-business-growth-with-a-strategy-call

@@CocoodlaRU-vid keeps deleting my comments, it’s there another way we could communicate?

Hey glad you’re hear! Depends on how custom you need it. For a full system but limited customization you could something like Book Like a Boss- www.booklikeaboss.com/?idev_id=1855 For more custom solutions could go with something like BuildFire or FlutterFlow. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions.

@@docwilliams wow, thanks for that. I appreciate the reply. I think Book like a Boss only allows one-to-one meetings, which I’ve found with most similar plugins, but what I’m after is managing group dance classes, so I think I’ll have to go custom to get exactly what I’m after. I’ve been thinking flutterflow, because I’d like it to have both a web app and an integrated ios/android app option, but it’s great to have someone second that opinion. Really appreciate it.

Depends but I’m really liking CS-Cart www.cs-cart.com/no-code-marketplace-builder Or Sharetribe Flex

More details coming soon!

If you’re thinking about mobile first and functionality for mobile apps I would go with FlutterFlow. Unless there is a specific functionality you’ll looking for but in general I would suggest FlutterFlow.

@@docwilliams thank you sir... I have already fallen in love with it

Sounds great! Yup find a platform that fits your needs. Love to hear it and keep me posted on your progress!

Great question! Technically yes, With bubble you can create an app wrapper but it will not have the same functionality as a native app.

@@docwilliams would you recommend flutterflow instead if I want to do a web app and mobile app to share the same data?

@@GabrielPierreStudios I would

Glad you stopped by and great questions! For Bubble Work Units videos I found bubble devs on twitter have been the best resources to understand to help with that. Marc Fletcher- twitter.com/MrMarcFletcher or Lee Launches twitter.com/LeeLaunches I might have them on a video to explain or maybe a livestream in the future...Thanks for the support and hope that helps!

No problem! Interesting 🧐 about the issue in China about FlutterFlow I haven’t heard that before.

Flutterflow and Firebase are google based, which is not accessible within China since 2008

I would check with the FF via twitter for the answer or verify different backend options in the flutterflow documentation here- docs.flutterflow.io/data-and-backend/firebase/firestore-database

Hey great question and glad to hear about your project. For what you’re looking to accomplish my suggestion might be to stick with bubble if it makes sense financially for you. For example have you validated your idea with paid customers? If not, I would stay with bubble because you have the speed advantage and have been building in the platform. I would be more concern about validation and pricing your services correctly to see how the market reacts. There are possible other options but I would like to hear where you currently are before suggesting alternatives.

​@@docwilliams Hey Doc, thanks for the reply. I did not validate my idea yet with real customers, I did market research and saw my competitors doing well from the page visits and getting on some news, it's a pretty new market and many of these companies don't really work enough to fine tune their API AI models so they produce somewhat less quality that what I am aiming for. Some of them are AdCreative AI, Steve AI, and Smartly IO. I don't really have that much savings which is the reason I wanted to explore different options that are robust and affordable. I remember wanting to learn full-stack coding but thankfully got introduced to no-code tools before that heavy time investment. Right now I explored some functions of Figma for design and Framer as well, if Framer had the same workflow/database and API connection features as Bubble I would've 100% gone for it. Looking forward to hearing from you. I love Bubble, but the UI design is really painful, I wanted to add a simple glass effect/background blur and saw 0 tutorials on it and had to figure out how to code it while other platforms have tons and tons of tutorials for small every thing. (I did hear some people suggesting changing my Bubble domain for the backend stuff and the landing page published with Framer for example but that seems inefficient. I also read about using multiple no-code tools each for a specific use such as Airtable, Zapier, Figma, and Workflow but I'm not sure if that work spread would be worth it)

For that type of project I would be looking at toddle (toddle.dev/) or bildr (www.bildr.com/) for that idea.

@@docwilliams i searched them up, but they also have vendor lock in like bubble...bubble is definitely more powerful..why use these 2?

@@dvine3488 ok so there’s a couple things to unpack. If you’re concerned with vendor lock in (which understandable) that limits your options for what you want to do with no code or low code. If vendor lockin is the main issue flutterflow would be your main option but that platform is not equipped to merely by a comp for discord or facebook unless you’re going for a specific feature and then we could talk about that. Toddle and bildr both have specific strength and can be more powerful than bubble depending in your goals. Bubble does win as an overall builder but this depends on your exact use case and proficiency with css, javascript etc. to increase functionality. So to explore this more you have to first answer- what level are coming at this point? What is your main problem? I.e vendor lock-in etc What is the one feature you need for your mvp right now?

@@docwilliams if I use bubble, can I export the database from bubble? If I can get a development team to build the front end and backend from scratch and have them transfer databases from bubble to the new created one? Not exporting the code, but the databases within the app?

@@dvine3488 in general yes you can use your choice of backends and you’ll need devs skilled in using xano, supabase etc. but yes it’s possible. Depends on how the database is designed and actions or association needed for the app but yes you can use a third party database.

That’s a shame! You’re going to hate this channel if you can’t stand that thumbnail 🤣 Bare with me or maybe this isn’t the right channel for you. Take care!