Follow Recoil in Counter Strike 2 is Broken 

This better not be an April’s fools joke Edit: Okay I will buy cute plushie

very cute plusch

why are people not using the default crosshair here. there is no tickrate. there is no reason to be static or "classic" anymore. especially with weapon gap. especially with follow recoil. Don't be afraid. Go into the light. lol

THIS IS NOT AN APRIL FOOLS JOKE, I forgot what day it was lol. Too busy with CS2 to do April Fools joke stuff.

yo i cant play the beta. thanks for reminding me i can at least do this on my own server and see how that does go.EDIT: I play inverted. So, it's like a touchy subject push button explosive topic over most people. I cannot wait for cs2.

Yeah man, I've lost count of how many "S1mple's" I've destroyed with my Nova3 skills hahahahaha

I would leave immediately to not embarrass myself by how much I'd die to them

yeah and he also had m4 howl

@@AshliBlattgold you will never improve that way, as a faceit lvl 9 i know id get my ass handed to me, but id try my best and after it watch the demo to see where i fucked up, playing against the best is a great way to point out your own mistakes, maybe thats because im way to competitive in everything i do in life even if i only do it for fun, for exemple when i get home from work instead of jumping into a lobby ill warmup for at least 2 hrs and practice everyday, and because i have a very limited time to play i end up only playing 1 or 2 comps a day, ive been doing it since i started playing cs back in 2021

@@braulioxDify Yea I don't really care about getting super good at the game, pros dedicate a lot of their life to the game and you can't really compete with that unless you do the same. I respect pros for getting as good as they do but I don't really even want that, tbh.

Use recoil master workshop map.

So true. In Apex weapons have different spray patterns, and even though the crosshair follows the spray, practicing and knowing spray pattern pattern still helps massively.

​@@ILikeTuwtles he already said praticing in an aim map like a recoil master workshop takes a lot of time and grinding . So the follow recoil option is a good one to understand the recoil of weapons for new players and they can have fun in games like competitive or casual or deathmatch instead of just getting into an aim map grinding for hours and the best thing to have fun there is maybe play some music for hours

Still, recoil loses a bit of its predictability if you move and then stand still again all while spraying (which is a very natural thing to do). This makes it much easier to be accurate with those shots. I don't think it should be in the game, at least not on a pro level. I still don't understand why Valve bases so much of their decisions on the matchmaking experience instead of the pro scene.

@@the_bottomfragger Because the pro scene is just 1-2% of the game. Matchmaking makes up the majority of the game - therefore if they are to make a lot of their changes to the game, it'll be for that part of the game considering that it is the part most players actually play. If you want to see a game that listened 100% to pros, and pros only - look at Halo 5 vs any Halo before it (excluding 4).

what you mean is lowers the floor

@@pottyputter05 how can you know what a ceiling is if you don't know what a floor is :D

​@@pottyputter05Raises, since the base level of skill that a new player has is now higher, and it does that while improving accessibility, which is something that CS desperately needs at the competitive level. The amount of stuff you have to learn outside the game is insane.

Very wild that people are so against the feature.

​@@pottyputter05 If a floor and a ceiling are brought closer together, that's done by either a lower ceiling or a higher floor.

The good players have put time and effort into practice and learning the spray patterns and how to spray transfer. The skill of those who train and improve should always show. Meaning those who don't try to learn shouldn't be as good. Cs is a very skill based game aside from awping, the good players should always be the better players and the bad players shouldn't have a crutch or a tool to help them keep up with the good players. That literally just voids the good players' hard work, time, and effort.

@@ikari3916 Or it raises the skill ceiling as now there are more people able to compete pushing the net skill level higher. Bringing the rest of the community up to where what used to be a midground means the net skill of the community raises. The people that put in the time and effort will still have the advantage, just that much more knowledge, muscle memory and match experience. IMO complaining about this is like complaining about the aim assist that console players get in shooters when pc players still dominate them consistently anyway. It helps the bottom percentiles while not changing much at the highest or at worst it ends with a few more players into that top section of the game, making everyone at the top have to get better to maintain their spot. This increases competition, which will drive the skill level to the ceiling faster. We see this is every competitive scene whether it be pvp or time trials, give enough depth to keep it interesting to the top players so they feel good about the skills while also drawing in more people who may now join that high echelon.

@Carson Ryan please explain something to me because I don't fully understand. How does adding an assisting mechanic such as this, a mechanic that several pros and long term experienced players are saying makes CS2 "more accessible" (because they're too scared to say easier), raise the skill ceiling? If a mechanic is bringing the skill level of lower players a little bit higher in order to keep up, wouldn't that mean that the ceiling stays the same while the floor rises? In which case is closing the skill gap?

@@ikari3916 in the start yes but the long run will lead to higher. The analogy I could give you is something like chess, the best player from 60 years ago would be crushed by a player today not only because of the tools that the top players now have access to but also the caliber for the opponents. If you are say Simple, or on that level, and now the collective skill of the community raises due to the average player being able to control spray better, which means that you now have tougher opponents to face off against which requires you to get better to stay on top. The skill ceiling in this case is shifting focus more towards the actual tactical and reaction time skills which are already insane at the pro level. Another way to look at it is if everyone in bronze can actually hit their targets that means to get into high ranks you need to have good game sense, tactics, communication and all the other important aspect of comp shooters.

@Carson Ryan I feel like chess is a bad example as the game is unchanged. Players came up with new strategies and became more adaptable. Where as cs is adding an assistant tool for our lower end players. I'd also like to point out that players can have high level game sense and be held back by bad aim. But a lack in one or the other, in my opinion, likely results in a skill lock around gold or MG. Anyhow my point is simply just that adding an assistant to help players aim only raises the skill ceiling and could possibly upset our higher level players. In many ways. On the same team or not I can see it being frustrating to play with players who heavily utilize the mechanic. Although it for sure is not enough to carry people out of "mid or mid high" level games, it can still be a bit frustrating. Do I particularly care if the mechanic is in or not? No. Not really. But I do think it's not a good idea.

Honestly I think that the negev will be nerfed bc of it tho, not the other way around

well yeah, because no older player changed to aug and sg when they figured out they were op. oh, wait.

@@Matt-vd9bc Is it really that advantageous? It's not like people didn't understand the spray pattern of the negev until this feature allowed them to actually see it.

@@8is I think a lot of players are going to be embarrassed that they don't fall into the group of people who knew spray patterns well enough that the feature's useless to them. Kinda like when the smartpistol informed a bunch of people they were terrible at titanfall.

New players means more money? Bro you were a new player one time too

You can see the bullets too, but you a bullet behind

@@Dietr1ch they are too fade, hard to see, except in Negev.

@@sety5591 csgo2 tracers are much more visible

People were crying about ov2 and they praise this shit

and its a setting available to everyone, if you prefer 4:3 you go your hardest, but you dont get to complain when someone on 16:9 sees someone you dont

Yea and that’s why we have random spray deviation, so bots like you can easily hit heads with bad aim control. For same reason, pros would never get full control of aim in this game (like in quake, for example). That’s why this video and feature is are both pointless, nobody would actually use it more than one-two hours for lolz. Mostly random pattern-ish spray with instant time to kill for heads (while hitting heads with random spray deviation) - is 3nd game-seller feature in cs go. 2nd is easy access, 1st is gambling hell

@@user-wv4ms4qs4j bro you're so badass are you a pro player?

@@user-wv4ms4qs4j nah ur spitting bro, this is nowhere near better than recoil master map tbh lmao

​​@@user-wv4ms4qs4jI agree. I _hate_ CSGO's RNG bullet bloom, it adds nothing to the game. The only guns that should have random deviation are hip-fired sniper rifles.

i mean you could just fullauto dumb a whole magazine of a weapon in to a wall and see the spread but yeah..y i get it some people just need to find any excuse

I think it'd be good to keep it for casual modes - practice with it in things like skirmishes and deathmatch, but be forced to use that muscle memory in competitive. to me that's the perfect compromise.

There are types of engagements and firing that you dont learn even with thousands of hours of play because they are generaly suboptimal normaly that this shit enables super hard that will have to be balanced for. Especialy for the smgs and negev and burst firing the rifles for 3-5 rounds. I learnt the halfway point for the sg spray and being able to nail that headshot easier mid spray is going to be nuts for spraying down multiple opponents that miss their first shots.

Nth can feel more random than god damn Valorant, at the mercy of RNG throughout Even the first shot isnt as accurate, even with counter strafe

@@Vonmoonlight once again, you guys actually can't stop mentioning Valorant, Riot is living rent free in your head at this point :D BTW, first shot accuracy is wayy better in Valorant, making tap shooting and bursts a way more reliable style than in CS

​@@maxwell_edison why? Anyone can use it anyway

Exactly, great players don't need this feature + tapping/bursting is already more advantageous at higher levels

Well said. I honestly can't wrap my head around "should this be removed?" No? I don't see the purpose of removing it. It isn't changing the skill ceiling at all, it literally just helps newer/lower-skill players understand how the spread works. Wanting this removed feels like ultra gatekeeping imo.

I dont think it changes the skill floor atall memorizing patterns is somthing that just takes time its not really a skill anyone can do it really good aimers in games tend to be very good at reactionary aiming and this just allows them to transition to the game with a ractionary style

@@fica1137 Getting an double kill or even triple kill by spray transferring will no longer be as impressive as in csgo.

@@ForTheOmnissiah Getting an double kill or even triple kill by spray transferring will no longer be as impressive as in csgo.

Agreed, when I first downloaded the game I had no idea recoil was even a thing, I just though weapons fired in a cone based on the default cross hair. It took research on the internet to figure out the case, because when was I gonna find a blank wall in the middle of a match and empty a mag at it.

@@nak_0519 I've played for a few hundred hours and I still feel lost firing certain weapons like the Galil and FAMAS. This would help tremendously. Not to mention like WarOwl said, this kind of thing makes using SMGs fucking deadly. I'm all for it. This is a smart change. The mechanics remain the exact same, they have just boosted accessibility, meaning more people will play.

I agree in that aspect, which is why it should only be allowed in a pre game training area like valorant has.

​@@OsaculnenolajO agreed, I've played this game for 15 years and still don't know the patterns. Accessibility not just for newbs, but for casuals.

Maybe it should only be an option in practice maps? Otherwise I think it might lower the skill ceiling.

now you can finally learn the game while paying it instead of having o train for it like wtf

M249 becomes usable??!!

Bro this is so true. I never bothered with famas for example. It will be cool to get better with thoose

@@runek100screw famas this shit turns every SMG into a death machine

Will definitely help new players learn spray patterns, which is one of the biggest hurdles you have to get over as a player just getting into this genre.

@@8is when I first starting playing cs I had no clue where my bullets were going and didn’t know how the recoil worked. This would have helped so much

Bruhh shoot a full mag into a wall and you will know... people are getting dumber year by year lol

Definitely needs to be kept in game "What You See Is What You Get"

what if this feature can only be used in casual mode?

good point

This is what spray training maps have done. I'm not saying drawing on see through paper all your life is a problem. I just don't think you should stick to the training wheels.

@@jemlap I think you missed the point in my post where i said when i satrted free handing the drawing, i was alot better. Didnt say to use it forever, use it to catch up in terms of skill and muscle memory then you wont need it anymore.

@@GAMEPRO24X the problem is that they are training the wrong things. Memorising and offsetting the spray on moving targets over different distances is very different to moving a dot to a target.

@@GAMEPRO24X They are different skills. Tracing gives you line control, it won't teach you about the body or any core art fundamentals, therefore tracing people is actually useless. Even for line control you should just draw simple shapes with your arm and your wrist to build confidence, that's what those circle spreadsheets are for. That's why every school that's worth a damn for long as we can remember makes you go to live drawing sessions, specially nudes. Having to look and deduce engages the spatial part of your brain, forces you to understand shape, form, light, how to simplify it, how to represent it in a paper, that's what's called learning. Tracing is counterproductive, teaches you bad habits and handicaps you in the long run, it's a bad idea and if your teacher said that, he shouldn't be a teacher in the first place. Just from a psychological point of view it makes no sense, frustration to be an artist, that's how you improve, no frustration, no improvement. If you're tracing, you won't have that in the first place, so you'll tend to get stuck in progress regardless. In the same way, using these training wheels won't help you. I can't believe I'm having this convo when this was already discussed in the past 20 years since there are games who do this from the start. What newbies tend to do in systems like this is react to the crosshair instead of learning it, which is counterproductive. Yes eventually they can get it down, but since they don't "understand it" as soon as they stop playing the game they'll completely forget it and have a relearn period when they come back. Where's a CS veteran can stop playing, come back and he will still know the pattern, just has to adjust one thing or two because the muscle memory is rusty. It's not to say you can't learn anything by tracing or using the crosshair like this, you probably can, it will just take 10x the time since you're brute forcing it. I'm from the game industry and I've seen 16y old intern kids draw, paint and design better than 30 year old ones with double the experience. Usually people say it's talent, but then you look closely you realize it's not, it's discipline. It's the same with CS or any other skillset, I know people who play since 1.6 religiously every day and are gold, and I also know people who play 2-3 games per month and are high up on faceit. No discipline, no progress and this tool does not encourage discipline. What the tool does however is make it clear how recoil works for newcomers. That's a good thing, if you're not aware, you can't learn it.

Not really lmao

it will since weapons would be broken like the MAC10 you can sprint into site and dink the guy twice in the head after stopping for a second

I think Valve is preparing the game for new weapons. This, combined with the loadout feature, makes me think they're gonna add new weapons in order to increase variety. Imo, that's a good thing. The game is quite stale with the same weapon being used for like 75% of rounds.

@@Ash-my4gf🤓

And everyone is already calling for this feature to be removed entirely or banned in competitive. CS players are so closed-minded and adverse to change it's almost comical.

​@@qu1253yeah I don't get it. Like you still need to know the pattern, because it kicks so much. But for me it is great to to know exactly when I am lacking. Great tool

​@@runek100it kicks so much? lol i had CS players play pubg and they where crying recoil is unrealistic..CS is trash, bullet doesn't leave the barrel, sights don't follow the gun barrel. Physics RIP. Also these CS player couldn't handle random pubg recoil, they just learn one movement. It's stupid

@@St0RM33 in cs, it is skill to learn sprey pattern. In PUBG it is random, so 1v1 is just about luck. Just enjoy that

​@@runek100 no random meaning the "pattern" is not identical each time you shoot except the first bullet. As long as you are good and can compensate you can control a full mag dump; some guns easier than others of course. It's full skill. CS devs need to go one day on a gun range. Guns have foking sights for a reason. You don't look where your bullet landed IRL. The fact that there is no ADS just shows how trash of a game design it is. They should have kept CSGO and make CS2 as a new modern game. Big mistake.

Exactly!

thanks I appreciate it! I am working hard to get new content out to you guys regularly during the limited test until you guys can all play the game.

@@TheWarOwl you were here for us back in 2012 ,you are here for us again,legend!

@@TheWarOwl we love you Mr. WarOwl!

Isn't warowl the favourite CS everything creator?

@@patanjalilemonsquashimmortal no 3kliks is better sometimes

The Thing ist this Feature was in csgo to but i think Not usable in Matches. The yprac recoil Training map Had it

I'm a "learn by playing" type of guy too, and I had no issues learning recoil patterns. You just gotta get in the habit of pulling down while shooting and eventually you'll figure it out.

@Aidan Eaglesfield Fwiw on Valorant guns: There mostly isn't a big spray pattern. Just pull down a little and if your burst is more than four bullets it probably should've being tap fired. It's one of the big differences between Val and CS.

Yeah let's add aim assist too then

@Aidan Eaglesfield i mean you can still play csgo without knowing the ak spray pattern or any patterns. you dont even have to spray tho

yea, (in CSGO) I saw streamer bind keys to change crosshair, for example they use big crosshair for lining up grenade throw, and small one for shooting. Also, I notice that this "follow recoil" crosshair missing spread/accuracy indicator, like for example if we switch to shotgun on the old dynamic crosshair, it follows the size of the shot, rather than being "accurate" like WarOwl says.

@@sety5591 with a massive crosshair that's inverted and changes size based on shooting, you might be able to get away with making an "area" spray pattern and see the whole range where a bullet may land

Why would you need a dynamic Crosshair in when your Crosshair stays perfectly on target anyway. Unless you wanna do it to meme

This is one of the best inprovements so far

​@@kerb7555it's for recoil and movement inaccuracy

This. It's still hella random when you consider gun error over large distances, spray error and movement error during rushes. To me it still feels awkward compared to faster FPS games. But it is sooo much better to finally have feedback whats happening and not having to grind spray pattern maps with special console commands.

Yeah that’s just assuming ur standing still with 100% accuracy. Most guns once you add anything like movement penalties just have RNG added too

It would be cool if they just had it in death match and casual play then have it turned off for competitive play. It would be like warthunder then.

​@@user-qm9ub6vz5e why would it need to be turned off in comp? Personal preference

@@ridi7154 Well, one could make the argument that it stifles skill expression, which is an important factor of competitive play.

@@ridi7154 it’s an aim assist. Competitive is supposed to be about raw skill and showing that off. Also lowers the skill gap which creates a less diverse rank spread and experience. You should be rewarded for learning all the spray patterns and are able to do that with no assist.

Will definitely help new players learn spray patterns, which is one of the biggest hurdles you have to get over as a player just getting into this genre.

@@8is learning spray patterns is the whole point of the game at times, making it easier is not a good move. its really a shame that they are making this game easier for new players...

​@@raydare2002 Why isn't making things easier to learn better? It's not like those who know spray patterns are at a disadvantage if they don't use this feature

@@raydare2002 This isn't just for the new players. It would also make it easier for already experienced players to learn new spray patterns, which is the main thing keeping people to stick with the same few guns they actually know how to use. The point of the game isn't to be hard to learn, the point is to allow you to apply the skills you've learned. This feature isn't that advantageous as any player who knows the spray pattern will simply counteract the spray pattern with or without an extra indicator to show where they are in the spray pattern. You have always been able to use the tracers to do just that, this feature is just the logical conclusion of that.

@@fica1137 because part of this game is struggling to become better, everything from recoil to movement to map knowledge. Giving new players an out of one of those aspects is making the game easier in totality, which is not good.

Yeah, no need for community maps to train your recoil that new players don't even know exist. It would also make it easier for already experienced players to learn new spray patterns, which is the main thing keeping people to stick with the same few guns they actually know how to use.

I would spray and pray for the first 200hours of my playtime

Lol that one community map with all the spray patterns drawn out. Spending so many hours and barely learning anything

How did it take you 2000 hours to figure recoil in csgo out, sounds like those guys with thousands of hours stuck in silver

It was so frustrating at first thinking my crosshair was on the enemy and then dying and seeing I didnt hit them once.

Personally, if it stays in the game, I'm sure I'll add a keybind to toggle it on and off. I'm thinking there's a high likelihood that it will be a nuisance in some cases but a lifesaver in others.

@@AresFordwin Actually, thats genius! Imagine playing long-medium ranges (mid mirage or long A on d2) and be able to hit effortlessly with an AK/ M4. I am mg1, sometimes I start to spray and get lost on where my spray is going. This might be a super helpful / almost broken.

@@filiperss9388 before they disabled multi-binds, I had it so that only the first slot weapons had the recoil crosshair on while the pistols had it disabled because they didn't feel right with it on

Exactly. I tried it for 3 days and would almost never hit headshots, my fights were much longer because I tried controlling a full spray hitting the body. I turned it off and started doing MUCH more headshot kills again. Its a distraction like you said.

“You’re just closeminded” is a dumb cop-out response to anyone criticizing stupid unnecessary changes.

@@TJ__23 You’re just closeminded

​@@TJ__23 It's just that CS players are hilariously closed-minded to the point that it's absurd. Say, SG needed Valve to drop its price to make pro players, people earning their living from playing the game, to try out the weapon after 5 years or so, and realize it's way better than guns they otherwise bought. Say, add "unbind take silencer off" option to prevent misclicks is an accessibility feature that in CSGO community gets fierce opposition. People there also argue that "punishing clicking mouse2 increases skill ceiling". Like, most competitive online game scenes are toxic, but CSGO is on a whole another level when it comes to hostility displayed against any change that could possibly be construed as helping someone learn or enjoy the game.

@@gJonii It just doesn't feel like this change should exist in a competitive match. I would say it would be best to enable it for deathmatch and casual so people can learn the spray patterns there and disable it for competitive so people can put their practice to the test. Competitive games are all about skill expression, and maximising the amount of skill expression while retaining the fun is something CSGO has done well for a while, and should continue to do into CS2.

good

to see the recoil, will make recoil easiely. = people will more spray and less one tap

then learn the spray pattern not every game needs to be easy

but people spent hours and hours to practice their recoil and a new guys comes in and has perfect recoil it makes the game less rewarding and lowers the skill difference. what is the point of a game where everyone is equally good

@@randomguy-of4ps because recoil is not the only thing that makes counter strike amazing if people learn that they can get to learning things like better util usage, counter strafing , timing , rotations ,map knowledge and movement causing the game to be more interesting

@@randomguy-of4ps "I suffered so others have to."

And ultimately they’ve still gotta control the recoil and with enough time it’ll just become muscle memory anyways

That's one of the reasons i'm glad they've disabled advanced binds, i don't have the time or patience to learn how to make scripts for advanced key binds which will always give me a disadvantage against someone who does. New players will be especially disadvantaged if they don't know about console commands and key binds outside of the default list.

As I saw the footage from the MAC-10 now, i believe SMGs are going to be way too ez to handle with this change. Now, it's mostly a risk buying an SMG, because the spray is kinda weird and it's especially hard over long distances. If that's the case, that SMGs get much better for long-distances, you will see many player sticking to their UMPs etc for long times of the match. I believe they will either be nerfed to levels of the revolver, basically only memeguns. Otherwise they will make them more expensive, which makes the second round basically useless, bc it's either shotguns or pistols fighting AKs/M4s or OP SMGs. As where now, you have the chance to buy a SMG and get a AK even after losing the pistol round.

​@@maxnaz47 it takes 5 minutes and a google search to make a jump bind

@@TheAleritr smgs are already barely used in many second rounds, because an ar is much better. If your enemy has armour, helmet and an ar, buying an smg, even if you know the recoil pattern perfectly, is still a major disadvantage. This change doesn't really make the smgs better. It allows lower skill players to pull off the same stuff that a more experienced player can. However, this isn't done through dumbing down game mechanics (such as removing skill jumps), but by offering info that previously was still available, but if you spent time looking for it. In other words, it doesn't take away the need for skill, just opens options for more people. Fine line there, but with this change, I doubt it's a bad one.

Yeah, I had to play for quite some time to get the "feeling" of sprey patrern. No I just adjust in real time in dm. And you still need to know pattern to use it.

Yeah and absolutely spit on the amount many players spent getting a feel for the mechanics. I never was much of a gate keeper but this is idiotic. Next logical step is to give players an option to enable audible-only WH (yes this is a thing and it's pretty OP) because the game is that much inaccessible for deaf players While on it, lets add aimbot for people with hand impairments

@@F.M671 This right here kids is called a slippery-slope-argument in its most pure form, which is to be avoided at all costs unless you wanna make yourself look like a fool.

@@F.M671 Players who have spent hours learning the patterns will still have an advantage? This will just remove the mystery of "why aren't my bullets going where my crosshair is" for new players

Yeah let's add aim assist too then? Lol

@@NOU-iw3gb I said "without changing the actual mechanics". If you define the core mechanics of CS shooting as being the spray's departure from the crosshair then different story but personally I don't

I also avoided CSGO for a long time just because of that. Eventually I trained for the spray patterns and followed some guides, and while it's a mechanic I really dislike, I am proficient enough and I enjoy the competitive defuse mode. I wonder if with this feature it will feel a bit more enjoyable. I think WarOwl is also blowing it a bit too much out of proportion, the pattern is the same regardless, and tracers can be used as guidelines, plus it does not tell you how to compensate for movement or spread.

But this is a major reason why some of us play CS. The fact that you know something more than a noob and it's noob unfriendly. It's like Archlinux of games to me.

what do you mean? they dont like weapon recoil? huh?!

Facts, I was tempted to play this when it came out but this follow recoil is 100% making me play it. Better hit detection (hopefully) AND I get to see where my bullets are going.

So your friends dont play FPS at all? Because from what I'm understanding is that your friends don't play a game if it doesnt have a moving crosshair...?

Weapon not pointing towards where you shoot annoyed me so much

I wouldnt say theyre complicated, its just very unintuitive. Compared to all other fps games they do nothing to teach you and the base dynamic crosshair they give heavily implies random spray instead of a spray pattern. All the stuff that happens when spraying a gun is not easily noticed unless youre watching guides or doing spray practice maps from workshop.

I tried Counter-Strike and didn't continue to play because I got told it's a MINIMUM of 500 hours of play time just to become decent, and that even people in the lowest possible skill rankings are at 3,000+ hours (with FaceIt level 10s being in the 18,000+ hour range)... yeah, no thanks, I'm good. Maybe I could have gotten into Counter-Strike when I was in high school and didn't have any adult responsibilities, but now, that barrier to entry is just insurmountable.

@@qu1253 bro it's not that hard you don't need 3000 hours to be decent lol. whoever told you this is just bad at games in general

@@qu1253 who the hell told you that? i picked up the game quickly and was in master guardian by the 500 hr mark, by 1300 i was LEM/Supreme on the way to global before i quit. if it takes you anywhere near 3k hours to get to global than you just aren't cut out for the game, aren't really trying to get better, or just dont care.

@@qu1253 that's not true at all, I got level 10 at like 3-3.5k hours, which is fairly normal.

I hope this feature is only available in deathmatch and casual. But competitive they turn it off

i didn't know the rank was relevant

It’s already been in the game forever tho with the ~ console, they just made it more accessible

@@julianmanifan123 I put my rank there so that people wouldn't reply to me going "ahh of course a shitter wants this.". Otherwise it's completely irrelevant, as I said I've not played seriously in about 2 years.

How many hours do you actually have?

@@F.M671 like 410

This does not make any sense. I learned the recoil in the game without any maps. Is it our fault that people like you exist?

Surprisingly it's the other way around. CS originally had random spray patterns it was only after a few years into GO that it was changed to be fixed patterns

It would also make it easier for already experienced players to learn new spray patterns, which is the main thing keeping people to stick with the same few guns they actually know how to use.

@@8is Exactly. CS players are absolutely the anti-change grandpas of the FPS world, but I vividly remember telling my friends that the Krieg is super good when they were trying to get me into CSGO. Took them just 3 years to catch up, lol.

Keepit as a practice option, but not in ranked matches imo.

@@8is It’s actually more likely to help experienced players. Though it makes it easier for new players to learn sprays, the level of spray proficiency will increase for already established players and cancel out any benefit to the new players.

@@HeyAddieImTojo Gives no advantage, so why not. It's literally just a visual indicator and does not play the game for you, its not autoshoot or autoaim.

u noob

Same, I've been playing since 1.5 and have barely played CS in the past 3 years because I fell off skill-wise when it came to spraying (I refuse to train), hopefully this'll help me learn as I play the game instead of having to open up some workshop map and bore myself to tears

@@yessir6427 Well, sorry for not being a lifeless 8000 hours player.

Absolute bs, having a social life and playing cs?

@@lmao1660 you’re getting it twisted, I got out and actually have a somewhat decent social life for the modern era. Now I’m relapsing and bringing 3 new people and another former player with me 😂

@@st1ngplays well rip, hope to see ya in cs2 XD

this

i understand this point, but i feel the recoil in cs is very much an important mechanic so it is a tough call

​@@michaellee8853 it doesnt change recoil

@@ridi7154 true, it just indicates the area where the bullet will land on.

This is my sentiment, doesn't close the skillgap at all. It just helps people improve their skill faster.

I think it is a more engaging way of learning recoil. Instead of shooting a wall. It definitely makes learning recoil easier. It lowers barriers of entry, doesn’t control recoil for you, only shows you the pattern and where to go

I feel the same. It changes the game from CS to something washed over. Hard shooting mechanics are my favorite things about cs

@@dragonslayerlight3888 i guess we'll see how it shakes out but i'm pretty sure it's just gonna become the new meta so you HAVE to have it enabled.

@@vukvidanovic8276 yeah there are already so many casual games that people can enjoy, CS is iconic BECAUSE it's hard to learn.

@@jabbedia maybe have it turned off for competititve, and for casual/deathmatching you can have it on for practice. I guess time will tell if it is too broken or not.

Guess they want to test it for a bit to see how the community feels about it. It's a beta after all, so it might be removed again with release or kept in.

Yea I have been using a recoil crosshair with cheats in csgo and it takes away the guesswork and makes spray transfers hella easy.

that was the original idea for the video, but DMs are empty in Limited Test :(

If you watch the video, he talks about Deathmatch lobbies being empty...

@@TheWarOwl they should really let more people in the test

Volvo might already be collecting data on it

Yeah this is good

Good idea yeah

Nothing wrong with it being in both casual and comp. Seperating it just creates more issues.

tbh casual itself should be removed. Unranked should replace casual

putting it behind sv_cheats 1 would make more sense I think

now I want cases to be what you see is what you get... glove case gives gloves clutch case gives clutches friend case gives friends....

Let's add aim assist too then.

@@NOU-iw3gb this ain't d2, thank the lord

@@NOU-iw3gb if its on console then sure.

or if they have good aim, can just tap.....

@@stevesmith7843You can't just "tap" all the time, dunce

@@applejuice9468 you quite literally can.

@@applejuice9468 unless you're right up on someone, if you have this thing called "good aim" you actually can tap, n let off 1-3 shots, and kill people really quickly and easily.

Flowery language Still wrong Discarded Play games for kids

@@KeksimusMaximus cope and seethe also read a thesaurus

@@josephs.3372 Cope - seethed Thesaurus - readed Opinion - discarded (You're bl🤮ck)

Completely agree. Finally, after all these years, CS will play as it always should have, imo.

@@KeksimusMaximusSo for example tarkow is game for kids? because there is used system shoot goes to the direction gun is pointed