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I'd like to set compare video of an SS1LE vs a GT PP2 in the same video.. I'm a mustang guy but I still think with both cars having the same tires, the 1LE have the W.
wow it beat the ss 1le by one full second that is very impressive. I have an ss 1le and all i have to say is good job ford... i would never buy a ford but definitely good job
lots of raw grip, but is it a better car? better lap times sure, but motortrend put it dead last saying it's just a cheap effort to make the car lap faster at the expense of driving feel, and balance.
Honfy Lam well I’ve seen new mustangs run from low 40’s to 50. The GT350R msrp is 66. But the dealer markup is insane, the cheapest I’ve found was over 90. Hence the 40 you can save. If everything sold at msrp they would be a lot closer and no one would buy the PP2 if they could get the GT350R for 66.
Honfy Lam - their job is to find something about the car they don’t like will people actually notice the driving feel ? When 3/4 people in America drive cars that drive like trash on public roads.
caf0011 - What type of stupid fucking comment is this it comes stock with those tires Ford put out a better track package. Period. That’s like saying the car is faster because it has better brakes that’s all. It’s a better car period.
Your logic is basic and simple at best. Tires are a commonly interchangeable part of a car. You are correct, run what you brung. But in this case it's clear that the tires make the difference, not the engineering, the mustang is still an unbalanced mess. That's what type of fucking comment this is my friend.
caf0011 - You sound like a fanboy. What you’re referring to is what happened between the GT350R and the ZL1. The zl1 was faster around the track but the GT350R feels better is was engineered better. Same thing with the PP2 and SS 1lE. Also what do you expect from a car that has 305’s all around? A smooth ride ? Cmon same issue with the Z/28 the ride on a uneven road was bumpy and harsh. Get over it. PP2 faster around the track by a whole second might as well of been 5 seconds. From Motortrends the head to head GT350R vs ZL1 “The thing is, when you get these two studs on a winding canyon road, the Shelby is the car you want to be driving. That steering simply comes alive. The GT350R sports one of the best-feeling front ends I've had the privilege of experiencing. It's simply excellent. This Shelby's shifter shifts better, the engine feels better (who wouldn't take an 8,250-rpm redline over a 6,500-rpm limit?), the brake pedal feels better, and the car is simply sportier in every way. The R's just more fun to drive. Again, I'm not sure how Ford Performance did it, but I think there's a layer of pixie dust baked into the GT350R. I might call it a thing divine.” .....”Until such a time, the GT350R remains not only the ultimate Mustang but also the ultimate ponycar. Ford has won this battle, though the war has no end in sight.”
@@CoyoteFTW no fanboy. And what I'm referring to is exactly what I referred to. The 1le is a better handling car. Ford's ace in the hole with this current mustang was to slap on the cups. It's a wee bit more complex than that. The new camaros simply have superior suspension, thus handling balance. This is hardly disputed. Yet you seem to. Why?
caf0011 -Not around the VIR it’s not a whole second isn’t all tires buddy but sure. Ignore facts. Like the FACT that the mustang GT PP2 kicked the SS 1lE’S ass by a WHOLE second. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to.
I think it is more impressive that it beat the Camaro SS 1LE, which was also faster than the M5 and has been sort of the lone champion of the $40-50k bracket since it came out.
@@Dolby109 I was surprised at that also. If I had to pick one to track though I’d go with the 1le being that it has transmission and differential coolers
Great time. What would be interesting to see is how much difference those tires make on a PP1, I am guessing somewhere 3-4seconds maybe more on a track like this.
hmmmm🤔🤔🤔 wow i just bought a pp2 mustang for $54k while the sales man was trying to push me a gt350 for $3000 dollars more i wouldn't call it poor man's shelby by any means your still paying more than 1k per month not everybody can afford that. and the reason i didn't went for the gt350 is because i already put down money for the gt500 2020. 45% down . i want to give this pp2 to my son and i will keep the gt500 for my self.
coyote gen 3 wow your a great father, saving the manuals and giving your son an amazing car, your legitimately a hero. I’m getting my moms 2009 Toyota Highlander😂
For what it's worth, I ran two track days at COTA with an HPDE group and while the temps pushed the limit, it never overheated. That said, I went ahead and installed a diff cooler anyway, just to eliminate the possibility. But each session at COTA was near 30 minutes and I never went into the red on axle temps.
The mustang gt pp level 2 (Ford you have to get that name under control.) I say call it a level 2 Mustang GT. But it accomplished its main goal in beating the Camaro ss 1le. And it did it on America's toughest track.
@@Spiritcr1jsher Ford might have said that wasn't the goal at all. But come on. I was not born last night. The cars are way too similar and the SS 1le and the level 2 mustang gt is priced exactly the same. Trust me, Ford definitely made this car to compete with the SS 1le. I don't care what they say.
Well we can wish all we want, but that kind of weight reduction would add at least $30k to the price tag. The worst part was in ~2014 when Ford said the 2015 Mustang chassis was going to be 400lbs lighter than the then current Mustang, meaning it would be ~3300lbs for the GT. Then it came out and was a net total of 100lbs heavier somehow. And worse since the weight wasn't in the chassis it was higher up. I still don't know how Ford managed to add 500lbs of tech and safety equipment to the car.
I agree, and think the weight comes from the car being much larger than it needs to be. The back seat hasn't gotten any bigger since 2005, but the car keeps getting bigger on the outside. I remember when Ford installed the Coyote engine the Mustang gained a little length and width, with no changes to the wheelbase or track. When they added the IRS the Mustang gained even more bulk, mostly at the tail lights. Maybe Ford saw how Dodge was marketing the Challenger and decided sheer size was a selling point. Well, not to me, it isn't. Mustangs are pretty, the V8 sounds great, the suspension keeps improving, and it's *huge* for being functionally a 2-seater.
I agree and the Camaro is at least 200-300lbs too heavy. Both Ford and Chevy should shoot for the 3500 max mark for their track-focused cars. While I love my SS 1LE and the Alpha platform hides it's weight very well, they could make these a little smaller without sacrificing interior or trunk space. Take a look at the M2 Comp for example, smaller but more interior and trunk room than my Camaro. Don't tell me the LT1s need more room than BMW's straight-six. People shove LS motors in Miatas for Christ sake!
I’m a mustang fan all day and love the look. If i had the money it’d be the only vehicle I’d buy, but the Camaro SS 1LE did beat it around Laguna Seca with Randy Pobst behind the wheel during Motor Trend Best Drivers Car 2016 & 2018.
Bobby Hudson .65 by literally less than a second you’re telling me you’re gonna feel that difference? The mustang beating the ss 1lE on this track by whole second.
Wondering if the same drivers drove both vehicles? What was the weather like? Tires makes a huge difference too. Either way you can’t lose with either car. I just keep seeing the 1LE in every other test being superior except this one...
Can't go wrong with either unless you actually track your car. This model Mustang has overheating issues with the diff after 3 laps. www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/confirmed-mustang-gt-pp2-overheats-in-3-laps-on-track.110246/
The POV for the top of the screen looks great, but the POV for the bottom of the screen was a bit disorienting while viewing. There had to be a better way of catching these 2 views... Other than that, I've seen this video multiple times and really enjoy it!
This looks impressive but I'm really interested in how the Level 2 Performance Pack affects this car's ability to take out bystanders at Cars and Coffee.
*Mustang Is ‘Eating Camaro’s Lunch’ In The Showroom, Chevrolet Camaro Chief Engineer Admits* Sept 12, 2018 Which of America’s three current-generation pony cars - the Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro, and Dodge Challenger - is the best buy is largely a subjective matter, but in the very objective department of sales volume, the Camaro is losing out big-time. “Frankly, [the Mustang has] been eating our lunch,” Chevrolet Camaro Chief Engineer Al Oppenheiser said earlier this month. “The low [transaction prices] of a four-cylinder… that’s where the bulk of the sales are and that’s where our pricing strategy needed improvement. We plan to go head to head - and win.” The Chevrolet Camaro is currently third in the three-car U.S. pony car segment for sales, ceding first and second to the Ford Mustang and Dodge Challenger. To combat this, the Camaro’s base price has dropped by nearly a thousand dollars with the arrival of the 2019 mid-cycle update, while the 2019 Mustang’s price floor has moved up by a couple hundred dollars. Destination included, the 2019 Chevrolet Camaro now starts $1,120 cheaper than the Ford Mustang, and that could be enough to sway buyers who aren’t bound by fervent brand loyalty. Then again, to appeal to potential buyers, performance products like the Mustang and Camaro need to offer, well, performance. It remains to be seen whether the Chevy’s new, lower price is enough to offset its lower peak power rating of 275 horsepower, versus 310 for the Mustang EcoBoost. For the year so far, Chevrolet Camaro sales have slid roughly 28 percent, which is about three times greater than the decline in sportscar sales overall. The GM brand can only hope that its new, lower sticker price - as well as its brand-new Turbo 1LE model, which brings track-oriented performance to the entry-level four-cylinder model - is enough to reverse its fortunes. U.S. sales of the Ford Mustang through the end of August are pretty much dead even with where they were a year prior, down roughly a percent at 55,849 units. fordauthority.com/2018/09/mustang-is-eating-camaros-lunch-in-the-showroom-chevrolet-camaro-chief-engineer-admits/
unfortunately the pp2 package will not allow to plow through a group of people as much...but with 460 hp now, at least mustangs can plow through em harder
After watching a video here about the Corvette. It appears the Vette does a better job taking out crowds. Time to move on with something new. The real issue is no one is buying the Camaro reducing it's chances to be at car & coffee events. Hard to hit someone while setting unsold on GM dealer lots collecting dust. By the way. Nice video. Certainly makes spending extra $$$ for a Shelby tougher.
Instead of arguing about the Mustang or the Camaro, consider this: Most people who own either will not drive or own the SS 1LE or GT PP2, never mind a racetrack (what is the total sales for each? 5% at most?)...... How about the auto-10 speed GT with the PP1? Or the most basic Camaro Auto? These will almost pull 1 g's in the skid-pad and the autos will rip the others in the daily grind, where most people drive and at the easier, more accessible 1/4 mile track. If you live and work in the City, you know what I mean....
At least this video had a windshield view. The SS 1LE only had the helmet cam and it makes you sick and frustrated while watching. In other words.... it sucks C&D!
This car is about $15K cheaper than the GT350R if you don't factor in the dealer markup on the R's. If you do factor in the dealer markup on the GT350R, then this car is about $50K cheaper.
Rear diff Overheated every session...from the linked article "But with no differential cooler, the rear axle overheated every time we took the Mustang out, often in as few as three hot laps, and even with easy laps staggered between them"
big yee it did, but I don’t remember C&D saying the Camaro had issues with that kind of sustained speed. I love the Mustang (probably more so than the Camaro), but no denying that Ford built it to a cost if its having this type of issue. Kinda like the GT350 when it first hit dealer lots (when not equipped with tech or track pack or whatever).
It's the tires. R compounds are good for at least 2 seconds vs a street tire. That's where most of the difference between the regular 350 and the R is found. That and those ultra light wheels.
Proud owner of a 2020 PP2 here. I'm days away from putting it to sleep for the winter (I'm in Ontario Canada), this has been wishing I did a track day or two this year.
*Mustang Is ‘Eating Camaro’s Lunch’ In The Showroom, Chevrolet Camaro Chief Engineer Admits* Sept 12, 2018 Which of America’s three current-generation pony cars - the Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro, and Dodge Challenger - is the best buy is largely a subjective matter, but in the very objective department of sales volume, the Camaro is losing out big-time. “Frankly, [the Mustang has] been eating our lunch,” Chevrolet Camaro Chief Engineer Al Oppenheiser said earlier this month. “The low [transaction prices] of a four-cylinder… that’s where the bulk of the sales are and that’s where our pricing strategy needed improvement. We plan to go head to head - and win.” The Chevrolet Camaro is currently third in the three-car U.S. pony car segment for sales, ceding first and second to the Ford Mustang and Dodge Challenger. To combat this, the Camaro’s base price has dropped by nearly a thousand dollars with the arrival of the 2019 mid-cycle update, while the 2019 Mustang’s price floor has moved up by a couple hundred dollars. Destination included, the 2019 Chevrolet Camaro now starts $1,120 cheaper than the Ford Mustang, and that could be enough to sway buyers who aren’t bound by fervent brand loyalty. Then again, to appeal to potential buyers, performance products like the Mustang and Camaro need to offer, well, performance. It remains to be seen whether the Chevy’s new, lower price is enough to offset its lower peak power rating of 275 horsepower, versus 310 for the Mustang EcoBoost. For the year so far, Chevrolet Camaro sales have slid roughly 28 percent, which is about three times greater than the decline in sportscar sales overall. The GM brand can only hope that its new, lower sticker price - as well as its brand-new Turbo 1LE model, which brings track-oriented performance to the entry-level four-cylinder model - is enough to reverse its fortunes. U.S. sales of the Ford Mustang through the end of August are pretty much dead even with where they were a year prior, down roughly a percent at 55,849 units. fordauthority.com/2018/09/mustang-is-eating-camaros-lunch-in-the-showroom-chevrolet-camaro-chief-engineer-admits/
Ecadman87 - is this comparison perfect? No, almost none are, but this is about as close as you can get to an objective track comparison between the cars on the list *in the hands of intermediate drivers*. Motor Trend has a similar list at Laguna Seca, but with Pro driver Randy Pobst. Each year they add 12ish new cars to the list and it keeps growing. Sure weather is a bit different but it's close enough. Edit: I forgot to mention the SS 1LE beat the GT PP2 on Laguna Seca. So the two cars are close enough that it would come down to the track or driver.
Agreed. The Lightning Lap competitions are inconsistent. Even the Ford GT had a siginificantly different lap time than last year. Motor Trend's BDC is a much better comparison in that aspect.
Where's my "COME-ON MAN" flag?! So there's arguing/bragging over the PP2 "beat" the SS 1LE...I don't see that the '18 SS 1LE was raced during this event? Sure its the same track, but that doesn't make it the same track or weather conditions to argue over a lousy second in a different year? How many people on here have raced a car, dragstrip or road coarse and realize way more goes into an optimum lap time? Also, Ford, go fix your rear end issue then come back and play with the SS 1LE, just another reason why I didn't buy a Mustang. It takes Ford 2+ years and a second PP effort to compete with the '16 SS 1LE which was done right the first time. Bottom line: Its great to see American Muscle here as its a win-win for all muscle car enthusiasts, we've all reaped the benefits of competition here.
To get an accurate sense of how much this car would cost, I would go to Ford's website and build a PP2 with all the options and features I would want on it. The way I built mine, it came out to $47K.
@@rggt6225 Where I live the GT350 is an $85,000 car, because the dealer marks them up $25k (The price of an EcoBoost Mustang!). I keeping hoping one sits on the lot until the markup is erased, but someone always comes along and pays the $85k.
@@ankursolanky4129 A guy in my sports car club says he got his for $37k. I don't quite understand how, but he was pissed at a Virginia dealer for taking his deposit and jerking him around, so after a few months he crossed the state line, and apparently a dealer in NC had a PP2 car and he snatched it up.
If you watch both the SS 1LE and GT PP2 videos you'll see the GT has higher top speed at the end of the straights and entering the climbing S's. The GT is making more power but even with MUCH better tires, the 1LE doesn't give up any time in the corners. VIR is a fast track and the GT & GT350 will put time on the 1LE. Slower tracks like MRLS will be a driver's race against the two. Both are amazing cars and remember folks, the winners with competition like this are the consumers. If you want to see how both compare with the same tires on a slower track, search for the Throttle House video.
What is the difference in tire U r talkin about the 17 SS 1LE too had good Years Eagle F1 tires, the top tier track tires from GY and I ve been on Eagle series tires and apart from being a little bit more resistant to side wall shredding the lateral grips on f1s are on similar levels to that of MSPC2s, the thing U ve to understand is Mischellin as a brand has more advertisement and more fans but GYs are equally good and actually are better for cars like Mustangs,Camaros etc because it has slightly better side walls meaning lasts longer while providing almost 99% LGs compared with MPSC2, The only issue with GY F1 is that its a tad too sensitive to tire pressure Now U say the Mustang s doing all this f better tire, come on, if the Cup2s grip better it shud be slower up the straights , more road resistance, again pointless Now Did you see the power to weight of both the SS and the GT?? See there is a reason Ford chose a OHC engine back in 90s, despite having just 8.4 lb/hp as opposed to 8.2 of SS the , despite having a lower CG for the SS as OHCs are top heavy, despite Fords 6 speed MT being inferior to GMs 7 speed and above all despite the 5.0 making just 380-390 ft pounds to wheels as opposed to 450 ft pounds torque the GT pulled higher speeds, see its the effect of OHC power ie to sustain HP for longer duration or it has a much wider power band Now 1 might ask why the Mustang got outclassed in shorter tracks, answer is simple, as U ve pointed out the Mustangs chassis ie S550 is way inferior to camaros, the rear torsen diff too is just passable . The best part of Mustang is the 5.0 and people buy it for that, very few US made engines are good enuf to cross SDPS BMEP power measures , for more info watch this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bE_1JYrlYYU.html
Jorge Villarejo last I checked it kills the 6.2n/a and this thing is way faster than the hell cat around the track... fords new gt500 is going to have 700+
Dodge is making a 4200 lb car with the aerodynamics of a brick shithouse and trying to tell us it's sporty. Dodge is going after a drag racing niche, and quietly showing that they *know* they can't hang with Ford or Chevy on a road course.
If you look into it, you'll see that the new gen 3 Coyotes are now able to pull on 392 Chargers and Challengers stock for stock. That's saying that 460hp is really close to the 475/485hp of the 392s at the wheels. Indeed, the Coyote's are torque challenged because of their displacement disadvantage but as long as they are driven in their power band, they seem to have a david vs goliath effect.
reactor4 it is. They never use the same driver tho. And not all the drivers are good. The Ford GT finished 10 seconds slower than what most professionals tested it at.
Kinda funny how when Ford beats Chevy, and a nunber of other cars, its like ahh crap (keep it quiet!) But if Chevy ever has a fast lap car its like the greatest story of the year.. def a lot of bias (non ply) there.
wow congrats ford. you beat last year's old design Camaro. showing your hand was a bad idea. now GM (who holds the patents to the magnetic system) you stole,will have a rebuttal. Nothing to get all excited about.
No GM does not hold the patents to magnaride. They were developed by Delphi and patented by Delphi with GM getting 0 patents on it because Delphi did it in house and produced it after GM sold Delphi. GM was simply the first customer of Delphis magnaride. Do you really think if GM patented magnaride other companies would get to use it without paying them a dime? Because that is what is happening.
@@ericmartin894 Like I said GM used it first in a Caddy. But they did not develop it, nor do they own the patents. Ford used multimatic shocks first, that doesn't mean they own the patents hence why the Chevrolet ZR2 uses multimatic shocks as well. Ford did develop and patent plasma arch cylinder linings and that is why Nissan pays royalties to Ford for the technology to be used in the GTR.
This guy's a Dumb Shit Ford gives the customer what they want to buy, and that's a bad thing? Don't Forget, the Ford is aftermarket friendly and I can make it go as fast as I want it to.
@@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8 This guy is a dumb shit. Thinking that sales numbers make the car. If that's the case the Camry is the best and most sporty car of any segment. It's also the quickest and fastest car of any of the competing cars. On a more serious note. If you just assume that I'm some dumb shit that doesn't know what he's talking about, have fun with that. Have fun trolling people.
It’s all rubber, the results are ruined. Take off those tires and run a normal staggered setup like every other car manufacturer with that power level and see how it runs. Running 305 all around is like running a 150 shot of NOS and saying it’s stock
So it comes like that from the factory. It’s the Performance Pack Level 2. I would still buy a regular mustang GT and opt to aftermarket lighter wheels and tires. Because running all season tires on the track is pointless if you’re trying to squeeze performance out of the car to impress but hurt fanboys like you.
