So, it's easier for hero with lower HP pool to fill their revenge bar, and faster for the revenge to drain for them. Is it safe to assume that every hero gain revenge at the same rate in the same condition, but heroes with lower HP pool simply has a shorter revenge meter? Thus it take less revenge juice to fill their bar. Instead of you said that they gain more revenge from the same attack? ((x+120)/7.7)-((x+140)/9.2)=0 is solvable, thus revenge capacity could be some multiplier times base hp - some number. Just my thought, mathematically it works out.
I'm almost positive this is how it works. Having more HP does not change the raw number of 'revenge points' you gain per attack, rather having more HP means you have a larger bar, and therefore more 'revenge points' are needed to fill it. In game, all bars are the same size, which is why you see proportionally less of the visual bar fill up on a high HP hero.
One extra small info : If two people fight who both have revenge, GB immunity beats out GBs ignoring normal GB vulnerability rules, meaning that if you are in revenge, you cannot GB through attacks of an opponent who is also in revenge.
Ubi should place a link to this video on the home screen at this point, because this is a video that everyone needs to see. Very informational and straight to the point, thanks for this video Freeze
doesnt always work. its suppose to be like this but im pretty sure youve seen the 1v4s where people are constantly attacking and you got a guy parrying up to 5x and the revenge doesn't raise. there will be bugs in a game but its just too consistent here.
really wish the timers and tags were shown in game, even if it's just for yourself. Revenge is such a pivotal mechanic in this game that it deserves to be visible.
Honestly the idea of revenge popping instantly sounds like a good idea as it removes the scenario of "But I pressed the button!?!", it would fix revenge holding AND you could focus more on the actual gank rather than having a less to fight that has to hover over the revenge button.
The only thing i didn’t really know was that when your opponents have equal or more tags they don’t feed. I knew everything else from previous freeze videos anyway though, so, great job!
I posted a reddit post about how revenge should go down after about ten seconds of holding, and most people complained that this would make revenge incredibly weak, I argued and argued, but this is reddit so no winning that one. Revenge holding is a problem especially in team fights.
2 things I want 1. An option that autopops revenge when you get while low on health 2. Everyone who gave you revenge gets that nuxia feat where they cant roll away when you pop it
At this point Ubi should just have your channel link on For Honor's main menu. Excellent work and thank you. The format for tags was incredibly helpful.
Does the whole ‘holding revenge by locking onto heroes’ thing work when locking into non-hero characters such as officers, guardian and commander in breach?
Yes any unit that you can manually lock on to either that be an opponent handled by a real person or AI(enemy bots, officers, commanders, guardians) allows you to sustain your revenge bar.
That tag system was explained really thoroughly and does explain a few rage times I had where I was wondering where my revenge was at. Thanks for the vid!
This has been one of your best videos ! I honestly never understood why revenge was not activating when team gancs were happening. The tag system is definitely not my fave, managing an invisible tag system based upon opponents tags seems absurd
Finally i can show this yo my friends that play. After what.. 4 years? I understood it very well but still learned a lot from this video. Now i can bless my new friends with this video. Thanks Freeze
Sometimes I get mad at revenge "not working", then I rewatch this video and I get sad again because it was just me being bad. Jokes aside, I do actually watch the video somewhat regularly, it's incredibly helpful.
Question about Revenge holding, you said players needs to be locked on a player, does it work if you lock onto an Officer, Commander or Guardian in Breach?
Thanks for the video, and that anti gank with kensei was actually pretty good. I have a video idea i thought you could make, if you wish of course. Its about jormungandr, explaining why hes unhealthy, why he isnt op, what needs to be done and changed for the hero. Its just a thought.
When I still played I had a teammate die in a 2v2, and when the JJ executed him, he tossed his dead body at his own teammate, a BP. That BP proceeded to GET REVENGE in a 2v1 situation. While I know that many people misunderstood the tag system and it’s untold fundamental complexity by the developers, I think it’s fair to say that the system either needs some minor adjustments, or the tag system needs to be switched out for a proximity-based structure. They already have potential coding for this type of system, with proximity being a factor for some feats in the game. The tag system, requiring consistent waiting to lose tags in ganks, encourages a slower paced gameplay than if proximity was used to consider revenge gain for a player.
Problem with not being able to hold ur revenge infinitely is ppl running away so ur forced to waste ur revenge on nothing. I know those that do that usually roll away once u pop revenge but now theyll do it before u even do that so u wont even get the benefit of the auto parry
Hey freeze can you do a video on the role per character class? Yes you can play who you want and how ever you want but I believe if you have a good time with communication and know their role in their team i feel are most likely to win in a 4v4 like dom or breach
This feels kind of unnecessarily complicated. Would this not promote some jerk highlander to sprint around and try to push you? Or a warden to just charge full bashes? Or a raider to carry you? Or a kensei kick? Etc. I get that this allows someone else to be present, and not attacking; but wouldn’t it make sense to be aoe anyway? You’re outnumbered but they HAVE to hit you in order for the game to register you’re out numbered.
Remove this stupid ass feature from this game. I swear 9/10 of my deaths are because of revenge. Ironically, I don’t play like a bitch so i seem to never get it.. While I can be in a 1v2, all of a sudden 1-2 team mates come to help and then my opponent gets immediate revenge?? Just a dumb ass feature.
Not sure if this has been answered yet. Does Centurion's kick still work against enemies with revenge? Last time I played I always wondered why his worked and no one else's did.
Excellent and very detailed guide! I already knew some Things about tags and that you need 2 tags at least to get revenge but im sure i need to look Up this video some times again especially for that Part around 3:30 with more Players than a 2v2. Atm i really cant See myself having an overview about so many tags on more than 3 players, but time will tell and maybe i get better! Keep your good content coming! Edit: however i have a question about unlocked attack: If i Hit someone without being locked onto him, do i add a tag and/or even Feed revenge? Sorry If you already showed that and i missed it
When being impaled by warmonger, you are (or used to idk if it's still in the game) able to still get attacked, gain full damage but the impale still goes on plus the blood damage after hitting a wall. Had that happen to me once or twice already and wanted to know if you could maybe check it out
Gets ganked by a full team Revenge: 50 percent Is about to die Revenge: 100 percent. Enemy gets ganked Revenge: 90 percent. Teammate dies and now its a 1v1 Me: hits the opponent. Enemy gets revenge when she shouldn't Me: wtf Please fix this.
Sounds like you didn't wait long enough for both tags to expire for that one remaining enemy. You started attacking basically keeping his two tags alive, giving him revenge, even though your teammate is already dead. He also never unlocked, so no revenge loss. He says this at the end of the video. The only thing to do is wait, just block don't attack at most for 5 seconds to be safe, then attack.
One thing I think that wasn't touched upon and explained. If say, Shinobi gains health though the head hunter perk after four executions - which I know is unlikely in the absolute state that he is right now, does he still generate revenge at the same rate? Or does the extra health affect his revenge meter gain?
I was informed a few months ago that the same amount of tags prevents revenge gain. I didn't think to extrapolate that to more than just two tags. So this is great to know. Overall amazing video. Though I still worry that people will think revenge needs buffs because they occasionally get interrupted or guard broken because they forget things like recoveries still exist in revenge.
This is a nice guide and all, but can it explain how the enemy blocks two attacks and gets revenge while I’ll have to block/parry at least ten attacks and still not have revenge?
Thx for the guide makes a lot more sense now still think it’s kinda dumb tho that lower HP enemies get it so much faster. Especially playing as a heavy. I also think it could be more beneficial to have it based on damage rather than if it’s a heavy or light but then you think that some characters would literally never give revenge bcz of how low the damage is. Or someone would feed absurd amounts of revenge bcz of how high their damage is. I think Ubisoft did as best they could with this mechanic despite somethings that should be changed. Like tags from dead enemies should go away like you said. I’m really enjoying this game as I’m getting into it. A lot of people don’t like the balance or state of things in this game but as a newbie the game doesn’t feel anywhere near as unbalanced as many other games I’ve played. Fuck light spam tho. Like before you complain about balance in this game Just remember you could be playing siege or ,God forbid, Overwatch🤮🤮. Definitely gonna take this information into consideration when choosing who to play. My current mains are berserker and lawbringer. I was taught how to use berserker more by my friends and I’m just learning LB by myself. Pretty fun. Any tips on LB would be appreciated too.
Yeah the tags go out a little to quick and I had a cent trying to hit me and my teammate when we where already in a 2v2 and he got revenge when neither of us touched him or locked into him
@freeze i use the revenge as an animation cancel on parrys. so i get revenge and use an unblock attack when they parry i revenge and gb. usually only on raider.
You still can Zhanhu gets regular Dodge frames in his dodge, Just not his dodge attack Just need to delay his dodge attack so its more You dodge first, Then attack. That way you get your dodge franes first and can still use the attack
One more time for the people I the back: If you are the third or fourth person in a gank, you are useless and even a detriment, go somewhere else and do something @my useless ass teammates who want to gank and let the enemy team control the map
There are some caveats to that tho. Scenario: 1 enemy is dead, 2 are fighting the best player on your team at the minion zone and you already own the other. 3 people could melt the single enemy left even through their revenge meter, then 2 of them go to the minion zone and assist the 2v1 there. The enemy team is now staggered and will likely not recover in a pub. Scenario 2: The 3rd ally is black prior. There are exceptions to every rule.
Revenge in this game is very weird at the moment. I feel like they changed it. Basically I'm getting spammed by 4 guys, blocking parrying and eating bashes for about 30 seconds and the revenge meter is about half way up at that point which makes no sense. Another thing that doesn't make sense is me coming up to my friend that's in a 1v1 and just me being close to that fight not even being locked on the opponent feeds him revenge. It's Ubisoft so I guess we have to get used to things getting worse with time :/
So what prevents activation, for example being pinned by cent then knocked into a wall by jorm heavy finisher prevents you from activating but the pole charge from lb doesn't prevent it, you can activate it mid charge, why?
Little late to watching this video, but maybe the revenge bar is the same as your health bar? So if revenge uses a point system for each attack, and lower the health the quicker you get revenge, so shinobis 110 health, means he needs 110 points to gain revenge?
It works as intended--> the intended functionality allows for unfair ganks and does not reward good defensive reads in outnumbered scenarios. Even in revenge gankers run away and if you attack one the others get free attacks and occasional gbs and stuns. Great video for an unnecessary complicated and undertuned mechanic. If I duel against a dude and every time I get a good punish (Heavy or long animation punishes) the second guy can punish me hard and just wait for 5 seconds for the next attack to feed no revenge! Revenge multipliers should take in account proximity of allies and enemies
The tag system is bull shit.. Also he didnt mention nothing about sbmm or mmr fucking with those numbers so that. People with less skill can have the revenge edge in the match an pretty much get revenge from someone breathing you
@@AsianSadge you Dont know that.. Because the mmr in this game is determined by a bunch of unknown factors that ubi doesn't specifically tell us or explain very well.. Plus sbmm is in every game.. This game is no different.. And in my experience playing.. Revenge, minions, hitboxes, walls, renown, stamina, bleed damage, phantom blocks, n disappearing indicators are if these things tend to happen more so against the better player in the lobby while the lower skilled played can turn his brain half off. N keep making mistakes with the least amount of repercussions.. I cant make a single mistake in a GANK but yet the same enemies can make mutilpe mistakes against me but I wont have revenge in just two hits and a block.. Revenge definitely doesn't work the same for everyone.. An mmr is the reason for that..
@@idieb4uwin517 therefore because we don’t know if it can be proven false it must be true? That’s a fallacy dude. You’re gonna need more than personal experience to back up a claim that bold
This just makes me wonder why the fuck it wasn’t explained in game. A lot of the community just argue with new players that they need to learn but not everyone will go on youtube.. they just need new and better tutorials. I don’t know how many new players join so it might be too late but ah well
Absolutely love this video now only if my friend group wasnt so fucking arrogant about watching informative videos maybe I would have a better time on for honor.
Wish I could somehow permanently copy the link to this video to my ps4, so I'd have easy acces to send it to the Troglodytes I get teamed up with in random matchmaking
enemies get revenge in 3 hits max, vs me who gets hit probably 15 times with oranges by all 4 enemies and i dont even get half a revenge meter, i fucking hate this game
questiln to shogu players. if you embrace someone. do you want people to hit the enmy while you carry him with fhe strongest attack or leave the opponent to you. question goes to cent, hulda aswell
Wait for the shugo to get health back, then hit with a top heavy. Same with cent and jorm, wait for them to get the punish and then throw your attack once you see they applied the damage and the other person is still locked in the pinned down animation.
Idk, I've been tagged plenty of times by 3 characters and no revenge but as soon as I help a team mate with 1 hit they get it straight away and he has full health still so no tags hmm interesting though
I wonder if its time for an updated version of this video? I'm not an expert on how revenge works but i feel like theres a handful of things they've changed since then. I'm wondering if the feed revenge ability for specific characters is still a thing? I feel like they removed it since then but I'm not sure. And also does holding revenge still work the same? Like 5 seconds out of guard and you lose it or do you have it until you use or die now?
