I know this just a show but, after reading countless manuals and pouring over the actual Apollo contingency plans. They did very good like, it's unreal.
Are you kidding me? What's depicted here has excatly ZERO in common with a normal LM abort! Read up on Apollo 10 to see how this would actually play out. Spoiler: with basically ZERO drama.
@@stanislavkogan who said anything about normal? Was anything normal on Apollo 13 there bud? No it wasn't but the show does portray the same level of thinking and problem solving skills Houston and the Apollo crews had.
Actual procedure (after doing the pre ascent checklist and running LGC program 12): S/C Roll, Pitch, Yaw ----> Mode Cont ED Master Arm ----> ON HE Press ascent ----> OPEN ASC HE VALVE REG 1 ----> OPEN Mode Selector Switch ----> PGNS ENG ARM ----> ASCENT Mode CTRL PGNS, AGS ----> AUTO At T-35 seconds to ignition ABORT STAGE BUTTON ----> PUSH At T-5 seconds LGC Displaying V99. LGC PRO push //// Of course that they need a little bit of drama it would be boring to watch some guys reading through 6 checklists or if the LEM Ascent Stage just takes off no problem, but it is still very realistic.
See and The Morning Show are good. Ted Lasso is supposed to be good, I haven't watched. Some other good shows, just not a lot of em oh, also Servant and Defending Jacob. The tom hanks movie is also good.
@@dalethelander3781 exactly what i did, though my month ended literally a day before the finale, so i had to stream it from a website 😂😂 gonna re do it once season 3 releases too
For those who don't know, this is from an alternate history show where Apollo 11 crash landed on the moon and the USSR beat the US to the moon, making the space race continue for far longer. [Edit: some of my info was inaccurate]
Correction, space race simply continues. USSR here only landed first on the moon. And while in our timeline race was indeed over with US Apollo missions, it continues in For All Mankind.
@@bigguy7537 Space race was about matching and overcoming the rival. While it can be argued that race was over with Apollo-Sayuz, fact remains that US won it already with crewed lunar missions which Soviets never managed to achieve.
If the multiverse is real and there's infinite possibilities and every version possible of everyone and everything exists I refuse to believe there's a version where Neil Armstrong isn't a badass
Neil said the 'Eagle has wings' after the LM had undocked from Columbia in orbit on the way to landing, not after landing. He said 'the Eagle has landed' after touchdown, but perhaps that's what you meant.
No matter what ifs I think we would agree that Grumman's Lunar Module is a wonderful machine -never let anyone down - did their job and carried the humans safely to and from the Lunar surface.
@@robrussell5329 And the Grumman engineers. I used to work for Grumman (Flight Test) and one of the guys I worked with had worked at Grumman back when Apollo 13 happened. They LOCKED the doors on the room all of the LEM engineers worked in. You were not allowed out, except to use the bathroom, and you were escorted by an armed guard. Nobody left that room until they'd jettisoned the LEM. All of the stuff you see them 'figuring out' at NASA in the movie? Yeah, that was actually the engineers at Grumman. But they decided to make Grumman the 'bad guys' in that movie by having the Grumman rep act like a whiner.
@@vanstry. I read Tom Kelly’s book and when he got the call early in the morning, he headed over to Grumman right away planning to call everyone when he got there. He was amazed to see people already there or just arriving like him. Pretty amazing dedication. On the other hand, over at North American, there was already finger pointing going on about who was at fault.
Wow, just love this. Audio on this vid is not great, but the use of the Stones "Street Fightin' Man" perfectly captures the time (1969), and somehow embodies the enormous American national pride that existed then during the space program. Seems we've since lost that. Hopefully we can regain it again...
USA is a degenerate empire in decline. Even the music... rap? Since when did any musical form remain static for 50 years? Rap is cornball and should be eschewed by the young generation.
Forget about gimbal lock. The Apollo lunar module used a strapdown system in its backup Abort Guidance System (AGS). That system had a strapdown IMU, and these IMU's don't have gimbals. The AGS was good enough to get Apollo 13 back home.
Would have been a real 'interesting' time if that happened in reality. - Give it time, I saw the actual first steps on the Moon 🌒, live, in black & white. + I may live to see something like this happen, possibly in 3D colour & surround sound.
@@robrussell5329 If their N-1 had worked, they had a chance to at least orbit the Moon like Apollo 8. But with N-1 failures, that ended the race for the Moon.
The LM would have taken off pretty routinely from that angle, but if it had at any point turned upside down a few feet from the lunar surface, they'd have been done for. The LM computer was programmed to zero the pitch, roll and yaw angles on take off to prepare for a forward pitchover to pick up forward speed for orbital velocity. Also, the take off was initiated by the computer from a countdown which the pilot would confirm in the final five seconds with the PRO button on the DSKY, unless they'd used the abort switch, which was a push-button. They would certainly not have been pushing levers.
No levers, but the maximum safe angle for the LM was considered to be twelve degrees; any more than that and they couldn't guarantee that it wouldn't flip when the ascent stage motor fired. Apollo 15 landed with one leg in a crater and ended up at eleven degrees, which caused some degree of concern but turned out to be not a problem.
Thanks - your comment confirmed the reasons for my visceral reaction watching this! As one who witnessed the Apollo landings and returns on TV in the 60’s and 70’s, it only occurred to me RIGHT NOW just how insanely weird and difficult piloting an asymmetrically shaped LM with no control surfaces for the FIRST TIME in a low-gravity and zero atmospheric environment must have been! Immediately on separation, my heart constricted in fear of a capsized LM plowing into the lunar surface.
@michaelfox3259 The good news is that even when they were flying it manually the computer made constant adjustments to keep the pitch, roll and yaw inside a deadband of 0.5 or 5 degrees as selected by the pilot. The only time an aggressive maneuver was made with no computer assistance was on Apollo 13, because the computer had to be shut down after the accident to save power. In this maneuver, Jim Lovell stopped the LM pitching off axis and Fred Haise stopped it rolling off axis with the other controller. If the yaw axis drifted it didn't matter since that wouldn't change the thrust vector.
@DesiArcy It would only ever flip if it was gimbal locked, which is to say the pitch, roll and yaw axis were lined up to zero degrees, in which case the cosine would be zero and cause a division by zero error in the computer. This was circumvented by having the computer shut down the attitude control if it got within five degrees of gimbal lock, and wait for new measurements to be input by the pilot. If this did happen on take off, it's highly probable the crew would be done for, since by the time they'd corrected the problem they'd be so wildly off course they'd be hard pressed to achieve a stable orbit, and even then would most likely be beyond rescue by rhe command module.
@@c0unt_WAVnsteinFuel leaning to the side will cause misalignment between center of gravity and center of thrust, and the violent roll will cause fuel to slosh, then you get into a situation where center of gravity is constantly changing. IIRC, NASA actually considered this and astronaut will use manual control in this situation since guidance computer can't compensate for this scenario (constantly and rapidly changing center of gravity due to fuel slosh). Try fill a bottle to 2/3 full, then lean it 45 degrees to the side, the water will reveal misaligned CoM and CoT. Although you can eliminate this by completely filling the bottle, but rocket fuel tank are not fully filled for various reasons. Fuel slosh definitely exist on Apollo 11 since this had caused premature low fuel indication during nominal landing on 11 and 12. NASA has a paper about this.
Welp, if it was based on how I play KSP, the descent module would be a huge, grossly over engineered nuclear powered beast with enough delta-v to not just return to the command module, but going back to Earth and de-orbit so gently that a heat shield isn't even necessary. It would also have completely bankrupted NASA. :D NASA is a bit more cost effective than me.
Probably not. The most they could do was ask. They did not make those decisions. Besides, you don’t really want your best people going up every now and then.
Aldrin, maybe. Once he was first on the moon Armstrong wasn't going to fly again. How long did it take Glenn to do it and he had the pull of a US Senator going for him.
@@emsleywyatt3400 Aldrin was never going to fly again ever because of his purposeful choice to not shutoff the rendezvous radar when required which ultimately caused the 1201/1202 alarms on descent.
The legs probably weren't built to handle large lateral loads. The way the Eagle landed in the show likely broke one of the legs from excessive lateral forces, or maybe from knocking it sideways on one of the boulders strewn in Eagle's way. The show doesn't depict a nominal landing, but rather a controlled crash.
Apollo 15 landed in pretty much exactly the same position - on a crater rim with the descent engine bell on the surface. Apollo 15 had a more powerful engine on the descent stage and less ground clearance as a result. It wound up tilted at 11 degrees.
This kinda happened with Apollo 10. They had left something set wrong so when they ignited and separated the ascent stage at the end of their descent (they didn't land, did everything but) it went a little crazy straightening out. Not this much though..
This show, absolutely NAILED the depiction of all the American stuff, but absolutely faceplanted when it came to the Soviets. The second and third seasons are especially bad for this as they just kind of default to the Soviets being completely inept at everything like they have to steal all their technology from the Americans which, they didn’t do in real life, and they wouldn’t have to do if they beat the Americans to the moon and continued getting space race level funding. Buran in the second season is especially infuriating because it’s like someone went “oh yeah buran that looks like a shuttle so let’s do no further research” apparently they steal the entire design, boosters and all, even though they had their own Energia booster in real life. Don’t get me wrong I love this show it’s just so infuriating that they did literally no research into any Soviet stuff which means that they never got to show any of the really cool concepts the Soviets came up with.
@@davidhunter6706 that's not how the apoapsis is set, you have to turn sideways, I would love to see this basic aspect of orbit mechanics at least illustrated, like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9emezs0BBHQ.html
@@farel9476 you are correct, but watching the clip, they never show them going sideways, and present it to the audience like they just went straight up!
To me this was one of the most unrealistic effects sequences in the series, it would not have turned and went horizontal across the surface, it would have corrected to the proper attitude a few seconds after takeoff.
Tough to say but you're probably right. The ascent engine might be assumed to fly like cruise missles launched off a tilted launcher, but the ascent engine was not as strong as a terrestrial booster (1/6 gravity). The mass of the module may have tried to roll like a ball in a river, and the retros were going to be engaged after launch. However it is likely this was done for the knucklebiting scene. I tend to dislike alternate what ifs by Hollywood. They don't get real history anywhere near correct, so their what-if fake history is even whackier. Oddly enough, makingthis to show the USSR beating the US to the moon is praised. Showing the USSR winning the Cold War, or Germany winning WWII is praised with cable awards. Showing General Lee and Johnson beating Grant and McClellan and winning independence from the US in say 1864 or 1866 is verboten to even consider.
Yeah. It was too dramatic. Correct at first. But after it would've just pitched up to correct ( be it done by computer or manually. ) and off it'd go orbit.
Guys the hold down pins of the stage would have been damaged/pulled on the left side (in the video) causing the stage to hinge swing for a split sec before the other side pins released. The computers aren't meant to deal with such maneuvers.
@@seanholm8957 true... and the computer would have overloaded and need to be cycled manually. If Armstrong IRL wasn't the best LM simulator pilot in the world in 1969, then the Eagle likely would have crashed since they were having to reset the computer repeatedly all the way down. BTW that computer is not like a PC or tablet having to fully reload. Core and the registers held the program and data until manually cleared. Power cycling was more like modern hibernate. As it was he landed it manually so gently that he didn't crush the shock canisters in the legs at all. That's why the ladder was so high off the regolith, and he was so nervous about stepping off the ladder and pad. He wasn't sure he could get back up. Later missions compressed the cans, and some hit so hard they almost buried the ladder in the sand.
@@JSP_1147 That he might've known tidbits is irrelevant. And no, Grumman would not *have shown him. von Braun was not running the show in Mission Control.
Correct they could have just jumped up and down on the landing strut that was sticking up at the angle and it would have leveled the thing out so it's straight.
@@moviesgalore9947 I don’t think so, they are not massive enough, and it must have been on a slope. It would still require a fair amount of force even at lunar gravity. They are still as strong as on Earth though, 3 of them could do a 400kg lift.
Yeah the series would have been better had they gone full-on conspiracy and made the moon landings by the U. S. and Soviets total hoaxes. But then again it would have only gone one season (unlesss...dream sequence!)
Many people think there was only 1 moon landing and don't even believe that. This movie makes it even less believable. Fortunately, I know better. In real life it went a lot better, also with the 5 other Apollo missions that followed.
Every single spaceship sci-fi drama seems to hinge on the angle-of-the-dangle: Conquest of Space, Voyage to a Prehistoric Planet, etc, etc.........................
I've looked at the Apollo 11 footage and pictures hundreds of times. This is not the position that the LEM was in. Is this one of those alternate history/what if programs?
This video was made for fun. In reality, the takeoff was only broadcast live from Apollo 15 onwards. Leaving the moon went well on all 6 missions, but with great risk. The takeoff engine had never been tested!
@@n0rsca392 Hahahahah...no you can't. I've seen the "high resolution" shots and they are nothing more than imagination that some speck in the terrain = whatever FICTIONAL NASA artifact left behind. Google had a multi-million dollar reward for any company that could land on the moon. NASA _immediately_ told them no vehicle could enter into any of the FICTIONAL NASA land sites BECAUSE they don't exist. What NASA should have done if it REALLY did happen was allow ANY company to go in with their rover and photograph the NASA land sites. All other countries recently that have went around the moon claiming to have seen NASA land sites is nothing more than BLACK and WHITE 1960's recycled NASA videos.
@@JohneeTruther 1. There are over 8,000 photos available to the public of the moon landing missions. 2. There are thousands of hours of video too. 3. Hundreds of kilograms of lunar material that has been studied and verified by astronomers and geologists all over the world and showed chemical signs of being on the moon. 4. The LRRR data laser retroreflector arrays left by Apollo 11, and other subsequent Apollo missions, can still be interacted with today by using powerful enough lasers here on Earth. 5. The SELENE photos which show the damage to the lunar surface where we landed the Apollo missions. 6. The Chang'e 2 photos, which show the lander base and the flags. 7. Chandrayaan-2, which managed to photograph another Apollo lander base. 8. A group at Kettering Grammar School, using simple radio equipment, monitored Soviet and U.S. spacecraft and calculated their orbits. 9. Pic du Midi Observatory, which watched Apollo missions all the way to the moon. 10. The Lick Observatory observations during the return coast to Earth produced live television pictures broadcast to United States west coast viewers via KQED-TV in San Francisco 11. Larry Baysinger, a technician for WHAS radio in Louisville, Kentucky, independently detected and recorded transmissions between the Apollo 11 astronauts on the lunar surface and the Lunar Module. He could only detect messages FROM the lunar vehicles and not to them, cause the earth was between him and Huston. Also, backyard amateurs all around the world were able to tune in on the Apollo audio (not the video, that would have taken bigger hardware, but, the audio was easy) by pointing their Yagi and/or dishes at the moon. Hundreds (or maybe thousands?) of people in many countries did exactly that. 12. The Soviet Union, who monitored the missions at their Space Transmissions Corps, who's leader Vasily Mishin, in an interview for the article "The Moon Programme That Faltered", describes how the Soviet Moon programme dwindled after the Apollo landing. 13. The absurdity that thousands of people who worked on the Apollo missions would have to be kept silent for years and years without a single person coming forward to claim it was a fraud. 14. In October-November 1977, the Soviet radio telescope RATAN-600 observed all five transmitters of ALSEP scientific packages placed on the Moon surface by all Apollo landing missions excluding Apollo 11. Their selenographic coordinates and the transmitter power outputs (20 W were in agreement with the NASA reports. 15. Images taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter mission beginning in July 2009 show the six Apollo Lunar Module descent stages, Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package (ALSEP) science experiments, astronaut footpaths, and lunar rover tire tracks. These images are the most effective proof to date to rebut the "landing hoax" theories. Although this probe was indeed launched by NASA, the camera and the interpretation of the images are under the control of an academic group - the LROC Science Operations Center at Arizona State University, along with many other academic groups. At least some of these groups, such as the German Aerospace Center, Berlin, are not located in the US, and are not funded by the US government. 16. After the images shown here were taken, the LRO mission moved into a lower orbit for higher resolution camera work. All of the sites have since been re-imaged at higher resolution. Comparison of the original 16 mm 17. Apollo 17 LM camera footage during ascent to the 2011 LRO photos of the landing site show an almost exact match of the rover tracks. 18. Further imaging in 2012 shows the shadows cast by the flags planted by the astronauts on all Apollo landing sites. The exception is that of Apollo 11, which matches Buzz Aldrin's account of the flag being blown over by the lander's rocket exhaust on leaving the Moon. 19. Spain and Australia were 2/3rds of the DSN that received all of the TV broadcasts from the moon. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZK8wNoIc4Us.html 20. Dozens of tracking stations around the world (including from enemies) used radio telescopes to track all of the missions. You can find more info about this on MIT's site. The tracking was accurate to within 1 mile. 21. Spain had the largest telescope on Earth at the time, and used it to photograph the SIVB fuel dumps around the moon (which spanned out for miles, thus were visible to a large enough telescope), as well as the Apollo 13 debris and gas field (same dynamic). 22. There are more than 100,000 photos taken from lunar orbit. 23. The Jodrell Bank Observatory tracked the movements of the Eagle Lunar Module from the beginning of its descent clear down to the lunar surface by monitoring the doppler shift in its telemetry signal.
@@n0rsca392 No, one cannot Not even Hubble or James Webb. You are ignorant beyond belief. I bet your work shirt has your name on it and you drive a piece of s..t truck. Capitalize "Apollo"! Did you graduate HS?
This show continues to disappoint me. The LM could have taken off just fine at an angle like that, it was designed to. Milking non-facts for cheap melodrama. Lame.
The main ascent engine exhaust flame is invisible, as was seen (or not seen) during actual footage of the ascent. The thrusters are just for pointing the spacecraft, which is well within their thrust capabilities.
This video shows the upwards facing RCS thrusters firing during liftoff. In reality only the four downward facing and eight horizontal facing thrusters were enabled. This was because the upward facing thrusters would be opposing the ascent engine's thrust so they were not fired whenever the ascent engine was firing.
Why would a LM sitting at about 30 degrees suddenly go to 80 degrees when the ascent engine was fired. Oh yeah, its a TV show. In reality, it would stay at 30 and not need a pitch over!
No it to do with gravity The moon has 1/6th of the gravity Of earth and the engine caused it to change angle and the Reaction Control System RCS was used to angle the spacecraft to get back to orbit
I find three reasons for the need to pitch up 1) Orientation. The LEM has to be pointing the right way to get into the right orbit to rendezvous 2) Flight profile. The moon is big, so you have to ascend quite a bit before doing the gravity turn. 3) Stability. The landing could have damaged the separator, making a liftoff dangerously unstable without reaction control.
For those who don't know, the Russians never ever have put any humans on the moon. This according to known history, and worldwide intelligence services. Seems like an interesting series though, however trapped by one dispensing video outlet.
