The most intelligent thing he said "the 1st time someone experiences that, shouldn't be in a combat zone". All stressful military training is designed to teach you how to think clearly in a combat zone when all is chaos.
In WW2 the men who populated the 1st Special Service Force were put through live fire water landings with machine guns firing over their heads by inches and mortars raining down all around them. Some died, but they were prepared for reality and did their job impeccably.
Guess we should also shoot soldiers in the leg and expose them to shrapnel? Nerve gas? Maybe force them to watch a friend get blown up? Aren't all of these things far more likely in combat than facing an enemy spraying you in the face with an irritant while you're unaware and not donning a mask?
I remember being in the "confidence chamber" and one of the recruits says "I can't breathe" and our DI says "If you can talk, you breathe dumbass!" We all ended up being fine.
That’s what my brother used to tell me when we’d wrestle and he was pinning/choking me lol, I can’t imagine _actually_ fighting for air tho, that shit has gotta be pretty scary. Props man
Navy Shellback here. I went in the gas chamber with a bad cold, and came out clear as a bell. It was the funniest thing, seeing all the suffering, but we all laughed about it after the pain stopped. It may look horrible but it serves a purpose. I'm happy to have gone through this as well as WOG Day.
I remember being sick all of basic and when we finally got to the Gas Chamber our RDC's singled me out and said "this recruit will no longer be able to milk SIQ". Anyone who has been SIQ knows it blows dick so the entire division had to hide their laughter. Awesome times man. Thanks for signing up bro.
I joined the Air Force in 2001 right before 9/11 and yes, everyone goes through the gas thing. It's too demonstrate how your MOPP gear works, and you need to know in a non- combat situation how to respond. The principle is practice will give you an advantage in responding. But in reality it was only one time for me, and MOPP exercises were rare, even with threats of biological weapons and such.
As a formerly enlisted United States Marine, I can PROMISE you, the HIGHLIGHTS of my career were the annual CS gas training. It SUCKS, yes, but if you can accept this fact, keep you wits, and watch everyone else, you will see some of the funniest shit EVER from seemingly normal adults.
Some of the best days, were gas days , i always front of the line that shit , get it over with and then watch everyone else have fun haha one time our instructor put in too many tablets and we couldnt see the guy next to you , all of a sudden POOF a Sarg just appears hahaha best job i ever had
The hardest part about the military is convincing yourself to join in the first place. I was merely a Ranger, but 30 years later, I still appreciate every bite of food, every minute of sleep and every second of the day that I'm warm.
That's what's amusing. 10 people in 60/70 years of severe training. That's pretty fucking impressive. I think almost all training done by special ops(once training is completed) is classified as "death is imminent". Source is Jake zweig navy seal video.
Actually, I remember the US Army was losing more guys due to training accidents in the 90’s, around 1k a year, than the entire military lost during the global war on terror.
there are also a shitton more people that go to disney world /land than go to seal training. i wonder what it would be as a percentage. guarantee you the seals would have a higher percentage of deaths. i do however believe that they shouldnt change the training. because if you are in hostile territory, those people shooting at you wont be using b b guns. you should be as ready for all situations as possible. preparedness translates to survive-ability.
I disagree. For no reason whatsoever. Haven't done my training yet so I'm an asshole. After my training I'll come back and edit my comment, full of shame.
Yes, Air Force makes you do the gas in basic training. They made us do jumping jacks to force us to breathe and then recite stuff. They wouldn't let us leave the room until we finished. It's not "difficult," it's intimidating. And afterward, it's hilarious to look back on. I love how much it cleared my sinuses out.
I had to say my name and hometown and jacked that up pretty bad and had to stay in the room a little longer. Great PT after that and I would absolutely do it again
Dude, some motherfucker was started the pink eye spread in basic. I was NOT going to go back to the gas course on my own, so I didn't raise my hand.........cleared it right up! Lol
Right like would they rather have their first experience dealing with gas out on the field where they’d literally be sitting ducks ?? Like think logically
I remember from a German officer memoir that he basically said 1 death in training will save a 100 lives in battle. Combat is a life or death experience and to be the best and get as many soldiers home as possible, training must be have an inherent danger to it.
But killing your soldiers or giving them long term brain damage is detrimental. No one wants seal training to be easy, but why intentionally fuck them over and harm them lol.
The way this tear gas training was done is not the normal type, and is not even realistic. I've been through that and it's done completely differently. Why do you want people to lie down in a group and get washed from point blank?
Here in Finland, I wasn't even in high-level military training and we went through similar tear gas training.. there was only one option and that was to DO IT. just do it and cry after, if you feel like it. we actually went one of those huge tents and that was full of tear gas and that shit was awful.. and if I remember right now our military started to do training with mustard gas too
Not even just high level military, I was in the British Army, Royal Engineers. As standard in basic training all units did this. Nobody had any qualms with doing this that I knew of, I bet it's not the recruits themselves complaining about this.
In Navy bootcamp, I forgot to grab the filter for my gas mask during a training exercise. My RDC saw that I fucked up and put me at the back of the gas room about 6 rows deep. I had to wait my turn to leave breathing in tear gas until it was finally my turn to leave. The RDC said, “Fucking pay attention to detail before you get out in the fleet and get yourself killed.” I still think of that whenever I catch myself not paying attention to the task at had. All men need to go through some kind of group training but sadly the country thinks young men need to be soft.
@@koleethan not all tools need the same processing. But would you ever want to use a weak tool? A hammer that couldn’t hammer a nail? A cheap can opener that can’t open? This is military training.
What amazes me is when conservatives are surprised about what’s happening in our country. Do you think the people who destroy our country do it accidentally? Do you think the softening of the military is coming from a good place from the people who are doing it? The destruction of our country has been happening for a very long time and you’ve always sat by and allowed it to happen, merely making fun of the libtards as they actually take positions of power and walk all over you in the real world. This country is the spreader of Neo Liberalism throughout the world, it has truly become the Great Satan, yet you still sit back and pretend like things aren’t that bad or that if you just vote Republican one more time that it might actually do something. All of our embassies have rainbow and BLM flags hanging for all to see, this country literally bombs other countries for not being gay or Liberal enough, if a country goes out side the Neo Liberal globo homo order, we sanction them or bomb them into oblivion for not being “democratic” enough. This country is going to fall soon and the world will be a much better place because of it.
As a marine myself I actually really appreciate the CS training for that very reason and it teaches to keep your emotions at bay and focus on the mission at hand. And to also trust your gear because it works
Shoot, I remember getting PT'd in CS gas, lol. They'd make us do side straddle hops, take off the mask, do some pushups, put it back on, hop some more. Snot would be swayin' from our faces, we'd be coughing, laughing... good times, mate.
I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to understand that you want your soldiers ready for anything, which means you have to train them to keep their head in any situation, no matter how terrible or life threatening it may be. It's called war.
Have you seen the video? It seemed like an excessive amount of gas for a training regime. I have no military experience, but I think the amount of gas used should be consistent among all groups that go through the program
@@yawns3004 being tough on someone in training, is actually a way of making things easier on them when they're in combat. i'd definitely prefer that than the other way around
@@yawns3004 lmao it’s not even. It’s like 10 minutes of uncomfortableness in total. Oc spray directly to the eyes was 10 times worse. We have a soft society. Don’t be one of those people
I’ve been exposed to CS multiple times, in both military and law enforcement training settings. I honestly felt nothing worse than some minor involuntary coughing, even whilst a few people next to me vomited uncontrollably. Same thing with pepper spray- some people freaked out hysterically and panicked like headless chickens, whilst some of us barely even winced or complained. Different humans can react wildly differently to the very exact same stimuli. The thing that you watch and think may be brutal, inhumane, and unspeakable torture for all human beings may be nothing but a minor inconvenience for someone else.
I have a couple SEAL buddies and from what I hear it’s way more intense during BUDs that it is in Army basic. In basic you basically have to yell out a couple bits of your info and then you’re out. My buddy told me they basically had to stand in a circle and take a whole 6 pack to the face without moving out of the circle. Which definitely sounds a whole lot more tough, lmao.
Same with me. I saw almost everyone have extremely different reactions to the gas chamber in boot camp. I was lucky, it didn’t do much to me, and I was in the back in the last line to unmask. But I saw people take one breath and collapse entirely.
I was a USAF Pararescueman for 10 years-Andy trained me on several occasions. Incredible human being. PS - we do get gassed in USAF Basic Military Training.
I also went through the gas chamber in 2010 and was a tech school instructor for a few years. There was a point between 2018 and 2021 where they stopped doing it according to some of my students. Damn shame!
Im not a military man myself, but Ill say this. The training that these people go through, especially an elite team such as the seals, or something equivalent to that, should be crazy hard, should look insane to non military personnel, should be brutal. The men and women that sign up for this, go through it all, and come out the other side are the people I want fighting for us and our freedoms.
Ye except not the women. I'd legit rather an army of all untrained men than an army of all trained women. You can't win a war if females are coming home in body bags.
That's interesting about the young man dying from pneumonia after hell week. When I was in boot camp in the Army, during phase 2, we were maybe about a month or two away from graduating. I came down with pneumonia. Now it seemed like it happened all of a sudden, but thinking back I realized I wasn't getting enough sleep to recover each night, I was out in the sun or rain or cold all day, and night. The only symptoms I had was being extremely tired to where I would fall asleep almost standing up, along with no energy and a headache. Once we got back from (field training) FTX training for 4 or 5 days straight. I ran straight to the barracks bathroom and was with a few battle buddies chatting and all of a sudden I felt a strong cough and proceeded to cough over and over from my lungs. Everyone came up to me asking if I was okay, I said "I'm not sure..." next thing I know I'm coughing into the sink and I saw a LOT of blood which I was coughing up into the sink for like a good 30 seconds. One of the guys said "hey man, this is serious you need to ask the drill Sgt to go to sick call cause if you keep going to might die." I agreed it all hit me at once and could barely walk it took two soldiers to help escort me to the drill Sgt office. We explained the situation he said "why are you still here? Hurry up and go!" Once I got there they immediately took me back because they had to get be a bucket due to me puking up so much blood. Once that took me back into the room I had a 2 nurses and a doctor asking me what had happened and such. This was the time when I started falling in and out of consciousness, and I remember them telling me "we need to transport you to an off-base hospital because your condition is too severe for us to treat here." That scared me. So once the ambulance got there I was in the back strapped down still in my uniform with a bucket puking blood still. I got to the hospital over an hour later and all I could hear during the times I was awake were the nurses and doctors talking about how serious my condition was and that I might not make it. They came and asked if there was any family I would like for them to call for me. To make this long story short they had me on an oxygen mask for most of the day, and started IV antibiotics. Strong ones. Two days later I was for the most part awake and alert and feeling much better. They had me start walking slowly around the hospital around my floor to get some exercise back. I was in there a total of 5 days. The doctor came and said to me near the end "honestly, we thought we were going to lose you because of how serious your condition was. You are very very lucky." She also showed me the X-rays they took when I first came in and my whole left lung had a giant white blob she said that was where the pneumonia was and it was spreading. They took X-rays again around day 4 and it seemed it was just a out completely gone. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE NOVEL YALL I just thought it would be relevant to hear my story along with this one. Thanks for reading.
Keep in mind I was in full battle rattle. Kevlar helmet, plate carrier with plates, my sidearm on my hip, my M4 rifle with no sling, and the LBV (sp?) Vest I think its called with a full canteen of water, and last but not least my rucksack which weighed at least 40 pounds. Probably more like 60+
In case anyone is wondering. On day 5 I got my discharge papers from the hospital and my drill Sgt came to get me from the hospital. He asked me if I was feeling better enough to continue training since we were SO CLOSE to graduation. I joined as OSUT, which is boot camp followed by your job training all rolled into one. So yeah basically about 5 odd months of basic/AIT. Oh yeah with less than 2 months left I did not want to just give up at that point and get recycled or get a discharge without a completion. Luckily the time I spent in the hospital from my last PT test to the one that we took while I was in the hospital my scores were high enough to pass the 1 that they took while I was in the hospital so they just took my PT scores from the last test and rolled it over to this 1 and they let me continue until I graduated eventually I am so glad that I stuck it out after I got out of the hospital and didn't just decide to quit or go home Because you can never replace that feeling of when you truly accomplish something great like a great feat that truly not a lot of people can say they have done and I feel proud of myself because I learned a lot about myself throughout those 5 some months. I learned my limitations, my weaknesses, as well as my strengths. I'm very grateful for the opportunity I had and I took it and ran with it and I suggest anyone else in the same situation or similar situation do the same. Maybe even do some program similar to that cause I understand qualms about working for US government, but there's other things out there that can teach you very similar things. I cannot even list all of the things I learned over my time being there. I see them more as skills because I will at times find myself being a Mcguyver of some sort, but making things work temporarily. As well as learning some Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, how to properly and safely handle multiple sizes and types of firearms, learning how to fix jams while firing, and also cleaning said weapons. I learned loads more confidence about myself as well as to stick up for myself. (More stories about that... I have dozens guys...just ask)
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Respect to the youngsters in the military but no one in the US military has ever fought for our freedoms. We actually lost many of our freedoms during these Middle East (very profitable) endless wars.
I went through army BASIC in 1999. We all got gassed, it sucks. It's supposed to suck. And all the Drill Sergeants that weren't in the chamber with us, stood outside and laughed at us as we cried, coughed and dry heaved for the next 10 minutes.
@@WishMount really? Because when the Army did it to me I got permanent lung damage and a lifetime disability rating. Going into a gas chamber, forcing SOME exposure... that's doctrine... that's training. Jamming billowing clouds of a chlorine based gas known to cause lung conditions into the faces of unprepared trainees is not. One thing neither of these guys mentioned is to get referred to BUDS you have to have already gone through basic training. So the trainees in that video have ALREADY done their CS Gas training. So what exactly is the point of the BUDS instructors making them do it again in such an improper manner?
In the British military CS is used to give everyone confidence that their respirator (gas mask) works and they have a proper seal around their face. It is also used to ensure that when you conduct certain drills like changing canisters or eating and drinking are done correctly. We think it hysterical watching others go through the gas chamber, there is nothing brutal about it, just pretty unpleasant. And we don’t have the option of quitting during this, you are doing it or you’re on a charge.
Exactly this! Our drill sergeants told us it was to instill confidence in your pro mask. I was exposed to CS ONCE in basic training. Never again did I take my mask off when we did gas training.
US Air Force does the same, we were in the gas chamber doing PT in full MOPP gear, then we had to take off the mask, and give a reporting statement. We definitely gained an appreciation for the MOPP gear and the value of donning it correctly.
(Navy Boot Camp) I knew about a week in advance so I prepared by holding my breath for as long as I could while we marched and got used to exhaling as slowly as possible too. When the day came I could look and move normally without my not-breathing being noticed. I felt sorry for the guys that really had to go through it but for me it was a breeze.
My papa had to go through this when he was in basic training. He told me how awful it was and also how he felt a lot more prepared for what he faced in Korea and Vietnam. If I were in the military and I were going into combat, I would want to know what to expect and to be prepared for it to the fullest extent.
I went thru basic & AIT: MP school. 1989. I thought Basic was tough but nothing close to any tier 1, Green Team, Para Rescue, SF(Q course). We started with around 48 E-1 troops. Our platoon ended with about 40. MP school was more class, academics 🎓. Some MP students could not hack that.
95, both CS and Pepper Spray... Found out that you can function through both, but pepper spray is far worse than CS (for me at least) 4N051 / IDEMT, Bosnia
I enlisted in the Air Force in 2006 and it was the best worst decision of my life. We did get gassed and the training and experiences in security forces taught me a lot. It also opened my eyes to how dumb a lot of normal people are and they will argue to the death how things will be and how they should be without even understanding. I even had a kid once yell at me trying to tell me what basic training REALLY is without ever going through it hinself.....
Yeah in war youre being tear gassed and singing all the time dumbass. Did not happen a single time, willing to bet. Plus chair force lmao, yall had tents while everyone else gets to sleep in holes.
I went through CS gas training in basic training in Ft, LeonardWood , let me tell you when we took off our gas mask we could not breathe, one guy literally passed out I needed to drag him out of the room, it took me about 15 or 20 minutes to recover, it burned like hell. It was to show you your mask does protect you, and it does.
In 1966 in USMC boot camp we had to take off our masks and sing the Marine Corps Hymn and if anybody f’d up the lyrics we had to start again. It’s amazing how well one’s memory and discipline works under duress if the training prepares one for the worst.
As a Cavalry Scout, I was extremely happy with the way my mind and body reacted when faced with direct and indirect fire being thrown my way. The training we went through taught us what to do, and somewhat, what to expect. BTW I went into that CS chamber 10 times in 4 years, and my last 2 years were pretty much spent overseas. In OSUT we had to sing the Army Song before we could leave it, and there was a big tree outside the exit that would wreck you If your eyes weren't open. "My eyes are open and my arms are flapping."
Former Marine here. CS gas in basic was fun. We all laughed our asses off after it was done. Maybe not fun while it was happening but hilarious to reflect on it. Our snot was hanging all the way to the floor. That being said, no one should die from pneumonia during training. There should always be medical assessments done. That’s coming as a family nurse practitioner. You can have both safety and incredible training.
Given that this is incredibly rare, to say the least, I'd say the entire situation was a huge exception. You HAVE to do everything in your power to make sure the training is as realistic as the lethal scenarios you're facing. They're training these guys for combat, and all the circumstances that they could potentially encounter (that includes diseases infested 3rd world countries). They don't inject soldiers with pneumonia, then dunk them in a tank of nerve gas, while telling them to "suck it up!"...which is damn-near how you're making it sound. What would you be saying had this guy died of the exact same causes in combat in the desert??? What would you say if the guy was attacked by a great white off the shore of SoCal while training in underwater demolition? Would you say they should ditch the scuba training, and go through the motions on dry land???? Pampering soldiers who's mommy and daddy's might be working in the medical field probably isn't a real good way to get our *ELITE* soldiers "combat ready", dude. Our military is already made up of a bunch of woke, over-weight, p**sies, that signed up for the handouts that go along with being in the military. If this training isn't potentially lethal, then it's pointless. The U.S. military is weak enough right now with all the other left-wing problems we're experiencing, without nerph-ing the training.
@@phillamoore157 when I was in basic I had viral pneumonia and only after I passed out on the parade deck did they send me to sick bay the next morning. Got 3 days light duty and was in the swim tank on Thursday with one day to qualify or get dropped. I made it and got first qualification on the next day. But that made me know I can take anything that came my way. Given that all of us going in are young and in incredible shape it’s rare anyone dies.
I went through in the winter.... ARMY,...we marched by the gas chamber every day for weeks heading out to the ranges, seeing the ever growing piles of green and yellow snot in the snow,. knowing that we would be going through it soon. Fun times.
PA here, the safety here was illusional. if you watch the video, they cant even see the recruits underneath the smoke, is anyone passed out? Aspirating Vomit? One recruit just did the other day from bacterial pneumonia.The execution of this exercise was grab ass at best.
It’s hard enough to prepare for what the enemy may have in store for you. So to train for any possible threat you may encounter in order to achieve your objectives seems logical.
The issue is the military doesn't say that. If they just came out and said "this is necessary training" it'd be find. Andy's point at the end is the exact reason this shit happens today, we were so tight lipped about everything related to the military that people began to distrust it, so now we're open and transparent trying to build back trust (since you know, drone strikes, black sites ext so on.) but instead of just saying "we want them to understand that their gas masks work and the only way to do that is to have them stand in CS gas with it on, see that they're fine and then take it off and see that they aren't fine" way more people would understand that than wouldn't. You have to expect this level of scrutiny when you account for roughly 45% of all federal expenditure, as well as a 20 year war, it would be idiotic if we had any less oversite, and we've all seen what happens when you let guys police themselves.
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When my best friend went through basic training in 2005, They sent him home from basic training with a video of him getting gassed so he could show his family.
Imagine the first time you experience gas was on the battlefield. You'd be panicking trying to breathe giving you and your squad's location away. It could literally be the determining factor of a battle.
Joined USAF in 2011 and yes they made us go through the gas chamber. However, if the chamber is under maintenance, there is a chance that a Flight may not have to go through it during BMT. And yes, the chamber sucked. You never realize how much mucus the body creates until you go through that.
Please. I went through this in basic Army training in the 80s. Everyone made it through. It’s an experience to impact you to let you know how important it is to wear your protective gas gear.
I am in the Army Guard and we get gas chambered once a year. Unless we find a means to sneak out of it. To us, CS gas is funny because it sucks but isn't really dangerous and it is impartial. The first time I experienced CS was a nightmare but honestly the standing outside in the freezing cold for 8 hours before we made it into the chamber was worse than the CS by far.
Even I went through that as a Navy recruit in 2000. No big deal it was over in 20 minutes, it sucked yes but it shows the importance of your gas mask. As a matter of fact that day was better than most of the other days because that was something different and interesting. Also my recruit class was coed and still everyone passed that evolution.
What I learned from CS exposure in the military is how important my mask is, and how important getting it on and ensuring the proper fit. Especially when you think about CS gas as a walk in the park compared to what you can face in combat.
My experience with CS Gas in Basic Training was great. I have terrible seasonal allergies and after exiting the Hut all the snot ran out of my head and I hadn't felt better. Honestly it did suck, but the after effects were great.
The thing one of them says at the end about transparency, “there should be public trust that we’re doing the right thing”, the rubbed me very much the wrong way. It’s demonstrated over and over throughout history that given power with no oversight it’s literally just a matter of time before it’s abused.
Yeah I’d say pool comp sounds a bit more difficult from what I’ve heard, and that’s without even considering SERE which is after you’re done with BUDs, lmao.
Along with first exposure, this training also teaches you the importance of your mask and how it will save your life. I shaved the morning before being gassed and it burns any open wounds but with the mask on and cleared properly you realize you will live.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself. It is important that as you do you practice forgiveness. It’s an important part of what Jesus Christ taught that too many people forget. The process of genuinely meaning to forgive within your heart is the key that makes everything click. Start with your parents. They’re supposed to be the easiest, having loved you. There’s deep spiritual significance in that relationship to God. Looking inside to deal with your inner baggage and grow, that’s what shows the faith you need. Afterwards, break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness. Simply bare your soul in prayer. Take down those walls you’ve built up between you and God. Please, trust me. The Bible is truth. It’s just that you’ve got to take it seriously enough to do what Jesus Christ taught as an adult. Please, take your salvation seriously. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
@@jamesmayle3787 Look, I have my own issues with religion, that being said not everyone deserves forgiveness, not even parents. I've spent my whole life from childhood to present day taking care of my family, especially my parents and I have nothing to show for it. I don't remember ever having a childhood or being happy, I've suffered mentally physically and socially, and nothing has changed. As a freind of mine has said, "Some parents don't deserve the love of their children". Forgiveness isn't universal, it's predicated under the hope that the person your forgiving will change, most people don't. Family isn't everything, and in my opinion, the Bible and God isn't everything either. Please don't spout forgiveness for everyone because I've been following that mentality my whole life and I've experienced nothing but suffering from it.
I did a normal boot camp for my normal conscription in my normal European country and we did a CS drill in a bunker. It was not voluntary, it was mandatory. Fun fact, a small percentage of the population is almost immune to CS. Two lads did everything the mask-clad command demanded, then sang and did pushups until command got bored and cut them loose. If only I was as fortunate. It sucked balls but now I know how it feels.
Before the Iraq war 95% of the population did give them that level of trust. Thats why so many supported the war without knowing the exact reason for it. They blew that trust, not just with Iraq but how involved they got with Trump and every anti-establishment politician. Now 50% of the population sees them as the least trustworthy people on earth
I think Joe is well past questioning the see-eye-a about their tactics and behavior. On a real level. We're a solid 5 -6yrs past the point of him questioning/speaking against the system in a legit way. Goes back before the Bob Lazar podcast. I think it goes back to the first Mike Baker interview.
When I went through the police academy circa 1988, we were exposed to CN and CS. Each cadet had to state their name, SSN etc. It was good, as Andy said, you don't want to be exposed for the first time, during a real world situation. People panic, and think they are dying, and you having the prior experience with the chemical is an advantage.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself. It is important that as you do you practice forgiveness. It’s an important part of what Jesus Christ taught that too many people forget. The process of genuinely meaning to forgive within your heart is the key that makes everything click. Start with your parents. They’re supposed to be the easiest, having loved you. There’s deep spiritual significance in that relationship to God. Looking inside to deal with your inner baggage and grow, that’s what shows the faith you need. Afterwards, break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness. Simply bare your soul in prayer. Take down those walls you’ve built up between you and God. Please, trust me. The Bible is truth. It’s just that you’ve got to take it seriously enough to do what Jesus Christ taught as an adult. Please, take your salvation seriously. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Combat training at the elite level should have a goal of achieving 90% of what actual combat conditions will be like. It's an old saying, often misused, but still very true - "You fight like you train". Soft training produces soft warriors.
in our history, we've had several times when our troops weren't trained before battle and took terrible losses as a result, Korean war was perfect example --first 6 months was awful
I’m 22 a marine infantry combat veteran. I was deployed to Afghanistan 2x toward the end 2019-2020 people are soft and have no idea or understanding of what goes on.
@@strategygaming5830correction, a quarter of their cause is to project the appearance of “supporting veterans” same with guns, another 1/4 is selling coffee and the last quarter is supporting politicians that undermine veterans and the 2nd amendment.
Right, like I'll give them that exposure to CS gas and other harmful substances found on a modern battlefield is important during training. Given the argument made in the video, idk if any sane person would oppose that. But to be told that these institutions just deserve blind faith? That's a fucking joke.
In the coast guard in early 90s we had this training. All ships on east coast went through a yearly refresher training in guantonamo Bay. ALL personal regardless of rank Went into a fourth yard container over (100 degrees mid July when I did it) gasz was released we had 30 se ones to dawn our masks, we kept them on for 1minute, took them off for 90 seconds (so we would not be able to hold our breath), 30 seconds to get mask back on, 1 minute more with masks on. 5 minutes total to pass. It taught us that as much as that sucked, we could deal with it of need be. Better to have the experience and confidence that we could survive in that situation, than running out of a gassed building or ship compartment into a hail of gunfire in a real life combat situation. Anyone who can not under this is completely irrational
How can you have confidence and efficiency in your equipment in battle if you haven’t tried it yet ? The gas chamber is a good day compared to other training days.
The kid who died in Seal training lives 15 houses down from mine and went to my high school. Awesome kid. They need to keep the training as hard as possible but also need to monitor the seal candidates much better. If someone's on the verge of death, they should not be training
Went through the CS chamber as a New Cadet at West Point. The dude next to me was jumping up and down screaming that he was going to die lol. Everyone ends up being fine, it sucks, but it's supposed to and it shows you the importance of your pro mask.
I'm reading David Goggins' book and he wrote about his BUD/S training and the Hell Week. I think it's crazy and fascinating at the same time. What the SEALs go through seems impossible, and yet it's amazing that some of them made it.
@@missireason8998 All of the veterans I've seen online talk about their service have been careful not to release TTPs (Tactics, Techniques, Procedures) just in case for any enemy combatants listening. Beyond TTPs, for an enemy combatant listening to content like this, they don't gain much of a tactical advantage from videos like this beyond getting a surface level understanding of many training evolutions our operators go through that many enemy combatants are unwilling to go through themselves. Plus, content with veterans online can attract more people to enlist, which almost certainly outweighs any benefit enemy combatants can gain from watching podcasts like this.
Training has definitely changed, when we picked up my brother and sister from booth camp graduation they looked like they were put through the ringer. Picked up my BIL a few years ago and it was a night and day difference. You could visibly tell a difference in their physical and mental demenor. Still though can't imagine going through that type of training. Our military men and women are on another level mentally.
I was in the Royal Air Force (UK) for almost 13 years. We were gassed in basic training for NBC training. Then annually, along with annual weapons and first aid training. It's not an issue. It ain't pleasant but, it's part of training. It's that simple and if civilians have an issue, I suggest they wind their necks in and go watch Netflix or something else to return them to their bubble...
Gee it’s horrendous for five minutes. When I ran an arms room at Ft McLellen, AL , the drill Sargents filmed this all the time. Before the internet ever existed , so it was never aired, but these assholes would just laugh and laugh at these poor soldiers. I was the only non Drill sergeant. After that they couldn’t return any weapons to my arms room with out strict cleanliness inspection. Takes forever. Screw the DS’s.
I was 16 when I first had the pleasure of being CS gassed for NBC training at a Junior military college in the UK. It was one of my favourite classes, the training staff made us sing the National anthem and ball room dance before they would let us out 😂
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It's interesting that people are freaking out about this situation, I remember watching a documentary type of thing back in the 80s about basic training and the chamber was part of that... It didn't detour my enlistment at all. I was simply prepared for it when it happened. Not only did it teach us that our masks worked, but it showed us that it wasn't going to kill us immediately, and showed us which guys were going to freak out and which guys were going to drag your choking wreak out of the chamber while choking themselves. I found it to be very instructional. Stopping it would be a bad idea, god forbid the first time you encounter gas is in actual combat... Really bad idea.
This was one of the coolest things in basic, and it is absolutely necessary. If you tried to get out too fast, they send you back through. I had to stop, gather myself, and calm down.
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This controversy came from the death of Kyle Mullen I met Mullen in boot camp and knew this guy was dedicated the training he went through was definitely tough but it was meant to be his cause of death was pneumonia this wasn’t a training failure but a medical team failure who saw Mullen coughing up blood and didn’t have him stop training for his safety
BUDS has changed a lot since these guys went through. Candidates failing from injuries is higher than it ever has been due to shitty medical in Coronado, which is what led to the death after hell week in February. The symptoms were there and they sent him to bed and didn’t give him help he needed. Candidates are getting starting boats on heads way earlier than classes in the past because the navy thought there were too many candidates going through, so the instructors have reinforced a higher attrition. Section should be hard. It should be your right to passage, but BUDS isn’t the same it was 10-20 years ago.
@@jebstillman6775 you could look at that in an entirely different situation, because they were in a chinook. It was an extraction. Was it out in the field? Yeah. But either way, there’s way too many recruits dying. You can’t dispute that.
@@matthewsantana9472it's still wrong, roughly 80 seals died since 9/11. deaths during buds arent highter than during ranger school. last year a specialist died during swamp phase, this august two died getting hit by a tree. softening the standards is gonna do nobody a favor, this is still a elite unit.
Brutal? in the IDF we also do it in basic training. and its actually a funny ritual where your commanding staff would make you do pushups and answer stupid but funny questions while your tearing up and cant speak haha, good memories
I don’t believe anything is wrong with the training that they undergo. The only thing that is wrong and that they should modify is that they never tested for pneumonia. All that coughing and vomiting during the training and to not test for that is an oversight.
My dad was a Vietnam combat vet and I know some of the struggles he lived with for the rest of his life- that said, I have no idea what he went through and wouldn't begin to pretend that I do.
Lol.... I was in the Canadian Reserves a long time ago - and in my basic training, with a bunch of moms (yes, literally wives of Reg force members). We went through CS gas exposure training. It was freaking hilarious (and brutal). It was a crying, mucus filled mess, but to their credit, the 40+ year old moms all made it through. For those curious we first entered the CS gas training “hut” and put on our masks. The instructor then released the gas (which is invisible by the way) we were then instructed to take a deep breath, remove our masks, say out loud our name rank and SIN and then put the gas mask on, remembering to exhale the reminder air to clear the mask. If you did it right you were all good, if not you were probably running out of that hut. Before leaving the hut we all had to take the masks off and take a deep breath, open our eyes and walk out of the hut into the fresh air. Outside was just a bizarre mess of people with their arms out with snot gushing like a water fountain out of their nose. The ONLY reason for this exercise was to show people, in a controlled environment, what it’s like to be exposed to CS gas so that if you are ever exposed to it you will not be caught off guard. Even though the likelihood of a reservist needing this skill is very low it is 100% necessary if you are planning to make the military your career. Out of all the shit things I had to do in basic training I’m a bit shocked this is the one thing being exposed and called hazing.
HAH! In my basic, we all went in that hut, the gas was released. Everybody was required to take a deep breath, belt out name, rank and some other stuff. Everybody came out, sinuses flowing, eyes watering, people crying.... it was great! Honestly, best thing ever for my hay fever. Cleared me right up for a few months.
I kinda liked being gassed in the Army. I personally think it was an interesting experience I'll never forget. I hear the same experiences from people like my brother, father and personal friends as well. The thing is, I know exactly what to do and what CS gas smells and feels like now. When you're sweating you can feel you pores burning. If you do it enough, you'll actually start not to be effected by it as much.
Training is always harder than the real thing. Or at least it should be. Did a lot of stress induced training as a medic and when it was time for me to act in real life, instead of freezing I was able to perform. Muscle memory is a beautiful thing.
I was in the USAF in the early '80s. I did the gas chamber two different times. Yes, it is uncomfortable and it sucks. But, everybody did it and it was what it was. I left the training fully confident in the gear and that it would work to save my life in case of a gas attack.
The guy that died in SEAL training had an infection that caused him to drown in his own blood. He also wasn’t in a hospital it was in his barracks room. One of my former shipmates was in his class on North Island and put him to bed and when they came back to check on him he was dead.
I’ve watched many videos/ interviews lately with Navy Seals, these guys are unbelievable. Not only physical studs and mentally tough but these guys I’ve listened to are all very intelligent and articulate speakers. They ARE amazing in my book.
I also went thru Army bct and got gassed. You learn a lot about yourself in those stressful situations and your capabilities. Also the capabilities of your equipment! Using the gas mask to understand how to seal and clear is crucial training. A lot of the criticism it seems is coming from outside the military, and its irritating because there's a purpose for that training.
Just like the men in the video stated, there is a reason for every single thing that you go through in basic training, any training that is done in the military is this way!..smh..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠 P.S. thank a veteran for your FREEDOM!
The Bible is truth. Please read at least Genesis Mathew and one book of the Bible you chose yourself. It is important that as you do you practice forgiveness. It’s an important part of what Jesus Christ taught that too many people forget. The process of genuinely meaning to forgive within your heart is the key that makes everything click. Start with your parents. They’re supposed to be the easiest, having loved you. There’s deep spiritual significance in that relationship to God. Looking inside to deal with your inner baggage and grow, that’s what shows the faith you need. Afterwards, break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness. Simply bare your soul in prayer. Take down those walls you’ve built up between you and God. Please, trust me. The Bible is truth. It’s just that you’ve got to take it seriously enough to do what Jesus Christ taught as an adult. Please, take your salvation seriously. Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
We were Navy and sang the Marine Corps Hymn with CS gas. I never tried to be a SEAL but I did go through various parts of the training because I was gonna be operating with SEALs on certain missions. Surviving 3 years with them was my right of passage. I was not a SEAL . The training sucks. I got permanently disabled on training missions. But it keeps people alive in a real war!
Many people are unaware in SF, SOF units lose approx 1 member per year, every year die ☠️ in training. This includes, guns, traffic accidents, 💣, 🪂 incidents. 1 Navy SEAL said a few years ago, there is a 30% chance of death by 30yr old.
They are going to lose their minds when they find out about the being handcuffed behind your back and having your legs tied together and being thrown into a swimming pool test that they do. A lot of people panic and pass out and have to be resuscitated but it's very important to do this in a controlled environment because they can learn how to work past that panic and it ensures that if that horrible scenario happened that the seal would be less likely to panic and might be able to survive.
It’s not hard exhale all the air out of your lungs so you get to bottom of pool then push off bottom of pool hard enough to get your head out of water take big deep breathe and exhale the air out of your lungs and push off and up out of the water again just getting your head it so you can take a big breathe and repeat. It’s called drown proofing. Easier said than done though for sure.
@@tor4472I'm not a seal so I'm not pretending to know exactly but from what I understand they have to time their breaths perfectly what they do is push off with their feet from the bottom of the pool and they have to have all of the air out of their lungs when they break the water so they can get the biggest breath possible before going back under. I'm not sure if it's a timed thing or what exactly. There might be a set of handcuff keys on the bottom of the pool that you have to go down and get and unlock your handcuffs I'm not exactly sure on that though.
@@tor4472 @Tor just did a little bit of research on it there is a video that if you are interested I recommend watching but there is actually four different parts to this challenge or test. All of them you have your hands behind your back and your legs tied together the first one you have to go to the bottom and come back up for air 20 times the second one you have to float for 5 minutes. The third one is you have to swim like a dolphin back and forth across an olympic size swimming pool four times. The fourth one is you have to do a front flip underwater than a backflip underwater then swim to the bottom and pick something up with your mouth and swim back to the surface.
If you complain about CS gas leave the military. Best day of the military imo. I had a severe sinus infection, I was so jacked up going in, but I felt sooo much better after. I wish I could go back every time I get sick.
I’m a veteran. These guys are completely bias when it comes to Eddie & most of their arguments. But, BUDS is necessary. This program has made the most elite soldiers in the world. It’s not always going to be perfect.
In 2010 during basic training my buddy cheered after making it through the cs chamber. Our drill sergeant didn’t like that so he made him go in again 😂
