The fact that a small town police chief was able to assess the situation, realize that this was wayyy out of their league, swallow his pride and call in for help from the experts at the FBI and help from the state police really shows his character. A lot of talking heads on TV owe that chief an apology.
Probably Idaho State Law, due to Small Rural Towns not having Capability to handle, and to Defer to State Police... I Am Sure SPD would've botched this Case Bad.
The only person that I’ve seen apologize to LE for underestimating their work was Kaylees dad! And he’s one of the only people who had any right imo to even criticize initially! (Meaning, I could understand his frustrations)
@@kristentrep5038 He had no more right than anyone to critise the police !!! Either the police are there to do the job according to the rules and law or forget the cops and find your assailant yourself and successfully bring someone to court and justice. !!!!
I had confidence on the MPD since day 1... It takes time to solve such horrific murders.. Thank You Detectives, Investigators, and FBI for all your hard work!!!
Great interview. The killer is dumb. This detective is experienced and smart. Detectives like this will always outsmart and catch narcissists. This case should represent the Death of the Serial Killer. This is not the 70s anymore.
Period. Serial killers only worked because it was no DNA, no cameras, none of the technology we have today. To think he was actually doing to get away with this is idiotic. It’s kind of annoying people are saying he’s smart just for evading the police for a few months.
He knew one of the victims somehow. It wasn’t random. He stalked the victim(s) because one of them rejected him, insulted him or upset him in the past. There’s definitely a connection.
That's my suspicion too. I do think he has a drive to kill, but there are so many better targets. A home with a dog and people who he didn't plan on killing, who could wake up & witness it, call 911? I mean, there's a description of his car because of this. Serial killers who have only killed for a thrill choose victims when they're alone & isolated. I'm sure there are homes in that neighborhood even with people who would have been a safer target (no dog, alone, etc.).
I think he did a huge thesis on a criminal mind and hated women so picked a house full of women. Chose a house with predominately women because he knew he could overtook them and or they would be easier targets then a male. He was reasonably tall compared to a woman but could probably not take most guys on. And picked a house with a lot of dna. Could be rejection but yet it appears the stalking started almost immediately when he moved to Washington. You have to remember he lived in PA until at least late spring early summer. He started stalking in august. These girls were also probably on summer vacation and didn’t arrive until close to the school year starting. Not much time for a rejection to take place especially when at least all 3 of them had boyfriends in the fall.
I'm wondering if the real reason he came back in the morning was because he realized he left the sheath there. When you see the outdoor crime scene pictures, you can see that someone barricaded the glass sliding door with bar stools to prevent someone from getting back inside. So maybe he had tampered with the door earlier at some point to be able to break in and maybe the surviving roommate was the one who put those barstools against the slide door.
Thanks for mentioning the stools. You might be the only other person who noticed or cared about the stools! The seat portion of one of them is in the door track and if the seat end of the other abuts the wall then that door was jammed. If it were like that before he entered, then he must have entered through the front. And like you I wonder whether one of the girls did it.
@@susanmaguire i don't think they were there before the murders. The surviving roommate said she watched him exit out the sliding door. Even if he moved them out of the way, which I doubt, someone would have had to put then back in place after he left. I think he tampered with the door at an earlier time. Maybe casually walked in and hung out when a big party was going on one night and broke the lock on purpose eitherthen or that maybe that evening when he was scoping out the place while everyone was gone out on the night of the murders to give himself and easy way into the house.
Thanks again for mentioning those stools. I've mentioned it countless times and no one has responded. It's been bothering me a lot. Glad another person noticed!
I think he might be a vulnerable narcissist. They are the ones when you hurt their feelings they seek revenge. I wish we knew if he had been turned down by one of the girls such as kaylee so over the years it built up and his response was to get his idea of revenge.
I am confused? He must have dropped the sheath, didn't realize it until he got home. The adrenaline rush had passed and he was probably exhausted. However, he went back at 9 A.M. to recover the sheath, possibly. WHY didn't he just go in the front door? People said it was wide open?? Oh, and another question? Some are saying he could not go in the sliding door in the back because Dylan had placed barstools to block it. But -- WHEN did she put the barstools there? And - WHY did she not see Ethan's body - if he was outside Zana's bedroom?? I just don't get it? Wouldn't she have tripped over Ethan's body going to the sliding door?? Were the barstools actually there at 9:00 A.M.? Hopefully this all gets answered in the future. I am so heartbroken for these young adults, their families and friends. Such a senseless act of horrific proportions. I hope this guy rots in hell! I don't know the answer to punishment. If he fries, he gets off the hook. If he gets life in prison, he will think about it every day. But sometimes that is not punishment. Look at Scott Petersen. He has been in prison for 20 years, and it appears what he did has never bothered him. And still maintaining his innocence?? I lived close to Redwood City where his trial was held. I followed it every single day, and I will always believe he killed Laci and Connor. He sits in prison, 3 squares a day, roof over his head, free medical care, etc. And we, the taxpayers pay for it! Yet our homeless are left on the streets to fend for themselves. And our veterans, too. Our justice system is so screwed up. Murderers get taken care of, with very few worries. Our homeless and veterans get nothing, and many die in street conditions. So heart breaking??
Well in the affidavit the police describe what they discovered in the walk through at the scene. When they went to the second floor they found Xana first in the doorway on the floor, not Ethan. I think DM may have witnessed her murder. Just a theory. I think the police deliberately misled where she was(not the first floor) to prevent him from knowing there was a witness. It bolsters my opinion he didn’t see her.
It really is so heartbreaking. The system is broken and backwards. Yes, the prisoners are taken care of. Some may have been homeless, and now look what they have...a home, meals, healthcare, on and on. I've heard that some are comfortable there and don't want to get out. And yes, vets die on the streets, families go hungry... it's beyond sad. And it's getting worse!! But not for the prisoners. Even if they have a toothache it's taken care of. I'm going on about this because this whole system has fallen apart. They have T.V.'s, computers, movie nights. I can't say anymore, it's too much. Something's gotta give 🙏😟
what's worse is these whole narratives people are coming up with. like they are writing a fcuking true crime story. this comment section is littered with them.
I FEEL that there are things that need to change in our legal system. Him sitting there next to a defense lawyer (inches apart) as if he’s NORMAL. I get the innocent until proven concept; but with the evidence already presented and heinous crimes in question; in my opinion it’s a HUGE BOUNDARY ISSUE, to have families/friends/society be put in this position for days on end….seeing this animal treated like a human. I completely understand the defense lawyers choose that role, it’s just annoying to see a lawyer ask for a bond to be set!!!! REALLY!!!!! For F-sakes. It’s a mockery to HUMANITY. I truly don’t know if I could sit in that court room. Two ways to help restore HUMANITY. Chain-**ngs, and the accused is caged during the judicial proceedings and is able to speak thru a microphone/earphones to Lawyers. Bear in mind I recognize this is not a Conviction. Him sitting there as any human would, uncuffed is a complete disrespect to the normal population. In the BTK case the lawyer put her arm around him, and at times was whispering in her ear. Makes ya wonder which person in this scenario is the most harmful to society. Maybe all individuals should be legally required to represent themselves. Especially with the new evidentiary tools available.
I AGREE! I think that our courts have helped to normalize criminal activity. I remember a time when shoplifting was treated like a REAL theft, now they just let them leave peacefully so no one gets hurt. Those sentences for violent crimes including murder are a sad and sorry joke. TEN years for killing someone. Smdh
ABSOLUTELY!!!! I wish someone could've reached over and smacked that smile off his face!! I KNOW the anger and hatred K's family had to be feeling with him sitting right in front of them.
Yeah, I think I'll stick with the system we've got. This guy won't get away with it. It doesn't offend me that him and his lawyer want to pretend he's innocent. Let 'em pretend. And as for defense lawyers, guess what...a lot of them are former prosecutors. They make a name for themselves prosecuting and then charge big bucks to top criminals because they can claim they know how it all works from the inside out.
I feel like if he didn’t get caught he probably was going to do it again maybe years down the road. I think a big part of this was about his ego and how he thought he could get away.
Tactfully speaking, he carried the actually crime inside the house out very well. Four people?! But, aside from that he was an idiot. You NEVER flip off your cell to eschew the ping THEN flip it on after the murders. Keep the thing off until the next morning. If questioned, the cell died that night as he slept. And then there's much more with respect to the vehicle. Making several runs leading up to the event was idiotic. He Likely noticed the doordash deal, which delayed his entry. Problem is, he had to circle back around again. He knew he was dealing with a high-traffic area to begin, so he picked a bad spot from the onset. And finally, certainly there's DNA in his vehicle. No way with blood splatter it wasn't transfered from his person to the interior of his vehicle. When they plead to the public about the white Elantra, they were letting him know they had him. He knew how often he lurked that night. They were forcing his hand. Maybe it was imparting too much info, as the gentleman in his video alluded to.
See, these are exactly the reasons why I believe something doesn't quite make sense here.. These are too obvious mistakes he did ~ a smart guy like him, who's even studied the field.. No way he'd do all those ROOKIE mistakes!!!
They say rookie mistakes but I don't see how the killer with advanced degrees in criminology, drove his personal vehicle around the house 4 times in a night and took his cell on his killing spree. I want to understand leaving the knife sheath, but even that seems more careless than a person with any common sense would have. Now all that is being categorized as careless and mistakes. And the roommate not checking on the other inhabitants of the house or calling police when someone wearing a mask was in the house? That is a little too hard to believe.
Agree, there was no reason to put the white elantra out there to the public. Also brilliant not disclosing the roommate could describe him. Law enforcement is about convictions not cow towing to public pressure. Great job not leaking Moscow Police Dept.
You can read the affidavit on line. It’s very detailed how they were tracking him well before any DNA evidence implicated him. Video surveillance of his car going back and forth from the crime scene and his university numerous times before and during the murders and cell phone towers along the exact route pinging his cell phone on the same dates and times. He left Touch DNA on the sheath button snap from prior handling with hands. Remember, he was obviously wearing gloves during the murders but it didn’t matter because anything you touch leaves DNA on it. They had enough suspicion to request Pennsylvania authorities to take trash from the parents house. That trash matched the DNA profile on the button snap. He’s busted and there’s no defense. He got sloppy and left too many clues behind.
@@sandygibbon2761 Because they didn’t have the license plate number. There’s no way of knowing who owned a white Elantra. One of the traffic stops on the white Elantra, the suspect gave his phone number to the police officer which returned to the suspect and that same phone pinged cell towers along the route on 12 prior occasions to and from his university to the crime scene and back. Read the affidavit on line. It’s quite interesting and detailed how they linked him to the crimes.
There are two unsolved stabbings in the Washington area. The first was a 71 year old woman who was stabbed in her sleep. She was found dead in her bed. The second was a married couple. They were also attacked in their sleep by a man and stabbed. The husband died at the hospital and the wife was hospitalized but managed to survive. Both murders were done on the 13th of the month, like the Moscow murders. Both of the murders were stabbings and were committed within a 70 mil radius of Kohberger's apartment in Pullman.
I agree that he "may" have done the other killings. He was stepping up on each kill, 1, then 2. He may have wanted 3 this last time, but he didn't expect Ethan to be there. Speculation here..
I was just looking into that too...did the surviving wife have a description of any kind? I hope police collected something they can test now. The 71 year old woman was also stabbed in her torso in her bed 😞 I don’t think this is his first AT ALL. No way
Finally; a guy with no BS, speaking frankly and accurately. You asked great questions and he provide great responses to the questions very well. To both of the guys, a refreshing job well done.
It would be an interesting twist, If there was a cult among criminology grads to commit murder and get away with it. There would be a motive - Agreed ... Far fetched, but not impossible. If he does away with himself before the trial, that will be a clue.
You leave your DNA , you leave your name….. murder 101……. Still would like the motive ….. 4 lives lost for what , for WHAT????these young beautiful kids gone , for what????god they were beautiful and young may they Rest In Peace🥀
This guy actually understands forensic DNA evidence. A lot of cops, district attorneys, and defense attorneys still haven't been well schooled about DNA.
The cops knew his name and started following him a whole month before they arrested him it says in the affidavit. They were so smart to not release info
Cops do a lot of things that upset people , but this has been OUTSTANDING police work and cooperation across all agencies . A true community , state , and federal effort. Justice for these young victims.
I think the cops got lucky with this one. The guy was pretty damn untracable apart from his 1 mistake, which was leaving the knife sheath blatantly there. Take that out of the equation, and I am almost certain they may not even have their guy yet, and people like you would probably start complaining about their 'poor' police work. To me, the police did what they were supposed to, and that's all.
@@Adam-wc9eg They were onto him since late November. They got his phone number from a previous traffic stop and traced his cellphone signal paths throughout the way, which is when they realized that the white Elantra was involved with it. There's a whole mosaic of evidence pointing towards mr "criminal mastermind" cold burger.
@@Adam-wc9eg The hyundai was the first clue. They traced him because of the car. The DNA was only used to confirm that he was on scene. Even if they got the sheath but he is not in the system, they will probably have a harder time. But the car led the police to a likely suspect. That's why they went through his trash and compared it to the sheath. The sheath alone wasn't gonna do anybody good if the criminal has no DNA on record.
For a small police dept, they did a Hell of Job. Congratulations to all Law Enforcement who were a part of this investigation. It's sad to live in a World where we now need more cameras around.
You're correct, but to be fair, they did have the Idaho State Police and others, Washington State Police and others, the FBI, and the Pennsylvania authorities. They did not do it alone.
"The Boy ain't Right!" You gotta love his clear facts and honesty during the interview, to then to Sum it up to one simple statement that everyone can understand, from a 6 year old to PHD. it was minimal, to the point, and beautifully concise communication! Love listening to him! Thanks for sharing this clip!
It is strangely poetic that this guy thought how smart he was, with his degree in criminology, his meticulous planning and even reasearch about criminals and possibly how not to leave evidence...only to be caught by a small department that had little experience with solving murders as there was none in Moscow for like 7 years, which I honestly think was one of his reasons for doing it there.
stupid comment, the local police pleaded with the state government which lended more than $1M + to help solve the murder, but it was the FBI and their resources coupled with tips that helped bring this creep to justice.
He didn't commit the crime in Moscow because it had a small police department. He did it because that's where he lived---or Moscow was very close to where he lived. Also, I wouldn't say that the Moscow police department "solved the case." Yes, it solved it--but with the help of lots of investigators from various agencies, especially including the FBI, which did all the analysis of the cellphone data.
Also, people were impatient because they are arrogant, have unrealistic expectations, and don't care if they destroy reputations - those on the investigation team and also innocent people connected to the case.
I LOVE that you pointed out "a real moron move"! That was the best! Especially because he has such an inflated idea of how smart he is. For him, a legacy of idiocy is a fate worse than death. The best punishment would be Maximum Security, in Solitary, with a TV that only shows news reports that call him out as a "Moron", forever, and ever, and ever
This is some of the best police work I’ve ever seen in my lifetime - so much for small town police - they did a great job pinning this down - I should add the reason I say some of the best police work is Becasue ALL jobs should be done like this and taken this seriously but sadly don’t. If people realize how many women get murdered from abusers every year and how much crime actually goes unresolved and even non investigated I think the public would be horrified. My own case from being assaulted and attacked was brushed under the rug and the guy got away with it. Every case should be taken this serious. This force did a great job formulating a team and building this case - the key stone cops that handled the Petito case should take some lessons.
Agreed. Its hard to believe they had much experience in terms of investigating murders in that area. I know the FBI did help as well, but to what degree isnt known yet.
@@jasonvoorhees5640 not sure what you mean. We’ve all had access to the same things and I’ve seen a lot of botched cases and lazy police work - including my own assault that Was handled with a “could total care less” attitude by the police department and they did the bare minimum to investigate who assaulted and attacked me
I was attacked by a stranger when i was asleep in my bed when I was 23. That guy also left his knife sheath in my bed. This case reminds me how lucky I am he let me live. Maybe he had some sympathy when I begged for my unborn baby’s life? I was 6 months pregnant but didn’t show a lot, so maybe he didn’t know before he broke in? Anyway, this was a long time ago. My son died at 21 due to cancer complications. I’m glad I had him for as long as I did.
I think the guy just wanted to kill. He was seeking information from criminals on how they selected their victims. I don't think these victims had a true connection to Bryan, or that there was a personal motive for the killing. I think he just assumed they would be easy victims because of their lifestyle, and knowing that the house was a party house with frequent visitors would add to the confusion of a small police department on who the suspect could be. With multiple victims in one crime scene -- again it expands the potential for suspects. I think Bryan thought he was smarter than the police -- and possibly even the sheath was intentionally left behind -- because it had USMC on it -- maybe to make the police suspect a former marine. If the sheath had just the single fingerprint on the snap, he may have overlooked that detail if he wiped the rest of it from fingerprints. I think he probably expected to get away with it for a long time -- but the police did an exceptional job. There would never be any motive to justify the murders, but I think people really want to believe there has to be a reason -- when it simply can just be that evil people do evil things.
Your first two sentences dont make any sense. Just because you are studying how criminals choose their victims doesn't mean you have to kill to know because it still won't give you the answer of how criminals choose their victims. These are two separate ideas. The way you know how a criminal chooses his victims are to ask the criminal himself and to study and observe his killing pattern.
I mean if you want to make it as serial killer it is always best to choose victims you don’t have any ties to since that’s usually the first place LE look for suspects
Just having a car the police are looking for on campus close to the crime scene. One police officer running the tags it goes back to PA ,they get a name , look up his online profile. If they originally looked up that make of car in a 200 mile radius it wouldn't have shown up. They get his phone and check if it pinged close to the crime scene. They can check for any pings in a certain area and track it back to an owner.
Who gives a shit what a non related professional says. Its his grades and what his teachers say and the fact that he was earning his PHD that matters and shows how intelligent someone is. I really feel that Americans and American youth are some of the dumbest people in the world when I read their comments. 🤦🤦🤦
@@jojobee42 I am like yeah wow this guy HAD to want to have the clout or idk man, this is an awful lot of "mistakes" or "negligence" for someone involved in criminology and forensics...right??
1:20 The guy who reads from a teleprompter calling anyone else a moron and describing a postgraduate education as 'information'. So tired of uneducated jerks with a chip on their shoulder thinking they know everything. If you're so smart, go and get one of these qualifications that requires no intelligence or hard work yourself!
When one of the Indiana State Troopers stopped him & his dad he asked them where they were going and Bryan said, "We're going to get Thai food" and then his dad said, "yeah we're coming from Washington state headed to Pennsylvania." Bryan's eyes got big as saucers 😂 the look on his face was "WTF dad!"
‘The boy ain’t right,’ the best comment ever. Such a loaded and yet perfect description- reveals so much, because unfortunately he was restricted to say too much.
Thank You, All the law enforcement that respectfully declined to lash out at the grieving family’s frustrated. This is an example of integrity! This is an example of strength! Wish I could buy all them trip away or dinner, something! Thank you officers for being strong enough to take the pain of the family’s grieving! All these people have been through hell, it nice to know they could count on all you to rise above. Wish we could give these people their beloved back. My heart goes out and prayers they can be strong for each other.
Thank you for your appreciation and respect in acknowledging the hard work, integrity, and strength of all the people involved in this painful disaster. The media (as usual) is making a drama of this painful horror in order to obtain ratings.
I have two nephews that are officers and have known many others in my life time. They do not get the respect that they deserve. If everyone could give them some credit and have something nice to say to or about them would be nice. They see things that would destroy the normal person. All we have to Remember is they care and aren’t aloud to comment. A little respect goes a long way.
Law enforcement has gotten so much unfair backlash in the last years- it’s time to give credit to the men and women putting their lives on the line so we can live safely and catch the monsters.
Absolutely. Lot's of people have nothing good to say about cops until they need them. Then they get back on their soapbox and cry that they need cops. It's so insanely contradictory. I always give cops respect,and am honest about when I got speeding tickets. I have always been treated well by every one of them because I accept that I broke the law,which is what you do in my world. I was raised this way. I notice lot's of people raising kids to NOT respect law enforcement,which leads to resisting arrest,and other infantile behavior towards cops.
During the 1st week, I new the detectives already had their killer. It's was just about waiting on DNA results to come back. There was no way a person can kill 4 ppl that up close and not leave any DNA behind. What I didn't know was that this monster left the sheath to his knife behind. When detectives are tight lipped about a case, and don't even share progress with family... they know more than they're letting on! Let them do their job without the harsh criticism. It's a no Brainer why they didn't share info the victims families, especially Kaylee Goncalves father. He was kind of like a loose cannon. God only knows what information he would have shared with the media.
He was pretty good though - only a tiny, tiny bit on the knife sheaf in the whole house. What I can’t understand is how he didn’t step in any blood, to leave footprints on his way out, since the scene was supposedly so bloody.
The reports say they didn’t find any DNA from him from the actual murders. The DNA they found on the button snap of the knife sheath was previous touch DNA left behind from prior handling without gloves. He wore gloves and was prepared when he committed the murders. If he would’ve handled the sheath more cautiously before hand and or didn’t leave it behind they probably wouldn’t have DNA.
I don't believe the FBI would have been brought in or the case would have been solved without 2 specifics: 1-the victims were young and beautiful, 2-that dad wasn't going to allow this to be a cold case. Just look at all the other murders that go unsolved....the victims are just regular folks or down and outers AND no extended family gets on to the media and keeps the heat up. Considering the knife sheath was there from the start and he used his own car which was caught on camera.....should this be a difficult case to solve?
I am an ordinary citizen of Poland who has been following the developments in this case from day one. Each of us, regardless of geographical location around the world, should know very well that social media is not a homicide department or a high court. the disclosure of information on this case by social media and journalists can help escape or manipulate evidence in court. as citizens, we should cooperate in such a situation and know that 10-20% of the information disclosed is what we should see, especially in such a media case. In such cases, the media should cooperate, not interfere. 80-90% must remain secret and serve as a weapon for the department to bring the perpetrator to justice. Leads that may lead to the apprehension of the perpetrator should be sent directly to the investigating department, not pasted on social media. We are all certain of the acts committed by the murderer, but presenting it and proving it in court are two different things. after the information released at the moment, it can be seen that the police had full control, and the arrest was only a matter of time. police vs social media 1:0 good job USA
I think the sheath got left on accident. I think he was so high from doing it, along with adrenaline rush, and it was dark enough, he probably missed it. People in fight response get tunnel vision and easily miss things. Reasons for my theory: 1. He drove south to Blaine Idaho immediately after, probably to ditch the knife and sheath and other items he wore. 2. He went back near the kids house around 9 am, probably to see if anyone had reported it yet, and maybe to see if he had dropped the sheath on the ground. Then drove immediately home to WSU. He probably relaxed when police didn't mention finding anything on the scene that would indicate what weapon was used specifically. Which would explain his elation in class except when they discussed the case. He thought he had gotten away with it.
I agree. Phone tracking information says he went back to the crime scene at around 9:20 that morning. Probably realized the knife sheath was still in the house, but didn't want to risk going back inside.
@@shauncasey8295 I've been thinking it's a really good thing they caught him when they did. I think if they had gone much longer he may have started to plan another one once he felt he was clear and back at college for the next semester. I doubt this would have been a one-time thing for him if he had gotten away with it.
I like your theories, and I think in his excited state he may have gotten lost on his way back home! (dark lol…) He turned the phone off/airplane so it wouldn’t track him at the time of the murders, so he also probably couldn’t use Google maps. Being new-ish to the area, and there are a lot of rural roads out there, he got turned around in his excited rush to leave, and then had to turn the phone on to find his way back home when he realized he was going in the wrong direction, down to Blaine. Otherwise if he were at all smart, he wouldn’t have turned the phone back on until he was home, so it would look like he was home the whole time. Intriguing oddball thought that occurred to me!
@@dianaw2179 You are correct. Or if really smart, he would have left his phone home and gotten a stand alone GPS. Even using a burner with an account on a gift card months back is risky.
“Thank you very much,we’ll take that!” Imagine the panic the killer had when he realized he left that sheath behind, may as well of left his drivers license
Please-You And others… sounds like he is the perpetrator. But if you believe in the American Justice system, then hes innocent until proven guilty. Something could have gone a ride and it's not him… then what friend and his family? That's a small thing, concerning what those families have gone through, to see this come to light, but you never know… so let's not just jump the gun… it's still very early on Indian investigation. I would be quick to call him a psychopath, I work in psychology. … but I'm Giving him a small chance….. Was he involved with someone in the house? Or was he just a plain stalker? Unfortunately, fortunately, the victims can't speak. Against most Hons, having seen way too many people go to prison men and women alike for crimes they didn't commit, let's see what comes out, and then maybe we can call him a psychopathic killer. Until then, I'm silent. As should the rest of you be. Besides just being another human being to another human being to another human being what should matter to you, what if you were his family? His sister, his mother, his dad, his high school best friend? Just wait. There's plenty of time…Thank you.
Yes, clearly a psychopath and I am pretty sure he did other crimes before these 4 murders, maybe not other murders but Something and we will most likely never know to a certainty. He didn't just Snap. There was a long long process to get to this point. Maybe some of it will come out, maybe he will end up confessing but I highly doubt it. His demeanor alone, IMHO, says so much as to his at this time - Obvious guilt.
Innocent babies are murdered everyday in the Abortion mills by Psychopaths! Where is the outrage over that?! I’m sick of hearing this shit all over the news! It’s past time to move on!
@@debbiesittard7979 could you show some respect?? Is that possible? I doub it. Stop conflating issues dear. Yer making a false equivalency, CAPICHE? You wanna talk about Other issues - this is Not the place for it. Yer high and mighty baloney is not welcomed, GET IT?
As a retired Marine, I can tell you that most of your training from day one is done while in chaos. That's a big part of your training. From the moment you wake until your head hits the rack at lights out. Total Chaos while being trained. There's a good reason for that.
@@VAMPZDJ He must compromise and leave quickly, as he allowed himself only 20-30 minutes. But if he saw the witness and chase after her, she ran into the bathroom or bedroom and locked the door, then he will need to know how to knock the door down, and that could be very loud, and would surely "disturb the peace" at that hour of the morning ,and could even raise more suspicion as he lose all the stealthy atmosphere for his "operation Killing 4 or more".
Great interview! The detective explained DNA value better than any expert I have heard with the idea of a juror not having any scientific knowledge of the process.
Except he was possibly wrong and it sounds like they didn’t do YSTRs. The statistic in the affidavit is a paternity statistic. That statistic cannot be done for the type of DNA that the interviewee is describing. (I work in Forensic Biology doing DNA analysis)
@@InSearchofTruththruJesusChrist More simple would certainly make my job easier! Obviously I’m only speculating here based on what the info from the affidavit means to me. I’m guessing the interviewee was talking about YSTRs since the affidavit mentions a male profile. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they did Y-chromosomal testing since the “regular” DNA testing also looks at a few sex determining places on DNA.
I'm thinking he never planned to kill 4. He probably had his eyes on 1 maybe 2, probably Kaylee and Madison or either or. I'd almost bet Xana hearing weird things being awake told Ethan to go check on what they were hearing, then he attacked Ethan and Xana to stop them calling for help. Then he took off after having to kill 2- 3 more people than he ever intended. I have doubts he intended to go in and kill 4 people that night. Something went sideways w his evil plan and he felt he had to attack them all. Maybe he'd planned on going after both the blondes but got surprised by the other couple being awake. I hope he talks someday and people hear what really occurred that awful night. The family deserves some answers even if the answers suck.
I think he went only for madi after seeing her at the restaurant she worked at. was surprised to see kayleigh in her bed so had to kill her too, then it snowballed from there.
These police sure did a lot better than police for the killing of Jon Benet Ramsay. They knew they needed help and got it right away. That sure shows a lot of intelligence and humbleness. Well done all involved.
After she was reported missing, the CBI or Colorado Bureau of Investigation offered their assistance to the Boulder Police, who promptly turned it down. They didn't need help. Just like when Robert Redford's daughter's boyfriend was found dead in a massive pothole at an apartment parking lot, covered with a blanket. It was "natural" causes, until Redford went to the media. THEN it was changed to homicide. Didn't find that guy either.
I read a book about sociopaths and basically it said why ask why. There's no answer to why they kill because sociopaths are wired completely differently than normal people.
Eh, I mean... I don't think he left the sheath there on purpose. Probably lost it in the chaos and couldn't find it (didn't notice was gone until he already left) and/or got the fk out of dodge.
But why would anything of urs end up at a murder It s not gonna make sense....plus other evidence too ,unless someone framing u Sooo much hate... No no no Something not right .....
They had him as a suspect pretty much 2 weeks after the gruesome murders. Moscow police, fb, etc. Did a great job!! They deserve a lot of credit! Very professional.
Every time I see outstanding work from the police, I'm reminded of how terrible the police in Uvalde are. I can't get away from that tragedy, it's seared into my brain. I'm just so glad they got this guy.
That police department did an amazing job & everyone else involved ! I knew they were holding onto a lot of info they were just trying to gather evidence to make the charges stick you only get one chance to do it so Justice can be served . They had his name 2 weeks within the crime . They were not sharing so he wouldn’t be spooked or him go on the run.
They had his name just after two weeks, but they undoubtedly had LOTS of names at that point in the investigation. It wasn't until later that they narrowed in on him.
Maybe leaving the knife sheath there compelled him to go back to the house. If I’m not mistaken, according to pings from the cell phone tower, he went back to Moscow around 9 a.m., but must have thought better of it and went home.
@@SallyBalls-22 if he realized he lost the sheath he may have wanted to go back for it, but then he knew he saw the girl when he left, so I wonder, if he did go back and went in, the girl would be in danger of being killed also by him
I think this guy weirdly did this- not expecting to leave knife sheath.... but did this to ‘first hand’ analyze the crime. Think fascinated with career choice & wanted to be the best... learning in fact by his own decision to murder... thinking he’d get away with it. A portion of his thought made it a game for him. And checkmate~ he lost. Sad all the way around... too many affected by a crime such as this. Their families & his own family- lives destroyed... I hope we find out why.
Thank god for technology and videos. Thank you for genetic testing. Thank you science. Thank you investigators for doing careful work. I hope it’s a good solid case and he is held accountable for the families affected . I’m so sorry they spent this winter without their young adult child… my heart is so broken for them.
I think he arrogantly left the sheath behind, thinking it had no DNA on it because he wore gloves. His mistake was not cleaning it before embarking on his sick mission. That sheath puts him in the house and will convict him.
U mean the sheath that covers the knife... He used the knife but forgot the sheath.... So u kinda eat the chocolate n leave the wrapper ...u dont dispose it Shows his character.....
These officers did a fantastic job gathering the evidence and most of all not publicly giving out any of the info. They did not buckled under the pressure from the public, they focused and did their job. Much thanks to the officers for a job well done.
I heard that he has visited the house 12 times before the murder? His sister lived right down the street too... I'm wondering if this was actually a crime of passion and not some kind of serial killer. Maybe he had a relationship with one of them, or one of them rejected him...
Why? Because he longed for the experience and challenge of committing several brutal homicides with his own hands and fantasized about it for many years before he actually did it. He chose his victims on sight by the color of their skin, their statuses within the community, their outgoing likable personalities, their presence as human beings who represented the culmination of every person in his formative years who made him feel belittled, small, inferior without even trying. Yes, he desired more than anything to feel all that comes with murder- up close and personal with a huge knife- (the fear on their faces, the smell of blood, the rapid decent of their eyes into sure death, the exhilaration of completing his magnum opus, the scurry after tasks were done in fleeing from the scene, getting to feel the ups and downs of his own wicked act and calling daddy to come pick him up for a long rode trip- nice father, son time). Also, he was quoted as saying that Idaho was excellent “hunting ground”. I’m sure it’s just filled to the brim with exactly the kind of prey he set his sights on. The type of young people he chose demonstrate a hatred for functional, popular White people who have a successful bright future to look forward to. They were happy, enjoying their young adult lives responsibly, had close, intimate friendships and made friends easily outside of their inner circle. His motive- every waking moment, every activity including his academic study was utterly devoted to his ultimate goal of MURDER-that’s your why. His choice of victim is obvious as well- he hates White people, especially high functioning, outgoing, popular White young men and women who may have gone on to lead successful lives and procreate their particular genes of excellence. He’s an abomination and Idaho better put aside any and all feelings of “oh, poor guy” BS and hand down the HARSHEST possible sentence according to state law. No sympathy for this behavior; he showed no mercy. And y’all better not either. This emotional blackmail imploring you all to empathize with straight up killers is disgusting and perverse and it’s gotta stop with Kohberger. Capital Punish his demented ass since that’s the worst state law will allow.
Yes. Sadly it’s typically specific acts/ details the perpetrators enjoy about it like the power, the fight, the adrenaline… they don’t see killing someone as something of a crime, rather a sport, a high, a rush, a game with a score sheet. Who ever scores highest is coolest in their heads. They won’t feel bad because “it was just another human being, so what?” There’s no remorse, no regret, just perhaps hindsight of what they wished they did differently. Definitely he wanted to get away with it and be able to talk about it and blend in like the wolf in sheeps clothing he is… I feel that’s what would have been anything close to a motive too, being able to act out what he’s researched and studied, get away with it and talk about it. I also feel if a long enough period of time would have passed he would’ve killed again. It’s seriously just the joy of killing for them, and getting away with it or at least thinking they will. Although I must also say, ppl like him will happily accept the fact they got caught and narcissistically enjoy the recognition and “notoriety” off the title they will now receive. Sad. All in all, pointless.
He was stalking them. It happens all the time. That’s the motive. 12 cell phone hits around the house before the murder in the late night and wee hours of the morning in a town he has no ties to.
Besides, your phone pings based on towers and sometimes pings in a certain location even if you are 20 miles away, that’s how it works, so that part is a stretch.
My sister was attacked in her home on November 18th 2022. In Everett Washington I thought it was him she was beat almost to death Now I think it was her Landlord he’s really weird too no one has done anything about this her body was so badly beaten she almost died
I am in WA and remember hearing about this but then the story just disappeared. Prayers for your family and I hope your sister is healing well 🙏 and that they catch who did that.
You are right they have a rock solid case for the prosecutors and the cops then the defense lawyers start talking and there case disolves in front of them !
I’m curious about why he left a witness. I theorize he started on the third floor since that is where the sheath was found. Then he killed the couple on the second floor. Maybe when he finished and was exiting the scene he was so full of adrenaline he didn’t see DM see him. If she was standing in the doorway and the house was dark he just might have missed her. The police have given misdirection on purpose to the press. They kept saying the girls slept through it on the first floor. Maybe they wanted to protect them as witnesses. We only have snippets of what DM statement was. There could be so much more. She may have seen him kill which would have traumatized her and caused her to freeze and hide. The police have done an excellent job protecting the evidence and keeping him unaware they were on to him. There’s so much more we don’t know. I trust the investigators they have kept it close to the vest to build their case and get this guy the death penalty.
She may have only opened the door just a crack and could not close it and draw attention to herself. The screaming may have scared him off to just want to get out of there quickly. Who knows. I doubt he saw her but he's the psychopath too
In my opinion-Bryan used himself as his own test subject in exploring thoughts and feelings regarding committing the crime. He obviously is getting something out of studying, and researching such actions-to the point of perseverating-which most likely led to his wanting to have these thoughts and feelings himself.
Its not crazy at all, its actually so basic its unreal. Dont overthink how dumb you are, you could do this work with the proper authority to get information
As a retired state trooper investigator this interview was one of the best of the dozens I've been watching since the case began. The cable news circuits have full stables of has- been and way-over-their pay grade interviews and opinions, including one very annoying guy named after a famous ball player. This is a street wise guy, the kind who solves crime. Moscow PD did a great job. I agree, too much was released due to public pressure. This was I believe the first high profile case where social media has really gotten themselves in the way. Info on the car, likely why he changed the registration, a good example. The cops reporting a possible KaBar knife - duh, the killer knew he forgot his sheath. If the cops intentionally arranged those traffic stops in Indiana then they screwed up not having a plain clothes trooper (back in uniform) making the contacts. A lot of info could have been garnered from the road side chats. Example "geez, WSU?, you guys are driving a white Elantra just like what they are looking for, where you there when it happened, LOL, etc.). A great "knock & talk" missed - twice. Be great to get a video view of both of their faces had that happened. And no need to look for injuries either, they did full body photographs in PA after they arrested him in booking with a search warrant.
If you were an investigator, you'd know that when you move to another state, you have to buy that state tag when you renew. His birthday was that month. A d by the times they arrested him, it was over a month. And wounds would have probably healed.
@@taramiller3236 I've written enough registration tickets (hundreds) so no, you don't have to. There are a lot of reasons why you can live in one state and have registration tags in another. School, a transient non perm job, military service. Usually if you don't fit those criteria, 90 days after you claim permanent residency applies. Or when the tag actually expires. Unlike OL requirements in many states you can renew online or through the mail, DMV wants your $$. A lot of people play the tag game to avoid paying higher fees. He may have wanted WA tags to claim residency to get a cheaper tuition rate. News flash; what a person "has to do" and what they chose to do are two different subjects altogether. Injuries: upon arrest by search warrant they did a full body exam and took photographs. Perhaps those traffic stop cops could see a cut visible on his hands or wrists but like an iceberg most of it could be concealed under his clothing. Healed? Scratches, likely yes. deep cuts, perhaps even wounds closed by sutures, no.
I don't care why he did it. I just pray to God almighty that he's the one who actually committed this Horrific crime gets what he deserves to the fullest extent of the law 🙏 for justice.
The night of murder… there was 6 people in the house 🏡 and 4 students got killed and 2 people survived and why they didn’t call 911 right away or waited the next day(waited 8 hours), and they called their friends first… instead of calling 911 first .
@@honorthyparents8510 She called her friends to come over because someone was “passed out” but she didn’t call 911 and she changed her story! Why is no one catching this problem? Especially calling her friends first.
I keep thinking , how did he commit 4 murders in 15 minutes ? Is that even possible ? Did he have help ? Especially with a few things he said , like to the cops he said ( did you arrest anybody else ) that to me sounds like it was more than just him. The other thing he said , ( the girl over heard someone say , it's ok , I am going to help you . ). More to this story than what we know so far , I think .
Since this happened, do you go to bed and think, dang what if someone breaks in and starts to stab me to death? This makes you think, because these 4 were in bed or going to bed and all the sudden their lives ended....
Not Xana and presumably Ethan too as Xana got Door Dash food delivery moments before being killed. Her food was most likely still warm and uneaten as she died.
I have to ask the question as to if he was in some sort of altered state of mind as the killing transpired. This altered state of mind caused a laser focus. I think it is important to analyze his state of mind as he left the building. One of the survivors watched as he walked out of the building as the killer walked right past. This tells me that he may have been blink in his periphery and actually didn't see this person. If the killer had seen this person then they too may have been killed. What drugs or mental conditions can cause peripheral blindness?
He wants the notoriety, he is not stupid. What he is now dealing with is the public anger which he did not anticipate because he thinks his thinking is normal. He also has to deal with incarceration , no more driving his car, no more fantasy and planning. I do think he wants the notoriety of a Bundy. Delia Morris
@@nielszindel1151 No, he never expected to get caught. He even tried to return to the scene of the crime the next morning after realizing he had dropped the sheathe but it was too late.
I think he's too smart to make this kind of basic mistakes... I think he left those items there so he would be identified and found. He wanted to get caught. What if he's done this before and gotten away with it? So this would be his way to end it and get his identity out... Or maybe he wanted to do this to get DEATH PENALTY? Maybe he was so tired of living, so this was his way out?? Either way... I don't think a smart guy like him would do such rookie mistakes. We're underestimating him to think he'd slip like that...
Well his “intelligence” is on display for the world to see now and he’s probably either still denying it to himself or humiliated as the entire world reads the affidavit.
I really think he just wanted to see if he could get away with it and what it feels like to kill someone. Some people are TOO curious. He let the intrusive thoughts win.
I victims families might disagree. Every single day that the killer was out free was a living and still is a living nightmare for them. So yes, 2 months could seem like a lifetime for the victims family. Little inconsiderate of their feelings in your comment.
@@WadesWorldd yes Derrick, should have been solved the next day. I guess investigators were lazy. I have been the primary initial officer of several murder/homicide cases - IMO most law enforcement people would consider this to be rapid resolution of a murder investigation … what can I say?
@B L Not once did i say anything about the investigation taking too long or calling them lazy. It's pretty obvious you can't comprehend what I said, so you would rather deflect, lol. Such ignorance! Like I said earlier. Think about the victims family. Shouldn't be a difficult thing to do.
@B L are you slow? I've only mentioned my point more than a few times. Yet you still don't get it , or try to understand that family's of victims viewpoint might be different from yours since they actually lost a family member. Every single day seems like a lifetime that he wasn't caught. At the same time, they didn't discredit the work the police did in catching this guy. Two things can be true. Your initial comment is insensitive to those who went through this. Still can't believe you choose to simply ignore trying to look through their lense on the matter. Have a good day!
I'm amused that everyone was saying the case was going cold and then it comes out that they already knew and were just watching him, great way to lull him into a false sense of security.
MPD was very smart to realize they needed state and federal help to investigate this. Contrast with Boulder's handling of the Ramsey case in which they refused help and botched the investigation.
I completely agree THAT this small township police department really did a excellent/professional job!! I thought they were out of their league and had stated so online . ( Please accept my apologies) God bless all involved bringing Justice to the lives and families of victims...
I went to school with Bryan kohberger at pleasant valley and I can tell you right now the way he is acting at the courthouse in Idaho while the judge is reading off the charges and telling him no bail and he's acting so calm this is the calmest and most relaxed I have ever seen Bryan kohberger and this is after he received the affidavit and seen what they have against him all the evidence in detail pointing right to him anyone who is innocent would not be going to court so calmly especially Bryan they definitely got the right guy it's just crazy to me someone so close to my hometown did this
@@cynthiafortier2540 he did have a girlfriend and he was extremely creepy in school I was never friends with him my husband went to a few party's that Bryan was at but he always had the blank emotionless stare on his face it always gave me the creeps
@@neondreams4016 I never seen him calm like the way he was In that Idaho court room he never looked like that he just always had this very creepy angry look everyday at school his stare was creepy. I was never friends with him I just went to school with him my husband went to a few parties that Bryan was at
Serving roommate gave a description of who she saw, which matched the driver's license phot of the owners of the same type of vehicle seen in the neighborhood. They could have grabbed him just on that. But they looked at locations based on cell tower signals, and got the DNA evidence. They didn't want him to walk at all before grabbing him.
Just my opinion i believe why he kept driving and parked in the area before the killing. He was figurine about his escape route the fastest way out!! And I believe he was shocked when he got arrested because he thought he had gotten away with it.
