Flydigi Apex 4, the KING of controllers. 

Wow thanks for this descriptive comment! I didn’t know the Vader 3 was this close in feature! I’ll try to see that I get a Vader 4 for review if/when it releases. Cheers!

Just to make sure, I edited the video but it might not be up yet. They are Hall effect, I misunderstood a comparison chart. The video should be adjusted shortly and I have a PSA pinned comment. Cheers and thanks!

Thanks for the sub, and the kind words! More importantly, thank you for being part of this journey! :)

Yeah it's a beast that one, enjoy and my best advice for the days to come, dare to customize it to your taste, especially by using profiles to match certain features to activate and de-activate. As long as you have that "quick profile change" feature activated, it's crazy just how granular it can get to maximize your gaming experience! Cheers! :)

Yeah, I was told this has been selling like hotcakes. Well, good things come to those who wait and rest assured, this controller is all good and great, no less!

and you have it now_

mine comes in this week i’m excited

@@devanloll How is it?

@@MudyMax very good so far, put it on 0 deadzone on COD and no stick drift, i charged it the first day and have been using it wireless for 3 days now it’s not dead yet

Right, I unfortunately didn't get it to work myself on the one game I tested (Dying Light 2), I will try it again mind you. It's not as seamless but I don't hold it against Flydigi, I totally get why that is. I find it impressive that they even have that feature to begin with. Mind if I ask you what games have you tested it on? And would you say it works as great as the native Dualsense stuff? Cheers

Thank you greatly!

It is an awesome PC controller, I think you will greatly like it! Thanks for engaging with me :)

Preach! 🙌 This controller is so feature packed, very little is missing, if at all. Cheers!

😂😂😂 I may never watch "Up" the same again!

It's very good. The best in fact because you have a mix of both deadzone adjustments but also resistance tweaking that is hardware based, all that on hall-sensing tech. This way you can have a very "loose" stick on the left because it's basic movements, but have a much stiffer stick on the right with lower deadzones specifically for precise camera movements. As it stands, there is no better option in terms of customization for PC. That includes the super elite controllers from first party and licensed third party solutions. Last, the Apex 4 does more than those for half the price. It's a no brainer if you want the pinnacle of customization elite style controller.

Maybe a shorts ought to do it? As for how to bunny hop, I don't play COD so I wouldn't have a single idea where to start sorry but that video? That's a good idea actually. Thanks for the sub, stay tuned!

@@GameTechTalk Bunny hop would be spamming the "A" button as fast as you can. Once I see the basics I could fine-tune it. LOL, I just need a starting point to work off of =)

@@riosecco4142 That brings me back to good old CS days (I'm old). It might be achievable because you can adjust timings between inputs on the software. I'll pay attention to it. Thanks again for the suggestion!

@@GameTechTalk Haha, me too. 57 here. Tech is tough when you didn't grow up with it. Hence, the needing a starting point, lol. Once I see how it is done I can figure the rest out. I just need a little help getting started =)

@@riosecco4142 I gotchu @riosecco4142, in fact, I'm even more motivated now to get this done. To not forget, I have added it to my production timeline and I'll respond back to this when it's done. I'll need a bit of patience but... I GOTCHU! Cheers and good day to you 😁

Thank you for the kind words and I’m with you on the Apex 4, it is amazing!

@@GameTechTalk your most welcome 🙏

do you know if I can enable trigger vibration for all games, like the xbox controllers have, or do the triggers only vibrate for games compatible with adaptive trigger?

@@Henrique-wv9xq Neither or. The behavior of those triggers are on a different "haptic data" than the ones on the Xbox controller and while the technology is the same as Dualsense, they don't have access to Sony's proprietary "haptic data". So in other words, you need to set it up yourself or use some of the community based adaptive trigger integrations. Maybe there is a software out there to utilise them to tap into the Dualsense haptic feedback from Sony's but if there is, I'm not aware of such a software's existence. Also, keep in mind the rumble of the controller itself is rotary motors, not "HD rumble" like what the actual dualsense has. Edit: That's why this controller will give you an amazing experience, as long as you customize it to your liking, it's kind of a necessity but if you do? It's amazing!

The multifonction remapping which effectively is macro let's you record up to 64 inputs and between each input, you can set/adjust the timing and it will also be recorded when you set it. That feature also works with keyboard, not just the controller itself. As for sticks movement, it does but it is not the entire 360 degrees, it locks to 8-directions, which I have never seen a macro tool do any better to be honest so I wouldn't take anything away from the Apex 4, that's industry standard pretty much. If you have anymore questions, don't hesitate! :)

@@GameTechTalk I understand there is a macro function on the remapping tab but I’m asking what the “multifunction” tab under that is for? There is 4 options: remap, turbo, macro, and multifunction. Also if I choose to pick up on the left joystick while creating a macro will it actually know how much deflection I put on my still while recording? Or is it just 100 percent deflection based on the amount of time I set it for?

​@@MrDoordude125​I just re-read myself and clearly I was having a "brain checked-out" moment when I responded 😅, my bad! So multifunction is actually to map mouse keys to your buttons, just that. And also, for macros, you can't macro your keyboard keys, not can, again my bad. But you can map buttons and make commands by hitting multiple keys like say Alt+Tab. Cheers!

@@GameTechTalk thanks that answered one question. But the second question about the macro recording exactly joystick deflections ? Like can you choose how much deflection in the upward direction? Or is it just 100 percent deflection based on a length of time you can pick ?

@@MrDoordude125 It's 0 to 100%, no in-between. Basically, think that while yeah, it'll register the sticks, it will translate the readings to something more akin to d-pad push (though it will register as the sticks). It'd be great to have something so granular built-in in software but I don't recall having seen that outside of complex AutoHotkey scripts or an old school software called xPadder (if I recall). Cheers!

It does not do either of them. Most controllers that work for PC are on the older protocol of Microsoft's X-Input and I may be wrong but I don't believe that "non-licensed" controllers have "hacked" into the One/Series layer which adds the rumble mapping for triggers. That's why, as far as I know, any controller that actually have triggers vibrating are either Microsoft's or officially licensed Microsoft's alternatives (that supports that feature). It's basically the same situation with the Dualsense controller. The Apex uses "spoofing" methods which rely on Xbox 360 protocol, but they also have Nintendo's Switch Pro protocol. So by not having Dualsense's proper protocol, they do not have adaptive trigger mapping, but the controller does have the technology, you just have to set it yourself. It's a cool feature but the compatibility in-games is greatly reduced and also community based solutions. If trigger rumble is important for you, I'd recommend looking into Gamesir's G7se or Kaleid for Xbox or Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra for Xbox. Cheers!

I hardly play on my Series X and so, an Xbox controller is not something I necessarily need but if I was a controller player on FPSes, I'd see the value in the Stealth Ultra, mainly due to the Superhuman hearing feature but also, that it has proper hair triggers. I'm more of a PC indie games kind of guy, that's why since reviewing it, my go-to by default is the Apex 4, I don't see that changing but who's to say what next controller will knock at my door. Saw a photo of the paddle replacements on Reddit, looks cool! I'd try it if I could get my hands on them but I don't think the controller necessarily needs them, at least for my own take on the ergonomics. Cheers!

Yeah I have my Elite 2 for Xbox but your review convinced me to order the Turtle Beach to try on Xbox. I was thinking the Apex would be my go to for PC and Switch. I'll wait to see your NYXI review but seriously considering trying the Apex

That's a great question and one for which I actually had to go test for. So safe to say it's on the PC where the software is installed only. When connecting over bluetooth, it gives you two options: native or mapping, and while mapping preserves some on-board memory settings, keyboard inputs do not carry over. Tested on iOS, on Android and on another PC. Cheers!

Apex 4 and Dualsense Edge poll about the same. When overclocked so does the regular Dualsense. As much as I will praise the Apex 4, I do question the legitimacy of the prioprietary app for benchmarking and in my opinion, the numbers there are inflated to look just a smidge better than the actual numbers. It doesn’t take much away if at all but to claim it is higher than Dualsense is putting very specific parameters to showcase that as being factual when it can also be very easily addressed.

@@GameTechTalk Hm okay, but what is your thoughts then on the fact that the latency on gamepadla is twice as high for the apex4 compared to the dual sense?

@@TriszSZN Basically that there are too many variables in play. While yes, you can take numbers as an overall indicator, you can’t fully consider them if they are not each tested following the exact same parameters. To be more technical, the numbers can only matter if every controllers are tested in the exact same environment, using the exact same methodology. While that set of numbers won’t necessarily represent the entire market, they at least will showcase the “variability factor”. With that said, I can tell you that the Apex 4 gave me ever so slightly less latency then the Dualsense Edge. Not enough to matter, not enough to say the Apex 4 is “better” even though the numbers technically are. Last, if you overclock past 1000hz, you also decrease latency, but you introduce way more jitter and misreads. So if you see Dualsense latency being 0.5ms or around (maybe even less), that’s basically an overclocked Dualsense that will suffer from other problems because of it. Singled out, any number can look good. I hope this helps, cheers!

I'm starting to wonder if they have a defective batch or something, someone mentioned something about not being able to change the gif like 2-3 days ago, first time these comments came in since the video's been out. Sorry you're going through this, glad you can return it!

There is no reason why it can’t be feasible, the amount of work required may differ but logically speaking on this one, you could probably just remove the faceplate and cut the metal rod. That would already be a good chunk to of weight shaved off but opening it and removing the motor would be of greater impact. There may be de-soldering involved, in fact, pretty certain it’ll be necessary.

@@GameTechTalk I’ll have to look when it turns up mine should be here within a week, I just cut the connection wires with siscossors last time

Let's gooooooo!!

I like how you're concerned about the price when Scuf owners brag about paying $200+ lol

Apex 4 and the extra you'll save from the Elite Series 2, get the paddle aftermarket solution for the Apex 4. Cheers!

Same

A quick google search: "flydigi software download" should get you there, I believe it's called Flydigi Space Station if I recall. Cheers!

That seems unusual. The .gif has an update firmware for it in the software, I would assume you already tried? Flydigi have an official discord, I'd recommend trying to see if you can get some support. The invite link is good for 24hrs: discord.gg/nkPMyDMG

I definitely am jealous right now. From what I understand, it was overly complicated to get it outside China, not impossible, but still not simple either. Well, enjoy because it is an amazing controller to begin with and the EVA version is SO PRETTY!!!!!! Congrats

Quite frankly, Sony got the PS5 market looked down extremely tight. There is little to no options on that front and the ones that do exist like HYPR and Scuf are quite costly.

@@GameTechTalk In every YT video about HYPR I see bad comments about the quality when they receive the controller or the bad customer service

@@nofacenocase160 Never bought Scuf or HYPR. I’m not a strong believer in that type of enterprise. I saw some pretty big names back HYPR, Bob Wulff comes to mind but yeah. Maybe one day, who knows.

Out of the three you named, Apex 4. With that said, people have recently been reporting sticks breaking when playing with them at max tightness. So use that feature with a bit of caution.

Apart from the options I've mentioned, is there anything else that might be better?

​@@alaa4208 I mean, it's also very relative to budget and if you're gonna play wired or not. I do have a video where I break down 20 controllers and my recommendations, I'd probably suggest watching that. Otherwise, X10 Mechanic is a very well rounded solution to see how you feel about "pro" features without having to pay the "pro" pricetag. It's also readily available and EasySMX have been very reliable overall. I'd start there and potentially move up, move down or stay there based off of how you feel with the X10. Cheers!

@@GameTechTalk thank you so much gonna watch that video right now

So Android is starting to see some vibration, depends what you play but it's not part of Android natively, since 12 if I recall. With that said, it's still not widely adopted. It's definitely good for phone, especially if you get the mount. For PS3, I don't think it's compatible unless you use a dongle that would spoof the controller. Maybe an 8BitDo dongle might work?

Thanks for the kind words! I mean not only is it the best controller, one could argue that it is the only one unless you can bend a Dualsense to your will. At this point, I don't know if we'll see more companies tackle this tech but even with Flydigi, I certainly wonder if they had to reverse engineer Sony's solution because it feels exactly like what the Dualsense feels like. Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked, the answer is yes, it definitely is and you are also getting the absolute best controller on the market right now. You simply can't go wrong.

@@GameTechTalk Dude! Great response! Thank you for your help. Anyway I can get you a kick back from the company as I'm buying it because of your video/ recommendation?

@@derfreshprince2281 Wow thank you! Whenever you are ready to buy, if you use the links on the videos, as they are affiliate, I'll get a small kickback. Cheers!

@@GameTechTalk perfect bro, worked like a charm! It just arrived. 3 days earlier than expected! Just had a quick question on adaptive triggers, I understand if the game is supported it will be on desktop app but what about the games that are not listed? Anyways way I can make that happen? I'm trying to play F1.

@@derfreshprince2281 I'm sorry to say I do not know. The fact that every custom description is in Chinese, I assume Flydigi have a closed knit group of fanbase developers that come up with their own and share it through the app? What I would recommend if you'd like to create your own "per game profile" is to start in their Discord, you might have some luck there! Here's an invite that should be good for 7 days, cheers! discord.gg/EprTdu9X

I did, all was fine. Now keep in mind, the trigger rumble that you get from the regular Xbox controller, I don't believe that works on the Apex 4. That's an Xbox specific feature. The technology that the Apex 4 has in the triggers is not the same. Also, the adaptive triggers do not work in conjunction to what happens in game, at least not by default, that's a feature that is community driven, some games are supported, many aren't. If you haven't downloaded the PC software, I strongly encourage that you do, it'll give you a better overall view of what's possible and what's not. Cheers!

Does it feel like a stock controller or one of those hollow feeling cheap ones?

Ohhhh I'm so jealous right nowwwww!!! Nice, it'll look glorious! And this controller will SHOCK you, you will have not expected this level of quality and reliability from a third party believe me. Such is the world that we live in, a lot of companies are going the extra length to create a brand that will last a lifetime and Flydigi may not have the marketing push that Gulikit did but I assure you, they are in every possible way just as badass and that controller can easily rival Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. It's that good.

@@GameTechTalk bet. Thanks again for a sense of direction when looking at new controllers

hehehe 😊

I definitely can get behind being able to repair my own stuff when it’s an option, I’ll forward this suggestion to Flydigi. Thanks!

You’re right, I just mentioned that the software lets you be more granular but I didn’t show examples of how granular that can be and how that can look like. Cheers

Honestly? Not really. You're not missing out with the Edge, arguably overclocking it is overkill too. The dev of the software said himself that going past 1000mhz is pointless and can introduce issues so he removed it in an updated software version. But yeah, the features you'd get from the Apex 4 over the Edge are not necessary enough to warrant the purchase. With that said, if you need say a stupidly powerful Switch controller, or a mobile phone controller? Yeah, bringing the Apex 4 into your life would also be a great solution. I go back and forth between Edge and Apex 4 for PC, only controllers that I keep next to it and if they were the same price, I wouldn't know which to pick cause I like rumble so much and the Edge just is better for that. For everything else? Apex 4, but not by a lot.

@@GameTechTalk Awesome advice, thank you for taking the time.

@@brandonmoore3875 Always my guy, it's my favorite part! ❤

Look up the Eva edition if you want to melt down. Maybe not your aesthetic vibe but dang is it ever so pretty!!

@@GameTechTalk it’s pretty!! Who doesn’t like mecha?

Daaammnnnn!! Whether that was intentional or not, there's definitely a compliment in there and I'll take it! I'm the latter, arguably the new "old" is much older than I am but I definitely do not qualify as young anymore, I was alive when the Super Nintendo was released and I'm old enough to remember it and the TV ads! So THANKS! 😂

No it does not. Those are all software-based corrections and on-the-fly adjustments built with self-learning modules. I don't think we've ever seen a controller have such a feature integrated in the controller itself but if it exists, I have yet to ever see or hear about such a product, outside of Cronus Max, XIM and the likes. Cheers

@@GameTechTalk thanks that’s good to know, now no risk of a ban for using it

Hey Timzy! Yeah it does have macro ability for back buttons, in fact, Flydigi's software allows you to fully customize every buttons on the controller. Cheers!

Nice collection you got there! To change the RGB, pick up the software for PC, you can make RGB changes there. Thanks for watching!

@@GameTechTalk now the controller doesnt power on any more do you have an idea?

@@cloudconnected7008 It does go on sleep mode even if on at times. I know it's very basic advice but I would suggest putting it off, plug it 30mins so that it charges a bit and try putting it back on. If that doesn't work I'd suggest reaching out to Flydigi, maybe you'd have to disconnect and reconnect the battery...

PC, Switch, Android and iOS. Xbox will not work unless it is used with one of those adapters to render external controllers useable on the console. And you're very welcome, happy to help! :)

Have you tried connecting it via MacBook? My Xbox controller works flawlessly on the Mac so I’m wondering if this is the same.. it’s either that or pay double for a scuf.

@@WarrenKirkpatrick Yup, it works perfectly fine on iOS, iPadOS and MacOS. Tested all three 😊

@@GameTechTalk you’re a legend. Thank you

Yup, I talk about it at 6:40 precisely. Thanks for pointing it out

​@@GameTechTalk oh my bad i was writing i didnt even pay attention, nice review

I can’t help you much but there are adapters sold to convert signal to allow non-compatible controllers to work. However, these products are often used to cheat so they can get you banned among other things and they can also get patched out by Sony as they are not officially licensed. Otherwise, this controller is not compatible with PS5 by default.

@GameTechTalk thank you for reply. Sad I want a hall effect controller worth adjustable stick tension

Totally, I haven't played much fighting games lately but this can do just as great if not better due to it's mechanical buttons, phenomenal polling rate and latency but we're talking milliseconds in terms of advantage.

​@@GameTechTalk you're totally Right, and in the highest level of competition, milliseconds can be the difference between winning or losing. Btw, can you input records(macros) like the KK3 max?

@hackeropolus You can and dare I say, it does a far better job than the KK3 Max for macro'ing. Up to 64 inputs, timing addressable and can be mapped to paddles (or buttons too I believe) all that managed through software... It literally is night and day just how better that it is!

@@GameTechTalk thanks for the answer, I'll give it a try then

@@GameTechTalk so, i got my apex 4 controller, and i can't do the macro thing, i would like to know if you're able to do it, because the option is there in the menu, it's just like it's unavailable. thanks in advance man

That's actually a brilliant idea, let's hope they implement it.

It is Ender Magnolia, which is a sequel title (in series, not story) to Ender Lilies. It's currently in early access set to go 1.0 some time late this year or early next year if I recall. Great game, about 1h30m to 2h worth of content for the time being. I'd suggest picking up Ender of Lillies, it's a phenomenal title!

@@GameTechTalk thanks for answering

Yeeeahhh! I've seen some Digifly with 2 rows of 3 buttons, kind of like the old SEGA ones. I didn't realize that was C and Z, that's cool! I'll have to try one one of those days. Cheers!

Try AliExpress, they do sell out from time to time, it's a very popular product but as long as you keep your eyes peeled, you'll find it quickly enough!

Most definitely. But it doesn't work natively on Series console so there's that to keep in mind.

Actually they also have an Evangelion Eva limited edition that is absolutely gorgeous!

It's nice that there is a solution shipping to Canada to buy it, but that price is thicc!! So pretty that Eva though... Thanks for showing me this website!

I knooowwww!! It's so good looking, I want one 😭

@@GameTechTalk 😂 yes i got one from Minixpc . Could have got it cheaper from 2 other sites but the communication with this firm was great.

Yup, this controller has become my benchmark for every other ones since using it

Oh, I release myself of any responsabilities! 😅 All kidding aside of course, I'm glad you see value in my content, thanks! I still advise pacing ourselves with purchases though... This gaming hardware business is booming like crazy! A new company every week almost! I never thought I'd be reviewing so many controllers, amongst other things!

Say less, it definitely is!

No, actually it doesn't work on Xbox. It'll work on PC, iOS, Android, Switch, Steam Deck. Cheers!

Symmetrical sticks? Yeah honestly, I get by fine with both styles but symmetrical players are not getting anywhere near as much love...

I see where you're coming from, who knows, maybe Flydigi will see comments like yours and adapt over time! Cheers, thanks for engaging :)

That just means you can adjust the tension. It has Hall Effect sticks.

By failing do you mean the shape of the raw input being a diamond? Or do you mean like some sort of drifting of the inputs? Thanks for the heads up, I'll research this some more!

It physically breaks when the tension is high

@@user-es3yi6us9d Wow! That's no joke, thanks for this info.