They never gave Pete anything to do. He clearly put real effort into his acting. It’s a shame they couldn’t find more interesting stuff for his character to do so they just wrote him off.
Well Pete did a lot, actually. He even saved Clark several times. Though Pete was right about just really being in Clark's shadow. They should have let him grow naturally as himself, instead the second sidekick.
You really felt the emotion from Sam not wanting to leave the show. He was such a pivotal part of the series and Clark's early development into a hero.
Tom said Clark can't walk through walks unlike Emily. Clark can walk through walls but unlike when Emily does it, the walls just won't be there anymore. 😂
I am just buzzing with excitement, because it's one more episode and then we'll finally get to LOIS, THE QUEEN! I've been waiting for this for 3 seasons lol, I *need* the podcast to reach the 4th season 😂
I need it to reach 5 and 6, especially how they rank things in the podcast and the shows trajectory changes after 4, it won’t be so easy to find Ryan’s favorite scene when a bunch of scenes are part of the larger stories
I loved hearing that insight from Tom about the loft scene with Clarke and Lana. I thought it was so beautifully acted by both Kristin and Tom. Kristin's reaction in that moment was so perfect and you truly felt the emotion. The relationship between Clarke and Lana (even with their will they won't they arc) gave so much heart to the show.
@@TalkVillePodcast Tell Michael I am a fan of HIS acting in everything he is in and that he is my hero in so far as his advice saved my life :) I like him, great guy, from Ireland :)
The scene with Lex saving Pete from FBI Agent Loder was a great scene. Loved how Lex told Pete that he was a good friend. Especially for Clark. I always got the sense in that moment how much Lex cared for Pete as well as Clark. Honestly makes it sadder when Lex turns later in the series.
omg yes! lol last night when I was watching it to prep for the podcast I wanted to like make a meme or something for Michael cuz he says in literally every convention and interview how it's Clark's fault Lex turns evil cuz it drove him crazy not knowing the truth! lol wanna be like SEE even Lex knew Clark shouldn't tell him 😂😂😂
and also so so heartbreaking cuz I think in retrospect S3 is the end for Lex, by S4 he's sealed his fate to be evil (even though we still have hope for him in S5) so seeing how he really was genuinely trying to be a good friend and an honest person just makes his later choices to embrace being the villain much more tragic.
I thought his thinking was a bit rigid on the scare scene to be honest though haha. Yes, low angle shots and slow zooms are classic scary camera moves - or they can also be played out if you ALWAYS do it that way. The scene was shot fine, the main problem is this was a dumb storyline and the scene was dragged out (possibly also the director's fault but not a camera problem).
Damn, I can’t believe I didn’t know about Talkville. I binged watched every Talkville episode for a week and a half straight and I’m finally caught up!! I’m so pumped to have Smallville back in my life! #alwaysholdontosmallville #handblast!
That's actually awesome haha. Now Iim just laughing at the idea of the show writing it in but still not actually filming it so it's just constant minor mentions of Wichita in the Kent house.
This episode was bittersweet, especially with this being Pete's last episode. When I first saw it I actually thought Clark would tell Lana, but to protect her he didn't. I always loved Pete on the show and I thought he was a great addition. Thanks again guys ❤️
Love this podcast and y’all. It was so sad that this was Pete’s last episode. Sam did such a great job in this role. I definitely agree with Tom about Chole being more confident. One of my favorite lines was when Pete referred to Lex as Uncle Fester. A great Adams Family reference. The line were Jonathan says that he trusts Clark’s judgement but not his own was powerful. When Chole reveals to Lex that she has the voice mail I thought that was a great scene. One thing I noticed when Emily kills her dad you see the blood, but the other guy no blood. I like how they explained the walking through walls thing. When realize that Lionel was using Lex as a pawn this whole time that was powerful. When Lex saved Pete that was a great scene. When Lex brought his father down you could definitely see the pain on his face. So many powerful performances. Best podcast ever!!
I was hoping to see Sam on as a special guest. Each character in Smallville had a special place in Clark developing into Superman. I understand why this decision had to be made but it was always nice for Clark to have a friend who KNEW his secret and he could talk to about things that he couldn't do with others.
Didn't the actor get into some legal trouble and I seem to remember reading something about him making an adult movie with a girlfriend or something? Lol
The final scene of Forsaken, the scene in which Clark is forsaken by Pete his best friend, his brother, is so beautiful, sad, deep and strongly emotional and you can see it clearly in Clark's dazed, frozen and hurt look (Tom's sad, empty eyes staring into the distance are priceless) and in Pete's intense and pained look. I always watch this scene with great emotion as I feel the same feeling of abandonment in Clark and the same conflicted pain in Pete. Hats off to Tom and Sam for their superb performance and for conveying so much emotion not only with words but especially with their eyes. With Pete's exit, another chapter of Clark's adolescence ends, opening up more and more to the difficult and painful path that Clark is facing step by step to become the greatest Superhero of all time. And furthermore, due to what happened to Pete, Clark is forced once again to give up on opening up to Lana. Thank you so much guys for another great episode of Talk Ville. I love you.❤❤❤
Great scene, perfect portrayal of saying goodbye to a friend. Its not clarks fault, its just pete couldn't handle the enormity of the secret. Pete was a great friend. Great acting Sam
Thanks for the FUN TALK VILLE! I hope Tom is feeling better! Tom, thanks A LOT for loving the scene with Jonathan & Clark in the loft! Happy to hear you guys enjoyed "Forsaken" enough! Clark is the one who is forsaken in this "penultimate" episode. Jet Sweet! Will definitely check out "Blame It On Rio" soon!
lol be prepared, it's a VERY 80s film that probably won't age well lol I haven't seen it as a grown-up so idk but will say the cast is stellar so no matter what, the performances are great. if you're a fan of the 80s (I am) then you should be good but let me know what you think! p.s. your videos always pop up on my recommended lol so cute!
I couldn't agree with you more flower this was a fun talk Ville made me laugh and cheered me I'm not well and feel like rubbish, they crack me more when they say people's names x
@@asyouwish3636 I do like the movies from the 80s, and I'm a fan of the actors, so I'm sure I will enjoy it especially since Tom said that it's really funny! I hope you enjoy them!
😂 Tom with The Indiana Jones reference killed me haha, I love how the hint at Cloning that Lex will pick up from he's Father down the road, The slow motion of Emily Getting taken care of with Water in that Fight with Clark was awesome!, Gowd That ending scene with Lionel Luthor and That Cold line talks about Judas to Lex! John Glover Brilliant!👏 and yup Sam's Final episode for this onion ninjas Amazing moment with Clark and Pete hugging Sam Jones Proformace and Tom Welling killed it!😢 In Honor of Pete "Damn Who's That?!" Thanks Guy's ❤️💙 Rose in a half for Me 🌹🤘
It was sad to see Pete leave. But his exit was powerful. Tom did an outstanding job, as always. The acting of Michael and both John's was outstanding, as well. I love the show and the podcast. Keep it up. Love you guys.
This was a great episode. I really felt that Pete was collateral damage. It felt like it was a Pete episode as well. Pete was collateral damage from his parents, Lionel's battle to figure out what is going on with Clark, and Pete not wanting to accidentally betray Clark. Sam's acting was on full display in this episode. Annette and John's acting was on point as usual and Allison's acting was great as well. I liked the special effects with the water against Emily. I had tears in my eyes when Pete said he couldn't forgive himself if he betrayed Clark's secret and how hard it was keeping that secret. Sam's goodbye scene was my favorite scene. This is a strong 1 1/2 roses episode. (I think Emily died because she "disappeared" according to Lionel.)
Both becoming nerds better late then never guys ❤ that scene between Pete and Clark at the end so good he deserved so much more he will come back in a later season episode at least that water tower scene was so good for the time🌹
Forsaken is one of those episodes that could be easily forgettable if it wasn't for those pivotal scenes with Pete leaving and Lex having Lionel arrested, which is why it's a good penultimate episode and not a sub-par one. Pete's last scene with Clark was so sad, you could tell it was hard for him but if he stayed he was terrified of accidentally slipping up. And the way he got beaten for knowing Clark's secret told him how dangerous it was. It also told Clark how dangerous it was for anyone to keep his secret, which is why he decided to not tell Lana after all. He didn't want Lana to have that burden and definitely didn't want to put her in that same kind of danger. He also took Lex's advice and decides to let her go to Paris. It was sad for Clark having two people he cares about leaving him. I get why Tom had issues with Emily Dinsmore's powers of going through walls, but I'm with Micheal, I think sometimes you gotta continue with suspension of disbelief. Especially with shows like Smallville. Not everything is going to make sense. I did like Tom's problem with the directing, as much as he respected Terrance O'Hara, it shows his knowledge of directing and how good of a director he is. I look forward to when we get to the episodes of which Tom directed.
@@joankeys1087 Fantasy with no logic at all is just random crap happening. Gotta have some consistency. Honestly they can make up any powers they want since a conceit of the show is people get powers, it was just weird they made up even more random powers for a preexisting character that nobody was that attached to in the first place.
TGI Wednesday! Can’t belive we are almost in season finale and that we are saying goodbye to our friend Pete Ross. Love you guys thank you for another amazing episode
Sigh, I hoped you guys would have Sam Jones as a guest for this one! Pete had a very emotional send off (kudos to both Sam and Tom for the acting!) and he won't be back for 3.5 years. At least call him up when TalkVille reached Hero in 2025, lol.
Even if it was just to explain away the new actress, Emily suddenly aging to an adult works well with the later plotlines involving cloning. We see early on that they can clone people and age the clones all the way to adulthood in a matter of months, so when it happens later, it makes sense.
This episode is a pivotal one and important with the departure of Pete and Sam from Smallville !❤❤ the return of Emily and overall the arrestation of Lionel !😑❤❤ Great and hilarious TalkVille, thank you so much Michael, Tom and Ryan !! 💙❤💖
8:40 Tom must be Harrison ford fan with the object reference treasure replica that Indy managed to get for at museum until Beloq got surrounded and forced too surrender it after danger to another by armed group with bow and arrows😂
Emily in Bell reve was addressed twice in the end. Chloe told Clark that she disappeared from bell reve as soon as she was admitted. Then just before Lionel was arrested Lionel and lex discussed it, Lionel said ‘they have a habit or misplacing patients’.
Anyone else find it weird that Emily is, on the one hand, emotionally and socially stunted (she can’t form normal relationships and plays ‘Tea’) but on the other hand she is savvy enough to successfully run a coffee shop and fool the patrons that she’s the new owners daughter and is able to construct an elaborate death trap room?
In the Superman comics, Pete is Clark's "Chloe" (Chloe doesn't exist in the original comics). Pete learns Clark's identity in high school and helps him, secretly, through and after finishing school. He even helps create the Justice League, eventually. I would have loved to see Pete do that on the show - help Clark make saves, etc. As much as I loved Chloe, her character was basically a mashup of comic book Pete (sidekick) and comic book Lana (high school reporter who suspects Clark is super powered). I felt sad when Sam Jones left, knowing he never got to play the sidekick role to its fullest.
RIGHT! we got an underutilized Pete, and WAY TOO MUCH Chloe. like in later seasons, there's a few random eps where her screen time is more than Clark's! 🤯 plus nearly all of her character development is a plot point for Clark or byproduct of another character's growth...sigh. . .they needed to dial her down and pass it towards Pete. or at least found a balance. idk 🤷♀️
THIS. I get shouted down so often when I put forward this angle, but the inclusion of Chloe permanently altered Pete, Lana, and Jimmy going forward. Parts of each of them was borrowed to make up Chloe.
@Melissa.Garrett wow you're right! and it was totally not worth it cuz she was horrible for majority of the series. nothing personal against the actress but if Erica had played her she DEF could have turned into Lois or even would have made sense as a side kick. but Chloe was just redundant most of the time. smh
As much I liked Allison as Chloe before (which never exist in comics) but with the news of her arrest feels altered when watching her character and facial express just odd and only what bothers me of Chloe’s later on after knowing the truth and finally supports on Clark’s side but yet with having too keep things from him of lack of principles that never had showed before and also with gaslights unfairing who can be annoying at times from in episodes
I didn't mean to make it sound like I wanted Chloe off the show. I liked her character, and as a writer, I get why they created her. A smart, spunky, cute female character is more versatile. She can be used (as she was) as the third point in a love triangle, as a damsel in distress, as a woman scorned, a woman struggling with being in the perpetual friend zone, etc, etc. I'm not begrudging them Chloe. I only meant to point out that her presence took depth away from both Pete and Lana, and it felt like Sam Jones got the raw end of that deal. There was a lot of potential for him as a character that he didn't get to play.
For a rich guy it's weird how Lionel does everything by himself. needs to talk to Chloe? he's like "I won't call, I won't send someone else to talk with her, no no... I will go to the school myself!" and he does it so many times
I think he likes to get personally involved with things and people he finds interesting (or important/dangerous to himself). He and Chloe have quite a history now. I think he must admire her resourcefulness, willingness to defy him, and occasional ruthlessness a bit, in a condescending sort of "you are somewhat more than a minor nuisance to me" way.
I think Pete had to go (unfortunately for Sam and the fans!) but Clark losing his buddy sets up the isolation and loneliness that Clark feels in future episodes. The Clark/Lex dynamic wouldn’t be as effective in showing the loss of friendship if Clark had his buddy Pete to soften the blow.
That’s an interesting point, I hadn’t thought of it in those terms before. While I’m sure there were probably practical/monetary reasons for them writing Pete out as well, it certainly did add to the idea of Clark’s isolation and his fear of everyone eventually leaving him. Very well spotted!
A good episode, changing up the relationship dynamics among all the characters. Sad goodbye to Sam Jones as Pete, who always brought heart into all the weird.
I felt bad for Sam throughout Smallville. Considering that Whitney looked like comic book Pete (and even had a relationship with Lana) you would think the creators would have combined Pete and Whitney. Of course, Sam got more seasons but without much to do. Sam himself has stories for sure. Get it?
Tom says Clark can’t pass through wall but he actually can…on an episode of Lois and Clark season 3 episode 6 Clark vibrates his molecules fast enough to phase through a glass cage similar to the one used in this episode…
I've got some help for Ryan. Lana's parents weren't divorced, they were killed in the pilot. Of course if Mr. Lang had found out that Lana was not his daughter who knows? As far as Clark and Pete always playing basketball, Kansas is one of those states like Kentucky, Indiana, and North Carolina where basketball is fully ingrained in the kids growing up. In all these states you'll find fierce loyalty to both men's and women's college basketball teams as well as hoops in rural, suburban, and urban neighborhoods. Michael should be aware of this having grown up in Indiana and having gone to Western Kentucky University.
36:13 They explain later in season 4 during Alicia's return that they kept her from using her teleportation powers to escape belle reeve by giving her a specially designed bracelet that releases trace amounts of lead into her blood stream. Assuming that emily shares the same weakness phasing through lead, I would imagine they would have implemented similar technology for her
They also mention Emily was heavily sedated. They seem to have missed the point it wasn't actually Emily who escaped, it was Lionel destroying evidence of crazy mad scientist crap he funds.
It's tough losing Sam . But, it opens up room for Erica's Lois Lane to be Clark's friend for the next few seasons before transitioning into a couple. Erica injects some much needed humor into the show and creates a fun dynamic even if the writing in season 4 isn't as strong as season 3.
🌹🌹nice podcast today! loving all of Tom's interjections lol ❤️ the basketball-blocking, his notes about building suspension... and of course the Lionel/Lex scene was so great, really strong performances. Tom's directing notes are always great and you can see it in the eps that he directs, they are really strong and jam packed w events and info and action(LOVE S7 Apocalypse among others). . . he's right that it could have been portrayed better about Emily's new phasing power - like was it new? there needed to be just a little more exposition or like Tom says just a diff/tighter way of shooting it. sidenote: awesome throwback reference to Blame it on Rio! 😃 such an 80s flick 🤣
21:30 its foreshadowing for Superman, that his destiny is to let it go and focus on himself to became what he should be, because he gonna outlive everybody, and has much greater purpose.
Loved Clark blasting down the water tower, thought it was a creative effect. But when you stop to think about it, if two people are moving at hundreds, if not thousands of miles an hour - how did the tower fall fast enough to get Emily? Gravity was working at super speed too apparently...
One of my favorite parts was Clark vs Emily at the end where they are using super Speed. I thought it was clever for Clark to use heat vision (while they were both in “Clark time”) to shoot past her to hit the water towers. This allowed water to hit Emily who doenst have super durability like Clark does.! Nice way to use other established powers!
It's generally really cool, but Emily should be long gone by the time the water tower even hits the ground considering its regular movement. It would've been better if Clark jumped to the water tower to pull it down from the front, while shooting heat vision as he jumped.
@@tornadochaser2457 like that also has a problem of Clark having his running speed to actually pass Emily to do this. (which based on the frames was shown he was pretty much the same speed as Emily). either way these are just nitpicks on a relatively cool ending.
A nuclear family refers to the model American family used in safety advertisements during the Cuban missile crisis, witch would depict both parents and children
my favorite scene was Lionel Lex Judas scene. what an ending with such beautiful music. i love, when episodes ends like that. shocking, sad or just beautiful. im soooo excited for Covenant. my alltime favorite season finale.
My favorite part of this episode was the ending scene where Lionel is arrested. Very intense scene between Lex and Lionel. Also, farewell Pete. I don’t think I became fond of his character until this podcast. So, thanks Talkville!
I'm a little surprised someone didn't point out that the water tower Clark took down with his heat vision would have to have been falling at a speed close to as fast as Clark and Emily were running in order to stop Emily dead in her tracks. Along with that, Clark's heat vision would have been having to move at a speed far greater than Emily's super speed, which is possible as seen in the episode "Heat", but it is moving so much faster here. This always bothered me and I don't know why the writers didn't think it doesn't make sense. I just can't suspend disbelieve on this one.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on season 4 episode 5, 6 and 7. Run, Transference and Jinx. There is an amazing Father, Son moment between Clark and Jonathan in Jinx.
How does no one talk about how Pete was suppose to be married to Lana Lang in the comics? Surely there would of been a lot of material there to atleast bring him back for building that storyline…wonder why the writers didn’t think this would be interesting. I hoped that when they brought Pete back in season 7 that they atleast might hint at something between him and Lana..
I wish y'all had the power to bring Smallville back to life. I grew up on it, loved it, recently rewatched it and felt so sad for the state of the entire entertainment complex.
I like that Michael has been giving the show good ratings lately, even better than Ryan. It’s a nice change, now I’m anticipating which episodes will get a heater or a bomb in the future.
Goodbye Sam Jones III 😞 I like this one. Emily is creepy, but in an entertaining way. Some great stuff with Lex and his dad. Lionel’s finally being brought to justice. I really felt for Pete man. He definitely had to carry a big burden keeping Clark’s secret. And it ultimately lead to him leaving and Clark wanting to hold back from telling Lana his secret. It’s definitely not easy being Clark and knowing his secret. I’m giving this one a rose 🌹. The season 3 finale is one of the best finale’s of the series IMO, can’t wait for next week! Talkville Rose and Bomb tracker for Season 3: Tom: Exile: 2🌹 Phoenix: 1.5🌹 Slumber: 1🌹 Perry: 2🌹 Relic: 2🌹 Magnetic: Heder Shattered: 2🌹 Asylum: 2.5🌹 Whisper: Heder Delete: Heder Hereafter: 1🌹 Velocity: Heder Obsession: 1.5🌹 Resurrection: Heder Crisis: 1🌹 Legacy: 2.5🌹 Truth: Heder Memoria: 2.5🌹 Talisman: 1.5🌹 Forsaken: 1🌹 Michael: Exile: 1.5🌹 Phoenix: 1.5🌹 Extinction: 1💣 Slumber: 0.5🌹 Perry: 2.5🌹 Relic: 1🌹 Magnetic: 0.5💣 Shattered: 2🌹 Asylum: 1.5🌹 Whisper: 0.5🌹 Delete: 1.5💣 Hereafter: 0.5🌹 Velocity: Heder Obsession: 1🌹 Resurrection: 1.5💣 Crisis: 0.5🌹 Legacy: 2🌹 Truth: 0.5🌹 Memoria: 2.5🌹 Talisman: 1🌹 Forsaken: 1.5🌹 Ryan: Exile: 2🌹 Phoenix: 1.5🌹 Extinction: Heder Slumber: Heder Perry: 2🌹 Shattered: 2🌹 Asylum: 1.5🌹 Whisper: 0.5🌹 Delete: 1💣 Hereafter: 0.5🌹 Velocity: Heder Obsession: 1.5🌹 Resurrection: 1💣 Crisis: 0.5🌹 Legacy: 1.5🌹 Truth: Heder Memoria: 2🌹 Talisman: 1.5🌹 Forsaken: 1🌹 Bryce: Relic: Heder Magnetic: 0.5🌹 Me: Exile: 2.5🌹 Phoenix: 2🌹 Extinction: 1🌹 Slumber: 1🌹 Perry: 2🌹 Relic: 1.5🌹 Magnetic: 0.5💣 Shattered: 3🌹 Asylum: 2.5🌹 Whisper: 1🌹 Delete: Heder Hereafter: 1🌹 Velocity: Heder Obsession: 2🌹 Resurrection: 0.5🌹 Crisis: 1.5🌹 Legacy: 2🌹 Truth: 1🌹 Memoria: 3🌹 Talisman: 1.5🌹 Forsaken: 1🌹
So much happened this episode. Pete’s convenient departure, and a great scene when Lex had Lionel arrested. Also, It’s fun when old characters makes a comeback to add continuity to their story. Poor Lana she has a very traumatic past, my girl never gets a break. And finally Clark decided to step up. The last interaction with Clark/Lana was heartfelt, Kristin face acting was amazing. Both are so young, in love and with the best intensions.
he just was never utilized to the character's full potential. and then they threw extra stuff on to Chloe later on, who really served her purpose by S3. sigh. . .such a shame, if the writers had just balanced those two out more it could have been amazing for them
17:02 LOLOL!! I just imagined Clark doing that in Looney Tunes fashion, just busting through and leaving a perfectly Clark-shaped hole, complete with cartoon sound effects.
Actually, there were things Pete could have been doing had he stayed. They didn't let him pursue his feelings for Chloe. In fact, once he told her, it was never brought up again. The writers even further diminished Pete in later episodes by having Clark tell Chloe multiple times that she was his best friend even though she was constantly trying to discover his secret; something Pete never did. There was even an episode where Chloe seemed disgusted that Pete knew Clark's secret before she did, essentially burying Pete's character.
Wow that time again got to love wednesday, was sad when watching this episode as knew was Pete's last scene , love this feedback got up most respect for these 3 crazy men, I so cried when Pete was saying his goodbyes to Clark wow felt the love between them and felt for Clark, was sad again as Clark lost Lana as well bless him, was so happy and proud of lex for shopping his dad in to the police but still felt for him as well as it is his dad even though he did deserve it.
