Foreman Unemployable | House M.D.. 

It feels like Kutner and Chase were close to being on the same level of "medical deduction" that House had, but Foreman had the most cynicism to be wrought out of him.

What bothers me about this show is the fact that literally almost everyone has this deduction gift and possibility to see far deeper than normal people. Watch the show closely even the patients capable of this

wasn't it the same place too?

@@wzet2194 To b fair, some of these patients have hours and hours staring at blank walls to think things through.

He’s house lite

Not liked in the medical field either, but his skill was greatly respected. After all, he was known as one of the most brilliant diagnosticians in the country at the time. Sorry for the 1yr necro!

@@Appri Can you imagine how many life he could of saved if he wasn't high on vicodin and was responsible?

@@jameswhite3415 he works better when he's on vicodin. That's what the show explores... House's skill as a doctor goes down when his health & mental health improves, and it's like a bad cycle.

@@Appri Or it just temporary goes down and would go up if it was long term.

@@jameswhite3415 and Who dies in the long term?

all that time and energy and sacrifice just to be placed in the politics of medicine. Yuck

And what I dont understand is why they gave the guy so much shit for not listening to them and he saved that persons life. Fuck they were gonna let that person die basically

@@alexjv1370 following every rule and still failing to save the patient is acceptable (it's not like the doctors are the one's who die). Skipping a rule and being right, which saves the patient? Good result, bad precedent. What if you weren't right? what if you killed the patient while breaking a rule? How does the hospital and your boss explain that? That seems like the most plausible reason.

Screw that, just never go into it. Or leave the state. Don't play the games.

It is inevitable that you will screw up.

Loved this line.

Lite?

Savage

Then Chase is House zero? Or House Vanilla?

House Down Under

wit's end*

@@muhammadosama3358 wits' end*

Cuddy is not smart smart that's why there is friction between her and House. The thing House appreciates about Cuddy is her ability to take on bullshit and be a tough cookie; her Shakespearean flaw is when her toughness goes out the window and she becomes a pandering sycophant to society's posing and posturing. It bugs House a lot that Cuddy is tough and ruthless without being cut throat but instead chooses to be a weak personality instead. If Cuddy were more intelligent she would see her personal dissonance just like House. It is why House pushes her a lot hoping for the claws to come out but Cuddy always ends up folding, which annoys House into prodding her even more. Really, he just wants her real character to come out and cut the bs.

wits en'd*

Wits endses***

He have her job now. Who would complain? It sorted out pretty well in the end.

Yes, but he would be pretty miserable too among the team. Coz House will find out how much Foreman is being paid and disclose that to the team just to make him suffer.

Vintage Cuddy?

The irony being that Foreman ends up as Cuddy 2.0 and Chase as House 2.0

Over House's jerkiness, we sometimes forget that Cuddy can be quite feisty too.

@@IronMan-tk8uc before the actress decided to leave and they had to completely destroy her and houses character arch; which in turn blackballed them into ending the series in the somber note that it did.

True

@BartJ583 It wasn't. Foreman had House to rely on to make some of the necessary decisions. Foreman then took the bone marrow out of a kid, basically torturing him only because it was the only way to save the kid's brother. Immediately after he noticed he was becoming like House and decided to give his two weeks notice. It's not out of the blue. Foreman had already become more like House which is something g he absolutely hates.

"When you gaze into the abyss..."

The abyss gazes into you.

BartJ583 what? Foreman was always alluded to being similar to House. It’s built up even in the first season. It’s brilliant.

"Get it, blackballed..because you're black.."

"...And your head looks like a ball"

BBC

Right after the previous scene of the guy telling him he wish he had his stones. LOL coincidence? I think not!!!!!

@@zabaoth 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

This is perfect hahaha

ya knowing ur the not the best but to be the shadow of the best

I think you're right. Managers love people that get fired after 3 weeks.

They will if you're a doctor

True enough. But this is the medical field, not putting it on only looks worse, because you can bet the administrator already knows your past. As was with both people who interviewed him. They both already know about foreman's past. One way or another.

Didnt you watch the clip? The boss guy spoke to his former boss even before the interview. There's no hiding in the medical field. Your advice is valid if it's a 3 week stint at Walmart or McDonalds.

This is a fast food job you do 0megacron it's an actually job.. With adults that know stuff..

yes

Not sure if you ever saw the show, but House always qualifies as not just a Heavy Weight, but the perpetual Champ in his class.

If House recycles does that make him a *green house*

If House gets arrested, would it be a 'House arrest'?

Sorry I'm late to the dance....but your puns are hilarious.

Probably didn't help with the "House Lite vs House Classic" line. Just straight up told him he was a knock-off lol

@@nateriver4951 yes but he understands because he disobeyed protocol to save the patient. A very house thing to do. House is famous, and trusted, but NOT to be replicated.

Actually, its Lisa's TV contract issues that caused Foreman to take over Cuddy's as Dean. Story wise reasoning is more like Foreman "quit" medicine for the desk job because he was afraid of becoming House; whereas Chase didn't but called out House on his bs (which makes him respect Chase even more) and kept improving. Thus why House calls Chase the Prodigal Son (its a layered joke both heavy handed but friendly and full of admiration)

That's the only way to make demands. Either like that or with hostages

@@Ghaltouni And he still doesn’t get what he demands.

Honestly it's the correct move. Denying the initial offer only to come back later to accept no changes shows something went wrong and you are at a disadvantage. By countering with better benefits, he gets to play it like he has all the cards, plus Cuddy already seemed desperate at the lunch so he thinks he has the leverage. To her credit, she correctly realizes he has no other options and low balls, maintaining an authoritative position but also getting to show compassion by hiring the un-hirable. They both played it well, Cuddy just had the better hand.

@@bofoshow5189yes, exactly. If Foreman had even one shoddy competing offer, a stunt like that would make him bank at his old job. Shows that he was good at negotiating. He was at too much of a disadvantage to negotiate though.

@ '5 to 9' actually.

I doubt Lisa Edelstein is anything like her character.

@@briancrawford8751 Both the actress and the character in the show share the first name Lisa, OP probably didnt mean the actress

@@causti9744 Yes, you are most likely correct. I thank you for pointing that out, and I will admit that I am likely wrong.

Yeah, she needed him and she got him for a good price. But she communicated she has no ill intent this way

@@supersonictumbleweed Yeah, plus he did it to himself. He already had a magnifying glass on him, because he worked under House for years. Then he went and did something stupid, heroic, but nonetheless stupid. He should've kept his head down and do everything by the book. Wish ironically is what he wanted to do, and why he wanted to get away from House. Well his "reason" for leaving, but as we saw, that definitely wasn't a reason. The real reason was he felt he was becoming like house, and though that is something great far as being a physician, it's the complete opposite as a person.....Yeah, no one wants to be House the person. But sadly him as a doctor, and him as a person goes hand in hand.

Can you remind me when something like this happened to Gregory House?

@@MoodyBluesRequiem80Search for "Compromised Judgement" on the same YT channel. Although House was being sarcastic and didn't actually expect Cuddy to agree to his terms.

You must've gotten a heart attack when he ended up as Dean of medicine lmao

​@@judigemini178 i share OP's sentiment and no Foreman being the Dean meant nothing really. Cause he always thought of himself as house but kinder which is obviously untrue and in this universe being as smart as house is the real win while still keeping a level head which I think Chase did much better than lousy foreman. 😂😂😂

@@freyasheart9527 “Being the dean meant nothing” going from being demoted & rejected by every employer to the highest admin position in the hospital is “nothing” to you. Yeah, ok. I appreciate how much you believe your own bullsh*t.

@@judigemini178 being dean suited foreman because he was always more into politics and climbing the ladder than he was the actual job of saving lives, he cared but not if it would hurt him in the process

Its a film-making thing. A single scene may take over a hundred takes. If you eat in each one of them, you're gonna be quite sick, very soon. That's why you so rarely see people eating on film and TV.

@@wjzav1971 and then you have The Sopranos in which characters don’t do anything BUT eat lol.

@@Gaboxxy96 la cosa nostra

@@wjzav1971 A hundred takes is an exaggeration. Maybe a dozen, but yeah

Also, in this case, it's Cuddy who invited Foreman to this restaurant because she wants him back at her hospital. Meaning that she most likely paid for both meals as an added gesture. Whether Foreman finishes his meal or not is irrelevant, since the matter of payment had already been decided anyway.

Seems pretty obvious.

Maybe he has poor credit.

foreman is a neural surgeon, he will not be able to do any operations running his own clinic.

@@TentaclePentacle Not as a Neurologist, but as a general practitioner (& for that, he's more than qualified). Point is, he ain't gonna starve.

@@occamslaser5453 he can work at McDonald's and not starve. that's not the point. He wants to be a doctor in his field.

BRING HOUSE BACK! Like reruns or somethig, I don't have Netflix. :)

It was a great show And I’m so happy they left it on a high note instead of letting it drag on.

A good story needs a good ending. I felt satisfied. Had a twist, had emotions and even a proper epilogue kind of thing. Next show could be called Foreman :)

@@badtiming2208 It's not on Netflix anymore. If you have Amazon prime, the entire series is available. Just watched this episode a few hours ago.

@@badtiming2208 Its on showbox, dvd, hulu, etc

cuddy season 8 quote hits hard

Yeah, a boss with no balls is the best kind.

I dont understand why he dint hire him

He's as hard sell to the board off directors since he studied under house so long. Plus for all the time he said he wasn't like house, he pulled a very house move not even being a month out of house's shadow he when he wasn't sure what to do.

Really cool if you like working for a doormat who'd throw you to the wolves the moment HIS boss decided they didn't like you.

Seems like he's the type of boss who would not help you grow nor be willing to fight for you, aka the opposite of the type of person I'd want to work with.

Because he is house

House talks about leaving ppth but never does because he knows that other administrators are going to struggle to put up with his bedside manner and rule breaking. Foreman has an even worse problem because he's now seen as a rule breaker but doesn't have house's diagnostic reputation. He's lucky to get his old job back.

@@tristanbeal261 He didn't leave because Cuddy prevented him from leaving. She never wrote her letter of recommendation and let him take the methadone to keep him at her hospital. He shaved, wore a nice outfit, and was genuinely GOING to the interview.

I agree. And I really like the way Cuddy called out his bullshit when he came back making demands after he declined her offer. Did he really not think Cuddy will see his problem? The first time she went to him, the second time he went to her. She knew he had no other option.

a fake

@@MattBailz he should have taken the raise. to bad for him

You’re a racist

I agree

@mxt mxt clearly you dont know how desperate and cutthroat the medical field can be.

@@tears_of_asariel3198 We always need more doctors, leaving because of 2 unprofessional bosses and a blocked career path would be very valid.

Cuttie (Cutty?) Is very incompetent. She let a maniac and drug addict run loose in a hospital because she was biased. Hate to say it but that guy who gave a 100 million dlls (which she threw out the window for a drug addict) was right. Her argument that he saves lives is flimsy at best, people did die, and lives were ruined or nearly ruined because he was incompetent both, administrively and professionally. In real life she would have been fired long before the series scripted her out

@@solesurvivor5 So the guy you're think of is Volger, and it's Cuddy. Second, the argument that House saves lives isn't flimsy, though there are issues with it (primarily that he only takes about one case a week). When people do die, the show makes a point of saying that it was inevitable and that it can happen in any practice. Also, I've seen House ruin lives from being unprofessionally, but not from being administratively incompetent (save the instance with Thirteen and the dog). That being said, it makes sense to keep House around as having the one guy who can solve any case is really convenient especially for high profile and extreme cases which were really highlighted in the later seasons. I do think that House should have worked for the hospital on a case by case basis though, because that would have made him less dangerous.

@@solesurvivor5 Shed be fine at my hospital Have people who shoulda been shitcanned long ago but are still here

Following proper procedure keeps away malpractice lawsuits. If your choices don't pan out and patient dies or suffers because of it, it will cost the hospital thousands. It is a tv show though

What if the life you save one day ends up ordering the deaths of millions of others?

House has technically saved more people than anyone else hes a specialist for a reason. Yes his methods are basically illegal and his bedside manner is nonexistent but he is the greatest Doctor in his field. The odds of him killing someone vs the rest of the entire Staff is lower ridiculously low. His success rate is through the roof. Cuddy is taking a gamble House success rate his high enough that her billable hours would skyrocket. Did yall forget the episodes where the Billionaire paid exclusively for House? He paid to clear his whole schedule and had him flown out, or the CIA one Cuddy was cashing out hes an infectious Disease and Diagnostics Specialist world renown for his sucess rate. That brings people to the Hospital more billable hours for Cuddy more money for the hospital. In fact I forget what season and episode but Cuddy said Houses billable hours covers more than half the Hospitals expenses. He's worth the gamble basically, since he is a world reownw Diagnostician Cuddy can up the price for consults of a specialist

@@pariswebb5252 billionaire paid exclusively for house? whats the episode?

@@TheAhan2407 Season 8 Episode 4: Risky Business. His gaining of the funds are... questionable, but with House, when is it not so.

The first interview the guy said that he wanted to hear Foreman's side of the story, he knew what happened and he is trying to see both sides of the coin. Foreman told him that it is what it is, Foreman had no intention of apologizing and the guy made a remark that Foreman had been 'tainted' by House. The second interview guy seemed to not realize that Foreman was the guy involved in that particular case. Even though he respects Foreman, he can't risk hiring him because of that.

Polly Pockets, I see what you mean. They wanted to see if Foreman would be an asset or a liability; if Foreman would “toe the line” or be “House-lite.” I think Foreman was “House-lite” before he met House. House just enhanced it. Foreman hated that side of him instead of embracing it which he did a little eventually with the help of his team. The interviewers played things safe. They’re not employers who’d make history, but House did, which is why I think Foreman belonged with House and/or Cuddy. He needed that pressure, autonomy, and that team.

Because official records are very vague, notice how he was fired over breaking procedures. A procedure break can be a lot of things, some things hospitals would be willing to overlook. Also, with the second guy’s reaction, it is implied that Foreman’s previous employer was a bit too strict in some people’s opinions. Foreman is also really talented, something people don’t realize is that House’s team is full of smart doctors that are definitely above average when it comes to talent, House is just so amazing that he overshadows them. A lot of hospitals would be willing to take a risky doctor if the produce break was something minor, but it wasn’t.

I don't think it was cruel. It was practical. You work with a genius but unethical doctor like House and don't get influenced would be stupid. I thought until Foreman came back, he didn't think much of House. He got comparatively more cooperative when he came back. Thus this move was kind of necessary.

They do, at least, justify it in a way that makes sense.

If you watch the episode with the jerk kid in season 3, he sedates him for no reason and behaves like a jerk. It’s subtle story telling but definitely handled well. Foreman was already house, no matter how much he wanted to escape it.

they still work 30 years later

It's an interesting storyline. Liability is everything to employers. Especially in the medical field.

He thought he had the upper hand because Cuddy was the one wanting him back earlier on. That's why he entered in the office with the excuse that he was thinking thorough the offer. But Cuddy figured out that he was just crawling back with his tail betwee his legs begging to be hired again because no other place would, which she saw as pathetic given the offer he refused from her earlier on.

Because then hes accountable for any suits that are bound to show up

that sounds something that someone who wants to leave college to imite another corporate millionaire without knowing how difficult it is and the legal problems he would get into

@@1204khalil college? I'm talking about Foreman with years of experience on the job. There are definitely options.

@@buxxi90 open your own medical bussiness while no one wantes to hired you for not follow the rules while everyone know it sounds way harder than you just look for a job, even two seasons later he was sure he wont get another job in other place without a recommendation

@@1204khalil yeah, because it's a show and they wrote him to not have a choice. But in real life, he would have.

Yeah.

They probably did. The two shows were filmed in the same studio. Hugh Laurie hung out with Stephen Fry between takes when Fry got a part in that show.

everyone lies on a resume.

She went really sneaky and tactical on him. She tried to look desperate, told him that he'd have benefits when he returns, knowing he would decline her offer. She set him up in a way, so that he'd come basically begging for the job back, without being able to decline now, even as she tells him everything and strips away the benefits she promised. She is cutthroat, cold and tactical, she has to be though, as it is her job

That's easy for a dentist, an optometrist, or any other doctor with a cheap and specific specialty. Definitely not for a diagnostician/neurologist, for that you would at least need investors and multiple other doctors.

Or, easier still, move away from New England. You're never getting a fair shake where the Chiefs of Medicine are all playing the same courses.

@@rcslyman8929 That will still be true if he goes all the way to California. The problem is that he has a huge mark on his resume that any employer is going to call him on. It's as simple as a phone call. Not to mention his family, especially his mom who had Alzheimers and would die in two years.

@@henrypeters5291 Maybe not as a diagnostics expert, but Foreman is at the very least a highly competent doctor. Kind a puzzles me that he wouldn't find a job ANYHWERE. There must be some hospital or private praxis that is desperately in need of good personnel.

@@wjzav1971 The things, he could get a simple job as a doctor but he is not going to take any job though. He wants to be a diagnostician like House. Too risky for any hospital seeing how he does whatever he thinks it's right to save lives regardless of the rules.

King 7 The team always reflected House just in different aspects. Chase overall definitely was the most similar to him, but Foreman stood for House's emotional side. The things House would be willing to for the pursuit of the truth and to save a life.

Actually kurtner was prob more similar to house then chase.

@@frazrashid7686 Oh most definitely, but I was referring to the original team.

The show tried too hard to have a "second House", and they couldn't decide between Foreman, Chase, Kutner and Amber. In the end it was better for Chase since he grew the most as a character.

@@frazrashid7686 No, he wasn't. Kutner had a touch of the same diagnostic flair that House had, but not as much as Chase. And that's really the only thing he had in common with House, whereas Chase thought like House in a variety of ways, and pretty much right out of the gate.

It wasn't necessarily the right thing. Look at it this way; you have a patient. He is dying. All other options have failed so far, but there is one more presented to you. One last chance. The option is this: -: You must flip a coin. You cannot do anything else before flipping it. If it is heads, the patient lives. If it is tails, the patient dies. Do you take this option? Or do you follow the usual protocols to hopefully uncover new options to try on the patient at the last second that can be supported with solid track records and histories? See, what House does regularly, and what Foreman chose to do, is flip the coin. I'm sure many of us would also choose to flip the coin. Flipping the coin, however, breaks your Hippocratic Oath since you introduce a game of chance into medicine with the patient's very life becoming the jackpot. That's putting their life at risk in an intentional way, thus, is completely wrong. It is right to wan't to save your patient's life. No one disputes that. However, it is wrong to play games with your patient's life. Both are objective statements and as a result, you will likely be fired, even if the coin lands on heads and your patient lives.

Good eye!

What she means is that she could easily hire him for less money and less perks than he originally had, because no one else would ever take him at this point. But she isn't gonna do that to him

There are more than one type of medical conferences.

Everybody lies

She gave him none of those things. Love her.

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