Former Joe Joyce Coach Richie Woodhall Baffled By Performance In Zhang Loss 

What did you make of Zhang's win vs Joyce? 🤔👇

Richie is one of the best pundits in boxing, very technically knowledgable and was one hell of a tough fighter in his day

Richie is always a voice worth listening to, he summed up Joyce’s performance perfectly. Joe stood in front of Zhang with his guard wide open, and made no attempt to change his tactics, even after getting constantly battered with that straight left hand from the opening round. And yet we know Joe can fight more intelligently than that, as he did against Dubois. Richie is not the first person I’ve heard questioning Joyce’s preparation and tactics for this fight, and I think his team have some serious questions to answer. If it wasn’t for the Dubois fight, I’d say they’ve gotten lazy and allowed Joe to rely on just his solid chin and battering-ram tactics for too long.

Coming in to the terminator tells you everything you need to know about Joyce's mindset... he's let people gas him up and he's believed it... they thought they could take anything Zhang could give and just walk through him... nope... this is the heavyweight division and you can't take liberties with genuine power punchers

Joyce and his team talked more about AJ than Zhang leading up to the fight. They clearly got caught up in the Juggernaught hype and thought he'd just walk through Zhang. Hopefully this has humbled Joyce a bit and make him realise he can't just rely on his chin.

Richie is a boxing gem - awesome commentator and pundit.

Spot on Richie, always a correct assessment by yourself.🎯👍🥊🥊

If you use your face as your defence that’s what happens 😅

Richie is such a gent

Great analysis. Joe needs to question his training team on this loss..

This man is pure class

Love Richie speaks so much sense and non bias

Joyce actually thought he was the terminator 😂

Looking forward to the iD Review Show on Monday. Not Joyce's night, for sure. Did he get carried away with all the positive press about him recently and lose some focus? Weight an issue? Stung and surprised by Zhang's power early on? The corner chat seemed interesting: The great Salas not saying too much [not sure if that's normal]. I could hear more from the equally great Jimmy Tibbs. Lots of questions to cover!

If Woodhall is baffled then I’m baffled by his bafflement. Some of us saw this coming a long time ago. In fact I’m baffled that it hadn’t happened before. As a matter of fact, I have expected this to happen in every fight that JJ has ever gone into barring the Olympics final, where I thought he was robbed. A man who has a defence based on blocking punches with his face is liable to get knocked out at some point. Especially, if he is stupid enough to fight a 20 st banger and decide to inexplicably lose weight for the fight. Some would say he was asking for it. If I were JJ I’d sack my manager and trainer forthwith. No manager worth their salt would make a fight with a banger, knowing his fighter has zero defence and no trainer worth their salt would come in light against a 20 st banger. It’s a clown show all round.

I appreciate the very short intro - other channels have a 20 something second intro.

Zhang performed well picked his shots accurately and big joe Joyce walked right onto them.. The time and place was always going to come, when Joyce's susceptible defence was going to get tested, and boy it did 💯🥊🥊

Richie bang on as usual although I'm surprised he didn't mention big Joe's weight loss.

The mighty left hand from Zhang did the job

with Ritchie Woodhalls demeanor and knowledge I wish he was on Skys commentary team

Spot on Richie,

Very true Mr. Woodhall.

In my humble opinion, he got hurt by Zhang early on and that set the tone of the fight and hence everything went downhill for Joyce.

I’ve missed kugan and Dillians interviews 😂😂

Joyce looked like he was fighting in slow motion !

Breaking News: "Joyce thought Zhang was orthodox"

The Juggernaut ended up as roadkill.

As per usual on the money Richie💯👍🏼

Knows his onions, Richie.

Richies knowledge is impressive 😊

Joe needs to ask lennox lewis to coach him.

like a lot of us ..we do feel gutted..Joe just didn't seem like he was in the fight for the first six rounds..but then zhang started to tire only what I was seeing if Joe didn't get hit with them big shots at the first few rounds..and it did go past the six maybe Joe a big maybe he would have weathered the storm..only my opinion..just a shame but its a strange one Joe just didn't seem himself..hopefully he makes a full recovery pray to god.. none of us like seeing Joe getting hit to often he seems a smashing fella.i do believe he will want the rematch and he can get right back...Good luck Joe Joyce..

Richie Woodall always talks sense fantastic boxing knowledge and a very tough tough man in his day.

The Juggernaut...now has a naught!

Forget the rematch Zhang has signed with Queensbury and Make Fury Vs Zhang

I suspect that Joe Joyce will be able to make the adjustments required to beat Zhang in a rematch, though I personally would prefer to see him first fight another southpaw, such as Otto Wallin, who does not punch as hard as Zhang, is lighter at around 16st 12lbs with a slightly shorter reach, and seems to have an artificially high ranking based solely on his losing fight with Tyson Fury. Adjustments needed (I think) by Joyce for Zhang (but for his practice bout with Wallin also) will be: (i) Coming in at what looks to be his more natural weight of around 19st 6lbs; (ii) Circling (fast!) to his left away from Zhang’s straight left; (iii) Keeping his lead left foot at all times TO THE LEFT of Zhang’s lead right foot; (iv) Trying to improve his defence by keeping his chin tucked down more, hands up for protection, moving his head more, and being more aware of Zhang’s fast but quite wide right hook; (v) Practising ad nauseum his own straight right to the head (more specifically Zhang’s left eye!) followed by a hard left to the body; (vi) Frequently targeting Zhang’s arms at just below shoulder level (but not so as to leave himself open to Zhang’s left counter) and his right bicep (when Zhang extends his right arm to encourage movement to the right by Joyce into Zhang’s straight left! (vii) Remembering his rugby scrummaging skills with a view to forcing Zhang to move backwards; But then, what do I know? Corrections from someone, who actually coaches and knows what they are talking about, welcomed! What do you think, Richie?

Richie Woodhall.. great pundit & a gentlemen fought Roy jones, Calzaghe amongst others legend.

Cool comments about AJ, but Joe doesn't need to wait to fight Zhang

The juggernaught got juggernaughted.

Good interview . Joyce will be back.

Zhann is just too fast and accurate. I think he has Joe's number. Joe's guard was always up, but Zhann punched through it.

Joe can stand square and walk through the average boxer he has a good chin, but against a good boxer he can’t get away with that, Richie was spot on.

Joyce didn't have that punching power, he looked a little flat and small i remember him way more muscular, he went in too hard at the beginning. Should have waited it out a bit more with defence instead of taking the clean shots from Zhang it would seem to me. Congrats to Zhang for showing up putting it on.

Great boxing man is woodhall he’s bang on the money with his opinions

Richie thinks it was all about Joyce. Fact is zhang proved to be a horrible style for Joyce. Vicious southpaw counter puncher and Joe couldn't deal with it. Got to give credit to the winner here.

I'm guessing they expected Zhang to gas out early. Joe was fine apart from the eye, but that's boxing. Joe just expected it to go his way eventually.

It's rare that I want fights to be stopped, but this had to be. Joyce could've lost his sight

Boxers from all over the globe are taking an interest in the heavyweight division. Just because there hasn’t been a credible title prospect from China before doesn’t mean that it can’t happen. We now have one.

Maybe fury will fight him now !! Lol and add him to his defo win fights

He's not very good boxer let's be fair. Robotic, wooden, no movement All he as his a chin, which will go eventually

Aj should fight zhang.

It takes years to get used to fighting south paw styles. Years and years. Unless you’re extremely talented

Big bang was gasing out in the six shame about the eye Joe had more in his tank later on

Zhang is a banger & Joe Joyce is too easy to hit, once it was established that Joyce couldn’t walk through Zheng’s left & was badly wobbled by it there was only one winner.

Why did he come in so low on weight for this flight? And then not take advantage of it by moving about and boxing instead of standing in front and expecting to just take the shots from a heavier opponent and still win? Strange?!

A few days ago most people was saying Joyce third best heavyweight in the world now everyone slagging him off I’m not he will Come back stronger new trainer needed for rematch tho come on joe show the doubters lad 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👊🏻

Normal service will be resumed in the rematch.

As long as AJ has the intelligence to avoid Wilder’s big right hand he should outbox Wilder comfortably

At 37 he has no time for other fights

Why is everyone so surprised at Joyce's performance? He's a walking punch bag who should never face a puncher or skillful jabber

I never rate "tough" fighters. Being tough at the elite level gets people far, then it gets them hurt.

No one’s fighting each other after fury wilder that’s it fury run from usyk at least Joyce had a go with this bloke sad really there should be a heavyweight tournament to sort this out

He can’t expect to stop all opponents punches with his head and get away with it his whole career he’s now fighting at the top level and these guys can bang ..if he can’t learn to move his head he should learn to keep his guard up

Joe is just a slow-motion boxer 😂

Joe simply underestimated his opponent.

This “build your confidence back up” bollocks, no you lost you just crack on, it’s HW boxing you win some you lose some.

Zhang's clearly the more rounded fighter and a rematch will end the same way. Speed always beat's strength

I thought he looked nervous in some interviews before the fight, but thought i was just imagining it,think he was nervous cos zhang is huge like himself n also nervous cos hed been given word that if he wins that fight tyson is next, the mental pressure got to him as a result imo, didnt lose solely cos of that tho, he needed a bit of luck n got bad luck instead, not his night at all imo.

Was Joe Joyce's training before this fight focused on fighting a south paw? Joyce appeared absolutely cluless in dealing with Zhang's left shots.

Kept on getting caught at will with the same shot through the contest. Like c’mon man ffs make slight adjustment or a plan B

I like Joe Joyce who is a very good fighter but I didn't get on the hype train of him being top 3 or even top 5. Good win against Dubois but Dubois was the ultimate hype job who's been exposed. An all action war against a super shopworn Parker and suddenly everyone saying JJ beats AJ And Wilder easy. He has a great chin and it didn't let him down yesterday but he takes way too many shots. Zhang is a huge hitter. AJ a big hitter and don't even get is started on wilder ..

It's almost like he fought a decent southpaw HW who can bang and didn't just stand there and let him get into the fight. Joyce has always been limited, and whilst his toughness carried him through the amateurs and early pro ranks, it isn't going to serve him against proper heavyweight fighters. He's going to get seriously hurt unless he starts focusing on how to defend punches and move his head.

I don't care how good you are in boxing you can't and won't walk everyone down at some point you come to someone who will outbox you all night hence Usyk v Joshua

Tactic is tactic, no boxer will open up his arms and let his eye be hit repeatedly. Zhang's jab and punch are just too fast and powerful for Joyce.

Salis isn't a HW trainer. He's too midget. Made Joe cut all that weight which was nuts ! He did the same to Haye in the Bellew rematch. Joe lost his punch resistance and, he looked tired and drained. No energy

Definitely not the same fighter looked like he didn't want to be there for some reason?

Don't spend five hours getting your hair done.

I'm just glad Joyce fought an older, slower, stiffer version of the guy AJ walked through 11 years ago. Could have got really hurt fighting any of the top guys. That orbital bone guard style is not going to bode well for him, can't defend every straight left and left hook with your face like that

joe should consider a new trainer a fresh start

Joyce was very static? That has always been his style, walk forward and let his chin take the shots

That guy will beat Joyce again.

They hate on new faces or races entering the sport with a bang!

Slow Joyce has no punching power. They're just taps. Zhang will just do the same. Doesn't deserve a rematch.

Zhang was also faster to the punch.

Not a good performance by Joyce. He got caught with massive shots that rocked him as early as the first round, but apparently couldn’t figure out that you’re supposed to DUCK those shots. Instead, he continued to keep his head as still as possible so that Zhang could keep on hitting him again and again. If he doesn’t learn to MOVE HIS HEAD he’s finished at this level. It’s a fundamental thing in boxing. Hit but DONT GET HIT. Also Joyce never landed a big shot on Zhang the whole fight.

Started too slow and let the monster out

Someone was going to do this to him some day he's no movement him and AJ need to work on there head and feet movement someone teach them how to move from side to side bobbing and weaving basic stuff.

British media will hype you to your downfall.....Instead of to stay humble and work on himself, he's there calling for Anthony Joshua.....He got flattened like the own goal Maguire always give us

He wasn't going to walk Zhang down he's massive Joyce looked noticeably smaller in the ring .

Regardless of Joyces bone density and not getting dropped, getting hit over and over by a big 18st dude is going to mess your face right up all the muscle and blood vessels in the face get inflammation. The defense was porous I think the head being on center line constantly isn't ideal against a southpaw either.

Looks like Joe has got a touch of the Anthony Joshua's 😅

That's how Joyce always fights, he only knows one way. He's just never been in with anyone before who hits so hard.

Why are people shocked by Joyce's performance. Joe has always led with his face in constant contact with his opponents fist? All people have to do is to examine his previous fights to see 👀. Joyce is big, strong with great stamina but very little balance and technique.

Ali once called George Foreman the mummy, Joe Joyce last night was that mummy, terrible, add, Foreman would have levelled the two of those in that ring last night.

Joe "The Robot" Joyce

Questions raised from this fight... Was the Parker performance misleading and more to do with Parker's decline? Does Joyce's style of walking opponents down only work against smaller opponents? Are we just underestimating Zhang and Joyce just got beat by a better fighter?

Joyce has a granite chin that has served him SO well he obviously was over confident .

Joyce was practicing blocking punches with his face

The Camp from USA must have had a negative impact 😢on Joyce performance against Zhag 😢he probably go back to his old camp and take the rematch or avoid Zhag for good

Bring in the war chisora