Forget EVERTHING you THINK you know about AMD... these CPUs kick A$$!! 

The fact that it adjusts the RAM timings all by itself on boot is amazing.

Long time Nvidia user but with how greedy Nvidia is with their 4000 series pricing. I'm rooting for the next-gen Radeons to kick team green's behind.

I love that you put an EVGA card front and center... It truly makes me really sad what happened with them so much that I am really wishing that AMD steps it up and makes something competitive against nvidia so I can go with them. I love EVGA so much they had my back even when I destroyed a GPU while water-cooling and told them the truth and they still honored my warranty. Hands down the best partner that nvidia ever had.

As a person who does not like pushing any types of overclocking, what AMDs been doing helps me so much and reason been staying with it for long time. I hope their next GPU is as impressive as this.

If these cpus are this insane, I can’t wait to see what the next 3d v-cache CPU’s will do.

The animations and graphics of the benchmarks looked really good. I like the highlighting when the notes mattered, such as "lower is better". I usually have to pause those to look closer but this one was really well done that I could watch at full speed and catch all the relevant information. Thanks for always improving, Jay!

I feel like this amount of performance upgrade is a reason to bring back not skunk-works but a skunk-works inspired name. Like how Lockheed had Archangel as a code name. Maybe use one of Skunk-works code names for their planes on a personal build, have a skunk etched into a panel. Obviously not the skunk-works skunk but one wearing a Jay2Cents shirt or something.

I love the excitement this is creating... I hope AMD smashes it with their new GPU too, can you imagine if the do a 7950X3D, it will be freaking awesome

AMD ist killing it Right now, I just hope they can compete on the GPU front as well.

Upgraded from a 1600 to a 5800x this year. I’m blown away by the improvements this gen. I’ll hold on for another gen or two before my next upgrade, can only imagine how much faster things will get by then.

So they've basically enabled PBO by default (technically not true, they've at least increased the default limits). Previously 5950x was a bit gimped by default - 25k in cinebench when most could achieve 30k by changing 1 setting. This makes the comparisons a bit messed up, would be nice to compare at similar temp/power.

I'm in the same exact boat as you Jay, we have had almost the same exact systems through the years and now I'm looking forward to a full AMD build again.

I love to see the EVGA GPUS in the videos lately. Support them as much as we can!

Hey Jay! I don't know if you see this, and I hate to have to write this down before even watching the video - but could you add sandbox/physics games to your benchmarks? I know Besiege and Scrap Mechanic would easily overload these CPUs, and I'd be curious to see how V-cache would affect performance in these types of games. (I'm running a 3700X right now, and it struggles a LOT in most my games.) Edit : so, I know that the frequency at which a game gets updated is important for benchmarks. The rarer, the better, in this case (though, I'd love a few more performance updates for Scrap Mechanic, especially a fix for the awful performance hit when you've explored too much in survival mode). So, since Scrap Mechanic rarely gets updates, it would be an excellent, stable game benchmark for years (sadly) at a time. Also it seems like I'm top comment (not anymore lol), so thank you all for helping this comment being seen! Oh and, Jay, if you need benchmarks for the games I've proposed, I can probably create a set of benchmarks creations to put a load on the CPU. One thing which would be VERY important to do, though, would be to always use the same creation - and mention that FPS without a heavy creation loaded in and being active doesn't really matter. For example, a CPU with 400 FPS when there's not a lot going on (let's call it CPU A) would look a lot better than one which only has a hundred FPS (CPU B). However, if CPU A only has one or two FPS under heavy load, and CPU B over fifteen (doesn't seem like a lot, but trust me, it is in Scrap Mechanic and Besiege) then CPU B must scale up much better under heavy load on a single core. And I know I'm repeating here, but V-cache tested on these games would be EXTREMELY interesting and useful to know about for many gamers' next builds.

Wow thank you for explaining that about the RAM timings. That's incredible and would also freak me out! And the whole comments at the end about the snappiness sounds amazing. Now I'm itching to upgrade. I'm looking forward to your reviews of 13th Gen. Intel and RDNA 3!

I could watch your videos for hours. You taught me sooo much when I first got started several years ago. Thank you

Imagine how good the 3D v-cache versions are going to be!

I love it when two companies compete. Competition brings innovation and technological advancements. I've been waiting for your Amd cpu review. Super excited to see your review on the Radeon 7000s.

Thanks for sharing this info Jay, super informative! (Especially about the boot process and ram timings). I'm interested to see how Intel responds

Jay, Your videos are always so helpful. Your info on the reboot issue will save hundreds of people heart attcks. That means the world.

That boot tuning should be done with a progress message on screen showing what it's doing. Because as the CPU designer, they should be able to reconfigure the IO chiplet to drive RAM at the different speeds while keeping the temporary BIOS state somewhere else (like the cache).

I'm not even close to being in the market for new hardware at the moment, but cool to see big things coming and even more cool to see Jay genuinely hyped about something. Shame Nvidia don't know how to bring it without so much bullshit attached that it cuts through this kind of excitement.

Great video!! But at zen3 you also said d was the clear winner right?? What makes you switch only new then?

My favorite part of the AM5 platform is the ECO mode. ECO105 is amazing. They should put labels on the board or removable stickers that explains the memory training in detail. Sometimes, when a system doesn't post for like a few seconds, it terrifies me. lol

When looking at comparisons, I think it pretty much comes down to if you're productivity or gaming focused, for productivity get standard Zen 4, for gaming get the X3D parts when they come out.

Pretty cool how the system will trial and select the best stable timings for you. I like it! However, I hope AMD or the motherboards explicitly document in their manuals that the system will reboot multiple times on first power on. I can see a lot of people flipping the power switch off after a min or 3 boots thinking something is broken.

The other way you can thermal throttle is to pulse width modulate HALT/C1 state part of the time. That was the only way the P4 could thermal throttle. They realized that it would be better to lower the clock and voltage, but I wonder if the Zen 4 reverted to HALT/C1 since you told it to lock the clock. I can't see any other way it could keep the temp from going over 95 C. Also my older Intel system seems to have the limit set to 95 or 100 C as well.

Jayz is back with the upbeat insider info with a glint in his eye. New technology has him pick up from before the Covid times with a fresh inspired voltage blast that has him excited to share the news. Excellent reviews of the latest and greatest explained in the way that hardcore fans absolutely adore Jayz for. 100% my favourite channel and reviewer with the usual comedy thrown in. I will continue to await the next posting!

I'm psyched about the memory working that way. I would have been scared when I upgraded, but now I'll be calm cool and collected as it finds me the best results for my memory.

About AVX-512, I think it also depends a lot on what specific instructions of it you use. There are some instructions that are only half the width, but allow you to do some stuff in a single instruction instead of using multiple. In those cases even the 2 step AVX-512 can be a significant upgrade and AVX-512 on AMD seems to have no performance downside like it does on Intel. Phoronix has some great benches for that topic. Sometimes it adds only a few percent of perf, sometimes it quadruples it!

Hey Jay! Been watching your videos for the better part of two years and love the content. I've been having graphics driver related issues on the newest AMD optional driver (RX 6700XT) with driver timeouts/black screens on video playback. I was wondering if you might be interested in investigating/making a video on it. Thanks for all the amazing videos and keep up the great work!

I am waiting for Intel 13th Gen and also looking forward to stable overclocking on both new AMD and Intel platforms.

Holy shoot! Those numbers are insane Jay. Great seeing AMD doing well with the new AM5.

wish you luck with the benching marathon you guys are looking at, appreciate the effort you guys are putting into your work.

Waiting for the 13900K to come out. Be interesting to see the benchmarks between 7950X and 13900K.

This is an entire platform upgrade that I'm not ready for. I will happily take a 5800x3d and stay am4 and ddr4 for the next few years until support finds itself lacking.

Woah, I bet looking at those results felt similar to me after building a system with the 5600X for a friend. "Hey, I think this thing is meant to hit more than 200 in Cinebench R15 single-core, maybe 210-220! *It scored 244?!* " And cheers for that PSA about RAM training on first boot, hopefully it spreads fast.

I'm really excited to see how well these things undervolt. I'm willing to bet that these are beasts even just sitting at 5Ghz.

The socket design is WILD! The auto RAM timing adjustments are just amazing.

Alder Lake does not have AVX512 enabled, only VNNI subset. I can'f find diagrams but it is possible the FPU has more throughput vs AMD, as the underlying architecture has AVX-512 capability in silicon. Also worth mentioning is that AMD AVX-512 doesn't increase throughput (FPU width) per se but the new instructions will make some computations more efficient and hence, the speedup AMD reported in the presentation.

Jay, 7:00 you supplied the new KPI for Userbenchmark. Lock the CPU to a frequency and check AVX-256 x 2.

I am eagerly awaiting the EPYC and Threadripper models upcoming, that will set the bar for how a lot of companies upgrade.

Your benchmark graphs are some of the best I've seen. Granted these are only comparing 2 products, but all of them start at 0, the layout is consistent, and probably my favorite detail, any important information is highlighted yellow. A detail I'm used to hunting for in other channel's reviews is whether a higher or lower score is better. With yours, it was nearly effortless to find out. I just felt like that little detail needed to be appreciated.

thank you for the heads up on the timing tuning during boot up... good info to know

When Linus his title is: AMD in trouble and Jayz is Kick Ass

I think I am gonna do a full AMD build for my next computer, never had an AMD CPU before and I haven't had an AMD GPU for a while but I am looking forward to it. Bring on the heat RNDA 3!

Looks cool. Only just built my new one last year, so I'm good to go for now. But I look forward to seeing what things look like in a few years once all of this super awesome stuff has stabilized and dropped in cost.

Hey Jay.. Really like the new charts!! Not too busy & a few seconds to let me think about what I've just seen..Really well done - hats off to Nick & Phil!! Great content as always....

Upgrading from an Intel Core i7 3770k to the 7950x. Expecting a 7x increase in CPU performance 👌

excited for next improvement in amd, i recently got 12th gen intel but still happy to see this performance leap

IMO what you experienced with that performance & smoothness in Windows is the various Intel bug workarounds for the Spectre and other similar bugs.

Man, you’re so passionate about the subject that I expect you have to remain behind the desk the whole video; That's the spirit - arguably the most knowledgeable dude in RU-vidland 🤜

I’m hyped for AMD. can’t wait to support their extravagant performance and care

I would like to see @JayzTwoCents do a custom water cooling loop with several radiators to see if it's even possible to have less than 95ºC on the CPU with stock settings. And maybe compare scores between a NH-D15, a 360 AIO and huge custom loop.

I can't wait to get one, I am more for the 7900x just because above 500 is a bit insane for me rn, I just don't wanna adopt too early and deal with the issues but I don't wanna wait that much longer either.

Jay, do you imagine we may eventually see an X3D (3D V-cache) version of the new CPU's, as the pervious X3D CPU's were really good and are still VERY competitive even against all of the latest CPU's?

Very nice to see, though the lower tiered CPUs will be the most interesting for value propositions. And I'm 100% with you on hoping that RDNA3 can deliver as hard as Zen4 seems to deliver right now. Whilst hopefully also not charging us an arm, a leg and both kidneys to afford one like Nvidia is setting their MSRPs with their 40-series right now.

I read a story a few weeks back on TPU that the MB's were setting the voltage high and that you could undervolt it a little bit, still hit the high MHZ and the temps drop BY A LOT. So I read. I'm wondering if you saw this story and if you tried undervolting it slighty and seeing if that made a difference to the temps?

Was skeptical on the new architecture but now I am hyped. Hopefully the mid~lower tier CPU is good too.

That's funny to hear about the long boot times. I'm just thinking of the cpu holding a whip and whipping the memory into shape until it gets it right. 😂

I absolutely love how you finished this statement. RDNA2 offered a decent competition to RTX 3000, but we need AMD to kill it with RDNA3. I have an X570 5800X system with a 6900XT in it. I wanted an EVGA 3090 to go with the processor, but when I finally got my hands on a 3090, I didn't like the memory temps, so I stuck with my current setup. I plan on staying with this setup for another year or so (I was a day 1 adopter of Ryzen 7 1800x and x370(first asus board didn't have a BIOS so I swapped to a Crosshair VI), and it had a lot of teething issues). I will save and wait for the next release of AM5. However, I think I may upgrade my video card depending on what AMD releases, but I can tell you for sure, it will not be an RTX card.

This cpu looks like a monster! Can't wait to see how the rest of the stack performs.

Thanks for the great review and stats! - Definitely gives me more sense of direction in completing my next build. I always experienced a better heat to power ratio with AMD - and tackled the temp issues with Intel - always a trade off between the two in the core "boost power" of intel with some lag performance in AMD - but seeing this kind of bench results says a lot more in how AMD has progressed even further to not just match but surpass so much ahead in the results. Is a exciting time to see this kind of tech competition though.

Sounds epic, you could just run benchmarks during the winter to keep your house warm XD XD. The bit at the end about the boot cycle is so important, i would not have waited that long. They should link to your video on the cpu box lol

I like how Jay managed to stop himself wringing his hands like a supervillain at the end there.

Now that both new CPUs and GPUs have turned into sauna stoves, it would be interesting to see all kinds of custom watercooling tests with the new hardware. For example how many and large radiators does one need to get all the performance out of these new components!

Any word on when we'll see some specific liquid cooling motherboards for the X670/X670E platform? I was really hoping to see MSI launch another EK partnership motherboard, but I haven't seen an integrated monoblock board from any of the big names yet.

7600X + B650 is what I'm picking for my gaming rig (I have a 3600 + 2060 currently). I think I will however tweak the PPT and/or add a thermal limit in the bios around 85°C with a big noctua cooler. For gaming I think we can really optimize the efficiency of the CPU without really affecting FPS. I don't want however to have issues in CPU intensive games (MS flight simulator, civilization, Warhammer..)

FX8350 was such a great CPU! The longevity it had... Mine was nearly 8 years old when I changed it and it wasn't because I actually _needed_ to change it. It was still running properly all the games I wanted to play. I mean... I went from FX8350 to Ryzen 3600X and didn't really *notice* much of a different. But yeah... I wasn't playing Crysis! :P

I can't imagine replacing my Ryzen 7 3700x anytime soon but its nice to know when I do, there will be great options to choose from.

I like your reviews b/c they not only have the boring benchmarks that are concrete factual information but also the "it feels . . ." statements b/c perception often is reality. My question is, for something like video rendering where you might be relying on CUDA h.265 more than the CPU does the CPU still play a part, or will you see more of the benefits during editing such as scrubbing the timeline, or dealing with motion graphics a la fusion (I'm a davinci resolve user). Great review. I have a 5950x, so I'm still in the camp of maybe waiting until the next gen as I feel it still has plenty of life. AM64 was my first, I built the PC, CPU. I then went Core 2 Quad, then 4770k, then 2700X now 5950X. It's been fun watching the technological journey.

You know one thing that I don't know/think is practical, but I would like seeing high-end emulation benchmarks. It is becoming more of a thing these days. But it is also one area that Intel seem to have an unfair advantage for whatever reason. From what I am reading so far sounds like the 7k series is no different and to really get the performance out of the 7000 series you would need for higher emulation would require a custom water loop just to keep the temps down. Just a thought. Edit: BTW, thanks Jay and the rest of the crew your channel is still one of the first I watch.

Looking forward to see what the AMD GPU looks like now.

Hey Jay! Try to use different coolers on the same CPU, to see how the clock lowers as you provide a worse cooling

Would love to see an efficiency comparison either at constant power or constant workload and see where the sweet spots are for both Intel and AMD

i love my amd systems..been using them for years and only just upgraded my work rig last year to ryzen 9 3900xt, which has been awesome..was planning to upgrade the cpu to 7950x in the future, but seeing these results makes me think that skipping a generation might be the way forward...but its just the cost of new cpu, ram, motherboard, etc,,when a 7950 would just involve swapping the cpu....so depends how big the gap is and will have to see what happens in the real world when they are released and if it is worth the added cost....

So the question I have is... How does the new AM5 platform handle DDR5 and how many sticks you can run? Is the same issue present where the system wouldn't boot if you ran 4 sticks?

Upvote to give Jay a high-five for all his and his teams amazing and hard work! Love ya Jay!

I'd love to see benchmarks on software compilation tasks. Reality is that to play games nobody needs top end cpus. Rendering and software compiling is probably two common tasks where top end cpus make up the biggest difference. I work on sizable web application and it takes several minutes to get dev environment up running - which I need to do very often throughout the day - and it's a task that is CPU bound. And I believe there are a big number of software engineer who'd be interested in how CPU could make their day to day job better yet there are fairly few reviews that involve benchmarks of software compilation.

Hi Jayz, could you add the Cinebench R23 multi-core results with ECO mode, its wattage/temps and/or talk about feelings about that mode? In other reviews I have seen 28k with ECO 65W (still superior to 5950X and 12900K) and 34k at ECO 105W. If these numbers are true, they are interesting even if at a given moment you do not want the CPU to use the full 230W.

I'm stoked AMD is continually improving. I upgraded from a 1600 to a 5600 recently so I'm good for at least another gen or maybe longer depending on what I'm feeling, but I'm excited to upgrade when I do. Depending on pricing I may jump on RDNA 3 if not my gtx 1080 has life in it and I'd need to upgrade my monitor to really make that upgrade worth it.

Just you explaining the boot sequences and what it does nearly melted my brains, and it fascinates me to know that some one actually thought this thru with a bit more powered brain 🧠

Ease of use is a powerful attraction, the self optimising of the ram is freaking awesome. I too hope that the radeon department and rdn3 does well, nvidia needs more than a few slices of humble pie. The next build i do will be a full amd rig, nvidia have just burned too many bridges at this point. Since nvidia gave up on the low end market then the rdn3 igpus have a very nice opportunity if it has come far enough.

Jay .... Thanks for the reboot info... As these haven't been released yet, I WOULDN'T know ... But thanks for the heads up so I know what to expect when building these...

After the success of Zen3 I'd pretty much decided on Zen4 for my upcoming new build. I'm torn between the 7900X and 7700X though, so keen to see reviews of these CPUs soon.

It's cool that AM5 will will automatically adjust RAM timings with EXPO supported memory. Will XMP memory do this too?

The story is helpful, the explanation is great, love the video! (Better than LTT infodump video that left me confused)

I recall a lot of ppl saying the AMD Phenom series CPU's were garbage. I had a PC with an MSI 990 series chipset MOBO and a Phenom 2 975 (3.6Ghz) quad core black series. With a 180 watt TDP CPU cooler I was able to get stable clock speeds of 4.25GHz with idle temps in the upper 20s and load temps in the mid 50s peak temps never exceeded 61C. I was also running 2 MSI HD 7980 GPUs in crossfire and 16GB of Corsair Dominator Ram in dual channel mode and 2 Hitachi 10K rpm 380GB HDDs in raid 0. That build was a beast and crushed every game I played.

It's so wild seeing Intel just give up. When they went to having only a couple of good cores and then filling the die up with a bunch of weak cores it was the beginning of the end.

Jay, i'm interested in seeing you do a video on undervolting Ryzen 7000 to see if there can be some optimizations made there and as a general guide to undervolting. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be looking at undervolting Ryzen 7000 just because they don't want to see 95c temps.

With the top SKU's getting AIO-/watercooling as a recommendation, do you think you could make a video on what to look out for in an AIO and what kind of maintenance you may (not) need to do on it?

Is windows 11 finally optimized for AMD as well or can we expect even better upticks with better optimization in the future?

Man I wish I could do that testing your doing over there. Just seeing what AM5 could do must be nuts. RDNA 3 VS Lovelace will be good, it has to be, RDNA 2 showed AMD can make a GPU worth buying, yes I own a 5700xt and that was worth it, but Nvidia just had more all aroundness. Soon we all will be running PI's and Mocha PC's because AMD/Intel/Nvidia will be too expensive....I wonder what they have coming out? Pricing is crazy and it's understandable but my wallet is not intelligent so...

AMD made a mistake making the new CPU's AM4 cooler compatible. They had to make the IHS on them much thicker as a result and they've lost a lot of cooling potential because of it. If you OC it, take off the IHS and cool the die directly and see how much better the cooling is.

Jayz I want to say Thanks for your advice about the first start, cause I had the same "issue" I just change my cpu with the 7950x on a new motherboard asrock steel legend and 32go of ddr5 6000 and when I did the first start it took a long time before it start properly. I was thinking of an issue with the CPU because the CPU led was red and the vram one was blinking on the mobo and then I remembered your video and the advice you gave about the first start with a zen 4 cpu. Everything works smoothly and now lets go benchmark a little bit. Thanks you

Great video - other than it's M/T not MHz for the RAM numbers. Just leaving the unit out is likely the best option. :)

I believe you mentioned that your AM5 motherboard was an ASRock. I believe a little while back they acknowledged that their memory timing tests were taking a VERY long time, and they've since created new BIOSes that reduce the time significantly. Not sure if the other mobo manufacturers are seeing the same thing.

I'm definitely going AMD next time I buy myself a new computer. :) I am currently running an Intel Core i5 9400, and it can certainly use an upgrade. It's paired with my GeForce GTX 1650 Super, which will also probably be an AMD upgrade once I've got enough money saved up to upgrade.

Thanks for making graph with good visibility … (from 0 to X) and not just a zoom on what scale the reviewer like.

Cool stuff. Good explanation about the temperatures. A lot of people freak out and are scared of high temps if they're not under 80c~ xD. No throttle/overheating/shutdown? No worries...