Fly Tying: Differences Between Saddle Hackle and Capes

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During this video, I also mention the previous video I made titled "Selecting Saddle Hackle" - • Fly Tying: Selecting S...
Selecting hackle in fly tying can be a difficult decision, and a question I get asked a lot is, "What's the difference between saddle hackle and capes?" During this video, I go over some main differences between these two dry fly hackles, and then give some recommendations for purchasing them, including colors:
Tier 1: Grizzly, light/dark dun (barred), and ginger (barred)
Tier 2: Brown/furnace, black, cream
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@Dr._Klopek Год назад

This is an outstanding overview of capes and saddles. Anyone just getting into tying needs to watch this

@red49cat 7 лет назад

Another great video and explanation of how to move forward in our fly tying experiences.

@TimCammisa 7 лет назад

Thanks for the kind words, Terry, and I'm glad you enjoyed this one. Tim

@craigphillips9809 Год назад

Great video Tim! I'm sure I'm not alone in my appreciation of your generosity with the incredible knowledge and experience you bring to the table. Much thanks!

@TimCammisa Год назад

You're welcome, Craig, and thanks so much for taking a moment to comment! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@robertbaker9619 2 года назад

Thanks for the hackle info. And all the other tying videos you do.

@FrederickHenryJr 8 лет назад

Best all-around fly-tying channel on youtube. Well done, Tim.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Frederick Henry Jr. Wow, Frederick, that is very kind of you to say! I really appreciate it, and glad that you enjoy the videos. Tim

@CWO4D 8 лет назад

Excellent video Tim!I too was not too clear about the two or its purposes...your explanation on the subject is one of the best in social media...keep up the great work you put in and share with all of us....

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+CWO4D Thanks, Denver; I'm glad you enjoyed it! Happy New Year! Tim

@christiecrumb 7 лет назад

great video. thanks for the advice Tim....

@TimCammisa 7 лет назад

Thanks, Paul!

@nicholasdavis2985 8 лет назад

Great video. Probably the most comprehensive and easiest to understand explanations regarding the differences. I'm into capes at the moment primarily because of the variety of sizes I get.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Nicholas Davis Thanks for the kind words, Nicholas; I really appreciate them, and glad to know this video will help others with hackle. Do you tie mainly trout flies? Tim

@nicholasdavis2985 8 лет назад

I tie mainly trout flies but also some bass flies.

@DJackson1882 8 лет назад

Tim, another great video. I have quite a few saddle and 100 packs, but I was tying for myself and doing some tying for project healing waters so a lot of flies of the same size. I am starting to get more capes - doing more tying for myself and friends so more patterns, different waters. As far as storage I have not used moth balls mostly ziplock bags, some plastic containers for bigger feathers and hides. Congrats on getting the Million mark!

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+David Jackson Thanks for taking a moment to comment, David, and it seems many use the 100 packs. They make sense, especially if tying a specific size. Capes definitely offer versatility, and there is a benefit if they're needed. Thanks for the comment regarding storage, too. I appreciate the kind words for my million views...crazy! Tim

@JamieoftheNorth 8 лет назад

Great video, this clearly answered everything I had wondered about the two. Thank you!

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Jamie Anderson Thanks, Jamie; glad to know I hit the major areas of both types of hackle! TC

@pastortlc1 8 лет назад

A fabulous explanation of capes and saddles and it spoke volumes to me personally. It is so obvious from the way you share that you are a teacher and I am certain a top notch teacher at that. For now I prefer capes because of the range of sizes on each cape. Thank again for another great video, I look forward to your next and Merry Christmas to you and yours!

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Terry Corder Thanks for such kind words, Terry, and I'm glad you were able to get some information from the video. I also appreciate your suggestion of capes due to the size range; thanks for taking a moment to pass that on for others to learn from. Again, I appreciate everything, and Merry Christmas to you! Tim

@almsmine8205 6 лет назад

Wonderful video. Thanks Tim.

@TimCammisa 6 лет назад

You're welcome, and glad you enjoyed it! Tim

@keithwalters6931 4 года назад

Thanks for this information on the difference between saddle hackle and the cape hackle a great video that's informative wether we're experienced tyer or just beginning keep up the good work

@TimCammisa 4 года назад

You're welcome, Keith, and I'm happy to have helped. I look forward to hearing from you on some of my other videos. Thanks! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@robertyetsko80 2 года назад

EXCELLENT VIDEO..VERY INFORMATIVE WITH DETAILED DESCRIPTION AND EXPLANATIONS THANK YOU TIM..PLEASE KEEP ON WITH THE VIDEOS

@TimCammisa 2 года назад

You're welcome, Robert, and thanks so much for the kind words! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@davidgregg8757 8 месяцев назад

Brilliant video, just what I was looking for. I wud only be tying size 14,16,18

@tomfisher3117 5 лет назад

Absolutely excellent video Tim. Right now, I have enough capes for my tying. I'm leaning more toward Saddles. I especially like not needing hackle pliers and the ease of working with saddles.

@TimCammisa 5 лет назад

It's such a tough decision, Tom, and I prefer saddles, too. Having some capes is always nice when you need a specific size that may be out of range on the saddles, but when push comes to shove, RIGHT NOW, I am leaning saddles! ;-) Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@rushzztop 8 лет назад

Another great educational video. Keep up the good work Tim. Hope to see you at the 2016 Sowbug Roundup in Mountain Home, AR.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Darryl Rogers Thanks, Darryl; very kind words, and I hope to get there! Tim

@dfrivers 3 года назад

I’ve been tying for many years and learned a lot from this video. I usually buy capes, then when I use up all the 14s, say, I buy a 100 pack of that size to fill in the gap.

@TimCammisa 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your method, and I truly appreciate the kind words...more so knowing you've been tying for many years! Thanks again and don't hesitate to send me an email with some of your other ideas: tcammisa@gmail.com Thanks! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@CommodoreMark 5 месяцев назад

Excellent video! Thank you!

@TimCammisa 5 месяцев назад

You're welcome, thanks for taking a moment to say that! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@marksleeper3752 4 года назад

great vid Tim

@TimCammisa 4 года назад

Thanks, Mark! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@kenb4685 Год назад

Gidday Tim. Great helpful info. Thanks.

@TimCammisa Год назад

You're welcome, Ken, thanks for the kind words! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@PRACERZ 6 лет назад

Fantastic vid, taught me a ton !

@TimCammisa 6 лет назад

Thanks, and glad to help! I hope you get some great hackle this season...and share it with me! ;-) Tim

@johnnylightning1491 Год назад

Just a suggestion for sharing hackle, if you're a dry fly tier, find someone who ties streamers, and share with each other based on feather size. I once bought a bunch (6 or 8) of capes for cheap because the owner had used all of the small feathers. I will use the longer feathers for streamers.

@TimCammisa Год назад

Great suggestion, Johhny, thanks so much for sharing! I hope all is well. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@redek00 8 лет назад

Great video Tim! New background too, mixing it up. Tight lines!

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Seth Fox Thanks, Seth, and glad you noticed the new background. We just moved, so I'm getting everything setup. Have a Merry Christmas! Tim

@mattworman2795 Год назад

Excellent!

@Nassangler 8 лет назад

Tim this is an absolutely outstanding video about a very important subject pertinent to anyone who ties dry flies. I have mainly capes and would suggest to beginning tiers that they consider buying half or quarter capes until they learn which flies they will be tying the most frequently. I agree grizzly is top choice, however my second would be Coachman Brown -- but I likely tie different flies than you as I live in western Canada where we have different hatches. However I must confess in recent years I have gone over to the dark side.......I now tie and fish mainly emergers rather than traditional dries and don't use hackle on them, instead I use hair snowshoe rabbit feet. My fly tying is in a constant flux and so who knows?? Maybe in a few years I will go back to hacked dries... Tim, I appreciate your videos very much and I envy new tiers who have access to the ton of information that you have provided on line. I wish you and your family a prosperous New Year and a great year of fishing for you.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Nassangler Thanks for such kind words, and great recommendations for others! Your thoughts are directly on point, and you bring some wisdom to the subject, for sure. Like you, I also use quite a few materials with my dry flies, though felt that this is an area needing some more concrete recommendations to those newer in fly tying. Again, thanks for such kind words, and I wish you the same in 2016! Tim

@kevinsheridan185 8 лет назад

love the video completely agree with your ideas I'm saddle at the moment but their is a need for the capes like the Wulff pattern.im teaching a man about fly tying and the need for saddle and capes. Being from Ireland we have a slightly differ colour range but still stay on the same Tier you discussed in your video but we just the dying process to a achieve our different colour range like sooty fiery browns golden olives clarets. I be shown my student this video

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Kevin Sheridan Very cool, especially that you're in Ireland and tying with some of the same shades! The colors you mention sound very cool, especially the olive claret. Do you have an example picture of that you can send to my email? Thanks either way! tcammisa@gmail.com Tim

@stephenmcnab6926 3 года назад

Fricken brilliant mate, love your style & your passion, keep trukin & teaching 👏👏☝️👌🎣

@TimCammisa 3 года назад

You got it, Stephen, and hope to hear from you on some of my other videos. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@seanmooney3907 6 лет назад

Hey Tim, I have a bunch of hackle. I mostly have capes.I have a couple of saddles in cream and furnace. Most of my grizzly colors are in capes. So I would say I prefer capes. I bought them from a gentleman who bought out a store and I must have a hundred different capes. I love them and I wouldn't trade them for the world. All of them are Whiting capes and the feathers are much longer than the cape you showed. I like them because I can tie in most sizes. All the best, Sean

@TimCammisa 6 лет назад

I'm with you, Sean, in that I prefer capes...for now! Ha ha, and there is so much quality hackle out there today. Hold onto it, as it sounds like incredible hackle. Thanks for commenting, and I hope all is well. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@robertbarr8001 2 года назад

Great video. Concise, methodical, comprehensive and nicely presented. Well done and many thanks.

@TimCammisa 2 года назад

You're welcome, Robert! Is there a type of hackle you prefer, saddle of capes? Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@robertbarr8001 2 года назад

@@TimCammisa I want to tie dry flies that actually float. So many bought ones give up the ghost too quickly and easily, and cheaper hackles, such a I have used up till now, have been no better. Thanks to your excellent video I now have just what I need with no further waste of time or money. I bought a pack of assorted Whiting cape hackles in sizes 16 - 20. Price per feather is high, but wastage is absolutely zero, and to say that, after the others, to work with them is a total joy would be a huge understatement - and they float far longer than what I've been used to. I'd need to be tying many, many times more flies to consider even half capes. The selection of colours is good in the packs, and you're guaranteed 3 sizes. I'll get a 12 - 16 pack next, and I think I'll have enough for my needs for a good, long time. Thanks again Tim. Pity I hadn't found you at the start of my quest.

@robertbarr8001 2 года назад

They weren't cape hackles, they were saddle hackles that I bought!

@btc624 8 лет назад

Really enjoy Tims videos, Being a beginner i really appreciate all the help i can get. Oh and hes from my area👍 Go Penn State!!!!!!!!!

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

Ha ha, I'm actually from western PA (unless that's where you're from), but I definitely enjoy fly fishing in the State College area. Thanks for the kind words! Tim

@btc624 8 лет назад

Portage Pa Tim

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

I was just in your area fishing this week! You'll have to shoot me an email and maybe we can get some fishing in... tcammisa@gmail.com

@flyfishingwithdylan5566 7 лет назад

Great video and I prefer saddles because it's so much easier to wrap the hackle on flies like the royal wulff

@TimCammisa 7 лет назад

Thanks for taking a moment to comment, Dylan! TC

@michaelandersen5453 8 лет назад

I'm like you Tim I use both and do not like to to tell how many. then there are the special capes that I look for like the Cree. For a while you could get one, then you could not find one any where, so of course I had to have one. It is I think one of the prettiest capes out there. This is a great vid. Of course if you tie saltwater, then you are into a whole different type of feather. again thanks for a nice vid.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Michael Andersen Great comments, Michael, and like you, I love cree hackle! It can be tough to find, and a tad pricey, hence why I don't discuss it much on my videos. I have been fortunate to find some grizzly and brown variants, which resemble cree, at a fraction of the price. Thanks again for the kind words, and I really appreciate you taking time to comment. Merry Christmas! Tim

@jrlejeune 8 лет назад

Capes! They are versatile and usually less expensive. They also contain spade and a few schlappen. If you're a production tyer or tie the same patterns and sizes again and again then I suggest a saddle. Thanks for the great video Tim!

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+John LeJeune Great suggestion, John, and I tend to agree with you when making recommendations! In terms of cost, it really depends based on certain factors (some of which I mentioned in the video), and I've seen certain companies price their capes higher, while others do the opposite. Regardless of that, are there certain colors you would recommend to a beginner buying his/her first few hackles? Thanks again for taking a moment to comment, and I really appreciate the kind words. Tim

@jrlejeune 8 лет назад

+Tim Cammisa My recommendations: As always, grizzly and brown (think Adams), white, black dun and ginger. Whiting starter packs with half capes or 100 packs are a good way to start off. If you are thinking a gold grade cape is your only option, my suggestions would repel you with a $500.00 price tag just for starter colors. Take heart, one need not be afraid of a Bronze or Pro Grade cape. Most of that grading is yield. Their sweet spot still covers the majority of fly sizes. Whiting has a great article at their site about this: www.whitingfarms.com/articles/grading.html. While the higher grades are "cost effective" most tyers will not achieve those numbers in a lifetime of tying for a single color. I feel the cost of entry is much better invested in versatile capes where you can buy a larger variety of colors and sizes for the price of a high yield saddle.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+John LeJeune Excellent, suggestions for colors and additional information regarding hackle. Thanks again, John!

@dazzyd1964 8 лет назад

Another great video Tim, I have lost count of the number of references to capes when a saddle is wanted, and novice tyers turning up to class with the wrong type of hackle for the patterns being tied:) Re your question about favoured hackles - the answer will depend on what is being tied - I have a passion for the Bergman wets, so Schlappen is my choice for throat hackle and (being in the UK) I will use Chevron Hackles for all my hackles because they understand what I want/need in both quality and barb length without breaking the bank! I do typically tell novices to avoid the mega-expensive genetics until they are clear that they actually need to spend upwards of £80 on just one cape/saddle... look at the more mid-priced hackles but don't go cheap with ebay "specials" and these can be poor value for money...

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Darrell Howard Excellent comments, Darrell, and your suggestions are excellent. I really like the notion of spending less at first, because some are just way too much money, especially for those unsure of which patterns they will be tying. Thanks again, and I hope you have a great Christmas season. Tim

@timmeyer8083 8 лет назад

+Tim Cammisa ....Tim, Are there saddles/capes with JUST schlappen? or if you order it does it come strung like maribou....i.e. they pick enough out of saddles/capes to sell as schlappen? Great instruction....best subscription i have and one that I always look forward to.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Tim Meyer Thanks for the kind words, Tim, and the question. To be honest, when I purchase schlappen, it comes in its own pack. I do have some saddles that I've purchased over the years that appear to be all schlappen, but you'd have to talk to someone who raises chickens to get a more accurate answer. I get most of my schlappen from Clearwater Hackle or Alsdorf Genetic Hackle. Thanks again, and Merry Christmas! Tim

@stryker2764 6 лет назад

As always a well done video! This answers what Ive always wondered in my 3 years of fly tying! Very well explained and some very good points and suggestions! Now I do have one question... What is a badger cape? I have a medium grizzly badger cape, that is ginger like color. Thanks Tim :)

@TimCammisa 6 лет назад

Thanks for the kind words, as always! This was a fun video to make, and I plan on doing another one this summer related to hackle. Badger is a color that's dark in the center (by the stem of each hackle) and lighter towards the tips. When wrapping it, the hackle represents the lighter legs and its inside "darkness" helps to represent a darker thorax of many insects. Thanks for checking, and I hope all is well! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@Thebazzman 4 года назад

Tim, so when you first look at your saddles and capes do you identify what range of hook they can be used for And any other designation such as coloration or type or level they are classified as?

@TimCammisa 4 года назад

Thanks for the questions, Brian, and in general, I do start with a range (or lack thereof) of sizes they can tie. Typically, capes will tie a greater range than saddles, thus when looking at the latter, I want to know if the size(s) of its feathers match the typical flies I'd tie with it. This is done in combination with the color, and I'm partial to grizzly that is dyed. Regarding the level each is marked, I factor that in, but do my own evaluation, too. Finally, there are times I come across a spectacular piece that I may not need...but it can be tough to pass up! I hope that helps, and shoot me an email with more questions: tcammisa@gmail.com Thanks again! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@jtahoe5672 8 лет назад

Tim, Another good shot at a complicated subject. I like both capes & saddles + your recommended colors for all the reasons you mentioned. One question for you that falls just outside the scope of your discussion: feather storage.A while ago I was on the phone with Mr. Collins of Collin's Hackle. We covered a lot of ground that day and one thing he was adamant about was sealed storage for feathers along with a chemical to kill off any bugs- present & future. As he put it, 'everyone has bugs.' In his opinion zip-lock bags didn't cut it, so "storage" means something like a Tupperware style container. As for the chemical end of it, he recommended Enoz (brand) blister pacs, but NOT the naptha-based chemicals.How do you store all those feathers you have and, over the years, have you ever lost materials to bugs?

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+J Tahoe Great comment, and I think material storage is something that gets overlooked a lot. I keep all of my hackle in Ziploc baggies, individually, and really place a lot of mothballs in the packaging and in the drawer where they are kept. The brand I use is the same Mr. Collins recommends. I would consider switching to a plastic container, but have yet to have any issues over the years (knock on wood!). I also know many like cedar boxes for storage, but I believe the mothballs do a great job. My only issue is that they are extremely dangerous, especially to small children, thus I am really examining my storage area to ensure that everything is safe. Thanks again for the great comments, and I'd love to hear your thoughts. How are you currently storing everything? Merry Christmas! Tim

@jtahoe5672 8 лет назад

+Tim Cammisa To be honest, I haven't done a darn thing- yet. I am in a dry, alpine climate so bugs are less a problem than say, in the southeast or anywhere there's more humidity. Nevertheless we do have moths and probably other micro-critters I'm not even aware of. I'll likely do what you are doing because the Tupperware approach will take a lot of space and then you have to apply the chemicals in each container. For starters I'll probably do zips and put the moth balls in the drawers. Your point about children and pets is an issue too.

@russelllieser4226 5 лет назад

Is one brand better then another? Or does it depend on use? Great video. Thank you for you time in making videos.

@TimCammisa 5 лет назад

Russell, it really depends what you're looking to tie. For brands, the "better" can be defined as more fibers, longer feathers, stems that won't roll, etc. There are brands that I prefer to use, and they include Ewing, Collins, Alsdorf Genetic, and Whiting. That can always change, but they are my "go-to's" as of now. Thanks, and I hope all is well! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@itsunicornsandkaylahrainbo7118 7 лет назад

sir what kind material would u pick to use for tying say streamers like the leftys deceiver using size hooks in the 1/0 range down to size 6 range i have never been sure as far as the right feathers i fish for bass here we have trout streams here in n.c. but very long ways off from where i live we have plenty rivers with plenty bass panfish i thank u for any advice

@TimCammisa 7 лет назад

James, thanks for the comments and I hope I can help. For those styles of streamers, I tend to use saddle hackle (grizzly) that is designated for "saltwater." I prefer the grizzly look, and the saddle fibers are longer lengths. When purchasing, don' hesitate to email me a link to the product, or you can even contact the selling company to see if it's a type they would recommend for those flies. Good luck, and my email is: tcammisa@gmail.com Tim

@BH-gm9dm 6 лет назад

Great Video! On the Number Grading scale, is Grade 1 better than Grade 2 or is it vise-versa (2 being better grade than 1)?

@TimCammisa 6 лет назад

Thanks, BH, and in fly tying, there are rarely instances in which one system applies the same to all. HOWEVER, with hackle, in nearly every case, a #1 is considered the "better" hackle of the two. Depending on the provider, the hackle may be have the same qualities, but there may be more feathers. Thanks for checking, and if you ever have questions, be sure to let me know. If you'd like to signup for my email list shoot me an email: tcammisa@gmail.com Thanks again! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@srcesq 4 года назад

thanks for simplifying a confusing topic

@TimCammisa 4 года назад

You're welcome, Scott, and I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@caniaccharlie 8 лет назад

I just got a large variety pack from Bill Skilton on eBay, did you mention him one time? Anyways, I've never tied any dries, so I figured the pack would be a good way to test the waters, pun intended. For $15 snipped I got 55+ nice feathers mostly looks like sizes 12 to 16, probably some 18s to and in most of the main colors! Oh and can't forget the order of Allen Fly Fishing hooks that also came today! Hard to beat three packs of what appear to be very nice hooks for $10 to my door!

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Charlie Wilson Everything sounds great, Charlie...now get tying! ;-) Let me know how you like that hackle, as I don't know about Bill Skilton...but maybe I should. Tim

@delawareontheflylife5500 5 лет назад

i have been really struggling with my elk hair caddis when i wrap the hackle it doesnt stand up straight so when i wind the fine wire through it traps most of the fibres and it looks like crap

@TimCammisa 5 лет назад

That can be very frustrating, try this: When winding the wire through, wiggle it left and right with each wrap. That movement will help spread it through the hackle, and trap less fibers. Lmk if that works for you, and good luck! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@michaellewis9433 5 лет назад

dryflyexpert.blogspot.com/2012/03/iron-blue-dun.html?m=1 take a look at that link, his other step by step are good too.

@johnkendall6962 5 лет назад

I have a question How do you determine what size hackle to use with the different size hooks. Where I live it seems most dry flies are in a range from size 14 to 20 .

@TimCammisa 5 лет назад

There's a couple ways, John, so let's see if this helps. Typically for Catskill-style flies, the hackle length should be about 1.5 times the hook gap (opening between hook shank and point). Parachute flies require slightly longer hackle so they don't tip over. I measure by selecting a hackle, then placing it around the hook shank to check its approximate length. Another easy method is to purchase a hackle gauge, which will allow you to check. Some of them are for standard flies, whereas others (www.amazon.com/Tiemco-Umpqua-Tying-Hackle-Gauge/dp/B005R42K20) measure both Catskill patterns and parachutes. The one I linked to is a pricey one, being that a standard gauge costs around $5. Thanks for checking and I hope that helps. Feel free to shoot me an email (tcammisa@gmail.com) and I'll add you to my email updates for more tips; thanks! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@johnkendall6962 5 лет назад

@@TimCammisa Thank you so much for your answer. I used to do some fly fishing years ago but always used flies my cousin tied, or bought them. I recently retired so I have a lot more time to fish. I'm new to tying my own flies but have already caught some nice trout on flies I tied myself.

@stuartjones7903 4 года назад

What measurement do you take on a hook that matches what size of feather you choose,i.e do you measure the shank or the total length etc and when this measurement is taken would I be correct in assuming that it should match the length of the barb on the saddle or cape thanks in advance anybody

@TimCammisa 4 года назад

Hi Stuart, and thanks for posing the question. I'm guessing you're asking in regards to a dry fly, tied either Catskill-style or parachute, so let's go in that direction. A very general "rule" is that the barbule lengths should be approximately 1 1/2 times the hook gap (distance between shank and point). Like with many rules, this is flexible, as many tiers also increase that slightly for parachute flies. I hope that helps, and if you have more questions, don't hesitate to contact me: tcammisa@gmail.com Thanks! Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@stuartjones7903 4 года назад

@@TimCammisa Thankyou Tim I didnt know you had answered so I asked again

@Jak-mk9rm 8 лет назад

saddle hackle grizzly and brown it is what I prefer

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Jack Johansson Thanks for taking a moment to comment, Jack, and great choices! TC

@Jak-mk9rm 8 лет назад

+Tim Cammisa thanks Tim you doing very nice tying tutorials and awesome flies keep up the good work man

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Jack Johansson Thanks, and Merry Christmas, Jack!

@Jak-mk9rm 8 лет назад

+Tim Cammisa marry christmas

@jimmyanderson2144 Год назад

I like the 100 size cause i only

@TimCammisa Год назад

Jimmy, it's a good size because that pack provides more than enough for most tying. Appreciate the comment and hope to hear more from you on my other videos. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@ronwilliams8500 8 лет назад

I prefer 100's packs. reason being you have the size you need for the pattern you are tying. more for your buck. my choice is whiting hackle.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Ron Williams Thanks for the recommendations, Ron. TC

@flytyer2368 8 лет назад

Tim: you neglected to talk about one of the most important aspects of capes, the Spade hackle for tailing. Also, you didn't discuss the fact that the feather barbs on a neck are finer and stiffer than those found on a saddle. Saddle feather barbs tend to be much thicker and in a lot of cases so thick that smaller flies are impossible to tie, especially at the lower graded specimens. Saddles are great for production tying because of the number of flies you can derive from a single feather, as you discussed. However, if you are serious about your dry fly tying and spinning up a really nice looking dry fly, a neck is the way to go. Lastly, when you held up the neck to essentially show where the section comes from on the bird, you held it to the front of your neck. The section actually comes from the rear of the bird's neck, directly above the saddle.

@TimCammisa 8 лет назад

+Mark Patenaude Thanks for adding to the conversation, Mark, and you provided some great information to further help others. I appreciate the points you made, and also want to direct everyone to a website that will do a much better job than either of us to show the location of hackle: www.backyardchickens.com/t/267048/can-someone-help-me-understand-hackle-feathers-and-saddle-feathers Thanks again for taking a moment to comment, and I hope all is well. Tim

@robertbright465 6 лет назад

Mark Patenaude can anyone tell me how much are hackles feathers per pack of 10

@stuartjones7903 4 года назад

Its at a stage now ( or maybe its always been at this stage )where the actual tying of a fly and the various capes, neck, hen, cock etc. that have been used is more important than what the actual fly is used for, and that is catching fish. The art of fly tying has morphed. into a completely separate entity and past time thats got nothing to do with catching fish

@TimCammisa 4 года назад

Hi Stuart, and very insightful observation. I know of many tiers who don't fly fish, and also many fly fishers who have never tied. When examining tiers, there is a complete range who are involved in the process for reasons related to art, producing insects for movies in Hollywood, designer items, display purposes, and (most importantly, in my mind) catching fish! That's the beauty of fly tying and fly fishing, and there are so many paths that can take us to our desired destination. Those moving in other directions absolutely bring incredible information to the table, and I am amazed by so many tiers (even those who don't fish!). Thanks again for this comment, and I hope you're safe and healthy. Tim www.troutandfeather.com

@stuartjones7903 4 года назад

@@TimCammisa Many thanks Tim for the reply and I have asked a question about the measurement of any particular saddle feather as suited to the size of the hook ,where does the match occur,is it the length of the shank must be the same as the length of the barb ?? also what is a Cree feather,is it a particular colour or a particular bird as the research I have done online is a little confusing ,as yes you also hope your constant Sundays are not too relaxed