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Flying in the UK is Confusing, Epic Formation Flight 

Matt Guthmiller
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ATC in the U.K. is just plain weird, but we manage to fly from Scotland to England for an epic formation flight along the coast at Beachy Head before exploring London.
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@Trevor_Austin
@Trevor_Austin 6 лет назад
Guys - you really should brief yourselves on national ATC before you arrive. Firstly, Transition Altitude varies throughout the world and may vary region by region inside each country. It is NOT a standard 18,000 feet. You will generate an Airprox if you don’t change when you should. Secondly, your aircraft has windows and you have eyes - use them. You will be sharing the sky with airliners, private jets and the military as well as bug smashers outside controlled airspace throughout Europe. Thirdly, Europe lacks a well developed support structure outside controlled airspace because our skies are too crowded, the weather too unpleasant too often and our governments prefer to spend money differently. To usefully use an aircraft in Europe you have to have an Instrument Rating (ours don’t come after 20 multiple guess questions and five hours of training) and a well equipped aircraft capable of handle ice, ie. too expensive. A lack of traffic means we don’t have sufficient small airports with instrument approaches. Lastly, appreciate that you come from a very free, very rich country but it only occupies six percent of our Earth’s landmass and US citizens 4% of its population. Do not expect the rest of the World to be created in your own image. Instead, expect differences.
@fazneefadzil4258
@fazneefadzil4258 4 года назад
very true.not prepared for the flight
@fazneefadzil4258
@fazneefadzil4258 4 года назад
GA pilots dude.they think they know everything about flying and expect aviation to follow their way.we airliners will take every flight a challenge with mutual respect no matter where.
@marcs990
@marcs990 5 лет назад
Im glad to two guys sorted things out, it’s a shame the owners of the video haven’t either seen and or commented on this matter. I’m only own a mere PPL but I was shocked to hear them blindly acknowledging instructions when they should of replied that they where unfamiliar with the terminology used. They were lucky at first they seemed to get a controller that actually was trying his best to help them and even got on the phone to help them clear their passage, obviously he read between the lines and understood they where naive. They need to understand that in Europe it’s extremely condensed airspace and in some views maybe over regulated, we just don’t have the space to fly around flight following or VFR as easily. To even think of passing even near London which IS the most congested airspace in the world just on the hopp i can only put down to them being fatigued and thinking they have flown halfway around the world they can just wing it, excuse the pun, is unprofessional. Oh and if they think they had it tough here wait till the Germans get hold of them!, hopefully they will of learnt the lesson by then.
@swish6143
@swish6143 4 года назад
Mark Sketch whaaat? German here, IFR is a piece of cake...I think. Fly direct..., contact...cleared to land.
@BlueLineSpeed
@BlueLineSpeed 6 лет назад
Matt, until watching this video I had a great deal of respect for you however my opinion has regrettably changed somewhat. It is your responsibility as a pilot to know the airspace and regulations of the country you are flying within. A few basic points to consider in future prior to "mentoring" other aviators through the U.K. ATS; 1. It is unacceptable that you did not understand the difference between navigation inside and outside controlled airspace whilst transiting some of the busiest airspace in the world. You had no concept of airspace structure or location but acknowledged an ATC instruction to remain clear of controlled airspace without hesitation, that is simply irresponsible and dangerous. The responsible and legal action would have been to carry a UK navigation chart indicating location and classification of airspace, the same way you would have carried a VFR sectional chart in the USA for a VFR flight. A deconfliction service simply provides you separation from other traffic, it does not clear you into or through airspace hence the numerous instructions to "remain clear of controlled airspace". It is your responsibility to remain clear of airspace that is keeping you separated from commercial traffic. Failure to do so may lead to you endangering commercial air traffic and in turn WILL lead to legal prosecution irrespective of nationality or license. Hopefully you'll begin to appreciate the naivety of filing an IFR FPL "outside controlled airspace" routing Wick DCT Shoreham. To put this in USA terms, you just planned KBOS DCT KIAD VFR without a sectional chart or GPS and when asked for your routing by ATC, replied "whatever you prefer". 2. "IFR outside controlled airspace" is exactly that, outside controlled airspace. You have no obligation to talk to ATC and ATC has no requirements to know who you are prior to your initial call with or without a flight plan (the "pass your message" bit by the way). ATC are not required to pass your details to the next sector/ATC controller unless within controlled airspace. 3. Understand the term "transition altitude" or "transition level" and when to use them. If you are cleared to a flight level, do not repeatedly read back that you are maintaining an altitude, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt you know the difference. How can you be de-conflicted from surrounding traffic if you're not maintaining the assigned altitude/level. The U.K. doesn't have a uniform 18,000ft to set 29.92, it can be as low as 3,500ft in some areas and as you know the difference between the two can be hundreds of feet negating the benefit of the deconfliction. 4. You showed frustration, distain disrespect towards a controller for not knowing your flight details, but you did not even know your; Permitted route of flight, Correct altitude, Airspace you were currently within Airspace classification and its significance Surrounding Airspace location ATC service available ATC service that you require How those ATC services work or Air law for the country you were flying within. To mention only a few of many points. If you want to present yourself as the professional aviator you attempt to portray in your channel, have a modicum of respect and professionalism for those you are working with and who by the looks of things are trying to keep you alive as you blindly fly through their airspace or simply don't fly outside the USA and Canada. Many of your viewers will watch your videos in an educational capacity with hopes to replicate your performance. It is a sign of maturity and professionalism to admit when you do not know information and to emphasize this to your viewers in order to prevent the transmission of incorrect information. Other options for you are to edit your videos differently or just not post a particular video at all. I mean my comments with the greatest of respect from one aviator to another. I hope you can appreciate the gravitas of the video you have posted and the image it portrays. Wouldn't it be mortifying if someone follows in your unintended footsteps and ends up creating an incident, accident or getting prosecuted. I enjoy your videos and hope you keep posting, but please be occasionally mindful of their content.
@aspiringauthor4562
@aspiringauthor4562 6 лет назад
BlueLineSpeed Can't you Brits come up with your own comments? Or is it easier that way? Less thinking.
@BlueLineSpeed
@BlueLineSpeed 6 лет назад
Martial Artist; Isn't that a bizarre reply to what is in fact a "comment" or were you being sarcastic? If so, bravo sir/madam. Did I somehow reiterate some feedback you had already posted in your comments and by this, in some way insulted you? Either way I am struggling to find the link between my comment and a nations ability to think? Nevertheless, I apologize how my feedback on this video has in some way aggrieved you.
@aspiringauthor4562
@aspiringauthor4562 6 лет назад
BlueLineSpeed Sorry if I offended you. The same comments repeated multiple times by multiple people just gets a little ridiculous. I do concur, they should have done their due diligence in air space and procedures when flying in your country, but Matt wasn't Pilot In Command either. Just the navigaror. The PIC has sole responsibility for operation of the craft. It just goes to show us that we all can make mistakes. Only, theirs are the ones that were recorded for public digestion and comment. Good and bad! We all should be able to learn from the mistakes of others. The pictures where great! You have a beautiful country.
@BlueLineSpeed
@BlueLineSpeed 6 лет назад
Martial Artist, I agree that we wouldn't have this footage to enjoy in the first place if they hadn't made the effort to fly across, and that must be recognized. Our airspace structure is unduly complicated and sometimes feels it's only been created to catch out the unwary pilots, but it is what it is. We should just be thankful we have a general aviation at all in these days of over regulation. I take your point about repeat comments, I'll have a scan through in future. Safe aviating!
@aspiringauthor4562
@aspiringauthor4562 6 лет назад
BlueLineSpeed Thank you for your understanding and comment. We do both live in some great countries which still have some freedom when it comes to GA. Iron sharpeneth iron! Fly safe yourself. My be someday we'll cross paths.
@tspcrowther
@tspcrowther 5 лет назад
Shoreham is not in London, as is 95% of the rest of England.
@forfengeligfaen
@forfengeligfaen 6 лет назад
They fly on the left in England
@Kaipeternicolas
@Kaipeternicolas 6 лет назад
Hahah good one!
@someenglishguy..
@someenglishguy.. 6 лет назад
Incorrect good sir. We fly over the beaches. We fly over the landing grounds. We fly over the fields and streets. We fly in the hills. We shall never be grounded. We will fly over our island, whatever the cost may be.
@gilbertfurguson8438
@gilbertfurguson8438 6 лет назад
and the baggage retrieval system they have at Heathrow
@mycosys
@mycosys 6 лет назад
It must be hard for an American to understand that some countries werent brought to their knees by the white flag waving French, and hence do not follow Napoleonic whims like driving on the right against near universal tradition.
@mfuller1093
@mfuller1093 5 лет назад
@Togapower Ah that old myth, 1 Look up the Battle of Britain when The RAF stopped the Luftwaffe from air dominance(the first European air force to stop them ) and without US help, which made the Germans cancel their invasion plans. 2. US finally joins in the fight against Germany a whole2 years After the War started and only after Pearl Harbour. 3. If the Germans had invaded Britain then the US would have been their next planned destination ( look up the ''New York'' V2 missile). ''Have a nice day now '' ☺
@MW-dp5mm
@MW-dp5mm 6 лет назад
Firstly, that was an amazing journey, amazing set of videos! Secondly, getting a bit flustered with different RT procedures is understandable but not bothering to look at the UK CAA guidance is a bit silly. CAP 413 lists the RT procedures and if it's a non ICAO standard phraseology, it's neatly summarised in the appendix. I wouldn't dream of going through some of the busiest airspace in the world not being confident in the RT. it looks to me that you got a great service from Scottish and London Information who were very patient with you and obtained clearances for you (also the "information" part of the designator is a clue as to what type of service you will receive). Next time you're in the UK, if you don't understand what ATC is asking then just tell them in plain English or let them know you are new to flying in UK airspace, I sense London Info picked up on this and was actually giving you a personalised level of service.
@gavinsmith8330
@gavinsmith8330 4 года назад
Ignorance is Bliss !
@crosstian
@crosstian 4 года назад
It's like any Americans outside their homeland lmao
@RogueCylon
@RogueCylon 4 года назад
Well said. I find it really sloppy that they would fly within UK airspace, with little knowledge of correct procedures.
@Superdelphinus
@Superdelphinus 3 года назад
It’s actually unbelievable. The arrogance of that whole bit of the video was amazing. Irrespective of that, flying around busy airspace like that with barely any idea what anyone is asking you to do is extremely dangerous. What a plane of tits.
@rossilake218
@rossilake218 2 года назад
@@Superdelphinus Hey Hey Hey!!! But we are Americans. Doesn’t everybody say that about us? Lmao. P.s. you-all talk funny.
@TheSpacecraftX
@TheSpacecraftX 4 года назад
It's kind of scary how ignorant they seem of how the ATC is supposed to work and how dismissive they are about it.
@slipersox
@slipersox 4 года назад
It's like they came to the UK to play football, but didn't read up on the laws of football in the UK, then turned up to the game in helmets and pads and then complained that the other team weren't playing right...
@nathanpeters7033
@nathanpeters7033 4 года назад
I fly for a UK airline and when I watched this the first time round I was shocked at how BAD they were in foreign airspace. When you fly in another country you research what your flying into! This guy is terrible
@splitz7961
@splitz7961 4 года назад
Gwopboy B very true my friend
@splitz7961
@splitz7961 4 года назад
Gwopboy B and the obesity
@sundown798
@sundown798 4 года назад
@@nathanpeters7033 You're supposed to say "Rubbish" Just kidding man these kids look pretty hungover/tired lol. Give them some slack.
@benmcgrath6292
@benmcgrath6292 6 лет назад
Pass your message is standard for most controllers in the uk, basically means say what you are doing and where you want to go and basic service is standard and ive never heard deconfliction on frequency. Anyway great video!
@AussieAndyHardy
@AussieAndyHardy 6 лет назад
Hey Matt, it was great flying in formation with you that day - fun giving Alfie his first flying lesson too mate :) Pissed my pants laughing when you two looked so perplexed at the London Info controller's request for you to "Pass Your Message" :) You seemed not to appreciate then that London Info is a non-radar service (can't see where you are, so only procedural) hence his questions were directed at re-inserting you into controlled airspace at some point. Totally foreign concept vs the US I know :) Again, great seeing you and meeting JP & Louis :) Cheers chaps :)
@donpatrick6392
@donpatrick6392 5 лет назад
Hey Andy, I’m researching a possible trip across the pond in my RV-8...would love to correspond with you about procedures and such. I’d be coming from Canada with a dedicated trip to fly the Cliffs of Dover... Cheers, Don t6pilot@hotmail.com
@normk5761
@normk5761 6 лет назад
Wow! Just a really great video. Posting a comment to fully articulate how much I appreciate the effort it takes to make these videos is sometimes hard. This is one of those videos. Today is my birthday...thanks for the awesome gift!
@TheCivvyFastJetPilot
@TheCivvyFastJetPilot 6 лет назад
I have had the pleasure of flying IFR in the US and the UK. I have to say that the US system, where everything is in one system, C172 with A380 and the controllers know about both does make a lot of sense. The 18,000ft rule also makes sense. I love flying in the states, the numerous RNAV approaches, to the smallest of airfield and the PCL make it a real pleasure, however. This does not excuse you from carrying out your basic preflight planning. I am assuming that you filed a DCT to EGKA, which just can not be done here, I dont know how it was accepted by eurocontrol, I can only assume that you filled VFR. The only thing that I saw to negate this was that at some point you had a FPL om the GTN650 showed BPK-LAM-DVR-EGKA, or something like that. I, again assume, that you got this from London FIS. Foreflight doesn't work in the UK, if it does only to a limited capability. I didn't see a CAA VFR chart, but I accept you may have had one, and when you are VFR in the UK you have a legal requirement to have one, or a suitable means of navigation. You can be excused for find the UK airspace confusing, I can agree with you that it is not as good as the US, and I would love it to be the same system as the US, but you can not be excused for the total lack of preflight planning, knowing local procedures and being aware of our airspace system, its your legal obligation. The first part of your flight was outside controlled airspace. You don't need a radio to fly there, so its eyes out the window all the time, unfortunately you then went in to some of the busiest airspace in the world, around London. As a UK IR pilot I would have spent some time researching this, prior to the flight. I spent a long time researching my US flying from the UK know about the clearances, cancelling IFR, filing IFR plans even before I stepped in to an aircraft.
@johndonnellan8894
@johndonnellan8894 5 лет назад
A good (safe) pilot knows all the foreseeable aspects of their flight prior to engine start.There are enough "unknowns" along the way to challenge us.
@johngraham6181
@johngraham6181 4 года назад
Might have been an investment to have had a check ride with a UK instructor.
@coriscotupi
@coriscotupi 6 лет назад
Very nice as usual. But here is a suggestion: please add some means for viewers to identify the nicer spots you are overflying, either with on-screen labels, post-production overdubbed narration or even just a simple "time reference" list on the video description itself. It would help us locate those spots in Google earth, get more details in other youtube videos or other sites, etc.
@theinfiniteflightdeck
@theinfiniteflightdeck 4 года назад
As a brit, this is hilarious to watch. You forget how different stuff is. And remember “a good pilot is always passing their message” 😂
@danielbhall
@danielbhall 6 лет назад
You’re dealing with some of the best ATCOs in the world. Your lack of research into how ATC works in the UK is embarrassing. Your extremely lucky you didn’t bust a zone. If you consider the high level of traffic particularly in the South East I’d consider yourselves extremely lucky.
@TheOrioNation
@TheOrioNation 6 лет назад
Where could one look for information regarding ATC in the UK if you don't mind me asking?
@angelossakellariou2832
@angelossakellariou2832 6 лет назад
I totally agree on the research before you fly over procedure, but these guys coming from the US flying to an English speaking country(UK) they would expect at least an ICAO english compliant phraseology which all these are certainly NOT. I ve flown around the world even in some weird countries where english are lets say a luxury but this shock ,with all these confusing and certainly not standard per ICAO phraseology , when you enter UK airspace is just amazing.
@virginiahansen320
@virginiahansen320 6 лет назад
Gotta agree with Angelos Sakellariou on this. There was no reason to expect that their phraseology would be so different to everybody else. It's not like these guys haven't flown other places before. Matt's flown all over the world and the international lexicon which works almost everywhere else doesn't work in the UK. The fact that the UK is part of the anglo-sphere makes it even more reasonable to expect them to use the agreed upon lexicon.
@demetriosb5758
@demetriosb5758 6 лет назад
The fact they've all flown around the world and experienced different procedures and are having trouble in a mainly English speaking country just shows that their system is flawed and makes no sense.
@mycosys
@mycosys 6 лет назад
It amazes me these yanks cannot conceive that anywhere else might have as long and rich a flying tradition as they, and thus have independently developed. The idea of anything not being californicated is a horror to these jingoists.
@NicholasSpartan
@NicholasSpartan 5 лет назад
Welcome to the old continent chaps.....you prepared a cross Atlantic flight. A little preparation on the ATC will not harm you.... Cheers.
@Dan737MASTER
@Dan737MASTER 6 лет назад
Good God, I feel bad for the GA guys over in the UK. It's easy to take flight following and no fees for granted here in America. Keep up the awesome videos Matt!
@FrannyWard
@FrannyWard 5 лет назад
What a thrill to fly it must be. I only flew three times in my life, once to Ireland in 1973, once to Puerto Rico in 1990, and once in Kitty Hawk, NC in a Cessna. Hats off to you guys.
@matthew3774
@matthew3774 4 года назад
I just thought I’d say, the second part of this video starting at 17:47 inspired me so much that I went to Shoreham airport myself and did a trial flight in a piper pa-28 warrior over Beachy head and back.
@WingNuts2010
@WingNuts2010 5 лет назад
A big surprise in your attitude to the ATC terms of the United Kingdom. I found your comments quite surprising and showed that you had not spent very long listening to the English language over here or had done any preparation for this leg of your journey. Are you aware of the English phrase, the six P's? Prior Planning Prevents p### Poor Performance. As for understanding English, in some respects, it is the Mother tongue and apart from the local accents, you should not any issues understanding it. Unlike a lot of your read backs, sometimes it was 0EU, sometimes it was N0EU, 210EU, and very often I could not figure out which one was used as it was so mumbled even though I was using the CC. Experience is the best adventure.
@raefnw4960
@raefnw4960 6 лет назад
Good to see you flew into shoreham, my current training airport to get my PPL, Amazing airport with some great scenery. The ATC for me is quite simple, but then again, it’s what I’ve learned, but listening to USA ATC, it does seem more difficult.
@964cuplove
@964cuplove 4 года назад
Love it that the military atc has off on weekends.... when starting the next Battle of Britain, choose a saturday, gives you 48 hrs. :-)
@rsmckgla
@rsmckgla 6 лет назад
This is interesting, but in some ways almost embarrassing. If I were flying in the USA I'd learn their procedures beforehand, if I drive in a foreign country, I learn the appropriate traffic law first. If you're coming to the UK to fly you'd think at the very least knowing the correct response to "Pass Your Message" and the UK ATSOCAS stuff would be useful.
@jamesboyuk7058
@jamesboyuk7058 6 лет назад
rsmckgla agree. Typical yank attitude that US way is the only way
@jamesboyuk7058
@jamesboyuk7058 6 лет назад
But great videos though....keep up the good work
@extrem1st
@extrem1st 6 лет назад
Damn yanks, how DARE they invent fixed-wing flight. Bastards.
@mycosys
@mycosys 6 лет назад
Invent is a bit very rich - they were the first successful flight among dozens of independent parallel developments across the world, and not by all that long. All of them had 'invented' the craft long before it flew. The UK has just as long and rich a flight history as the US, perhaps even richer in the early years as they were huge on airships too. They also had very different needs as a smaller county geographically dealing with an extraordinary number of international flights from the outset. Not saying better or worse - just that there is a very good reason they are different
@mycosys
@mycosys 6 лет назад
You also need to appreciate that while America had it's aircraft development stalled by wright bros patent manuevering, Europe was getting on with making aircraft - to the extent that the US actually had to buy FRENCH planes for WW1 as they didnt have any up to snuff, so the UK and Europe got into real flying earlier.
@gkkes
@gkkes 5 лет назад
The trick in flying Wick to Shoreham is to plan a route solely talking to the Tower Controller at each end ;-) The interesting thing to note is that the first controller at Scottish asked all the question individually, that are normally passed by the PIC on first contact in response to "Pass your message?" At 4:35 the SatNav outlines your partial Flightplan as OTR BANTO BKY BPK DET EGKA. In the London TMA thats a tricky route avoiding Luton Stansted Heathrow City and the many less commercial fields... This routes through all the stacks for Heathrow, whose bottom is FL70 prior to Approach. That would be some tough flying.. Much better to fly to the West via DCS POL STAFA HON GWC. The option - fly lower, amongst all the other GA aircraft flying outside controlled airspace where "eyes outside" is 100% imperative! Reminds me of the Pilot magazine articles - I learned to fly from that one ..........
@DCostified
@DCostified 5 лет назад
1:35 is the Island of Stroma. My parents actually were the only ones that lived on that island as caretakers for the owner. My jaw dropped when I realized that was, in fact, the same island.
@rossilake218
@rossilake218 2 года назад
Small Planet!
@nathansiktberg5929
@nathansiktberg5929 3 года назад
Love the formation pictures over white cliffs..so fabulous
@Jablicek
@Jablicek 6 лет назад
Cheers, Matt. I need reminding sometimes that I live in an amazing city. On the bus on the way home last night, the route took me past Trafalgar Square, Whitehall and the Houses of Parliament. Going past these famous and beautiful landmarks, all I could think was how tired I was, and how much I just wanted to get home. Sometimes seeing our own cities through the eyes of tourists makes us appreciate where we are, and how lucky we are to live here.
@connoisseurofcannabiscarsp3755
Jablička It seems all the leeches from EVERYWHERE have come to England and domt forget how lucky They are but rather know nothing about the history nor want to know! All they want is as much free shit as possible and never work for it.Just complain about the country..I just dont understand why they come here instead of stay in their own DAMN countries!
@Jablicek
@Jablicek 6 лет назад
Connoisseur, this happens in every country, it's not limited to this one.
@Jablicek
@Jablicek 6 лет назад
... are you on drugs?
@connoisseurofcannabiscarsp3755
Jablička Drugs? No I simply speak the truth and you obviously DONT LIKE IT! TAKE YOUR 25 MEMBER FAMILY BACK TO THE COUNTRY YOU SWAM FROM..YOU ALL COME HERE!!! STAY OUT!
@Jablicek
@Jablicek 6 лет назад
You make me ashamed to be British. I was born here, as were my forebears further back than records count. Do us all a favour and stay off the interwebs.
@ummagowa
@ummagowa 3 года назад
I think it was 1995-6. There were three quotes of American athletes I’ll never forget. One major league baseball player was asked why his team lost, “too many home runs and stuff”. The Yankees had just won the World Series and in the locker room celebration coach Joe Torre was asked if he got a call from then president Bill Clinton. He said he did but when he finally got to the phone, Bill wasn’t there. Reporter asked “well what happened?” Joe said “I think when I finally got to the phone he had gone to eat a sandwich or something”. We diss Americans too. My fav coach. And the final quote pertains to these boys here chest beating about this video with a bit-O-trash on Americans. We sent a young man over to play the British Open. Our guy won the tourney 1995. As John Daly was being handed the green jacket he was asked if he’d be wearing it around. He said “probably not. Too many rules and stuff.” An American not-beta-male. Deal with it. We don’t like all those rules. That is why we are not liked. I don’t mind not being liked. I don’t like guys who need to be liked. Yes,these pilots should have had a bit more regard, but for this to launch into trashing America is precisely why we like our country. My dad flew out of Watton preparing for D-Day. He didn’t much care for the Brit culture and some of its insufferable demeanor, well, of some Brits, not all. It’s a different kind of arrogance, one of delusional supremacy and childish revelry. The American attitude is who, cares or really, give a shit. I guess it might go back to 1776 and then the 1812 bitter ransackers & common vandals first violating our sea routes. Sir Winston is one of my all time heroes. He and that Iron Lady were epic leaders. I can easily differentiate between them and today’s socialist pub brat groupies. I suppose in WW2 we were defending America too but many didn’t think so. You wonder how many American pilots violated your sophisticated royal airspace inadvertently while grouping up for those daylight raids? Some 40,000 didn’t live to tell.
@martingrosso8410
@martingrosso8410 6 лет назад
Ok so first, comparing USA ATC services with UK ATC services is not that one or another is better, the thing is that airspace is way different together with ATC structure and infrastructure. For me USA way of filing flightplan or understanding airspace/atc services is a lot more simpler than UK and a little bit easier. I found in USA that with just one app you can get almost everything for your flight (maps, charts, briefings, wx, frequencies, flight plan and all about that) where in UK you cant. It was more simpler the airspace to understand, way more simpler everything!! Im an Argentinian - ANAC PPL, FAA-USA CPL ME IR and UK-EASA ATPL CPL ME IR and i was really confused while i was flying in UK, when they talked about controlled airspace when you were talking with someone with radar (Exeter for example) but that does not mean that is wrong, its just i was expecting kind of the same thing as US (flight following, IFR, etc etc) but even thought that i managed to get through it, i was still confused and i was not the only one that saw that. So i will recommend if you are from USA and you are planning to go to UK to do ATPL or something like this video, study a little bit before or get in touch with someone that can explain it. Other thing that sometimes they put so much stuff on the explanations or questions from ATPLS that you focus on just passing it or get used to questions instead of knowing the topic from top to bottom. So if the ask you stupid things from everything you get to get crazy with that stuff instead of knowing the simple stuff. ATPLS exams were a pain, there is no way to pass them without doing the question banks from each of the subjects at least 3-4 times. That does not mean to memorize questions, but like i said above, when they do that stuff about asking things that are difficult or that you are never gonna use/do it/apply it at the same time, you focus on that and you forget sometimes the simple stuff like whats Basic/Traffic/Deconfliction servicies are. Anyways both countries are great, but again USA at least for me was simpler to understand.
@madman2swords
@madman2swords 5 лет назад
It all seems to work well here in the UK, with my limited cross country flying- I'm mainly going up and down and round and round. It's all good...
@bskybop
@bskybop 6 лет назад
Amazing video!! Thanks Matt. And also a great lesson on why I will fight the privatization of the ATC in the U.S.
@TheFlyingReporter
@TheFlyingReporter 6 лет назад
Well done trying to get our ATC over here. We have a very un-joined up ATC outside controlled airspace.
@flyingtalk
@flyingtalk 6 лет назад
I thought you were a big fan of LARS Jon? haha
@TheFlyingReporter
@TheFlyingReporter 6 лет назад
They do a decent job within the confines of their responsibility, and when they're open.
@flyingtalk
@flyingtalk 6 лет назад
The Flying Reporter is it just because of funding that we don’t have a system like the US?
@TheFlyingReporter
@TheFlyingReporter 6 лет назад
I've never totally worked that out. I think our airspace is set up very differently, and that's the main reason.
@flyingtalk
@flyingtalk 6 лет назад
Fair enough, thanks Jon. Big fan of your videos by the way, looks like you're coming up my way tomorrow to Sherburn? Would loved to have come said hi but I'm midway through my exams at university and my ATPLs at the moment. Enjoy though, it's a fantastic airfield and its where I learnt to fly.
@channingburton7476
@channingburton7476 6 лет назад
You do a great job in your video presentations. Really enjoyed this one. Cheers, Start Safe, Stay Safe
@jakebonsall2931
@jakebonsall2931 6 лет назад
This is so strange to watch as a British pilot and aircraft engineer, the pa28 on your right at 17:14, I maintain, never thought I’d see you guys so close to home, it’s weird
@andrewbailey7999
@andrewbailey7999 6 лет назад
Cool to see the approach to Shoreham from the air. I've seen a couple of airshows there, but never had the aircraft perspective
@ryanbenson171
@ryanbenson171 4 года назад
I'm sure someone else has pointed it out but "pass your message" means "I'm ready to copy say what you need to say"
@mattguthmiller
@mattguthmiller 4 года назад
The rest of the world doesn’t really require you to pass any message; they already have your information
@shestewa6581
@shestewa6581 3 года назад
Well in the UK, that’s clearly not how it works and it was your responsibility to know that before flying into our airspace. Would you really expect to drive in a country without double checking the road rules first?
@AviatorMark
@AviatorMark 6 лет назад
Enjoyed watching! Thanks for posting and keep up the good work!
@dhmediauk
@dhmediauk 6 лет назад
Ah cool, you flew over my town just south of OTR :) loving the videos, blue skies guys!
@LocalGuideClyde
@LocalGuideClyde 4 года назад
This whole journey was amazing and makes me want to get back in the air! Such good content!
@DigitalNomadOnFIRE
@DigitalNomadOnFIRE 3 года назад
You can't see "all of London" in a month let alone a day, LOOL
@c.douglaslyon9949
@c.douglaslyon9949 4 года назад
Excellent video, I feel like I’m there. Great drone shots of Scotland coast and castle.
@robertthrailkill1368
@robertthrailkill1368 6 лет назад
Great fun video, thanks. Fun seeing food service experiences abroad.
@curiousnomadic
@curiousnomadic 5 лет назад
How much did the fuel cost to get that far? Do you have stats somewhere?
@rayprice3367
@rayprice3367 5 лет назад
Matt, a tip from a trucker who has used bottles as a bathroom many times. After you dump it out put some mouthwash in the jug and swish it around and leave it in there until the next dump
@marcuswardle3180
@marcuswardle3180 5 лет назад
You're flying into another countries airspace and you expect them to conform to the airspace where you live. Do your research before you come here!
@LittleLordFancyLad
@LittleLordFancyLad 5 лет назад
He didn't expect them to conform, he felt that the ATC was better in North America. Which is true, because as the English pilot explained, ATC support for light aircraft in the UK is almost intermittent at best. It's a real problem with privatized ATC that desperately needs to be sorted. And no, I'm not an American, so don't get your knickers in a twist.
@sts1243
@sts1243 5 лет назад
@@LittleLordFancyLad Well he failed to prepare and understand the differences...
@jonswede7651
@jonswede7651 6 лет назад
Nice series so far. Looks like a great trip enjoy. Thanks for sharing
@Stanlee202
@Stanlee202 3 года назад
The easy way to respond to "Pass your message" is ADDPAA Aircraft, Departing, Destination, Position, Altitude and Any other info including service required.
@brianmansell880
@brianmansell880 5 лет назад
And he handles all of the food. Nice.
@donkmeister
@donkmeister 5 лет назад
Do you think the difficulties you experienced were because you are not used to the density of air traffic and controlled airspace in the UK? In the US you have a lot more space, so I expect the workload is a lot lower for a private pilot such as yourself, so you can relax more and get on with flying and not having to worry about where anyone else is. It's the equivalent of someone who has only ever driven on dirt roads in the middle of nowhere deciding to drive into NYC during rush hour whilst in the middle of a teleconference. I've not flown much in light aircraft but the major thing that stood out to me was how much radio chatter there was and how much my instructor was having to communicate with ATC and other aircraft (this was in the UK, btw). The second thing that stood out was how many other aircraft there were in the air.
@Jim_Austin
@Jim_Austin 6 лет назад
Great Video! I really enjoyed watching it. Thanks!
@matthewrichardson5548
@matthewrichardson5548 6 лет назад
7:38, you flew right over my home town, just on the curve of the river in South Tyneside. You should have stopped in Newcastle, it's much nicer than London :D
@TheWindigomonster
@TheWindigomonster 6 лет назад
Matthew Richardson looks like a beautiful country!
@Cupra-290
@Cupra-290 6 лет назад
Would've most likely cost them a lot more landing at Newcastle than Shoreham.
@alistairc2951
@alistairc2951 6 лет назад
I live there too
@danielscannell7688
@danielscannell7688 4 года назад
8:33 while the pilot pees the shadow on his back looks like a wee wee.
@etymology3
@etymology3 4 года назад
There was a perfect translation of a mumbled Danish communication in the Greenland video. The UK video is full of *inaudible*. Gold
@tristangorman
@tristangorman 6 лет назад
Man I've never clicked so fucking fast, loving this series and checking for uploads everyday.
@RogueCylon
@RogueCylon 4 года назад
In the UK we speak normal. Pick up your speed, open your ears, and use the right number of syllables and you might get on a bit better.
@6yjjk
@6yjjk 6 лет назад
Gorgeous formation footage. I could look at 20 minutes of that alone. I love Beachy Head but have never seen it like that! But you can keep your salad, I want that lamb burger. Hope you made it to the Battle of Britain Memorial while you were in London!
@papalilburn
@papalilburn 4 года назад
Wait for the shake!
@rmkenney
@rmkenney 6 лет назад
Matt, I was wondering why you always have your friend Rachel do your captions(?) Is it because she has a good ear? Why would she do it rather than you? Or do you work on the CC's together?
@rmkenney
@rmkenney 6 лет назад
I don't know why I'm even asking Matt a question. If he's a senior at MIT, he has no spare time(or brain cells) left to answer questions from us lower forms of life. :-D
@ivanshilin536
@ivanshilin536 6 лет назад
Waiting for the next new part how went the rest of journey to Austria. Thank you so much for your good job!!!)
@lucagfeller9551
@lucagfeller9551 6 лет назад
hey guys. very nice trip! it was a pleasure to watch your video. can i ask you about the costs of this trip? i think the costs were very high with all landing taxes and the renting of the plane.. greetings
@vostokcosomonaut5205
@vostokcosomonaut5205 5 лет назад
Dangerous...
@jljamison
@jljamison 4 года назад
left the cowl flaps open during cruise :-0) Absolutely epic flights and scenery. Admire your adventurous spirit
@davidcarpenter4474
@davidcarpenter4474 5 лет назад
I don't like mentioning this but I didn't have a pot of glue what the US ATC were on about in Florida last year.
@RodrigoBehrens1
@RodrigoBehrens1 6 лет назад
I enjoy so much your flights!
@ianmcnulty3279
@ianmcnulty3279 5 лет назад
Hi Mat, You complain about the way we speak but we use the English language i,e, A battery is a battery. You use the word Baddery I am never sure if that is one "D" or two. Good programs though.
@Chucklesrailarchive
@Chucklesrailarchive 6 лет назад
When I learnt to fly in the eighties a U.S License was not valid in the UK unless further training and exam carried out. I guess that would have explained some of the problems with ATC you encountered. We don’t have the space like you guys in the states. Strangely at the time a UK Licence was valid in the U.S though. A lot people looking to gain a PPL would travel to America because it was so cheap in those days I wonder if it still is. Great film chaps keep em coming. (“Chaps” I’m being rather English there guys) I would still love to do some flying in the U.S but I’m getting older so doubt I will get to do it now.
@DigitalNomadOnFIRE
@DigitalNomadOnFIRE 3 года назад
"If the world could just be the same as the US, it would make sense". Some dude, 2018.
@diamondplate
@diamondplate Год назад
23:23 insane.
@bensteyn1974
@bensteyn1974 6 лет назад
I stumbled across your VLOG, flying from the US to Europe and followed up to this video, Epic Formation Flight. Amazing videos!! At 4 am I had to go to sleep and now I can't find the continuation videos of your journey to Austria. Are they published? Are they in episodes or a series? Thanks!
@jibeneyto91
@jibeneyto91 3 года назад
I feel sympathy for foreign pilots who come fly in the UK. Most Brits will react to this saying "well you should bloody inform yourself before flying here! It's your bloody fault! Rubbish! Reckless!" The reality is that the UK is the odd one within ICAO and they do aviation in such an extremely unnecessarilly complicated way that is simply confusing and frustrating. Flying entirely within Controlled Airspace (CAS) is fine. The problem is once you get out of it (OCAS), you're left completely on your own which is unlike the rest of Europe. And then getting back into CAS is a bloody nightmare because the limits of controlled airspace are so damn water-tight.
@martinward71
@martinward71 4 года назад
Just watched all of the footage from America to England on the Cessna...probably the best vids I have ever watched...Bravo....one question though, you did loads of work in the front with comms, etc, how will he get back with just him and backseat dude who doesnt seem very Cessna/Nav airplane savvy ?
@ericmontgomery1343
@ericmontgomery1343 4 года назад
The UK’s Air Traffic Services Outside Controlled Airspace offer four levels of service: A Basic Service is intended to offer the pilot maximum autonomy and the avoidance of other traffic is solely the pilot’s responsibility. The controller/FISO will pass information pertinent to the safe and efficient conduct of flight. This can include weather, changes of serviceability of facilities, conditions at aerodromes and general activity information within a unit's area of responsibility. A Traffic Service provides the pilot with surveillance derived traffic information on conflicting aircraft. No deconfliction advice is passed and the pilot is responsible for collision avoidance. A Traffic Service contains the information available in a Basic Service. In addition, controllers provide surveillance derived traffic information on relevant conflicting traffic. Headings and/or levels may also be issued for positioning and/or sequencing. A Deconfliction Service provides the pilot with traffic information and deconfliction advice on conflicting aircraft. However, the avoidance of other aircraft is ultimately the pilot’s responsibility. A Deconfliction Service contains the information available in a Basic Service. In addition, controllers shall aim to assist the pilot with his responsibility for the safety of the aircraft by passing traffic information and deconfliction advice. Headings and/or levels will also be issued for positioning, sequencing and/or deconfliction advice. A Procedural Service is a non surveillance service in which deconfliction advice is provided against other aircraft in receipt of a Procedural Service from the same controller. The avoidance of other aircraft is the pilot’s responsibility. Pasted from description in Skybrary.com Yes it is confusing.
@Mark_Ocain
@Mark_Ocain 5 лет назад
9:02 Matt, beware the effects of carbohydrate narcosis LOL. Kit Kats are snooze food after the buzz ends.
@stargatewv
@stargatewv 4 года назад
highly enjoyable to be along for the ride. really cool. thanks
@Volk1880
@Volk1880 4 года назад
If you knew anything about air traffic procedures in the UK, I doubt you'd have enjoyed the ride. They were out of their depth, simply didn't care and if you forgive the pun, winged it. The workload they put on the ATC controllers was totally unnecessary especially when you factor in what else they have to worry about without babysitting these guys who are pretending to be professionals. 09:57 totally clueless and this controller had to go well out of his way. Not the only one either... Another small point is when you are given a service, in this case a basic service you are supposed to acknowledge that, not by just replying "roger" or with your callsign. They were also told to stay out of controlled airspace, which you need to acknowledge as well, not just ignore. How else is the controller supposed to know you've heard and understood the message? Another small point is if you don't hear or understand the instruction or request from the controller you damn well ask them to repeat the message or to clarify it. ATC is there to help you, and to keep everyone safe, they are not attempting to make life more difficult. Just continuing to fly (potentially directly to controlled airspace where, airliners are flying, and incidentally where they were told NOT to go for god knows what reason) and wait for him to "get back to you" is dangerous, reckless and down right stupid. To give you an example of what "controlled airspace" looks like in England, have a look at this map.... there isn't exactly room to mess around. www.flyer.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/CAA-chart-Southern-England_Ed40_v2_Standard.jpg Just see how many times you can count areas on the chart of : INTENSE GLIDER ACTIVITY INTENSE HELICOPTER ACTIVITY INTENSE MICROLIGHT ACTIVITY INTENSE PARACHUTING .....
@MreViewer
@MreViewer 6 лет назад
"they talk so funny" - it's called English!
@dantaylor7344
@dantaylor7344 5 лет назад
Just one question, this rural route you took, did you have to OK that with ATC? Flying willy nilly is a bit of a luxury in the UK, even Emirates can't take a random detour around the coast whenever they fancy it. Just wondering. Airspace here is at a premium, it's the reason QFA intercepts in about 300 seconds.
@CymruEmergencyResponder
@CymruEmergencyResponder 6 лет назад
He wasn't mumbling at all! he was speaking clearly! you just cannot understand English clearly!
@taccs27570
@taccs27570 6 лет назад
Great video. Keep them coming -- please!
@helipilotEGLW
@helipilotEGLW 4 года назад
Why did you not let the controller know you did not understand the instructions?
@valuedhumanoid6574
@valuedhumanoid6574 6 лет назад
I bought this thing called a "pilot relief tube" for long trips like that. It is basically a condom that has a plastic hose the runs down your leg to a bag strapped around your leg just above the ankle. It works great, but trying to force yourself to piss while just sitting there was nigh impossible! It goes against every instinct and 48 years of not peeing your pants. It was excruciating! I finally talked my sub conscience brain into doing it, but it was frustrating. But once I got the hang of it, it was awesome. I wear it all the time now just hanging around the house. (just kidding)
@arjandoornink3721
@arjandoornink3721 4 года назад
Great video. ATC is indeed confusing. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Holland.
@michaelmitiszek1538
@michaelmitiszek1538 6 лет назад
Oxford English for a VFR flight cruising at FL 90, that's very special
@Captainkeithflying
@Captainkeithflying 2 года назад
Not a good look posting a video like this. It’s a pilots responsibility to be fully prepared for any flight. UK air traffic control is as good as anywhere in the world. I flew commercial jets for 28 years, many times into the states and getting to grips with the style and speed of r/t takes a while. But this is what flying responsibly is about. Preparation preparation preparation. Like another comment here I was impressed at first but became very disappointed after hearing some of the radio communications. Preparation! Worrying to think that I had 200 passengers and people were/are flying around with such a cavalier style in controlled IFR airspace.
@harrywheeler1
@harrywheeler1 3 года назад
Nice to hear my local airfield, shobdon on atc.
@davidhorobin1060
@davidhorobin1060 6 лет назад
What a superb video - thank you so much. Absolutely agree that UK ATC is odd and counterintuitive. And the landing fee at Shoreham is a disgrace. But hope you enjoyed your experience.
@Mike-dk7wj
@Mike-dk7wj 5 лет назад
Great series of films. Pity about some of the juvenile conversation. So cool, so awesome, so cool, really kinda like, so awesome, so cool, kinda like ad nauseum. You're men not high-school pupils.
@samjackson6926
@samjackson6926 Год назад
It’s understandable that Matt is confused about the procedures and phraseology used in the UK. The rest of the world, from the US to Europe to Asia, has adopted universal, standard procedures and terminology. The whole point is that if you’re on a route that overflies five different countries you don’t need to learn the local procedures for all of them - they are all the same. Not the UK though. We’ve decided to go our own way with bizarre non-standard local procedures that are different to the entire rest of the world, are much more complicated and much less fit for purpose. Couple that with a (privatised) ATC system that often just wants to get you out of its hair rather than offer much help, patchy availability of radar services outside of CAS, with no handovers between units (again, due to privatisation) and airspace designed to keep the small planes out, the UK is far behind the most of rest of the world when it comes to facilitating GA flights. I don’t believe the ‘busy airspace’ argument: there are places in the US and Europe that are just as busy and they manage to fit GA in without any fuss at all. Flying around, say, Paris is a breeze compared to here. FWIW I am a British instrument-rated pilot and fly extensively across Western Europe under IFR and VFR.
@Charlieb377
@Charlieb377 3 года назад
I love your content but the way you speak about the UK, it's people and systems is just rude! A bit of respect when you're visiting someone else's country might be an idea!
@beeblefoxx
@beeblefoxx 4 года назад
when you eventually crash, try not to take out a passenger plane with you
@Volk1880
@Volk1880 4 года назад
Indeed, for them it is just a matter of time. You can only push your luck so far, before it will eventually catch up with you.
@bobninemire6859
@bobninemire6859 6 лет назад
Matt...You KILLED it on this one. The Air to Air shots were spectacular. A few of them were worthy of a print for sale.
@piglet3188
@piglet3188 6 лет назад
Did not understand the radio speak but understand that Louis must of been hungry as he was picking his nose. Lol.
@Orikix
@Orikix 2 года назад
You must have the rekord of saying «Games of Thrones» in an airplane😂
@AthenaSaints
@AthenaSaints 4 года назад
2:30, John Sinclair, Master of Caithness.
@ARlELATOM
@ARlELATOM 4 года назад
Please do a bit of research before you come back again 😅
@erikcele1604
@erikcele1604 3 года назад
Amazing
@tsangarisjohn
@tsangarisjohn 5 лет назад
It’s absurd that countries have different basic procedures and language structure. Everyone should agree and operate the same exact way. Don’t care who’s method is adapted most.
@georgebarlowr
@georgebarlowr 2 года назад
It's not really, the UK is like this because of how tight and cramped our airspace is. The London TMA is possibly one of the most busiest section of airspace in the world and the procedures that are in place suit the complexity of it. What these pilots failed to do was read up before hand of the general practices and procedures of the airspace and almost fly blind straight through it. You can't standardise everything, every country is different, the only bit of standardisation possible is ruled out by an organisation named ICAO, who are an international body that overlook all participating regions of the world. ICAO set a base and then countries/regions adapt and build on top of it (within reason) to suit their needs and this is quite simply what the UK have done. If you don't like how the UK do it, don't fly through it, but don't fly through it and not read up about it (like these pilots did) and then complain and whine when controllers ask them to do things that they are unfamiliar with, they could end up being a danger to themselves or others if they are not careful and continue going on like this.
@tvntub
@tvntub 6 лет назад
I read that the Brits are offended, lol. How much more complicated is the airspace in London compared to San Francisco and LA/ San Diego areas. Dozens of airports below class B that ATC has to watch over and manage VFR traffic mixed with airlines and big commercial jets. All the service is fast, professional and very helpful. From the video, the British controller was not in a super busy frequency like apporach control in the evening in LA or SF Bay Area. I wish the Americcan have never adopted the random imperial system in favor of the metric system, BTW. Can British pilots who fly in America post some comments here? Awesome video Matt, Thanks.
@adamt7667
@adamt7667 6 лет назад
Tom Newman People are offended because the pilots decided the fly in the UK without doing any research, and then proceeded to bash the entire system whilst having no clue how to act on it. I fly in the south east of England, and the airspace really is that bad. Between all of the Military Zones and big London airports, you have to be very on the ball when picking through the airspace. The controllers are all generally very friendly and helpful, however most small airfields are only air-ground, meaning there is an amateur on the frequency whose job is to advise and give information.
@kimicollier9846
@kimicollier9846 5 лет назад
Your rear passenger sure picks his nose a lot... lol Nice flight - thanks for sharing. - Kimi
@Tmccreight25Gaming
@Tmccreight25Gaming 5 лет назад
If you guys are such huge fans of game of thrones you should have stopped in Northern Ireland! GOT was filmed over here!
@gkkes
@gkkes 5 лет назад
Split?
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