FUD motors Booze cruise drives like a Drunken sailor and cannot operate ANYWHERE, any Time of Day or Night, in ANY Weather. * is ONLY hand free on PRE Mapped Highway . NOT 99% of Roads. Booze cruise EGO does NOT have much CONFIDENCE in anything it does. it Cannot handle Chuck Cook style UNPROTECTED left turns.
As a pilot, the interaction between the assistant systems in the driver is not just horrific. It’s actually scary. In an aircraft, there is no question whether auto pilot is in control, or if the pilot is in command. Audio feedback of system state is critical !!
It's the lack of audible warnings that was the worst imo. If someone used it enough they'd get used to it, but it should all be insanely obvious, especially to a nerd like me that cares about all these details.
No doubt, you need a master warning light and sound. In the Model 3 the screen displays a large red steering wheel along with an audible. As a side note, I don't think the little autopilot "On" symbol is effective in the Model 3. In an aircraft you have a clear indication that the autopilot is "On", but in my Model 3 I have to look for the tiny symbol at the top left of the screen to verify if it's On. We need better Driving Mode Annunciations in these cars. In either case, great video pointing out the differences between Tesla and Ford's Blue Cruise.
This is mostly fixed today, but it’s still very easy for pilots to think the autopilot is engaged, or other features like the auto throttle, when they’re not actually engaged. There are hyper specific scenarios where commercial airplanes won’t tell you those systems are either overridden or disengaged that have caused dozens of accidents. So no, it’s not always true that there’s no question whether the pilot is in command.
While FSD Beta is better, when I was using the official release before signing up for the Beta program I was frightened by how easy it was to unintentionally deactivate self driving while trying to satisfy the nag. It wasn't always obvious and on a curve it was especially dangerous.
@@shableep There are actually several chimes and visual indicators on the gauge cluster. When it goes into hands on mode (still steering itself, hands on wheel required) there is just a visual indicator. When it cancels, it makes a simple "bing!" sound. When it wants you to resume control immediately, the system repeatedly plays "bing bing bing" sounds until you take over control. The version of BlueCruise he was using did not have the new 1.2 features such as automatic lane changes, in lane repositioning, and predictive speed assist for handling curves. So when he engages the turn signal, BlueCruise turns off momentarily so he can complete the lane change manually. It automatically reengages once the vehicle is in the new lane for a few seconds. I believe that BlueCruise is actually ahead of Tesla just because it is hands free. Got a Mach-E over a Tesla mostly for this reason alone.
You should do a series where you compare and rank/score the self-driving of many different manufacturers. it would be very interesting, especially if you can repeat the tests every few months to see how they've changed or improved.
An excellent point. When "Does it want to kill people?" and "Is it perfect?" are commonly the only criteria, a thorough apples-to-apples comparison would be helpful and revealing.
I agree! This is something I've been searching for and there are only a few videos of people testing Tesla autopilot vs BMW and BlueCruise but would be great to have a complete comparison.
Even just autopilot/enhance bautopilot is much safer!! Holy shit. But the press keep’s criticizing Tesla. Maybe they should buy ads, just to shut them up with money.
Actually anyone driving with this would realize the problem (no chime when autosteering is off) within the first 5 minutes, and it should be a simple software fix. And they cant get that straight. Doesnt look good for Ford's future.
Just because it goes out of hands-free mode doesn't mean it quit steering, It just goes to hands-on mode. If it quits steering there's a pop-up on the screen and a noise. If it goes from hands-free to hands-on you get 5 or 10 seconds before you get a nag
Glad I have autopilot, I use it on surface streets 90% of the time, and blue cruise doesn't work on any non-highway roads. Living out in the country there are a lot of long stretches of road without lights to worry about that autopilot is perfect for.
I knew this would happen. You get a guy with no experience with blue cruise and all his followers are Tesla fans and will bash blue cruise. Watch a real blue cruise driver Patrick from Mach e vlog to make a descion. Not a new blue cruise person
I took delivery of my Model Y LR about 3 weeks ago and it is my first EV. I have put about 2400 miles on the usual summer trips on it and I have the basic Autopilot and I have the V. 4 hardware. I will say that this is easiest car that I have ever owned (I am over 50 years old) so far to live with, but I have a few gripes with the basic AP. If I have the AP engaged and it is doing lane centering then when I do a lane change why do I have to apply force to the steering wheel for it to disengage. In my opinion if I activate the turn signal with the lane centering active then it should disengage lane centering and allow me to do the lane change and once the car is centered then put it back to lane centering mode. I think that it is too slow to respond to traffic that is moving slower in my lane, such as a car or truck the moves into my lane and has the car has to slow down. Also it is to slow to speed up once cars or trucks that are in front of me get out of my way.
I had Tesla autopilot, then FSD no beta and then FSD beta all since April. The thing about beta that is so nice is that I don't have to wonder what the car will try to do and what I need to do.
Great video, as always. My wife has a MY and I have a Lightning so I get to drive both regularly. There are quirks to Bluecruise and a learning curve that is tougher than autopilot.... and I think the comparison is more appropriate with autopilot and not FSD. After the initial learning curve though, BC is nice to have on the highway. There are places autopilot struggles and there are places BC struggles. The difference, as you pointed out, is that when Tesla struggles, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. BC isn't as in-your-face as it should be when it gives up. There are indicators, but you have to look for them. The one thing I was surprised you didn't notice (or maybe just didn't mention) is that BC ping-pongs a bit in the lane and it also hugs the right side of the lane more than I would like. All that being said, not having the nag is awesome. Not really autonomous driving-related comment: The Lightning is super comfy and roomy. This is my holdover until my number for the Cybertruck comes up which will likely be 3-4 years. If you are ever in Vegas and what to give BC again, just say the word. ;-)
Maybe if you pick two individuals who are legally allowed to drive but has no idea about Blue Cruise and FSD to test it out and switch between the system it would be a fair assessment. Both can be guided by an expert of the system as precaution. I recommend people who can drive but don't want to drive at all as main candidates.
I’m glad to see you were very honest about how the system performed. I am enthusiastic about fsd like many of us but this system you showed today has a long way to go.
So Blue Cruise uses the Mobile Eye system which is promising level 4 within 3 years? Isn't it time we had a deep dive into the feasibility of that? How big is their fleet? What do we know about their system, sensors, data, AI Team etc.? I'm waiting for a Tesla RU-vidr to take this on, it's really important for an investment thesis given that so much seems to ride on autonomy - where's dr know it all? Anybody?
Mobileye has several hour long deep dives on all of that on their RU-vid channel. They actually have a huge “fleet” and will likely be the main competitor to Tesla in this space. They have multiple products, with “Supervision” being their camera based tech while they also have robotaxi cars with extra sensors like LiDAR and high res radar. Intel bought them out and they’ve been doing driver assist for like 20+ years.
I'm a Tesla investor but I feel Tesla Uber Bulls are too cocky about FSD and Overlook many of the competitors... starting first with waymo they're actually launching in Los Angeles level 4 robo-taxi Service it's extremely safe and awesome the car drives fast and decisive.... at this point hasn't Google HD map the whole world at least the United States they are using AI llm Mobility
I mean, I'll start out with 🤮in regards to their software interface, aka GUI. The 3D aspects of some of the controls and buttons needs to go, there is zero need to have shadows around them as it just creates unnecessary distance between interface items. That might help overall GUI response but, I think that is more to do with the actual hardware they are using.
I think the Comma 3 with openpilot would be a great addition to the Lightning. I love it in my wife's rav4 hybrid. I even prefer it to Tesla autopilot. Zero phantom braking and I can dodge potholes or debris on the road without disengaging plus it drives more like a human.
I miss the menu option that could be enabled to require user confirmation before car makes lane change . The car is so often in the wrong or inappropriate lanes on surface streets around. Examples: * Getting into and out of far right lanes which are for parking only till 3PM at which time they are not allowed for parling but only as extra drive lanes during drive time hours. * Getting into bus lanes, not to complete a turn, but thinking it's a normal drive lane * Getting into turn only lanes thinking they are straight lanes. * Getting into inappropriate roundabout lanes that don't align with directions or visualation.
I think I see why you were having such trouble with the system You were clicking the blue cruise button twice, You only click it once to activate it. You were turning it on and back off by clicking it twice. You click it once to turn on Blue Cruise and that activates Lane centering You don't have to click it twice to activate hands-free It activates hands-free automatically when it's available.
With autopilot only on, when you signal, there is no resistance on your manual lane change as well. Just wanted to point that out. You get bumped to normal adaptive cruise as soon as you initiate the lane change and have to turn autopilot back on afterwards.
There’s also a quick chime right after you turn on the turn signal and just before your turn the wheel for the lane change letting you know that the system is ready for you to complete the lane change.
Great video Chris. I though tit was fairly balanced review. I drove my new MS with FSD to my son's place in Verona (500 miles) few days ago. FSD on highway was superb. Lane changes were automatic and smooth. Any idea as to why the car would move to the speeding lane most of the time?
Because it likes to pass traffic lol. It won't usually exit passing lane unless you have someone behind you. Also if using Nav on AP (and not beta) it has a setting for exiting passing lane
FSD Beta 11.4.4 does NOT drift to the center of a lane anymore when the lane widens such as when a freeway onramp happens. It hugs the left lane in that situation.
This video makes it easier for me to understand why people are scared of Tesla drivers using AP/FSD. As a Tesla driver, I'm scared of people using this Blue Cruise system because I don't understand it.
A couple of things. One, the version of BlueCruise that you were testing doesn't do assisted lane changes. The new version (1.2) should be rolling out soon. We did a video testing it on a 2023 Mach-E and it also has a couple of other new features. Two, the no audible warning is because it is still steering for you. If you don't respond to the visual prompt to put your hands on for those sections, then it will sound a repeated warning. P.S. Happy birthday! (Your Twitter profile said it was your birthday.)
Must have been some confusion, I was told the Lightning had the lane change ability. It was also shown in Ford's BC RU-vid video (on a gas F-150). I did see the Mach-E was changing lanes with with BC as well. Maybe I'll have to give it another go.
@@DirtyTesla It is pretty annoying that it can be hard to tell what version of BlueCruise (or other software) is on the Mach-E or Lightning. But as far as I know, the only Ford vehicles with BlueCruise 1.2 are the 2023 Mach-Es. It is supposed to be an OTA for the Lightning and other Mach-Es later this year. If you do try it again, one way to tell if it has lane change assist is looking at the truck icon in the display. If it can do a lane change, it will have a left and right arrow icon surrounding the truck. On the Mach-E, it looks like a < and > sign. If you have the time, you should see if Ford can loan you a 23 Mach-E with BlueCruise 1.2.
Finally! A comment from a person who KNOWS what they’re talking about. I love BC on my 23’ Lariat ER, and it took a day or two to get used to but it’s great! Definitely no FSD but a giant step in the right direction. I’m looking forward to lane changes. I demo’d a Mach E that had BC with lane changes and it was pretty nice.
Blue cruise allowed to select certain mph over speed limit and NHTSA forced Tesla to change for percentage. 😅 Shouldn't the rules be forced to everyone?
I just bought a Tesla and it took me a couple of long drives to get familiar with tthe autopilot to the point where im happy to use it. Most of the issues with blue cruise should be easy to fix with otas. Autopilot has been around a long time and has had plenty of customer feedback. Blue cruise hasn't had that yer. Mr Odowd wants all driver assistance systems to be perfect out of the box,and thats just not practical. All systems will need to iterate to a degree.
Turning off autosteering without a clear audible and visual warning is a no go. This can easily lead to a crash (as you almost did with the lane change).
Nice to have your comments from back home afterwards. Try with light in front of your face at home, instead of only from the ceiling. Sound is great and clean from home, compared to driving noises. Maybe this noises can be cancelled out.
No audible indicator with BlueCruise is where SuperCruise shines with it's clear visible indicators in the top of the steering wheel within your eyesite. And I do believe SuperCruise also has audile as wheel but can't confirm latest version has it.
I own a F150 Hybrid with Blue Cruise. It does not function nearly like Tesla does, but what it does do I like. When Hands Free disengages, it simply wants my hands on the wheel. It is still driving. You don't need to be turning Blue Cruise off and on. Just let it be when you are on the highway. The system in the Lightening may be a little different, but it doesn't seem to be. It does not exit for you, (or at least mine doesn't).
It actually was because the road was curved/bend. Had same thing happened when i drove a Mustang. As well the other issues you had. They have to fix that issue.
Tesla had hands free until NTSA told them to change it. I can see a recall coming Fords way and not being clear it's in Blue Cruise will cause accidents, NTSA will also demand changes to that too.
😂 He looks uncomfortable driving then as soon as Auto driving takes over you can see him visibly relax. So much Tesla FSD has changed him to be used to being drove vs driving. He might be one of the first humans to reach this point, soon most people hate driving.
It would appear that very few designers of Blue Cruise actually put it to the test. This is the opposite of stress free driving. Who is in control??? You guess all the time.
that is scary. to trust the system i really need a chime of some sort for when the system needs my assistance or wants my attention. Have to say thats really good in Tesla. Before my Model3 i had a Mercedes CLS with distronic + and steering assist. It was able to keep the lane with very light curves. The biggest complaint i had was that the system was not giving any chime when its not in autosteer anymore. There was just a little green steeringwheel symbol in the dash which turned from green to gray :( Besides that there were countless complaints with this car and the many before it from that Brand. Glad i drive Tesla now.
Tesla’s in cabin camera is easily as good. If you are not paying attention, it catches you almost instantly. Tesla also monitors if you have a hands free device by measuring the consistency of resistance on the steering wheel.
as of the last 3 months id say it's as good now. Even in the dark pitch black at night it catches you noding off or looking away instantly. I'm of the opinion that I'd much rather have the nags as admittedly its getting so good that I'm nearing complacency, I regularly do 150km drives without disengagement and id like to make sure im still watching.. it's too easy to get comfortable now
Wow, FSD on hwys is near perfect, this blue cruise is near garbage. The worst Mistake FSD made on a 360 mile trip across NC this week was taking an I40 exit accidentally where I suspect the lanes had recently been moved and re-striped. I have never been confused as to whether or not FSD was enabled. I do wish we could keep our hands off the wheel.
I owned a Tesla and I also played with Nissan and Toyota's lane keeping. They just don't make any chime when the lane keeping is active - just like the blue cruise, it will give up at random time, and magically snap you back at the lane using minimal force. I can feel a tiny tweeny force on the steering wheel when it's on (definitely not as snap as Tesla). It's so confusing who is controlling the car - the car or me. I guess they do it deliberately to encourage driver to keep hands on wheel and actively driving. But if Ford is advertising hands free yet doesn't give chime while leaving autopilot mode, that's very alarming
If it does not turn off on a slight road turn. Which is the issue, the fact it can just turn off without clearly conveying it did. Even with a need to have a hand on the wheel, Tesla's AP has been a massive help in reducing fatigue on long trips and I was able to keep the system running for basically the entire way with zero incidents what so ever, even once avoiding me an accident from a truck that had cut in my lane with no turn signal from a blind spot. Blue cruise could be a great strain reducer but the need to constantly monitor the system for surprise disengagements makes it not worth it IMO. Hopefully they realize this bad design decision and come back to it because its honestly criminal no regulation agency has come on their ass for this already, when they have been doing so for AP (and as they should, any ADAS should be made robust and safe)
The hyundia ioniq 5 has a similar system (not handsfree) for lane keeping that will disengage occasionally without any chimes or warning. Maybe be the same underlying system.
A big difference is that one is referred to as a "driver assist" and doesn't over promise, the other is irresponsibly named "Full Self Driving" and totally over promises. Those comments calling Blue Cruise dangerous and calling it to be banned are thinking blue cruise is something that it is not. The reason there is no resistance on the steering wheel when Blue Cruise is on and changing lane is almost certainly because the indicator is on, so it is expecting the driver to be changing lane. Try changing lanes without the indicator and I would guess the steering wheel would have resistance, that is the correct behaviour. To properly evaluate Blue Cruise it has to be reviewed it as a "driver assist" and not "full self driving".
@@DirtyTesla A few more questions about BlueCruise; Can you use the adaptive cruise control (not BlueCruise) outside of highways? If the BlueCruise system disengages and tells you to take control, if you don't take over, will it just come to a stop like Tesla Autopilot would? What if you press the accelerator?
You can use ACC outside of highways. If you don't listen to the warnings, it will eventually pulse the brakes to get your attention and then I believe it either slows to a stop or 5mph without hazard lights :S
@@DirtyTesla Also, with the lane centering + ACC (without Hands-Free Blue Cruise) does it steer around curves or does it just help you be more centered in your lane?
It seems to be available in Europe but only UK, I still think auto pilot is better, at least it can drive quite well on the highway even when it curves, I know its not hand free but an arm in the window and the hand on the wheel and it doesn't complain
There is a loading circle for the whole driver assistance menu and after that you can still see it loading the individual lines of the sub menu. I don't get it.
Sometimes I wish Tesla would ignore the speed limit signs ... that is now with FSDbeta on highways because it is absurdly changing speeds to passing / overhead streets or the nav database vs the speed limit signs. The Tesla system currently is awful for speed limit processing ... it use to work excellent with regular AutoPilot on highways.
Well that's why I didn't really plan to go into this comparing BC to AP/FSD... They're two different things. But nav on AP does everything this does and far better
@@DirtyTesla It looks to me like standard Autosteer does everything this does and better, minus the nag of course. You weren't able to get it to change lanes, right?
I did not have a successful lane change, but I know the system is capable of it (seen on MunroLive's channel in the Mach-E) so maybe I did something wrong? What else would I have done tho? lol
Please be careful when trying these other systems, don't relax they are not Tesla that you are used to. I was shocked that you drifted all the way out without even a warning that the car is no longer in control; imagine if there was another car there?
How can anyone possibly compare 130,000 Blue Tooth-capable miles with these disadvantages to over 4 MILLION lined roads that Autopilot handles...better. Thanks to Munro and Thanks for doing this....but the incomparable scale comparison also deserves to be in this video.
It's definitely Level 2, that "+" from Ford is marketing as it doesn't exist. Level 3 would mean you could actually divert your attention away from the road, which Audi has with Traffic Jam Pilot, but iirc it isn't available here in the states.
Had a Genesis GV70 before my Tesla, the HDA2 was garbage and made everyone car sick, and lane changes were painfully slow. Tesla makes my long highway commute/trips a breeze.
Please do another test what happens if you don't take over. I mean, it feels pretty unsafe just from what you've shown so far. Turning the indicator on will make the car just wander off the road to the right? Wtf?
My dad’s 2016 Model S with AP1 can do everything BlueCruise does but works anywhere, including curves and off the highway, and doesn’t randomly shut off. It can also do reliable lane changes every time.
When you said there was no resistance on the steering wheel i was thinking what if your reaching in your pocket or grabbing something off to the side and bump the steering wheel would you think it would disable "blue cruise"
