Flywheel Removal and Advanced Timing Key Install on a Predator 212cc 

Hi KW This is an installation video. I don’t have any videos on how a hammer works either, sorry The key moves the flywheel in relation to the coil to fire the coil earlier when the piston is coming up in the cylinder. This is important with higher octane fuel as it burns slower. Very important for “experts” that want to use race fuel in low compression engines in hopes that will magically make more power. These keys simply change the relationship between the flywheel/coil and when the plug fires If you have specific questions please let me know

then you should have watched a video about ignition timing basics. This guy didn't waste your time you looked up the wrong thing!

wait did he say the racer dudes dont use a timing key at ALL ??

@@AmericanCruiser some just set the timing and then use the torque and the Taper to hold it on. The Woodruff key doesn't keep that flywheel in place at full spin, it just gets it in the right place. The nut and Taper do all the work. This is why torque specs are so very important.

Right ? And what exactly is the “front of engine” should be more specific. It would also be great to zoom in on parts being worked on and described. I mean that’s what I want to see

Are you serious? You don't know what the front of the engine would be??, you shouldn't be working on one then@@plesadian3

Hi Bill, Yessir! You can run 87 octane with the 8 degree key as the compression ratio has not changed and that is not excessive advance for the engine. The compression gained for the thin head gasket won't have any effect either. Ya know! I see so many guys wanting the high octane fuel for mo' powa' ...but it is actually working against them in most cases. I run 87 in most of my engines. Of course, jetting is critical regardless of the octane you are using. With the thin head gasket you may be able to go one size bigger on the jet, but the average guy jets too rich anyways! We need to have heat in the head to make power. Advance the timing and put the .010" head gasket in and run it! You may find that you already have the perfect jetting! Please let me know if you have additional questions...and thanks for the kudos! Much appreciated

Rotate the flywheel forward until it contacts the key and then torque the flywheel down. Once you see the key this will make sense to you!

Hello! I watch your videos and posts on OMB! Thanks! For these engines to slip through the EPA for importation, the engines are really choked down on the intake and exhaust. When you open them up with a header and intake, we can increase the timing to get more power. This typically has a bigger effect at higher rpm's, but we have noticed better performance even with the governed engines. The stock timing is at 24 degrees...which is a bit lazy! There are no overheating issues associated with that as the additional fuel helps keep things cool! These engines need some heat in the head to make power. That is why the jetting is critical! Please let me know if you have additional questions

@@TheGrayGoatGarage Sweet! That's a great help.

Thanks! I am having fun playing in the Gray Goat Garage and hope to shed some light on different topics. Too much bad information out there! We are updating our new RU-vid channel as well! say tuned and watch us on Facebook live on Thursday evenings at 8PM Eastern time. I am starting my GX200 build this week. I will be boring the block to 2.815 and using a Predator crank for a little more stroke. Big valves, a lot of cam and 1.3 ratio rockers are in the works. I need to beat up some young kids with this one!

Nope

My name is Eric Adams and I am on Facebook. You can always tag me. If I was accepting “grease” I would be a millionaire! I answer questions just about every day regardless if I am on the clock or not!

I use this tool I designed www.ombwarehouse.com/3-4-crankshaft-holder-tool.html

Use a bigger hammer! 🤓 It is all about shocking the parts and not how hard you hit it! Make sure to pull out with a big screwdriver to remove the endplay and then give it a decent shot with a heavy hammer Small hammers do not shock it enough! Good luck!

Hello, If you have the governor intact, you may not need the 18# springs. The stock springs are 10.8# and the valves may float at 5000 rpm's. However, the Chinese springs are inconsistent and you may get valve float earlier than that. The stock timing is very lazy at 28 degrees BTDC. The 8 degree key will get you to 32 degrees BTDC and will help that engine make more power. I always install the key! Please let me know if you have additional questions

@@TheGrayGoatGarage some guy told me not to install key until i get billet parts?

LOL...with a billet flywheel, you can use the stock key as the flywheels come with 32 degrees of advance. If you are using the stock flywheel, it is not mandatory. but it will help. IOt all depends u.pon the intended use of the engine. Most people don't install the 8 degree key as they are intimidated with removing the flywheel. If you plan to use a billet flywheel in the future, don't worry about it right now

@@TheGrayGoatGarage i hear you lose bottom end?

@@TheGrayGoatGarage and thx for setting it str8 :) illl wait on springs until i remove gov

It appeared to work in this video. Magic you say ?

@@tristanwwsd appeared ? He doesn’t show it ?