There was a girl in my school like that; technically she had two friends but thinking back I think they just pitied her because they always excused her behavior as "she's just like that".
Last night I was chatting with a friend of mine about how Elden Ring didn't even have a character as the protagonist, the Tarnished is genuinely just not even a character, and yet this game makes Tarnished look amazingly written.
Well all souls games share a narrative where your character is just some random dude or gal who gets thrown into a world they don't understand without really knowing why. Drawn by the prophecy of power and ambition in elden ring, a prophecy of repairing life in a desperate attempt in dark souls or they got thrown into a nightmare in bloodborne. It doesn't matter who your protagonist is because in the end they are still just a tool in the big game of gods. Yes you can make choices but you never know if they even matter. I personally love this style because if the protagonist doesn't have a personality the player gives it to them with their choices and the story can fully focus on other characters and worldbuilding because it doesn't have to be restrained by the character's personality. And it is true for the player too. The protagonist is a blank slate for you the player to project on which is really awesome
Literally all of the cuff's dialogue before the twist and the final boss is just him trying get Frey to stop being such a shitty person. I still don't quite understand how he's supposed to be the villain.
@@zombifiedpariah7392 what if he became a villain after being fed up from getting stuck with Frey for the whole game, I mean, I will too if I had to listen to Frey being snarky every 10 seconds
@@oniplus4545 I've seen other comments joke about that too. And yeah. I would want to destroy the world too if I had to be attached to some rude, selfish, annoying loudmouth. And since I don't give enough of a shit about this game to look up the REAL twist (seriously I only remember this game even exists because I keep getting replies on videos about it lmfao), that's just going to be my own headcanon now. Lol
The Modern AAA Game Dev’s Guide to writing a Totally Hip Character: - Swears excessively in pretty much every sentence. - Asshole towards everyone she encounters (usually until they do something that benefits them) - Shoehorned sad backstory - *qUiRkY*
"This is all YOUR fault." "Oh, and tell me how exactly this is my fault." "... Can we just NOT talk?" 10/10 on how to shift the blame to someone else illogically. What a likeable main character.
If you're going to give a character flaws you also have to counterbalance that with likeable traits as well. Save The Cat and all that. But the writers didn't even try
@@kar12894 What do you mean? Conservatives do this too. You’re just as bad as the liberals you’re making fun of by dragging politics into non-political discussions 🙄
The woman who voices the main character needs a new agent. She now has whatever tf this is, the Charlie’s angels remake, and Netflix’s Resident Evil show on her resume.
Even if they kept the "twist" of cuff betraying frey, It would have been better if he just kept his personality. Like he breaks free from her and is like "You were given a second chance to start over and you've squandered it. You don't deserve my power or to be here any longer." And then goes after her.
I'd even love it if Cuff wasn't an evil demon -- just an entity summoned by the local dude to destroy Athia and obligated by the pact to do so. This means Cuff doesn't want to destroy the world, he *has to do it* if he wants to go home. That could have been a nice parallel to Frey and her recent "I don't care if this world burns" temper tantrum.
@@BarioIDL funnily enough, it's the opposite, they put A LOT of effort in forspoken only for it to became worse than even those cheap ass, effortlessly made, no brainer, harem isekai stories where everyone is horny at the mc, at least in those shitty isekais you can ignore the mc and not get too cringed by them being snarky as fuck just to be seen as "modern" like frey does lol
@@oniplus4545 Plus those isekais also has scenes without the MC around or the MC is always with someone else who isn't a snarker. And if the MC is acting like a jerk, there are consequences for him acting that way. Like usually those scenes are super cliche (aka the tsundere using her magic on him and calling him ecchi and hentai) or are scenes that are basically "What, not hentai?" scenes. But at least those have characters you sort of care about and that are trying to be sympathetic.
So she doesn't give a shit about people who welcomed her, a complete stranger, with open arms and instead she wants to go back to new York where she's homeless, alone and has a gang after her. Makes sense.
@@Jonsoner Japanese studio worked on the gameplay, while the american studio and american writers worked on the story(check the credits), if it was japanese writers pretty sure this would have been great isekai game story wise at least
Female writers often confuse this with the idea that this is typical acceptable behavior for men to exhibit, when in reality, if any guy acted like this, they would be considered a douche or a prick and rightfully so.
Thing is, anyone that's known actual confident, secure people knows they're generally pretty chill. Snarky attitude is usually a sign of low self-esteem.
its a shame too because the voice acting is very good, with some better facial animations and writing, the dialogue and cutscenes could have been great
I would like to add how groan inducing it is that once the cuff’s true nature is revealed, he starts talking all big and domineering. It’s the most generic villain thing and honestly it would have been so much more chilling if he kept his calm, soft spoken demeanour post-turn.
Yeah, Cuff remaining his collected and polite self would fit his aesthetic a lot more. It would be even cooler if he didn't try to kill Frey and instead brushed her off as an insignificant insect or a buzzing fly. Would have shown how little he thinks of her. Also, it could be really cool if Cuff was the one to offer to transport Frey back to her world as a condescending "thanks" for liberating him and finally letting him fulfill what he was summoned for (and go back to his own dimension after he is done). He could even throw Frey's own words back at her: "Wasn't it you who said "I don't care if this world burns?", Frey? A bit too late to pretend that you care, don't you think? " For Frey, accepting the offer would mean accepting Cuff's low view of her and essentially losing to him. Meanwhile, rejecting his offer and going against the odds would have shown her growth and defiance, and that Cuff wasn't right about her.
@@pokerface4396 right! Like the fact that it doesn't fit the plot or his character is what's bothersome to me, I don't hate the generic trope of the collected character turning snarky once they become villain but it needs to make sense
They do and it ruins everything, the best characters usually start with some flaw that makes you root for them. Writers got to the point where they’re like let’s just make them totally flawed and make nobody want to root for them 😂
It's fine if the character is a literal asshole like in this game... You just need everyone around them to keep pushing their shit in until the character gets some modicum of humility from the redicule. That's literally the lesson that gets taught about hubris and narcissism. Walter White was an absolute asshole, but hating on him was the point.
@Young Archaeotech ikr this is dispicable >:( they are being so *buzzword* when they hate on this mediocre game. Only *buzzword* and *buzzword* would be so *buzzword*
Now I never grew up as an orphan abandoned in a train station - but wouldn't someone with no friends or family like Frey literally throw themselves at the opportunity to be part of a community that obviously wants her and welcomes her there? The writing in this game is so bad that when she starts trauma dumping on Auden she's basically giving her reasons why she should STAY, not leave.
They certainly would. It's a shame that while the story presents Frey as a foster home kid who had a rough life and felt abandoned, it doesn't really explore it because it would have shown Frey as vulnerable and *human*, and they can't have that.
That was my thought exactly. She's loved and accepted and supported and praised and practically worshiped and her answer is "Nah dawg, I wanna go back to my weave and die in the gutter during a gang war."
@Person Personperson it less about culture and more about survival, even if she doesnt trust/like the people in this new world surely given her powers she has a better chance at liveing and surviving in this place than squating in her old world where she struggling to survive at a basic level and where she is not accepted at all,her insisting on going back would make sense if she had family or someone waiting for her but she doesnt and her cat most likely is better off now than hè was with her
The gameplay and narrative of the original trilogy at least doesn't try to paint Kratos as a saint or someone to sympathize with. Through gameplay and dialogue we get a sense of who the guy is. A blood thirsty spartan with a HINT of a code and is also self destructive. This game not only expects you to stick with a character who is constantly rude to everyone around her, but wants to pull the sympathy card to try and pull at your heartstrings despite her earlier words and actions. Guess what? Doesn't work. XD
It's a weird trend with lots of writers in videogames and cinema to write strong female "girl bosses" as awful people. It says more about the writers themselves than anyone else
And then you have the people who are like "See? This is why we should never have female main characters ever!" No, the problem is that the writing is fucking awful. You can have an interesting and badass female character who isn't uncaring and apathetic and rude. The show Arcane does this perfectly. It's amazing to me that some people think the protagonist being female is the problem, not the male writers who wrote her that way.
@@daveanthony7431 I agree, but in general writers just need to stop acting like women are some other species that they have to try to get into the mindset of. The gender or race of the character shouldn’t even matter, just make them interesting and well-written. You don’t need to write them differently just because they're in a minority group.
Yeah IDK what happened here. It's shocking to me that Amy Hennig was one of the writers (Legacy of Kain, Uncharted), because she writes fantastic characters, even the flawed ones. But there are like 4 writers for this game, so who knows.
Good writers would allow for the friendship friendship feel genuine first before the plot twist so it actually matters more beyond making the protagonist more based and dope
Maybe Vambrace became evil because: 1.- the girl was his role model, so he learned evil from her 2.- got fed up with her mistreatment and decided to rebel
@@FargonNemeloc I don't blame you if you didn't watch the vid/didn't pay attention to the lore, but the twist was that he was always evil from the very beginning
if they made her like cuff and get along as friends, or he lied and said he was her father and built a relationship so she trusted him, the twist would have been a lot more powerful i think
And they did it with *dialogue* not frustrating enemies or bugs. Dialogue. Just goes to show how much he wanted to love this game and was invested in the story to be that frustrated by the shitty writing. Shame.
didn't think the art was that great either.... especially the city and castles,they're so so dull in color and design. I'd say even fire emblem castles look better
Yeah! it was so cathartic having a character that just layed into her for being a selfish crybaby, like a carrot on a stick, and the carrot was taken away when freyspoken shut her out and brought up a bunch of bullshit excuses that don't matter and acted like she already did everything she could when she didn't do jack shit. And then suddenly cuff is evil and mummy is a hecking dragon and the antagonist is New York smog amd stuff happens the end.
She would've been a pretty cool character IF: - Her rudeness caused actual problems for her - She changed troughout the game as a consequence of seeing how it causes problems for her and/or other people trying to help her and her realising she's just pushing away potential help and friends - She had more than 30 IQ when her survival depends on it
But dude….you’ve clearly missed the intention of her character and it baffles me. I mean how can she NOT be a cool character when she MoVeD StUfF WiTh HeR FrEaKiNg MiNd…
Stop demanding the impossible. These writers use themselves as mirror for their creation and you want them to create characters of intelligence and self-awareness?! You a mad boi.
Some writers don't get that there's a difference between an unsympathetic character and an insufferable character. Someone like Patrick Bateman is unsympathetic: most of us can't relate at all to the way he lives, and the things he does are completely beyond the pale. But we still aren't so put off by him that we stop watching: he's monstrous, but not miserable. Another good, and perhaps more down to earth example is Rebecca Bunch from "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend:" throughout the first two seasons of the show in particular she fully lives up to the appellation given to her by the show's title, and clearly commits several actual felonies. However she's such a delightful trainwreck to watch that you find yourself liking her in spite of herself, to the point where when she gets a stalker of her own and he turns her own fantasy against her it genuinely catches you off guard. The later seasons focusing on how she became the trainwreck we watched for the first two seasons and her process of becoming a healthier and more functional person (including her doing a stint in prison for the aforementioned felonies) is legit one of the best redemption arcs I've ever seen executed.
@@corruptedpoison1 Allot of people are trying to copy the "Asshole" archetype following the success with Rick and Morty, literally Velma "attempted" to do the exact same thing. The only problem is, alot of people dont understand what makes Asshole characters likeable and successful. The only reason why Rick became likeable in the first place, before he could actually develope as a character, was that he was Quirky Asshole who acted as somewhat the straight man to the nonsense that happens in his world. Like, while his dimension was being split in half, he spent time to lecture his grandkids on how stupid they are for spliting up the timeline, with floating space cats and testicle monsters in the background.
Find it telling that she tantrums about not wanting to save this world bc it ain't hers, but now that she knows she's from here - YEAH I"M A HERO! LOVE MEEEEE
She knew she was from Athia by that time, and she just goes "Yeah, but I was raised in New York" the city of stank she hates, known as a criminal and wanted dead by a street gang.
Justice for cuff dude, he didn't deserve this. Was the voice of reason for the entire game until the writers went like "nah he's cartoonishly evil now"
Cuff really reminds me of Wheatley from Portal 2, except the difference here is that with Wheatley the twist actually worked (chances are you might've saw it coming but the story benefited from it extremely well) while with Cuff it just makes you feel like the bad guy because suddenly you're trying to defeat the one reasonable character that helped you in your journey.
That would require writers to be self aware that their protagonist is unlikeable & I highly doubt if they’re smart enough to realize that, that they would be dumb enough to put a twist like that. It’s much more reasonable to believable they just wanted a heel flip & for our main protagonist to be the last hope for humanity by defeating the villian & being regarded as a hero, opposite of how we started the game. They came into this story knowing how they wanted to end the game & how they wanted to start it.
lol literally a pretty common tatic everytime the protagonist starts to fall out of favor with the audience and someone else becomes more favorable with the audience
You know what’s even more depressing? Aside from the existence of this game? People like the MC actually exists in real life… and believe they are the good guys and can rightfully and justified to fuck over everyone 😢
Even worse, just like the MC, they tend to act like they're the nicest people who've sacrificed everything, and you just don't understand cause you're mean
@@superbodoque7860 Everyone only thinks he's annoying or cringe or for kids because that's how he's been written in the games for like over a decade now. But anyone who actually bothered playing the games from the 2000s would realize that he actually used to be a decent character and even mature and cool.
@@zombifiedpariah7392 yeah I know, I'm a Sonic Enthusiast myself, I'm just sort of generalizing everyone who thought Sonic was annoying, when he's not, even in past games
I love how modern game writers seem to think that adding curse words into every sentence (sometimes repeatedly) makes their characters come off as more "mature" or "edgy," but in reality they just sound like middle schoolers when they're out of earshot of their parents lol
It’s usually lazy writing. It makes sense with a character like Ellie in TLOU, because she’s literally an immature child who is trying to act tough, but typically that type of writing just comes off as amateurish.
@@D71219ONE so is it the execution then? Because movies like Wolf of Wall Street and Uncut Gems seem to drop the f bomb an unnecessary amount of times but they're still well received by people.
@BarioIDL that's what makes it even sadder, the examples of why it sucks already exist and they doubled down on it 😂❤ Sony fanboys get what they deserve
Some powerful and likeable female game characters to help quickly forget this one. Jade, Alice, Aurora, Elizabeth, Lucca, Amicia, Ciri, Bayonetta, Alyx, Rayne, Samus, Kid, Zelda
You know, the story would be somewhat less shit if they hadn't of made Frey's life terrible. Because based on her backstory, she should want family, community, a place to start a new life, and should have no desire to go back to being a homeless, jobless, criminal, with no friends and no family. Coming to Athia should have been taken as a fucking miracle by her, even with it's massive problems. I guess it's a "Devil you know instead of the devil you don't" scenario, but it really just makes no sense. And then to be given crazy powers, a purpose, a chance to make a difference, applause and adoration--what else do you want, lady? From a writing perspective, this was just a baffling decision; let's give her 0 desire to even continue to breath in New York, and then have her primary motivation her desire to get back to New York! And make her an awful bitch! Fucking brilliant!
For real ,i rather have enemies that 2 hit kill me but arent a fucking sponge, nothing lazier and more annoying that fights that are 15 minutes of doing the same shit until the enemy dies.
@@oscarriveraabal9390 Midir, Fire Giant, every single mmo boss, anything in destiny 1 or 2. We could list them all day. Worst of all is when they cam 1 or 2 shot you, and have a mile long health bar.
I love how the character 6 hours in is like " There is no place like home. I'm a New Yorker not an Athian." Even though she was trying to get out of the city at the beginning of the game because she literally said she hated New York. At first I was like "well congrats". A fresh start in a whole new world and you didn't need the money that burned up. But she still isolates herself and acts like a victim even though she was trying to get out the whole time. Then a purpose for living literally lands in her lap and she rebels against it.
... so wait, because she wants to be in a safe comfortable place with warm skies and no worries of dying or being assaulted or living in hell, she should be grateful and happy that she's in literal hell; where corruption is killing every single human and there's barely food to eat or materials to survive, where every person wants you to die and be executed for existing in this world that you didn't ask to be sent to, while being hunted by all powerful beings who can wipe out armies and literal demons and monsters? Not to mention the responsibility of every living thing that still hates and condems you resting solely on you? Yeah she should embrace it and be a badass from the get go as a 21 year old orphan thrust into a world where you can bend reality and go insane just for existing all because the people who literally tried to imprison and kill her the moment they met, and for weeks after suddenly realized they have no other option but to beg and hope she will save them for no reason? Damn I gotta rethink my own life and wishes to be in a better place, because Athia sure as fuck isn't a better place lol
It kinda sucks because the fantasy setting, concepts, and animations had the potential to make for a really cool game. But the writers dropped the ball so hard that it kinda killed the entire thing
lmfao She apologizes to Homer after choosing to save Athia instead of returning to New York but like, didn't she give the cat to the judge after the fire? Did she just forget she did that?
He would probably think mostly about food, or flex on Ganon a little after clapping him countless times, though not to an unbearable extent like the mc for this game, he is a man of few to no words after all
The part where she calls an ancient evil demon a “gaslighting piece of shit” was so hilarious, this game wants to appeal to the tik tok demographic so hard
Frey: Can we just not talk? Cuff: Suit yourself. I'd love a bit of silence. Me, You, Charlie, Everyone else witnessing this: So I see we're all in agreement
“I don’t understand this trend of making the main character so unlikable.” Simple. Much like how people who aren’t smart write smart characters as if they’re wizards, people who aren’t clever can only interpret snarky wit as being an asshole and not facing any consequences for it.
SO fucking badly optimized like most games too. Pretty sure games years ago looked better or as good and I could run them on my 1080TI at 70+ fps... There's no excuse that these graphics require so much lmao, just lazy programming. and $70??!?!? AHAHHAhAH Good one bruh, the nerve on these people. Holy shit gaming is truly rock bottom if this is the standard for a higher than base price big game. This shit aint worth more than $30. Crazy how they think they can get away with this. Games 10 years ago worth half the price have been better. This is why we need pirating, don't be a sucker
I’m so confused how they took a character who hated her situation in life and had no attachments to the real world and made her hate the sick fantasy world they put her in. If I were Frey I’d be stoked to have a new community that wanted me.
The new world is kinda a hell world. I'll take new york poverty over corruption land any day now. At least there I know where the dangers are. Imagine walking outside and everyone just turns into zombie mutants
@@thanatosdriver1938 True, true. Also, people are creatures of routine: you'd love all the new stuff temporarily, but you'd get incredibly homesick and miss all the normal stuff you took for granted back home, like podcasts and toilet paper.
I think they could have made the Frey/Cuff hatred work if Cuff was the only one trying to get Frey back into the real world. Could have been really interesting to see both their sides and make Frey's shittiness to Cuff make a bit more sense
If I were Frey I’d hate that medieval fantasy world too. The Middle Ages lacked modern world's comfort and entertainment, I would be happier if I went to a more developed and comfortable world.
It reminds me of YIIK, where the protagonist is purposefully written to be unlikeable, but they forgot to add more humanizing moments thru out to make you actually care what happens to them.
Thing is about YIIK. Its a comedy so its ok if the characters an asshole as long as the joke falls on him being a terrible person. (At least i think its a comedy, i fell asleep when i watching a walkthrough)
@@hamchurger4566 yeah unfortunately the game takes itself too seriously to be considered good trash,the dev used the elisa lam case as a basis for the love interest of the mc which is...yikes
spoilers ahead: i love how the only fairly reasonable character that's manageable to sit through speaking, while also maintaining a good moral compass is the cufflink that also decides to betray Frey.
Best character in the game, and that’s a hard steel solid strong fact Hell he even looks pretty cool and actually fantastical compared to literally everything else
Reminds me of Santa inc. saw a review of it and the speech Santa gave to that elf as to why he didn't pick her as a successor made me go "That's actually a pretty valid reason, this is a good speech, is this the turning point where this becomes good?" And the elf's response was "F U" like WHAT it was a genuinely good reason, there's no reason to respond that agressivley
I love how there are zero reasons for Frey to be such an asshole to Cuff. He didn't trick her into wearing him - she stole him. She literally came and took him. He doesn't try to manipulate her by saying "Do as I say, and maybe I'll let you survive by borrowing my powers but don't you dare to forget who holds the leash". He saves her ass multiple times by lending her his magical powers and warning her about incoming danger. He doesn't force her to NOT help people of Athia or go out of his way to make her look bad, so everyone would treat her like a demon and make her rely on him and him alone. No, he even asks her to be nice to people and empathizes with them. He is literally her best friend in this entire scenario, but she treats him like shit from day one. It's a rough comparison, but take Alladin from the classic Disney movie. The guy is homeless, but he would put himself in harm's way to protect others. He shares his scarce food with even less fortunate folks because he knows how bad it is to go to sleep hungry. And when he finds himself as the master of a djinn who can make almost any wish come true, he only wants to become a prince just because it would make him worthy to approach Jasmin. Also, all that time, he treats Genie as a friend, not a slave, and is sincerely grateful for everything Genie does for him. Even when he breaks his promise to Genie, he is genuinely apologetic and scared - he knows he is in the wrong, but he is too afraid of messing up as the future sultan. We liked Alladin because he is kind, brave, and selfless and when something good happens to him, we feel happy because he deserves happiness. Frey is showered with good stuff - but she deserves none of it.
She is extremely disoriented her life has been upended 3 times in a day (the trial, the fire, the transport). The Vambrace wasn't making things difficult on her but he is just a sarcasm generator man for so much of his dialogue, I can understand her reactions. I would not be in the mood to have him be my friend 24/7 on a good day and she has had the ground swept under her a few times this game. I don't blame her for her mood. I blame the writers for putting her in one.
@@thanatosdriver1938 I would have agreed with that IF the game showed what would happen if she at least tried to speak to him nicely. Would he soften up and stop sassing her? Would he respond with more sarcasm? We don't know. We only see him growing even more sarcastic in response to her behavior -- and it's understandable because she just lashes out and snarks at everyone in her vicinity. It's alright for the person to be disoriented and shocked after being swept into another world. But later, as she starts living in the community of people and getting used to her new companion? That's when she would start adapting and bonding with people - and the guy who lent her his magic powers. It would make sense for her to believe she went mad - so she ignores or snaps at the Vambrace until she gets herself imprisoned. Then it hits her that she is REALLY in another world, so she is more willing to listen and cooperate with the artifact because her survival depends on it. Also, the problem is, her wish came true - she hated New York, she wanted out "somewhere with clear skies". Now, she is in a new world, her criminal past is literally erased, she can deal with almost any threat thanks to her helper and there are people who look up to her. But now she hates it all and wants to go back to New York? Not only did writers put her in just one mood for an entire game, they never established what she actually wants.
It's like the writers couldn't see anyone being nice to Cuff because he was the main villain If that makes sense? Though, it would have been a much bigger hit of betrayal if they solidified Frey and Cuff's relationship like you said and used the example of Aladdin. Honestly though this game looks awful and I think it's mainly due the price. Almost the same price as the FF7 remake which, I'm assuming is very good compared to this.
37:49 Athia is literally about to be wiped off the face of the Earth and its people subjugated to genocide, and Frey still finds a way to make it about her and throw herself a pity party about how life handed her yet another shitty card. This is one of the most unlikeable video game protagonists of all time.
@@caseydia3957 modern writers in general are INSUFFERABLE people, especially videogame writers, it's why they have no clue how to write good characters, because they're not good people.
@@caseydia3957 aren't the devs japanese? This to me sounds more like japanese having the shit end of the stick by having to write a black girl. they probably have very little experience with american/black american culture and how they talk.
And worse Edit: to add I just beat elden ring for the first time yesterday and my God was it polished as hell. 150 hours and 100% completed. Time well spent
I love how early on they get to a point were she tells the cuffs to stop talking. They both agree to not talk. Then like 3 seconds later they're both talking again
Idk if I’m misinterpreting this but it seems like at 40:04 Fret’s mom says that she wants Frey to “save Athia” by making it more like New York? That’s awful lmao, im sure that what this magical fantasy world needs is more homelessness, addiction, pollution, and atomization
Yeah almost every single triple A game studio are making games that suck. Im not having much fun like in 2000-2015. It’s just gotten to the point where it’s always terrible launch and overpriced for what it is.
@@thanman6584 Ragnarok is one of the most generic and bland games to have come out in 2022. A by the numbers story with mid combat. It’s overrated and doesn’t deserve nearly as much praise as it’s gotten. A copy and paste Sony exclusive that’s no different then their other titles
At least Peter did that as a response to actually being disrespected. Of course, the rest of his story makes very clear how selfish choices lead to ones downfall.
"Welcome to Forspoken. The game where you play as the antagonist, instead of the protagonist, except at the end, you have the choice of making a decent decision."
That part with her talking about how she doesn't care about the world was some of the most baffling writing I've ever seen. Like I know it's kind of cliché, but would it've been so difficult for her to be like, "Yeah, you have accepted me. I've finally found somewhere I want to stay.". They were right on the cusp of some of the easiest character development I've ever seen, and they just threw it out the window for no reason.
It's really weird, she's like a masterclass of how to write a self-absorbed, annoying narcissist but the game just forces you to play as her In any other game she wouldn't even be a villain/antagonist she would just be the asshole you want to punch
yeah that kind of writter clairvoyance is very annoying, it's like when Sansa and Arya in GOT hated Danny when at that point in the story she'd done nothing but help them. I think it was supposed to frame Sansa as smart for sensing the crazy or something but with no reasoning behind it it's just dumb.
@@rubbish_kat well technically the North had reasons to be wary of Dany. Her goal was to take back the Seven Kingdoms, not the Six, and the North had declared independence. She also had a foreign army, coupled with dragons, which Jon was proposing that they simply let walk in through the castle gates. In the context of the story, it's perfectly in line with the characters to be wary of Dany.
Agreed. Plus it makes me sad because i liked his voice and personality, he was like the calm voice of reason always trying to calm her down and reason with her. Also makes me really sad that his design was wasted for this game. Dude really had such an awesome cool looking design! I loved the faceless golden angel looks, i think the concept artists did a great job with him.... wasted on this game :c
Watch it be thats why they made the cuff the bad guy. He was actually going to be her father, but then they didnt realize how awful the protag was to him until playtesters started playing so they scrapped half the game and rewrote it as him being the big bad.
Honestly, I wish more and more writers start writing female main characters like Deathpolca (demons roots) and not like Frey (Forespoken), Being Rude =/= being strong, infact, it says the opposite, the strongest of people are usually the least rude and most loved, even some strong leaders that did awful things were usually said to be Loved by the ones around them and Calm and Collective instead of rude and loud
There's cool things in this game, art direction, character designs, certain characterization, etc. But it's all ruined by awful writing and literally the most unlikable, unpleasant, selfish, illogical protagonist to be ever put into a fictitious story
@@superbodoque7860 I played the game and I liked the visuals and like the core idea, but it just felt to flat for a full prized game. Like not finished at all. You had cool intros for boss fights and such and then just boring fights, the house system with the cats was pretty random, also the houses just standing there randomly did not really fight imo... well there is a lot of stuff that could have been better, I wish they just gave the game a little more time and actually just gave out the dlcs for free or something like that, because it was clearly a flop :D
So let me get this straight (cause I haven’t played this game) The main character is basically teleported to a magic land because of a magic bracelet, and know has to fight an army of demons. But then she complains and says she wants to go back to her life……which from what I can tell, is of poverty, destitution, and loneliness, despite just meeting a group of people who know not a thing about her but openly embrace her. Not only that, but she treats everyone she talks to with disdain, distrust, or outright aggression, and then complains that she has no friends. She also says “Why can’t I do what I want?” Despite the fact that if she wins this battle, she is not only free, but praised as a hero by the people. Is this character redeemable? What traits does she have the make her likable? (I’m not being sarcastic I’m genuinely asking.)
I honestly tend to like female characters that most gamers find annoying or mean (Abby from tlou2, Aloy, reboot Laura Croft etc.) but this time it’s just insufferable, no growing, no redeeming qualities, she’s not even strong or badass!! All of her powers are gifted to her. It to me feels like a horrible self insert mixed with what someone who hasn’t interacted with humans in years thinks confidence is.
@@TenderNoodle I feel this 100%. There's so many female characters who get shat on for standing up to bullies, and it's turned 'unlikable female protagonist' into a 'cry wolf' situation -- but Frey really is genuinely, pointlessly unlikable. They don't seem to know how to establish that she's bitter and mistrustful, so they randomly crank her up to 100% aggression for no reason. Constantly.
Cuff "I've been trapped here for years and had time to reflect on my actions. I am going to change starting today" Cunt "fuck I am awesome fuck. Like fuck fuck fuckity fuck." Cuff "...I change my mind. I'm going to kill everyone because of you"
literally kratos in gow 1 - 3 angry because the gods ruined his entire life, but usually leaves people that don't piss him off or aren't a threat to him alone. frey: literally always replies with the f word to anyone that tries to communicate with her just because she can
Eh Kratos goes full villain more or less by GOW3, which is great don't get me wrong. But you can straight up murder innocent people in that game for no reason AND he fucks the world up on his revenge quest. Again, which is all fine because it fits the story. Also, the gods were somehow worse.
@@niallreid7664 And that's the difference; he was an asshole but not an asshole for no reason--he was practically insane with rage against an enemy who was even worse than he was.
GOW is a great look at a character that is lovable because of how intense they are. I’d argue you play as the villain in the GOW 1-3 series, but end up fighting the even bigger villains. The story boiled down is one of the henchmen turning against his boss and fighting the villain. You can empathize with Kratos. The gods forced him to serve, they tricked him into killing his family, put the ash on his skin, burned metal into his flesh, and ruined whatever humanity he had. The idea of getting revenge is satisfying, it makes sense for him. Frey doesn’t have an excuse. She’s just hateful for no reason, there’s no satisfaction to it, she’s not fighting any inner demons
9:28 Charlie: "Why is she so unlikable, like why is he so rude to everyone and everything..." Game: "You say another fucking word..." Gave me a good chuckle how amazing the timing was
Both characters dialogue was comically hamfisted. About the level of nuance i'd expect from thomas the tank engine, except the train show has better facial animations so I'm kinda doing thomas dirty
I love how whoever planned the game difficulty thinks more health = more difficult. It doesn’t make them more difficult when their ai hasn’t been changed at all…they just become a nuisance to fight because they take forever to kill.
Honestly it's a bit of an obvious "twist". "I've actually been connected to this magical world all along, and that's why _I'm_ the chosen one!" It's not a new trope, it's just abnormally obvious and poorly done here.
Falling on that cat was completely in line with her character, I'm calling it cannon at this point. In an attempt to save herself the trip down the stairs, she jumps over the balcony, crushing a defenseless house cat under her boot. "Add it to the list" she mutters to herself. Crashing through the world with cold indifference and malicious self absorption. Good, evil, all will fall before her. She, destroyer of worlds, only exists to exert her own will. Complete determination, 0 direction.
I want a mod where the creator finds a point where most people jump off. Then put a cat there and create a cutscene where she mortal combat style crushes that cat's head with her shoe zoom out to the character model face being slightly scrunched, move back to the gameplay camera while someone in Tessa's voice says 'ew'... Normal gameplay proceeds
I think it might be interesting when she woke up in Athia, she's confused first, and the when she got the power she messing around a bit. But then she remembers about her cat and maybe the writer can made Frey's motivation to go home is only for Homer. Also maybe changed her personality a bit.
This game forces you to watch 1 hour and a half of cutscenes before being able to play it, and when you play it you want to come back to the cutscenes.
This game forces you to watch 1 hour and a half of cutscenes before being able to play it, and when you exit those cutscenes, you are forced back to a reality where you realized, it really is a bad game.
29:15 Literally her character is she wants to escape her problems and leave new York. When's she in a place can escape reality. She complained when it isn't perfect and wants to go back to new york
So Frey's whole ideology for the game was "I want to go back to the place that hated me, so I can go back to doing what I want, which is wallowing in self pity and anger?" Feels bad man.
I doubt they put this much thought into her character, and there really isn't evidence of it for Frey, but I could see a character with depression having that kind of mindset. "This world is scary and new, and I just want to go back to what I know and where I'm at least a little comfortable even though I'm always miserable and angry." Perhaps a character with imposter syndrome or a character afraid of change and/or that they will fail to meet expectations of everyone believing they are a hero because in their world they always saw themselves as a loser, a nobody. "At least back in New York, no one expects anything from me. I'm nobody, I'm not worthy of this praise and adoration! I'm going to fail and let all these people down! I just want to go back to where things made sense!" That would be far more interesting, in my opinion.
So our hero flat out told a grieving woman who just lost her father that she doesn't care what happens to her and her people AND was even rude to children... yet cuff, the one who has been the voice of reason, was the enemy. Did something get mixed up in the writing room? It really seems like our good ol hero girl should have been the antagonist bent on destroying the fantasy world because she wants to go home or something.
I saw so many people talking about how the bracelet never shuts up and how annoying it is, but after seeing the game I know they were totally wrong. The main character is the one who never shuts up and is absolutely insufferable. I don't think I've ever wanted the "villain" to just crack the MCs skull more than this.
She's so annoying that I was rooting for Cuff at the end. I don't blame him for being the villain. I would be too if I was stuck on her arm being belittled throughout the game.
Seeing Charlie in desperation at the end because the writers thought the players of their game were gonna be brain dead or have some kind o Alzheimer Variant that makes them forget the Storie points was hilarious, I wish he just went home to see if the dad was waiting on the other side lol
Yeah, I've never seen Charlie respond to something so upset in a straight forward way, he didn't make a joke of it, he didn't say some witty line, he genuinely just is so confused why Frey is such a terrible character for no reason other than to be insufferable, and honestly, I'm right there with him... Frey is an insufferable character and I have absolutely 0 interest to see what happens to her because I just want nothing to do with her. I can't even finish the video for Charlie's sake, I can't stand Frey.
The main protagonist did not feed the cat despite having a bag of money literally at its disposal but had multiple pairs of expensive shoes . Welcome to Forsaken CAT . (edited after : i have never had a comment go viral so you have no idea how good you guys made my day ! so i will use this chance to ask for a view of my channel because who the fk knows when i will get a chance )
Devs: *Make as unlikable character as it is humanely possible* Players: *Do not like the character* Devs: "people just doesn't understand and want depth from characters nowdays*
Ngl I originally thought that when Cuff said they were gonna part ways is because Tanta Cinta had forcibly separated them and it woulda been a quest about Frey using her powers herself to get cuff back and then cuff being revealed as her father. Cinta still being her mother but Frey having to still kill her despite knowing how much she loved her. With the break being caused by the world's bleeding into each other. Earth's dimension is toxic to athia and vice versa, which would also be a reason why Frey complains so much about clean air and bright skies cause the pollution took form as the break bleeding into each other. So Cintas search for love ended up damming the world she cared so much for. The Tantas still being corrupted doesn't change but idk takes it in a bit of a different direction. Also thought that the choice you could make to go home would've eventually ended up with cuff breaking through into earth to destroy it as just as a weapon out of control and Frey would have to face her consequences and it would also be symbolic of her running away from her issues and finally facing them but at the cost of athia. Like an actually different ending rather than a cutscene. God this game could've been so good
