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Ford Capri Engine Build Begins! Ford 2.8 V6 teardown, good enough to build? Capri Race Car Stuff! 

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@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Officially moving forward on this crazy project! Lots and lots of steps in this process, but we are at least on the path!
@dangilbert8391
@dangilbert8391 2 года назад
Gonna be a awsome build
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
@@dangilbert8391 we sure as heck hope so! And hopefully something we can really have a ton of fun with next year!
@malcolmbryan9220
@malcolmbryan9220 2 года назад
According to the ford shop manual, the numbered side of the rods all point left. looking from rear of engine towards the front. Do not deck the block any more than needed to true it, Same goes with the heads as this is a thin wall block and you may have sealing issues. If you are keeping stock pistons, The highest compression pistons were from the Ranger engine at 8.7-1. Racer Walsh lists a 9.0-1 Forged set with a 1.578 compression height. The cheapest way to get bigger valves (It needs those) is to use 2.9 stock style. I like the Enginetec valves. The 2.9 rods are stronger as well. There is so much you can do to this engine. Check Tom Morana racing as well. The stud girdle really stiffens the block. Use torque plates to bore the block if you can, It helps ring sealing a lot. The Ranger crank is the strongest, 74 non EGR heads are the best. With some machining, The 2.9 crank and rods with 2.8 ranger pistons will give you almost 3.0L with the best compression.... There is sooo much more info out there. Check out the ranger station for info too.
@RonnyT89
@RonnyT89 2 года назад
Forged H-beams and Forged CP-carillos.... with Fardon Crank will make it more like race engine. E85 fuel for higher compression.... Burton Power sell Stage 3 heads. Combine Highvolyme and highpressure melling pumps and get roller rockers with better ratio maybe 1.7:1? Drill extra water ways to heads to keep em cooler.
@paulnix9778
@paulnix9778 24 дня назад
In the mid-1970s I was in the Air Force and, while home on leave in central Texas, bought my 1st car ... a 1973 Capri (2.6L V-6 w/ 4-speed manual trans). A couple of years later (while back in school after the Air Force) that Capri was rear-ended at a stop-light in Houston and, after looking awhile, I bought a 1976 Capri II (hatchback instead of 2-door coupe). It also had the V-6 but Ford of Germany had bored-out the displacement from 2.6 to 2.8 Liters (why I've never understood). I owned that Capri II for over 20 years and only got rid of it because I needed air-conditioning (was in my mid-40s by then and couldn't take the Texas summertime heat). I really miss those cars ... even I (with almost no mechanical skills) could understand most of how things worked. (in modern front-wheel drive cars I can't even find some of the external parts.) Back when I had the Capris I heard rumors that there was a 5-speed manual transmission available in Germany and, a few years ago, saw something that seemed to corroborate that information ... that would have been nice as I thought the engine RPM was a bit high for highway driving with the 4-speed transmission. (signed, Paul in Texas)
@resynthesizer4565
@resynthesizer4565 Месяц назад
Miss my Capri. Had the 2.6 with valve springs, mild cam and slightly higher compression. Stock exhaust manifold, but big pipes that exited under the seats. It was gutted, so it was super light.It was really quick. This was 85-85 ish.
@dwaynecope1914
@dwaynecope1914 2 года назад
All my friends had mustangs and I bought a 1971 Capri in 1977 and I loved it and I wish I still had it. Good Luck with that.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Did that make people consider you cool and different or the oddball? Curious how people who owned and drove these things when they were new were seen.
@paulriggers1558
@paulriggers1558 2 года назад
if i remember rightly, [35 yrs ago??] oil gets to the rockers via undersize bolts in a key location on rocker shaft, + it is easy to mix them up. my dads friend had very noisy valvetrain after a rebuild, sure this was the problem
@mattstacy1652
@mattstacy1652 2 года назад
Good lord I’m jealous of that tool box! Freaking 6 foot tall and as wide as the house I live in! I’m in love! 😂
@davidjenkins1958
@davidjenkins1958 2 года назад
And about the cost of a house in the 90’s
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Lol yeahhhhhh Rich does have a mighty big... box. With the crazy range of things he/we work on it's chalk full of specialized tools... even some stacked all the way across the top
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
@@davidjenkins1958 but if you pay the Snap-on man weekly it's not so bad! 🤷
@davidjenkins1958
@davidjenkins1958 2 года назад
@@LucoreAuto yeah for the average mechanic that would be a 5 - 10 year payment plan LOL
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
@@davidjenkins1958 none of us ever try to discuss THAT part of the tool situation for mechanics ;)
@nickolasedmunds
@nickolasedmunds Год назад
If you notice the new style cam bearings help the lubrication of the engine rods and oil pressure up above the engine and below, Were the gasket meets the two exhaust valves there are two coolant holes you can drill straight for better reliable performance less hot spots better valve seat longevity if you can drill all 4 i bet that would be better. I own one of these and I have done it and I'm happy you know what you know its my favorite engine to modify/drive fel-pro head gaskets know.
@waltergwinn9189
@waltergwinn9189 2 года назад
I agree the rods gotta be wrong!!!!!! Did ya get the lifters out ????? Make that lil 6 scream with a procharger!!!!
@markmetzler9108
@markmetzler9108 11 месяцев назад
I had a 73 Capri 2600 long ago. I LOVED that little hot rod and all the Ills that came with it. I got rid of it in 1980 and ALWAYS looked back with regret of seeing it drive away the last time. I've kept an eye out for another, but am always too late to the table. Good luck on your project. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes of it.
@kennethdispain1807
@kennethdispain1807 2 года назад
Yeah that's a little iffy sound's awesome see you then
@aldonelson5757
@aldonelson5757 2 года назад
Had a 1983 Mustang fully loaded convertible that was willed to me. 3.8 V6 surprised the hell out me when I found a good intake & 4bbl carb 390cfm. Put in an AOD, 2.5" true duel exhaust, set of 15" wheels & tires and a few front suspension upgrades. Great little cruiser.
@TC-qd1zw
@TC-qd1zw 8 месяцев назад
Had one piece rear main seals on my Cortina 1500 GT in the 60s
@charlesflint9048
@charlesflint9048 2 года назад
I did one of these about 35 yrs ago on my friends Ford Granada 2.8. He wanted it to have more power, so we updated the camshaft profile to a more sporty one. I remember having to pay particular attention in getting the cam timing correct to get it just right. I have a TVR Tasmin 280i now with the same engine and it runs as if someone in the past has got the camshaft timing not quite right; it runs well up to over 115-120mph, but doesn’t have that hard acceleration at about 50-70mph it should have. I’m going to have fun trying to get this engine sorted. I will be patient!.
@mcdored
@mcdored 2 года назад
Thanks so much for sharing. GREAT VIDEOS. This will be a big help to many of us. I have a 74 Capri V6 engine in the machine shop now for a performance rebuild. Norm will be supplying me with the parts. I really look forward to following your progress. This is my first Capri in 40, years. Just purchased this in June. As a young kid I owned an MKI & 2. Both 2.8 V6's here in California. Both cars were so much fun. Still so much to sort out for this rebuild over the next couple months. I have so much to learn. I wish you the best and will check back frequently.
@waynelutwiniak797
@waynelutwiniak797 2 года назад
The Capri is cool. The little 2.8 is also pretty cool.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Thank you, we are pretty excited about this thing. Huge project for sure fingers crossed a few of these major hurdles work out
@sabinabrozynski9215
@sabinabrozynski9215 2 года назад
FYI - The 1974 version of the Federal 2.8L has a one year only cylinder head. After '74 all Federal heads came with internal EGR passages off the center exhaust port to the intake manifold. The '74 used an external EGR and so did not have internal EGR passage. A small difference but if you're building one for performance it's a better base to start from.
@chris425amp7
@chris425amp7 2 года назад
Nice 2.8 V6 Colonge 👍🏻
@timgrovesUK
@timgrovesUK 2 года назад
We lusted after both the 2.8 and 3.0 litre Capri, although the 3.0 had a reputation for tail happiness, however the scariest of all was the Zakspeed Capri, which was a 1.4 litre 4 pot with a 5 speed gearbox, turbocharged which made 400bhp and 170 mph, in 1978! This build is bringing back some serious nostalgia so am watching with great interest
@EugVR6
@EugVR6 2 года назад
I've had a 3.0S and a 2.8i, they were both tail happy, especially when it rained but the best combo for me, was 2.8i Bilstiens and brakes on the 3.0, it wasn't as quick as the 2.8i but a much nicer engine to row about in and made a much nicer noise. My 3.0 had been modified by the previous owner to 180hp, so she was fast in 1992... I had a mk5 cortina after the 2.8i that had been fitted with a 2.9i Granada engine, that was good fun fast car😎
@EugVR6
@EugVR6 2 года назад
The Zakspeed capri went up a group from 1.4 to 1.7, fitted with twin turbos making 660hp but that was unreliable, so a new single turbo was fitted and power was cut to 600hp, Ford showed Porsche a clean set of heels. 💪🏽
@baengineman
@baengineman 2 года назад
The best use for a Fram oil filter. Dirt protection while in storage.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Agreed!
@stevesimons6333
@stevesimons6333 2 года назад
Can't wait to follow this build. I have a 2.8 Capri and 4 speed in my shed. I used to put them in 520 Datsun Pickups. I prefer the 2.6 because of the siamese ports in 2.8 were known to be suspect. Out here in Oregon the Capri is not very popular. I have been kind of looking for a small car to transplant my engine into. Don't tell my wife she said we have way to many things to do now. After this build who knows..... Thanks for letting us follow along.
@leonardwalters154
@leonardwalters154 2 года назад
Neat little motor, I'm with you about half of the rods are backwards
@kmc468
@kmc468 2 года назад
I have a 327 it has that style rod it sprays oil towards the bottom of all eight cylinders from the Piston down towards the oil pan a perfect line but like a pump squirt bottle hope that helps you I think you're correct three are installed improperly
@thatdudeinorange2297
@thatdudeinorange2297 2 года назад
Had a -82 Ford Granada 2,8 in the early 90's, manual 4-speed. Was rated at 151 hk (hp?) With all emission stuff on it. Think has seen it was 160hk without emission. And that was an fuelinjected K-jetronic. So should be quite easy to get it to 200hp@crank. Time will tell 😉
@mcdored
@mcdored 2 года назад
Thanks!
@bikinicarwash6320
@bikinicarwash6320 2 года назад
really excited to see this cute little thing back on the road!
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Long LONG way to go before we're at that point but should at least have a healthy heart for her somewhat soon
@fordluvr76
@fordluvr76 2 года назад
You really should be looking for a set of 74 heads and a Ranger/Bronco truck block. The truck blocks have a larger cam that’s less susceptible to twisting. Maybe Norm will let you read Sven Pruett’s V6 book. Lots of good ideas in there.
@EugVR6
@EugVR6 2 года назад
American 2.8 V6 used 6 port heads in some applications, which are far better than the siamese port heads on our 2.8 cologne V6s used and I think the US 2.8 didn't suffer from the hotspot cracking issues in the heads but I could be wrong there...They made good power in the ETCC RS2600, the final 2.8 version in 72 made 320hp, in a 900kg car...very quick, even today.... Ric Wood is the man for these engines, he still makes the aluminium westlake cylinder heads Ford used in the race programme.
@dave.harmon
@dave.harmon 2 года назад
In Europe, they got bumped up to a 2.9 in the 80s. Might be worth seeing if you can get a set of those pistons
@jacquespoirier9071
@jacquespoirier9071 2 года назад
I marinized a cologne 2.8, I enjoyed it for more than 20 years in a 16 ft runabout boat. a very nice characteristics for marine use. It is a shame that a commercial marine version had not been produced.
@wisconsintractorpullingforum
@wisconsintractorpullingforum 2 года назад
I could see with 3 rods being backwards with pistons being backwards as well it throwing off the piston to deck mainly if the pin bosses are offset like the ol Chryslers were to keep from scuffing the pistons skirts.
@mlg223
@mlg223 2 года назад
I don't know if this will be of interest for your build, but if you type Gunston Capri Perana into a search engine and look at some of the images, you'll see that some of them have wide wheel arches which you should be able to easily and cheaply recreate with either steel or fiberglass.
@tomashton1781
@tomashton1781 2 года назад
V _6 look from the front and think of two three cylinders next to each other the big difference is the ports on one head reversed, most pistons have off set pins, when you look at the front all pin offsets will should be in the same direction the rods may have been installed wrong, all the oil holes should face the cam
@cyane1577
@cyane1577 2 года назад
Looks like you got lucky! It would of helped if the owner had some oil in it. My guess is why he still had a oil filer on it anyway was to keep it sealed from external elements such as bugs, etc.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
He had put some oil in it here and there, at least visually. Initial inspections look decent so... fingers crossed. As you mention, the Fram did a good job as a bug block 😉
@alanjanderson9789
@alanjanderson9789 2 года назад
That body style of the Capri was released in South Africa by Ford with a 302 ci engine in it might be a way to go there were a few here in Oz at one time running pro stock
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
We really kicked around the idea of a 302 build in this thing, and it's still a future possibility. Would certainly make the platform a total riot but might screw with the whole "Euro" feel and make it feel more Mustang. Not saying no but... not right now.
@EugVR6
@EugVR6 2 года назад
The Perana V8 was made by Basil Green motors and I believe they had a good racing career in South Africa.
@jamesljudkins
@jamesljudkins Год назад
TY for the video! I have a 2.8 ! I cant find headers for this engine,do have a source for headers for this engine! They are offset!
@jaratt85
@jaratt85 2 года назад
How much are you allowed to build that engine for the class you want to run? Is injection legal? Multiple carbs? High compression pistons? What size cam? Oversized valves/what they are made out of? (like can you run inconel and titanium valves?) Something I'd suggest to help the longevity of the engine seeings how it's going to be raced is to get some good coated pistons that fit that have the X grooves in the side (I think they are called Diamond pistons) that help with oil drain and also to get a swinging oil pickup like they use offroad so that no matter where the G force throws the oil the pickup will stay submerged.
@markscully2342
@markscully2342 2 года назад
I'll tell you one thing , you don't want to use those stock style engine mounts what you need are called world cup style mounts from the rally escort!
@vincent.bouvelle
@vincent.bouvelle 2 года назад
As you discovered, the lifters have to be pull out from the top of the block. You should use a powerfull magnet for that. Changing the camshaft bearing is also not easy, because you need to remove the plug located at the end of the camshaft and then use a special tool to push them out, same thing to install the new ones. You must also be very carefull when inserting the new one to make sure the bearing holes match the block holes, which angle differs from a bearing to another. In short, it's a piece of cake (or ... not! 🙂). I really hope that your camshaft bearings are in a good shape, which was not the case for my 2.3 Cologne engine... 😞
@markmurphy3578
@markmurphy3578 2 года назад
I think I’ve only ever known single piece rear main seals on European Fords. I’ve never seen a v6 being stripped before and the cologne engines were pretty good.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Well these little odd monsters are thoroughly German so that would make sense. Pretty simple motors, hopefully we can unlock a little potential power!
@MrMrBigro
@MrMrBigro Год назад
The rod squirter are facing toward the exterior if you have one old 2.8 piston and rod that you won't use I would like to buy one off of you if possible
@MrMrBigro
@MrMrBigro 2 года назад
You can't deck the block but there forge piston for it in Europe and England
@tomashton1781
@tomashton1781 2 года назад
the german made v-6 2.8 is a metric the other ,2,8 s are standard, my choice would have been the lima 2.3
@MrMrBigro
@MrMrBigro 2 года назад
The oil rod squirt hole are going all the side of the block not the center and will need a main engine crank brace if you Rev it more then 6500 ram for to long. What is the engine class you will be running in?
@shoominati23
@shoominati23 2 года назад
Are you allowed to run webers on that? I think there is a manifold available that mounts 3 IDA webers sideways on top of the motor
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Ohhhh realllllly? That would certainly be interesting and awesome looking! It really depends on the type of racing we want to do with this car and this setup. If we want to do any kind of factory production racing, like this car was previously run in, we can't do any kind of modification to the intake / carb setup. BUT, for a funsies kind of build.... no such limitations ;)
@jmyd83
@jmyd83 2 года назад
👍 stroker
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Does such a thing exist for the 2.8 Cologne?
@garycook2355
@garycook2355 2 года назад
I will do no nit-picking about your engine disassembly. It was classic.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Well thank you sir we appreciate it. It's not all flashy exciting stuff sometimes it's just nitty gritty disassembly.
@garycook2355
@garycook2355 2 года назад
@@LucoreAuto been there, done that, got the scars. wore out the T-shirt long ago.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
@@garycook2355 Indeed! Also probably have plenty of memories and stories stashed away :)
@alfredodirks3537
@alfredodirks3537 2 года назад
I hope the lifters came out???
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Eventually 😉
@stevefreeman730
@stevefreeman730 2 года назад
My son has a73 capri with a 2.6 engine in it. We are thinking of using an autolite 2100 with weber to holley adapter plate from Australia. Any suggestions??
@aldonelson5757
@aldonelson5757 2 года назад
Get a new manifold
@stevefreeman730
@stevefreeman730 2 года назад
2.6 is different engine than the 2.8.
@davidjenkins1958
@davidjenkins1958 2 года назад
I see you feel the same about those orange oil filters as I do, gross . LOL
@lonnyself3920
@lonnyself3920 2 года назад
digital camera, O" ring pro charger on it Shelby style
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
There HAVE been discussions about a possible forced induction option... 😉
@MrMrBigro
@MrMrBigro Год назад
Hey what happens with the 2.8 build?
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto Год назад
Its still happening just slightly stalled at the moment because of how busy we are with customer projects. Everything is machined and ready to go, just have to do the assembly!
@MrMrBigro
@MrMrBigro Год назад
@Lucore Auto and LucoreRacing will you guys have a spare 2.8 block ? For sale or you will use them all ? Thanks I'm curious how much power you will get from it
@davidvonanderseck8649
@davidvonanderseck8649 2 года назад
What do you plan on doing with it
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Ohhh we have some plans, waiting on some feedback from our machine shop right now before final decisions are made.
@davidvonanderseck8649
@davidvonanderseck8649 2 года назад
Is it going to be a street car hot rod or a race car. What kind of racing are you going to do. From the sounds of it you have hp In mind. The 4.3 is a good v6 might open the door for more trans options.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 2 года назад
Why in the world would the rods be 1,2,3 on one bank and 4,5,6 on the other. Every V type engine I've seen is odds on one side with evens on the other side. With #1 closest to the front of the block. But maybe they do things different in der Vaterland.
@MrMrBigro
@MrMrBigro 11 месяцев назад
Any capri update ?
@1chish
@1chish 2 года назад
[In Edit] "Archaic Stuff here" No shit! Its from the mid 1970s so at least 45 years old. Maybe built when this guy was in nappies. Sorry 'Diapers'. And yes stop thinking 'freedom' think 'metric'. Couple of points to help: The 2.8 was not the top engine. There was a 3.0 litre built in the UK and there was also a 3.1 litre in the homologation special RS3100. And you should not be surprised that head bolts were fitted 'dry'. This is an older tech engine and few had lubed bolts in the Heads, Mains or Rods. So unless you use specialist fitting like ARP bolts that require lube refit all bolts dry or you will overload the torques settings and either sheer bolts when hot or stretch them and on cool down they will release tension. Lubing of head bolts became more widespread when stretch bolts were developed and the clue there is the 'X ft Ibs plus Y degrees' torque settings. Good luck with the project.
@dionrau5580
@dionrau5580 2 года назад
Don't throw the old stuff to quick, finding suitable replacement can be problematic,
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
Ohhh we learned THAT long ago, one reason we have so many old parts sitting around the shop 😉
@Mechanickirk
@Mechanickirk 2 года назад
Lol he said MOTER!!
@dalerogrrs7787
@dalerogrrs7787 2 года назад
Some people flip the pistons in the motor, that would make rods , look like there in wrong, it make more power, they say, and it run that way, lol, weird, lol
@fordluvr76
@fordluvr76 2 года назад
“Looks like a couple of half-inchers.” It’s a metric engine.
@stevebates5973
@stevebates5973 2 года назад
Why is the 1/2" socket so tight? "Cause the 1/2" headed bolts are 13mm headed...
@shaggyduder
@shaggyduder 2 года назад
The 2.8 was a great little engine, imported from Germany if memory serves, they really scream at 6k ripems, and can put out quite a few ponies for as small as they are. I loved the GM 4.3 V8, it was the smallest, and it really screamed too.
@LucoreAuto
@LucoreAuto 2 года назад
It SEEMS like it should have pretty good potential but we can't find much of anyone with experience building a performance 2.8. SEEMS like the standard formula will apply, bump compression, better bolts, modern camshaft, better intake and carb. Not sure what kind of RPM these things will really breathe to.. It might not end up being all that powerful, but should at least be interesting!
@delifisektuxedo
@delifisektuxedo 2 года назад
No it was worst pice of sh*t engine build by ford. Each bank has 3 intake and 2 exhaust. So when you after go 5.5k it brokes the cylinder head. This thing only good for boat anchor.
@PCMenten
@PCMenten 2 года назад
Sounds like whoever put new pistons in there use 2.9 pistons.
@markscully2342
@markscully2342 2 года назад
horrible motor the 2.8 cologne in the U.K. the early Capri would have come with the Essex 3.0 v6 which I always liked a lot more!
@PattyRusts
@PattyRusts 2 года назад
Worst engines ever. Pot 6 melts itself and mine had a water oil cooler… that never failed 🙄
@TC-qd1zw
@TC-qd1zw 8 месяцев назад
It’s a Klone engine. To me crap.
@weltman848
@weltman848 5 месяцев назад
Everything he says is guessing, inaccurately. This is not an informational video.
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