Forensic Science: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) 

Now that you say it, it should totally be a Comedy Central show or a Saturday Night Live Sketch.

Alternate title for Psych

Dude, you can. Just watch an episode of CSI and pause it to laugh whenever bullshit like this is used to move the story forward.

Hope.

Doesn't sound any dumber than all the dumb sh*t these kinds of shows already get away with.

Being convicted of being a serial killer, put on death row, the the day before your execution you're aquitted. Then a teibe of hyper-advance apes kidnaps you and sacrifices you the next day. THAT'D be terrifying.

Kafka...

JammastaJ23, ...esque

Right ... Mickey Major

Literally having your own life stolen away from you by some individuals who are just part of some 'SYSTEM'

I appreciate that so much. Even as *nerdy/geeky* as I get about art, media, whomever, and whatever I love, I try to keep that in mind, too, about being aware of who our audience is. It's not like they're going to know exactly as much as or the same stuff as you, anyhow.

If John Oliver wrote the names of engineering courses....

Scientists SHOULD learn better communication just as learning rote statistics should NOT be required to be a health educator. We all have our strengths; not all of us have ethics, which I'd hope we've learned matter just as much as ever-changing "facts." -Sincerely, an excellent communicator who would have been a great health educator, but I didn't pass biostats (which never ever was used in my tutoring/ explaining health concepts like sex ed and vaccines to adults who needed the information)...I also accept donations for my student debt, anyone can message me. Improve scientific literacy rather than bombarding the public with rote numbers they won't understand anyway, a common sense approach that's apparently anathema.

Oh and closing bathrooms and water fountains in a pandemic, restricting access to hydration and hygiene, didn't control the airborne virus literally one bit, but because I can't do rote percentages in my head, somehow I'm not qualified to teach health concepts. That sounds legit. You get the kind of education that you vote for.

I like how you used 'science' as a verb lol. I agree with your point, tho. Sometimes we forget to be sympathetic to others weaknesses, and talking past one another helps no one. Neither does getting bogged down in technical terminology. I think some people have to much pride to ask for clarification or a 'dumbed down' version and therefore the opportunity to learn how something works is lost. You never know how information may help you in the future, something you think may have no utility to you at the moment may end up being useful.

Also, the prosecutors get off scot-free as well.

especially that guy whose own wife was murdered. can you imagine how angry he must have been?? your wife gets murdered, and then YOU get sent to prison instead of her actual killer??

@@aubriem1944 That's the premise of "Law Abiding Citizen" xD

Dear HBO. Hire this guy ^

I second the motion.

Honestly didn’t think that this would get that popular thanks lmao

kevinperri93 HBO, give him a medal while you're at it

Rolls off the tongue muuuch more easily.

Greenstarfanatic as a fellow forensic biologist, we were literally told the same thing (British forensics) you always look for indications where they don’t match, to rule out not in. Exclusion, not inclusion of evidence.

@joshtube9 LOL!

Yeah, but were you told to put your sunglasses on or take them off before dropping your one-liner? That's the important question.

Same here.

Not even the dog is definitely innocent?

Lady: We're INDOORS, *fuck you.*

People would tell him to get over it if he didn't.

Almost as if he's saying, "You could have made it not so easy" He could withstand way more.

I see two possibilities, either he managed to keep his spirit Intact or some part of him went insane while imprisoned and that’s the part of him that’s laughing

The concept of reasonable doubt is pretty bullshit, its kinda of gross how subjective our justice system is even with supposedly hard evidence.

Since I saw 12 angry men, the concept of popular jury freaks me out. this idea that "the people" must be right, I mean, it was based on something good, but in action, it's just a bunch of people who'd rather be somewhere else taking a life-altering decision about other people, without having any idea what is talked about most of the time, guided by professionals who sometimes don't know any better, and are just there to win a case. Truth is rarely the point.

Is the jury system flawed ? Yes, yes it is. But what better system do we have ?

trial by combat duh

Makes sense.

Paw-lice, please. And you call yourself a fan...

Paw-lease bitch!

Come on guys, don't be ruff.

Can you say that with a reasonable degree of scientific certainty?

@@con3521 does principle Skinner steam a good ham?

Conrad Favale if anyone ask me to say that phrase in court my autism would take over 😡

@@desertdaisymarie6951 because...why? That seems like a really strange thing to get upset over.

Jim Guy I’m autistic and the phrase is meaningless.. A court is a place to establish guilt beyond ALL reasonable doubt or find not guilty, not rack up points..

Agreed. The man who started The Innocence Project helped get OJ Simpson his acquittal.

Someone was served a sandwich. Time for us to serve JUSTICE!

*Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*

joe mcnoe Did you ever watch CSI Miami?

joe mcnoe Whenever the CSI-team investigated the crime scene, Horatio Cane would have a short dialogue with one of his colleagues, discussing how the victim died. Horatio would then end the dialogue by making a pun about the circumstances of the death or a wisecrack, immediately followed by the intro (YEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!).

ShadowAka

Oh yeah, I would watch that.

I think it should be a mystery comedy.

@buu678 Are you sure about that casting? Maybe put Elbe in the Judge's chair because there needs to be a strong controlling voice for a conflicted audience. And cast Matthew McConaughey (with a strong accent) as the lawyer. Or you could bring back Neo.

That's not a bad idea but should McConaughey be the defense or the prosecution and who should be the defendant? I prefer Matthew as the prosecution but the other roles are up in the air for me.

You had me at Idris Elba

😂

interesting

seems perfect for a banana republic

That's ALL science. Science NEVER proves anything. It can only disprove.

@@EvoDevo2004 No, that is bullshit. Science by default can only prove things, but it can prove both that something is like you expect or not like you expect. You can't prove a negative after all.

@@Zwijger that depends on your philosophical definition of science

I would love to be a forensic scientist, but I don't do the brain smarts good.

That's all well and good, but the sad truth is, as soon as you're out of that program, and step into the field, your "bosses" will tell you they need results *now* because, even law enforcement can be pressed for time because they're always convinced that the killer *might* strike again because the perp had no legal consequences for the first murder. But, it's *so rare* where that's actually the case and in most cases, the murder simply happens for one purpose and one purpose only: revenge. After the thirst for revenge is slaked, they might not murder no more or, they killed someone because *someone else* told them to. There is no one motive to a murder like how there's no one motive for a robbery or a theft or becoming a drug dealer. (Rapists are the only exception, but that's not my point) The point is, it may be useless to tell a forensic sciences student at a program (whether good or bad) to take your time when getting results when, on the job, people will tell you to rush it because of the reason mentioned above

ceres090 sometimes they are too eager to close the case

#Racism

All mammals have surprisingly similar DNA. Hell all vertebrates have surprisingly similar DNA. That's why they need to be thorough; it's easier the fuck up than you'd think.

Also kinda feela like an insult

@@INTCUWUSIUA yeah, but hair analysis isn't abaout DNA. It is about the look of the hair, the color, form, thickness, topology etc.

You’re the reason why we need Vaffanculo Day.

@ZionHillCalling I mean, legally speaking, when a term is vague it’s usually vague on purpose. Rigid rules and precise language aren’t always ideal for the reason you said: it’s hard to prove that something is EXACTLY reliable enough, and pretty inconvenient for both sides. But I do agree that when it comes to science the definition of what counts as “reasonable certainty” should be a little clearer.

@@lynxaway To be fair, in science in general they almost never say that anything is absolutely certain. There's always a little bit of wiggle room just in case new information arises, such as something appearing to be an exception to the standard for one reason or another. Such as how Newton's law of gravity falls apart when you look at things at a subatomic level but holds up in pretty much everything else. Like it's pretty hard to be specific about this because ultimately the degree of certainty they can make is limited by their knowledge or lack thereof and even scientists could miss a significant detail (thus why the scientific review process exists despite some conspiracy theorists wanting to tear that apart)

This is all because of the set standard for conviction, beyond reasonable doubt so, the talk about reasonable degree of scientific certainty but without an established standard what does it matter? Our criminal justice system is far too concerned with making money to be properly concerned with anything else and forensic sciences have been very useful in affording the appearance of certainty.

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Looks like I have a better chance of a sexy time threesome with them then!!!

Tab Utu dude. seriously. that was bad

How so Kate? Please expand on your remarks.

Tab Utu you know that it's okay to not type every thought you have, right? Cause if you want a threesome with the olsen twins, I dont wanna know and Im betting half the comment section didnt wanna know

That's an extremely interesting & fascinating point of view Kate. Speaking of the Olsen twins of whom I would like have a threesome with & which the comments section is extremely interested in considering the amount of private messages I've received from men & women alike, have you heard of a movie called Liberal Arts? It has Elizabeth Olsen in it who is also quite hot & who I would like to have a onesome with. I recommend you check it out. You know what is sad Kate? So many women in the world & only one of me. You have yourself a good day.

Not just that. It is also a moral issue and not the governments job to decide over life/or death. And especially that last thing confuses me about the usa right wing. They start bitching about government overreach over every little idiotic thing. But giving them the right to kill citizens somehow does not qualify as such.

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 They only think government overreach is bad when it goes after upper class people. The government can persecute poor people all it wants and they don't give a fuck.

I find I do NOT support the death penalty based solely on the fact that human error and/or deliberate sabotage of forensic “evidence” has been used to gain convictions. That is absolutely unacceptable!

The list of all episodes of Last Week Tonight is essentially a sad long list of issues that neither Republican politician, nor a single ESTABLISHMENT Democrat will EVER even try to touch. *Neither Kamala Harris, nor Joe Biden, nor Pete Butigeg, nor Beto O'Rourke WILL EVER DO JACK SHIT about ANY of these hundreds of pressing issues.* In the end making a buck will be more important than a planet to survive on, more important than justice, more important THAN LIFE ITSELF.

@@bobrolander4344 Miss me with that anti-establishment rhetoric. What these issues need is more awareness and education among the general public.

I actually enjoyed it too!

oh my god yes

i think it'd be a good educational show.

It would be hilarious. I would watch the shit out of it

I completely agree! I was just thinking that would be a great show!

liggieep yet they are still used as evidence

Actually not just that, they said it was a partial. Which means the print is not of the whole finger, to begin with, it is only a part of the print. It is like one piece of a 800 or so piece jigsaw puzzle that can fit anywhere. If just by looking at that one piece you are trying to guess the picture of the jigsaw puzzle, you will come up with thousands of options.

I didn't recall if they said partial, but I did mention that. Yes, latent prints are often not complete, and the print that a forensic investigator is able to lift might only end up intact as a partial print. You make a very good point about the jigsaw piece.

Now when you say certainty, can you confirm that it is to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty? On a serious note, does your comment mean that you believe as well that forensic evidence really isn't viable to convict people?

Because they're just materials on the spot. People with more proffession may plant fake evidence to lead the police off i think.

While the show successfully made the case against overstating the evidence a lot of methods provide, I fear this might backfire by completely pushing out methods (i.e. by having them made inadmissable in court) that provide evidence in the Bayesian sense (but not suffiently so on their own). Bite marks, for example, surely are not completely random, so they could very well provide evidence - just not nearly as strong as previously stated and probably not enough to warrant a conviction on their own. In many cases a lot of different clues that all provide above baseline evidence could combine to a legitimately strong case even if every single method is not enough to convict.

RandomWords yeah, I wrote a comment about this. It's my belief that if we become too stringent on what evidence we use, it will have a negative net outcome to society. It's better to have a pretty good chance of putting away the right guy than not putting anyone at all. Otherwise people might think they can more easily get away with crimes, increasing crime rates, and people will feel less safe with so many open cases.

In cases where there is no direct evidence available and the courts have to rely on circumstantial evidence, forensic evidence plays a huge role. Forensic evidence is a very useful piece of evidence but it is certainly susceptible to abuse, like just about any other thing in this world. But carefully collected and analysed forensic evidence, especially DNA evidence can be the key to solving a crime where there is no direct evidence available.

And only a 1 in 2 billion chance to dislike the show! Oh...oh wait a second..

TVBalkan12 I'm still waiting for the critically acclaimed "Harding" to come out

Actually it would be a nice plot for sone criminal investigation satire!

Let me correct - a reasonable degree of scientific certainty

Crimes Stupidly Investigated.

RhylieFilms we have too much faith in science,law enforcement should learn to go beyond that and apply themselves whenever there is any shadow of doubt

ONE good dog with a gun? Try two. No try 1.1 Billion!

A Dog Good Doggy! I hope it's right after the dog has snapped his chain outside and broke into the house and ate a big chicken from the table. I hope the abusive owner was just about to eat the chicken and the dog shot the owner right then.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-dog-fires-gun-royal-canadian-mounted-police-chestermere-alberta-canada-a7975566.html

I love Air Bud 9

Golden retrievers are a *hunting* breed. YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!

And the most disgusting part is people will *still* defend the death penalty, even after seeing this. I will never understand how people's feelings enable them to stay so willfully ignorant.

polymorph ine Because they have yet to see that people are not good all of the time. Once you understand that, really understand that, you can then believe that people would manipulate the evidence to match their aims.

Harrison Ressler I'm not trying to brag, but even I knew of the csi effect & reliability, we touched on it in late high school as part of a bigger different topic, & we don't even have jurors

I would watch it!

I want to watch it! Please make it happen, HBO!

I would definitely watch it!

I was thinking maybe "Crime Scene Imbecile" would be a good name too

Also Trill: a humanoid species native to the planet Trill. (Star Trek) memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trill

@@Kartissa Good catch! Forgot about that one!

Chad Knol You fucking snitch.

If that's true, there might be some family of the victim who could benefit from hearing the story.

This sounds fake as hell

The Sunflower Seed Enthusiast what could the person get out of lying, sure it sounds a little rare, but it happens.

Pixel Anarchy Attention and likes on their comment.

Yeah it was truly heartbreaking to hear that guy spent more than half his life in prison for a crime he didn't commit because a couple of guys needed to find a match even if it was wrong. He'll never get that time back.

Or we could follow the founding fathers lead that said 'it's better to let 12 guilty men go free, than for one innocent man to spend a day in jail.

Anderson Cooper the answer to that question, unfortunately, is “too many people.” You’re right, of course, but the sentiment sadly isn’t universal.

In dubio pro reo

I need her to come on the show and confirm this

Rewatching the Flash and now I can't not imagine it every time I see her. I mean them. Yes, there's definitely two of them.

That fact that that's true makes me scared.

Adrian Duran i was just waiting for someone to say that

Always works.

At least spirit channeling is verifiably credible in that world.

Spirit mediums and parrot examinations are far more reliable than some forensic science.

Pierre Le Bourreau I also like the misconception that people assume those that study forensics is a fan of CSI. Lol no that's the crappiest representation ever. 🤣

lmaooooo

Pierre Le Bourreau i don't yave a degree in law or science, i msde it through 1/2 an episode before i called bullshit

ENHANCE

i agree. lot of tv shows have episodes that are far fetched. books are way better. I grew up reading Perry Mason. I havent appreciated anything crime related as much as Perry Mason. Pierre, if u havent read the series i highly recommend it

This is the thing I don't get it... Those cops and prosecutors claim they are trying to make the city safer by convicting a guy with forged evidence... but they are in fact making unsafer, since the real bad guy is out with nobody looking for him. The cognitive dissonance in law enforcement is amazing.

Mateus Bittencourt they just do it to make us FEEL safer

Ooh Damn someone came to play!

lol drama queen much?

Jane Doe Have you ever seen At The Death House Door?

gusbaker4u hey, don’t forget about the british corpse guy!

That "cute girl" is actually 48 years old... ;)

gusbaker4u ABBY ON NCIS

Chunkboi Now they have Fez from That 70s Show! XD

Claudio Michel I was just about to say that

A modern interpretation of Police Squad.

Would you say your spambot dating site has "a reasonable scientific degree of certainty"?

Looks like it has a "reasonable scientific degree of sexy girls", anyway.

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Spambot has a reasonable degree of certainty for being reported/blocked/banned...

Thank you for including more clarification on this topic. While I am guilty of enjoying an occasional crime drama show here and there, it's really sad that due to the limitations of the science and the biases of individuals, we continue to perpetuate a flawed system that allow innocent people to be jailed.

Crystal Soulslayer blood spatter evidence is actually really precise pal.

yes its nice that someone besides me knows that the whole enhance thing is bullshit.

Actually, the "Enhance that" cliche is now technologically possible. Some software (and hardware found in current gen TVs) can use predictive analysis to extrapolate data and use that to increase the quality of an image when you increase its resolution. However, as this is basically a computer doodling what it expects the final image to be, it's not admissable in court. However we can take a 1080p image and scale it up to 4k with no apparent quality loss, so we CAN zoom and enhance now. In fact, your TV has probably been doing this for a year and a half or so, wheever you've played a DVD on it which was recorded at a lower resolution than the TV's native res.

I didn’t really read all you had to say, but as for #4, forensic anthropology if definitely a real thing.

The 13th amendment outlawed slavery _except as punishment for a crime._ Now, prison workers (at privately owned for-profit prisons) make almost all our military accessories, lots of consumer goods ("made in the USA"), do lots of the meat-packing and livestock slaughtering, and are starting to do farm labor picking crops. What they want is not justice, it's more prisoners.

They did do a whole segment in an earlier episode about the field drug kits. Mindblowing, and of course they're still being used even though many of them are about as reliable as a coin toss.

right

Uriel238 @Uriel238 "They'd rather let innocents serve time (and the guilty walk) than actually prove guilt." No, they want them all guilty. They get a "tough on crime" moniker that they can use in future politics.

Elexess Ashley Why do I see you everywhere!? Are you a bot? I see you in my twitter feed emails i see you in youtube videos. Everywhere 🤔 or you just watch what I watch?

Krizx600 has she gotten to your dreams if not it’s your only safe space

"if you think my top is cute you cannot execute"

VytenisR1 I'm here if you need to talk.

VytenisR1 Rick and Morty reference? 🤔

That is next-level zen.

I know I'd watch it

Yes PLS

I'll definitely watch it

I'd watch that... Everybody would watch that.

Watch Angie Tribeca

notenoughtomes fun not real n no lab rat interrogates suspects like on the show. Crime scene tech, las vegas

Was totally gonna say the same :D

And a movie about Harding? Same

Hell yeah, notenoughtomes, that'd be awesome

notenoughtomes We all would.

and the best part of it all: Your murder can live a long and happy life - there is with a reasonable degree of scientific certainty no other potential suspect let alone an actual murderer running free.

sarowie *murderererererer

ur mum'a a sandwich

Leatheryfoot oh noes! torpedoed by a sub!

True, but witnesses are also ridiculously flawed, although there is a strong bias towards them. Changing the phrasing of the question for instance can have a witness insert details of varying accuracy. Oliver should have done a piece how flawed prosecutions are in general, such as ridiculous bail fees, to jury selections etc...

"Accidentally"

source?

@@luckydawg9839 Rit ras a raccident, Raggy!

Somebody threw the coconut and then disposed of the evidence. By eating it. It must be the dog.

your mom has a reasonable scientific degree of certainty

I don't know, That bad dog looks guilty to me.

SpiceTrade Magnate: The coconut was carried by a swallow.

And the bite marks on the holy grail match the suspect with a reasonable degree of scientific certainty

Jackal Unleashed go on

Jackal Unleashed holy shit!!! How "old" or "young" are you ?

Jackal Unleashed please be aware of generic modification...

Jackal Unleashed Maybe tell him that he's a crazed lunatic?

Jackal Unleashed You are everywhere! I keep seeing you in Reportoftheweek videos, Elvis The Alien videos, Leon Lush videos, I might have seen you in a Sugarpine7 video. My God!!!!

True, though there aren't any equestrian tax evasion laws... yet

VertigoCrime - I think that is only in small places, towns and such. Large cities have requirements for MEs. You aren't going to find a butcher or vet as the ME of Chicago or Dallas.

Yeah, my hometown uses the same old dude who's been elected to the position for decades because he runs uncontested. It mostly works out because most people in the county die of 'old age', obvious and documented illness (cancer, cirrhosis), and 'misadventure' (wander off a cliff drunk, die while skiing the backcountry). Whenever there's an equivocal death (which is rarely) he just taps out and we borrow someone legit from a city. Hate to think what would happen if he didn't raise his hand and ask for help so willingly. Hate to think what would happen if there were ever murders he had to handle. (The last one was in the 70s or 80s; all the equivocal deaths since have been suicides or accidents or previously unknown disorders, etc.)

Wait what the fuck? We can't just vote people for dis shit?

It's unrealistic to expect to do anything other than elect them, smaller towns don't have people with the skill set, and not enough people want to move from the city to a rural location to make less money. That's the way the world works in a capitalist society. (which is part of why I don't believe in capitalism.)

In my home town, Springfield Illinois, after our mayor committed suicide, a temporary mayor was chosen from our city counsel; after much deliberation he selected his wife to be our coroner; that's how it works in smaller cities

Bradley Ogilvie Oh yeah, I watched the fingerprint episode.

You are one sick guy. ... and so am I

Yes yes yes they both need crossover episodes adam conover on last week tonight and john oliver on adam ruins everything

John could rip Adam to shreds. While a great concept there's a lot of problems with the tone of Adam's show that sets it up to make more mistakes, oversimplify, or send the wrong messages than anything this show puts forth.

Bradley Ogilvie This is a complete rip off of a PBS Nova episode! I guess him and Adam watch PBS.

Thommy2n h in HC

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That is devastating and yet sounds more likely than most things that show presents

Which episode is this because I haven’t been able to find it.

Is that the episode with Jennifer Love Hewitt?

If they can make a Jaden Smith Anime and a Magic School Bus sequel in cheap Flash, they can do this. Until they cancel it because of budgets.

Yes! I thought I was the only one who thought that! Also, keep this cast. They are awesome.

*YES, OH PLEEEEEEEEEEASE YES ! ! !*

Well shit I thought you were talking about that boring-ass cat video.

Thank you!

I'm with you.

It's not a Trill. It's a TRIBBLE. But close.

Kohljakal, the word in the John Oliver video was Trill. Additionally, Trill is an alien species in Star Trek. Tribbles are the small fuzzy things from TOS, Trill are the joined symbiotic species from TNG and DS9, with Jadzia Dax being the most well known.

This comment makes my life!! Also Joran Dax would make a good suspect on CSI lmao.

Andrew Hong dun dun Wal-Mart Supercenter; Supermartket section- Produce Section The detective monkeys surround the scene of the crime; there was a heist 2 hours prior of all the bananas. Also the gang murdered a security guard. One of the detectives picked up a banana left behind by one of the perps. It has BITE MARKS! They took it back to the lab. TO BE CONTINUED

Andrew Hong the best joke on this episode 😎

They already have it on T.V it's called "caso cerrado"

I was really disappointed, that they didn't have a monkey from Monkey Law & Monkey Order as expert in CSI:Crime Scene Idiot

Brian-84blizzle Same here, I just absolutely lost my shit in the train, got some weird stares. But at least I wasn't drinking coffee at that moment. John Oliver's facial expression just makes it even better.

Isn't there one with Rashida Jones?

#MeToo LOL

Don't know why you'd bring lawyers into it. They get paid either way. I suppose the DA keeps their job or has a higher chance of being promoted for closing a case. Just I think of defense attorneys as well which they benefit from freeing their clients more often. As defense gets paid more, I think of defense when getting paid.

The "system" would be just fine with the defendant found innocent as well. The "system" is not there to crush your life but to protect you.

Prisons* get paid.

epSos.de You are probably saying this to slack off, aren't you.

ProksenosPapias It's not protecting those convicted wrongly. The justice system is supposed to protect the innocent. I'd say it's destroying their lives and letting the actual perpetrators commit further crimes by letting them get away. "Reasonable doubt" loses all meaning if juries are presented bogus evidence. The only winners are for-profit prisons.

actually its more like “lol what the fuck does science mean?”

To me, it's: "Did I ever set foot in a school, because I completely missed the mark of what the reading, math, history, and science of science is."

Not even statistically significant? I have a bad feeling that's statistics and not science.

Honestly its just ''im not that familiar with scientific terms''

hefftatious to work in a crime lab you have to have at least a bachelor's degree in forensic science, so, yes, actually, they have.

Just take a screenshot, crop it, and take it to CVS. I think poster prints are like $10. I also think most people undervalue the joy one can derive from the photo kiosks as CVS.

stopthattimerave

*"fooking", Lmao* Love it! *Take care :)*

Trill is a slang term that means true and real

This isn't Joe Rogan. Somehow these don't work here