Ford F-150 with 5 1/2 foot bed & Open Range Light 5th Wheel do a 90 Degree Turn 

Thanks for that info. Sometimes stats don't tell the full story.

Paul Arthur I love 6

IT is not within the payload capacity of any non max payload F150. Read your payload sticker, fool....

Not witin payload capacity. fool

@@czwarlord9243 Probably not that specific fifth, but Open Range makes several that are around 1100-1200 lb hitch weight (whole thing only weight about 6800 lbs empty)

That little ecoboost has 3000 lbs payload capacity..

Alessandro Terracciano wrong. The 4 door model does not have a 3,000 pound capacity

That truck does not have 3000# payload. If you exceed any capacities including payload and involved in an accident, your insurance company can and will deny the claim and you are on the hook!!! Trust me. Too many people ignore payload including RV dealers.

@@Italianborn you need to learn the difference of "up to" and "when equiped" versus all trucks like you assume. The ONLY way to get 3k payload is in XL trim, 2wd, extended cab, long bed, HDPP with 3.73 gears. Basically a unicorn 1/2 ton...

@@daviddouglass7662 Does insurance not pay if you fall asleep? If you are drunk? If you are speeding? If you run a red light? If insurance doesn't pay when you make a mistake, why have insurance?

Depends on the payload capacity of the truck...almost always you'll run out of payload before you run out of towing capacity. Is the truck able to tow it? YES. Is it legal, NO. Of course this is in reply to the camper they posted. As for your camper Ed, 7000# fully loaded isn't as near as much as the one they posted. But again, look at your payload sticker in your door jamb. Subtract all the passengers weights from it, subtract cargo weight (including bed covers, rubber mats, anything you've added after buying the truck) and that will tell you what is left for payload to tow a trailer. For travel trailers, you are supposed to have 10-15% of the trailer weight on the hitch. So for a trailer that weighs in at 7000# with full cargo in it, you'd need to have at least 700# of payload left to haul it. I'd suggest having 13% as that would be the sweet spot which would require 910# of payload left. Hopefully that spells it out for some people on here. As I've said before, you almost always run out of payload before you hit your max towing. Go over either of these numbers, and you are no longer legal, and any accident your involved in your insurance will say 'good luck' to you, cause you'll be on your own.

My 2016 F150 with max tow package has payload of 3240 lbs and tow capacity of 12;200. I never get close to either. Lots of folks writing on here are not aware of these numbers and just assume they are in the know with figures from other brands not built as well.

curious how you got to the 3,240 on the 2016 F150. I got one a couple months back and its decked out with pretty much every option but the max payload package. I'm pissed now because I'm realizing just how hymned by payload capacity. I have a curb weight of about 5,450 lbs (just weighed) that includes all the factory options (side-steps, FX package, 6.5" bed, V6 Eco, max tow package, spray bed liner, matts, 20" rim, 30 gallon gas tank (empty), whatever). My gross vehicle limit is 7,050, so that leave about 1,600. I am curious of your how your math works. Do you mind sharing? What is stupid is I would almost use all the payload if I just have 5 big dudes and fill up the gas tank, and get a cooler of big... Seems just wrong.

Jacques Lemieux Is your truck an eco boost?

@@jacqueslemieux1802 How sad is it that based on your numbers I know you have a reg cab 8ft bed 141" wheel base ecoboost. Be sure to check your driver door jamb, your payload might be slightly less than the brochure numbers but still more than adequate for this application.

For sure. The Country Squire station wagon packed full of kids and gear pulling a 25 foot air stream? The 1/2 ton Nazi's would poop their pants!!!!!

My Granddad was a pipeliner the late 50s and 60s and pulled an 8x40 trailer he lived in with my grandmother, my mom and aunt using a Buick Roadmaster. Similar setup to the one in the Lucy and Dezi movie "Long, Long Trailer." They moved all over the country in that rig.

How about the VW Beetle pulling the Gooseneck camp trailers. Those things were absolutely awesome 👌

HE COULD SELL SAND IN ANY DESERT

So true, terrible. You don’t tow a trailer that big with a (car) 1/2 ton truck!!!!!

Unsafe for the driver and everyone around him.

Don't use cheap Chinese tires , problem fixed ✅

I know.. right? I wouldn't try it with my old 93 Silverado Crew Cab / Long box 2wd piece of crap either, but with my 2017 Longhorn? Sure. If it squirms, it's under warranty and well within spec, I'll make them fix it.

Empty it's not. Add 400lbs. + driver to dry combo and it is over GCWR 16,200lbs.

Campers are getting ridiculously light. I bet that camper is 9000 lbs. Towing capacity is def. Over 10,000 lbs on that truck.

@@alexpuls8219 ITS NOT ABOUT TOWING CAP IT IS ABOUT PAYLOAD WHICH HE IS WAY...WAY...OVER

@@johnmills837 That's way too much for a 1/2 ton.

Jim Drummond that does not make any sense , not to bash your comment or anything. It’s a heavier truck not being aluminum , that’s probably why it may be a little more stable. As far as half ton goes the 3.5 ecoboost , or titan Xd Cummins is the far superior choice for towing . Trading in a 1 ton diesel for a tundra because it tows better makes zero sense godbless man

I know, I don't want to get into the debate either, but my 2017 Ram Longhorn with a 5.7 HEMI 400 HP/400 Ft-Lb with LT 20" BF Goodrich KO2s and 4-wheel auto-leveling air suspension doesn't tow or drive like a V6 base-model 2wd standard-cab either.

depends on the 1/2 tons gvwr and rawr engine hp/torque. The F150 HDPP has 8200/7850 gvwr depending on year models and 4800 rawr. The truck is heavier and better suited for the job than some of the older 3/4 ton trucks I've owned..

Timm Hagen wondering the same

maxracingteam23 I have a 2017 F150 EB with 6.5 box and the payload is only 2050...now subtract my weight, my wifes weight and kids weight, gear and I am guessing I have 1300 left over for payload at best...I am guessing that pin weight is more than that. Now if you just have two small adults you might be able to squeeze that number but even so I am guessing that aint the case either....not sure how they figure a half ton for a fiver

maxracingteam23 I had to look it up but looks like 1245 lbs hitch weight for the smallest fiver by open range....it might work just as long as there ain't much in the cab other than the driver

Timm Hagen it's pushing it with a 1/2 ton that's for sure, do you have the new updated 3.5 eco boost in your 2017?

These customers have put over 10,000 on this truck trailer combo. They have pulled from Missouri to Colorado and are very pleased with the performance of the truck and trailer.

Tax Payer basically same thing as a big rig a small truck pulling a big trailer. If you can't operate it then you shouldn't be driving it.

Tax Payer and it’s also called “trailer brakes”

@@brandonj.williams4661 < Smart prudent drivers wouldn’t drive an overloaded overtaxed rig.

I'll bet your over loaded

@@user-vz5ju3dt9d I pay attention to my weights and ocd to the point I always check tire pressure, oil, coolant, and do tons of checks. It’s to point my wife and kids know stopping for gas is 30 minute process for dad. I would argue I’m over kill for what I tow. A lot of the time people mistake the vehicle payload and towing capacity. Tires, suspension spring rates are 80% of what the manufacturer changes on trucks for higher ratings. 2500 to 3500 are a great example if you change tires, add or change a suspension component you can increase your limit. Greatest mistake I see are tire ratings on trailers being incorrect. I purchased a trailer and took it straight to tire shop to get correct load rated tires.

B&W hitch weighs 120lbs.

They looked pretty skinny to me...

That's your problem Wilder RV, you looked at one capacity (max towing) but ignored another. Every truck has a payload capacity as well. The payload capacity is almost always maxed out on 1/2 ton pickups before you reach your max towing capacity.

No max payload in 145" WB, payload max passengers and cargo is 2,030lbs. Pin on this dry is 1,500lbs and can get over 2,000lbs half way loaded. www.highlandridgerv.com/products/2016/light/fifth-wheels/LF311FLR Loaded to just 9,000lbs it would be at or over GCWR of this truck 16,2000lbs. Pull it empty with passengers is only way. RV expert my ass SMH www.ford.com/services/assets/Brochure?make=Ford&model=F-150&year=2018

You Dick! Payload is exceeded and most likely GCWR of this 7,050lbs GVWR F150

Hahahaha yea he gotta go back to school and learn what's 90 degrees means hahaha

You can’t increase payload capacity by doing anything to the truck. It is what it is.

Nope; I have this same setup, all the specs work out.

THE PIN WEIGHT ON THAT 5TH WHEEL IS PROLLY AT THE TRUCKS MAX PAYLOAD CAP WHICH FOR A 1/2 TON ALUMINUM BODY TRUCK IS ABOUT 1600 POUNDS...ADD TWO PEOPLE...FULL TANK OF GAS...GEAR...PROPANE TANKS..FULL WATER TANKS...YOUR WAY OVER...LOL.,..YOUR WHEEL BEARINGS WOULD BE TOAST AFTER A SHORT WHILE!

Why?

Ya probably not. New half tons are more capable that 90's three quarter tons. Better power better cooling better transmissions. 03 cummins 2500 rated to tow about 13000lb, new Ford f150s rated for about the same

@@alkalk8938 It's not the tow rating that's an issue, it's the payload. That 5th wheel has a pin weight of about 1600 lbs, the payload on the truck is only 2000, which leaves very little room for fuel, passengers, or even the weight of the hitch in the bed..... just not safe.

@@tonyj1965 that is true, especially with this setup. Take this example of trucks however: 2011 dodge 2500 5.7L crew long box 4x has 2130lb payload and 11xxxlb max trailer towing. VS 2018 f150 3.5eb crew short box 4x has 2030lb payload and 12800lb max trailer. The same person who looks at my 8000lb 5th wheel on my '1/2 ton' and thinks to themselves that I'm an idiot wouldn't have a second thought seeing that same 5th wheel on my '3/4 ton', not having a clue as to how close the payload ratings are, and that the 150 does tow it better. The term half ton 3/4 ton need to go away as they have no basis in reality.

My stupid 2018 f150 5.0 can pull upto 11600 lbs. i don't see any problem pulling that thing.

Brakes are plenty capable and are bigger than F250/F350s from 2004 to 2012. And minimal difference in truck weight. You need to look at the equipment specs and not the marketing materials. See to many rich folks driving 1 tons just to pull small campers and lawn mowers cause of misinformation on the internet.

@@IndependenceIron agree. People don't seem to understand that technology has improved greatly in the past 15 to 20 years. My new f-150 tows better than my dads old f-250. Some are just not open to change, even if for the better.

I guarantee it’s over payload with that rig.

Yeah man, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this army of individuals that are against even 'attempting' to pull a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton... I mean, if the math works out, it works out. If you're in the green with payload and tow ratings, then what's the deal there's got to be safety factors (not that anyone should knowingly exceed these ratings). I agree that lawsuits can get out of hand if you are proven to be grossly negligent in your truck/trailer combo, however if you are able to show you've done your due diligence the burden of proof for gross negligence would be on the other side. I mean, get a dash cam front and rear, drive safe, if you have a bad feeling or it feels awkward, then don't do it.

You got that right. A good strong crosswind would spell Big Trouble.

Don't take that set up threw Wyoming it'll take that little toy truck for a ride. And don't forget you gotta stop it as well then half ton breaks and rotors are gonna be smokin in no time even with the trailer breaks

I'd like to see the payload and tow sticker of the truck. Just want to be difficult with your guys. I really doubt Ford would over rate the chassis of the truck based on liability alone. The 2021 F150 if equipped correctly has a 3300 cargo capacity and 14k pound tow rating. Conservative of what the truck can actually do before breaking or becoming a true safety concern. Sure, who wouldn't want a 3/4 ton tow rig. But why if you are just going to a camp ground an hour from home. Seems like a waste to me in daily driving fuel economy and out of pocket upfront. But that's just me. I've owned several half ton trucks, and an f350, towed with them all. All safely too I might add never exceeding manufacturers ccc and tow numbers. I keep seeing comments about "I own this truck for running around and this other truck for towing" it isnt realistic for most people to own 49 vehicles, one for running for a gallon if milk, one to pick your dog up from the vet, one to go pick up carry out, etc. Or, my favorite, "get the right tool for the job" which means in most cases of going to the hardware store and buying a 4ft long pipe wrench to work on your kitchen sink. Literally I had a guy tell me to buy a 1 ton to pull a 5th wheel with a 1400 pound pin weight, that a half ton just can't do it. Not enough information given in this video to comment whether it is actually safe to do or not. Would I personally take this set up through the rocky mountains? Hell no...aside from the fact the rocky mountains are entirely too close to California for my liking, I wouldn't want to deal with the truck being under powered nor the truck not having enough weight to control it in a downgrade. On the other hand, would I take this rig a couple house from home for a long weekend? Damn right I would if the trailer and cargo limits do not exceed the trucks sticker. There are way more factors in making these decisions on tow rig and trailer that everyone leaves out. How far will you be towing? How frequent? Will you be loading down with a bunch of gear every trip? Do you live in the mountains? Will you be piling 5 clowns and a midget in the vehicle with you? Do you own a hamster? Lots of questions need answered before making these decisions. Lots.

Yeah and you can head all that so you can haul more and level out but if you ever get stopped and they look at your registration or what the vehicle can tow it as is a load capacity and your trailer out ways that you'll get a ticket

And if you get into an accident and hurt someone, you’re going to prison cuz you didn’t stay within GM’s tow rating.

addition of a little water wetter to the coolant will help the engine temp stay cooler easier or swapping out the mechanical engine fan for an electric fan will save a bit of engine power, plus can have a temp sensor wired to it to kick on or off. Just stay safe and legal is all rest of my advice.

He seems to have left that part out. I would never pull a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton. Just asking for trouble 😂

Nope. I got a 13 Ecoboost and I cant even put a bike rack on the back. Lolz. But yeah, that's way too mucg

I have a 1989 F-250. It's rated at 8000lb towing capacity. It has smaller brakes, a weaker frame, weaker engine, and weaker suspension and axles than this half ton. Yet, nobody would bat an eye simply because of that "F-250" badge on the side. My 2001 F-150 is more capable in every way. Having towed the same trailers with both of them, I would much prefer to do it with the F-150. Yes the new 3/4 ton trucks are much stronger, but they're also completely unnecessary.

there is no wedge used in this setup.

It's still an offset kingpin.

the kingpin is designed by lippert who is the frame manufacturer.

Argue with B & W, not me.

not trying to argue just adding to your comment. You said that B&W doesn't allow a wedge system to work which you are correct by saying that. I'm simply saying that in this setup there is no wedge used. We are both correct.

Dan Harris right. I would never tow that with a half-ton on a long trip.

The price between this and a 3/4 ton is so minimal why would you even consider using a 1/2 ton for this?

I would use a 3/4 ton or 1 ton

Jess Roberts I would tow this all day long with an F-150 and it’ll do it with ease, not to mention an infinitely better ride than a 3/4 ton.

Get Wrecked You choose ride quality over safety?

kingrider75 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

The heavier ones are 8400. The lower weighted ones come down to 7400. My f150 has a maximum towing capacity of 11,200. I think either would be fine.

@@PawPaws_Place < Your payload capacity is why you shouldn’t tow this load not your tow capacity.

They work fine for some people.

Yes, it's lame. 6.5 bed ought to be the minimum length, even for crew cabs.

Its not about what fits in the truck bed, but rather if the truck fits into the garage with closed door.

Skip the half-ton towing part, I think the value of the video is in looking at combinations that would work. I personally don't drive an f'ing "work truck", I like my Denalis & Ram Longhorns... neither of which have many options for an 8-foot bed, nor would I want a Crew or Mega Cab with another 8 feet hanging back there. So for a 6.5 & 5.5 foot world, I'm interested at hitch combinations.

@@CharlesCHubbard Exactly. Not everyone lives in a single-wide out on 10 acres somewhere.

I just rented a 27 ft travel trailer to test out my 3.5 Ecoboost. It was not a great towing experience. I checked all weights and was well within the 80% of my capacity. I did get 12 mpg going 55 over 330 miles traveled. It can be done, it's just not enjoyable with a 1/2 ton truck.

@@BenDover-sc5du "It can be done, it's just not enjoyable with a 1/2 ton truck." .........and right you are but you mentioned a 'travel trailer' which can be easier than a 5th wheel wheel. Generally, the travel trailer presents far less air resistance and the ½ton can handle the tongue weight. I only know of a couple of light weight (under 6,000 lbs. dry weight and less than 25 feet) 5th wheel units that I would pull with a well equipped ½ ton . The Winnebago Micro Minnie 2405RL pin weight of 1,060 lbs. UVW 5,780 lbs. GVWR 7,700 lbs. The Allen Camper Idle-Time 219 RKS pin weight of 550 lbs. UVW 4950 lbs. GVWR: 7600 lbs. The KZ Sportsmen 231RK pin weight of 840 lbs. UVW 6,100 lbs. GVWR 7,000 lbs. There are even smaller 5th wheels available but there's a limit to 'small'.

not in stock. we could order something through our parts department if you would like to give them a call 660-885-6177.

did this truck have a air bag suspension kit?

@@Mr1987alan this truck was completely stock.

here is a link to my website. all the specs are on here. www.wilderrv.com/inventory/7305/clinton-missouri-fifthwheel-open-range-light-319rls.php?sstring=319

a box with a half box behind

David Mathew ummm for people with a family and uses their truck? 5 foot box may not be much but it’s better than nothing

5.5 jack!

David Mathew I'm actually looking for a new 5.0 single cab short bed I won't buy anything else

idk why you complain about other peoples purchase.

Charlie Mitchell We have a 2018 open range light model 293 RLS at our Clinton location Please check this unit out at Wilderrv.com

Ford advises against towing 5th wheels without max payload which only come optioned in long bed trucks. Short bed crew cabs do not have enough payload capacity and only have a GVWR of 7,000lbs. You need max tow and max payload F150 to tow a 5th wheel if it is loaded to camp and have passengers

You are a fool for generalizing and pushing this is not overloading this trucks GVWR, payload capacity and GCWR. You need to find another sales job and stay away from RV/Trucks

Check out pullrite automatic sliding 5th wheels. Works like a dream.

@@bigtrucklittlerv7969 This is their brochure where they list 5th wheel tow ratings. So, I wouldn't say they are completely discouraging it by disclosing these numbers, granted there is a *red* disclaimer at the top. www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/19Towing_Ford_F150_Oct25.pdf

I agree this guy is a good salesman but dont know the LAW

3.5L Eco Boost

I have 3.5 and 24 ft trailer that's huge ... ppl drive this set up bc you are DOOMED... like understand if ur just driving around flat ground ... would not recommend ppl driving this set up... in British Columbia ....asking for trouble .. or worse ... terrible set up

Ok, first there is no way that truck with the 20" rims and 6 lug configuration has the heavy duty payload package as that requires the 18" rim and 7 lug pattern, so maximum payload capacity of a 145" WB f150 4x4 super crew ecoboost is 2060. Also Ford doesn't offer the Heavy Duty Payload Package on the 5.5' bed for that model year. The spray in bed liner and lariat features will further reduce the payload as will the 200lb B&W Hitch. Lets be generous and assume no add-ons or features and only the hitch, you now have 1860 lbs to play with. Also that specific configuration has a max 5th wheel tow rating of 9800 and a GCWR of 16100. The payload rating doesn't assume a 150lb driver that's only done for a slide in camper and if you go by those ratings then the payload is even further reduced. A 3.5l EB with 157" WB 4x4 SC with HDPP has a cargo weight rating of 1808 down from the 2650 payload rating, magically enough when Ford takes into account the weight of people a full tank of gas and the equipment to outfit the vehicle, they also remove that extra weight from its capability. Now this truck has an unrealistic payload of 2060-200 for hitch and being generous we have a 150lb driver, you now have 1710lbs of payload. Empty trailer weights don't include propane, batteries, hoses, tanks, tools, chalks, and the many many other accessories RVers carry with them, so lets assume these people travel with a truly empty camper and buy everything when they get to the site. A 7485lb 5th wheel has a pin weight between 1122.75lbs and 1871.25lbs giving you a maximum of 587.25lbs for everything over a tank of gas and your 150lb driver assuming this truck was bare bones. Keep in mind you also have a GAWR of around 3800lbs for the rear axle on this truck and you will be getting pretty close to hitting it with this setup.

@@brandenbrooks8560 Buyer beware of these reported half ton tow able fifth wheel trailers. There are two parameters that must be met: tow capacity and payload capacity. I have seen very few dealers who will talk about payload capacity. They tell you that your truck is capable of towing something like 9600 lbs, or so, and you can tow this easily as it only weighs around 7000 lbs, or so. But you seriously need to also look at the payload capacity. This is written on the driver’s door pillar and is set for each individual truck as it comes off the line. Do not use brochure numbers. In my truck, the payload capacity was 1600 lbs. Then you have to subtract these weights: King Pin weight (~1200 lbs.), fifth wheel hitch weight (~200 lbs.), 15% - 20% of the cargo weight in the trailer ( include battery, propane and cargo), cargo in the tow vehicle ( you and other individuals, pets, and all cargo, not just that in the bed ). You are over payload pretty quick. Don’t pay attention to people who post that they tow their trailer just fine. It is not about tow capacity. It is about payload capacity. It is like bending a paper clip. It won’t break on the first bend but it will eventually break. So will something in your truck: tires, bearings, suspension, etc. If you are unfortunate enough to have someone hurt and the lawyers get involved, you might lose your house and all your savings. How can then the dealer report fifth wheel tow able? There are some, but very few, half ton trucks that are built with a special heavy duty package. These are very special order units. Look at the payload capacity on you driver door pillar and stay safe.

Mannie 3.5 twin turbo v6

Your right Jason.. Also he is a salesman, he doesn't know shit anyways.. Cheers

It actually does that 3.5 EcoBoost has a 13,000 conventional rating

American Truck Nation Sarcasm?

@@THETOPGLOCK nope

American Truck Nation Well that’s a real bummer.

jbwolfgram it is though ... an L shape is 90 degrees

@@austinp1124 no its not look at the truck and trailer position it is not a full 90...looks like 80 or so

WOOD BUTCHER oh I see the truck is at a kind of an angle and not fully facing the camera

@@austinp1124 DO LIKE I DID.....buy a 3/4 ton turbo 8 cylinder with a good towing package...you will never be in trouble.

LISTEN AT ABOUT 1:08....BIG SNAP

this truck has a B&W turn over ball with the B&W companion fifth wheel hitch in the bed.

@@WilderRVClinton how about the payload capacity? Did u upgrade anything to help the load? I just want to tow the 5th wheels to the property. I can't afford to upgrade to super duty yet😌

@@Overland-460 this customer did nothing to upgrade the payload capacity.