Forspoken Revisited on PS5: Better Visuals, Higher Performance... But What About The Game? 

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Your english is great just fyi

It's really weird how many messages I see with perfectly good English until the apology at the end for bad English (e.g. "sorry my bad English").

@@cptnoremac I think a lot of non-native english speakers don't realize how lazy and dumb most native speakers are (myself included sometimes, lol).

@@cptnoremac I feel like these people are native speakers trolling at this point

Square DID that’s the funny thing. Yet then they went and formed luminous after consolidating into 4 collective business units.

But then there’s the risk of every project looking too similar…

@@malekaiusthat’s not how that works…

@@willuigi64 that’s not how risks work?

@@malekaius that’s not how consolidating tech works. Is your memory so prone to forgetting context?

I'm so glad someone else is mentioning this. you could tell ff16 got preferential treatment when it came to studio-wide resources. that's why the game is getting its polish and refinements post-launch, AFTER FF16's launch. The game is waaay better than ppl are willing to admit, but the technical issues gave them a reason to justify their hate.

@@salinalee2613 Now for them to redo some issues with FFXVI, so we can actually get stable 30 and 60fps in their respective modes.

​@@salinalee2613 Yeah. And that's not even taking into account the huge open world they were making in Forspoken. I think the devs bit off more than they could chew because the world didn't even need to be that large given the story takes you only thorugh 15-20% of the whole map lol. The way Forspoken was treated is a shame.

@@lockekappa500 yeah I really wish they fix the frame drops on performance mode. I only have a 1080p TV, so I don't really gain much from the quality mode, but I'd rather have a somewhat steady 30fps than a 60fps mode that keeps going up and down constantly.

It's not like FF16 was flawless though. The game dipping to 720p in combat and only using FSR1 instead of FSR2 is pretty ridiculous. And those are only some of the issues.

The last 5 big titles I've played ALL were half the price, with 25% more content, and zero bugs/better graphical options. Especially games that are both on PS4 and PS5. You'd actually be insane to play a game for your first time on launch nowadays.

You're very smart 👌

Same man. Wait a year or more, get the better version and cheaper.

Man I was that impulse buyer y'all speak of ..... Live and learn 😂

Me too. Especially now when games are released with improvements planned. I think the only game i did buy day one was FF16, but it was really cuz my son wanted to play it badly.

I mean it's Ea what does that company care about 😂

Pretty much why I haven't bought it on PC. Nothing EA does or doesn't do surprises me at this point. If you are on PC running an Nvidia card the DLSS mod seems to help a lot.

I’ve played maybe an hour or so and just installed the motion blur patch. Will keep holding off until there’s a 40fps balanced mode or they stabilize the game a little better Hard to “adjust” to this game when coming from forbidden west and ragnarok. Hell I just finished days gone and that game runs incredibly well and looks great for a ps4 game..

Yeah but this reviewer isn’t going to mention that about FF16. It gets a pass. People are way too overtly critical of Forspoken. FF16 copied so much from it coming out so much after and Forspoken deserves credit for its fast, fluid, fun combat.

Yeah, with GT7 frame drops And final fantasy 16 demos has frame drops too I'm waiting for ps5 pro before purchasing jedi survivor, FF16, FF7 rebirth, phantom liberty and many others

Same here. It makes no sense to buy games at release anymore. It's sad as it ruins the excitement of new releases. Getting hyped up for new games is part of the enjoyment you get from gaming and that's now gone.

​@@grahamt19781no sense? Really?

​@@Pointman11111unless it's a MP focused game or so, why buy a game on launch day when 99% of them come out with performance issues, missing features, bugs etc.?? You buy same game 3-6 months later, problems are ironed out, preorder bonuses most of the the time can be bought as DLC and game is all ready on discount at that point. Capcom was one of the rare dev/publisher which would release day 1 ready games to play, but even RE4 came out with performance issues until it was fixed.

@@givemorexp my god are you shortsighted What happens if a game doesn't get high initial sales and doesn't make enough revenue? It's not 99% and even if, it's not 99% of one individual game

FF16 looks great. They mentioned it uses some sort of raytraced shadows throughout which is why lighting and shadows are excellent in the game but this is also the reason why resolution and frame-rate gets a big hit in the game, but tbh the performance is stable enough when it matters and the game itself is perfectly polished throughout.

Yoshi P said FF16 isn't using Luminous Engine its using its own custom engine

it's not as good as HFW or TLOU part 2 for ff16

I am still waiting for the PC version.. to see it in all glory! Ofc, I already played the hell out of it on the PS5, but I want it on PC :D

​@@Helifax19righttttt me too. Its gonna be amazing

I would also like to know how they do pixel counting

I had tons of fun playing the game, honestly. I know it felt short for some people in some ways, but it was generally a very enjoyable experience for me, both the exploration and combat. Do get it if you see it on sale, it's worth it.

I platinumed it and loved the game. It's honestly got its issues, but it's nowhere near as bad as the angry mob said it is.

@@roodinverse most of these people in the comments are NPCs that don't know how to think for themselves. It pretty simple for me. Is the game fun? And is it worth the full price to play it? For this game yes and no. So I will wait for a sale and rock out.... period. I could care less what reviewers think or these BOTs on the internet.

Ok, you convinced me to give the demo another shot.. was the first thing I loaded on new ps5 so moved on pretty quick to try other stuff and then all the internet hate meant I never tried again.

@@roodinverseThe game isn’t terrible, just extremely bland, and the dialogue is absolutely abysmal

most games do, the goods ones simply know how to hide it better and where to cut corners.

​@@raze2012_I don't think they're good at hidding it. A lot of youtubers complain about this all the time: both console users, and people who make reviews for console games, do tend to ignore performance issues. It's the complete opposite of what happens on PC. Take any game that it's considered as a bad PC port as an example. Oh, with one exception: The Last Of Us Part 1. That one is only bad on PC. But, Forspoken, Dead Space Remake, Wild Hearts, Redfall, Jedi Survivor, etc, did have the exact same issues they had on PC, but you don't hear people complaining about Jedi Survivor on consoles. Hell, I barely see people pointing at Final Fantasy XVI performance issues, and that's thing is barely playable. This is something I've started to notice more and more. I know it's not easy to look for performance issues on consoles, but we have channels like Digital Foundry to cover that. For instance, people on PC were complaining about Hogwarts Legacy performance, because it was to CPU heavy in some areas, specially in Hogsmeade. It turns out Xbox Series X had the exact same issues on the exact same areas. Hosmeade meant going under 60 fps. So, the PC port is good. It has perfect frametimes most of the time. You just have to install it on an SSD and have a good enough CPU for those CPU heavy areas, if you don't want to experience frame drops. Altho, I don't know if the performance is better now, and you no longer need those things. I just hope we start seeing more console games reviews talking about these perfomance issues, because they should drop points from games if they are released in a poor condition. They shouldn't even consider those issues can get fixed in the future, because a reviewer should look at the game as it is at the time he/she was playing it. I still can't believe no one talks about all the performance issues Jedi Survivor had on consoles. It's crazy.

@@joseijosei Totally. I loved FF16, but the performance mode is hot garbage. The game looks good on graphics mode, but on fps mode, not only it looks really bad, it doesn't even have a good performance.

@@joseijosei Take note that games on ps5 usually run better due to a custom ssd and sony being careful to what they release on their platform, they always seem to be better polished than xbox and pc titles.

@@yiannis777-l9c But that's not true. Digital Foundry already made a video about that. Many, actually, just straight up comparing ports. It is something people like to repeat a lot, but it's not true. Also, if they don't run better with similar hardware, when you comparte "better hardware" vs. PS5, things look even worst. I made this comments 8 months ago, and all I can say is that at least I'm seeing people complaining about the 30 fps target on Dragon's Dogma 2. Plus, people who recognize that the only way to run the game at over 60 fps is with a good PC, because I bet that, if it has that performance on PS5, it will be considered as a "bad PC port". Just wait a week and watch.

Yeah, the uninstall option.

Yep,it’s having a -14.9dB level in YT stats - definitely needs amplification.

Second this, thought it was just me 😅

Yep. YT stats show content loudness -14.9 dB for this video. This is too low. In my experience, it should be no lower than around -5dB. Basically 10dB louder for best result. It's good when you watch it at home with adequate sound config. You just crank the amp and solve the problem. You don't have that luxury when watching on a phone or a laptop, so that's why it's important. Also if you have an ad midway through the video... lol

Great video though! Lol

good to hear! It was on of most fun games I played this year

​@@HiCZoK finally a game again similar to Prototype

@@Pointman11111 Dang, you must really hate Prototype to compare it to Forspoken - sick burn...

@@JohnBrowser2013 no

Why be a sheep?

​@@SmokinJoe000Because it sparked them paying full price for one of the worst games released this year.

Just dont buy day one releases or you will be a beta tester who has to pay fullprices.

Gameplay is the infamous series from sucker punch(ghost of tsushima)

Ff16 is so boring

​@@paulysmallz8095 No.

I'm really curious about Forspoken after playing XVI. XVI to me is incredibly mediocre so it's like, how bad can Forspoken be? Same with that Stranger of Paradise game, really curious about that too now.

I loved ff16 but the performance really should be looked at. I may sound unreasonable, but I'd like to see the same exact graphics of resolution mode running at 60 fps. Ff16 looks beautiful but it doesn't look good enough to justify how low resolution and how muddy performance mode are.

Someone did not watch the video before commenting. 😅 I hope Final Fantasy XVI gets a better treatment than Forspoken.

Forspoken got oppressed with hate. While other games with the same issues got a little bit of hate and then forgotten about.

I get the impression that a lot of the 16 development changes to graphics and fidelity is what we're gonna see with the 7.0 FF14 expansion update, which promises tons of shader, texture, and lighting overhauls.

@@hehashivemind6111 It's gonna be really interesting to see how much of a glow up this update with PBR textures and new shaders will make to Final Fantasy XIV, Phantasy Star Online 2 new genesis almost doesn't look like it is the same game.

That's interesting, if anything you should have started with this game first, which is inferior significantly to those beasts you mentioned

So, let me get this straight, you freaking enjoy Forspoken? you're saying that publicly off the cuff? Yeah, OK,, that's something you do now, you do the magic you kill jacked up beasts, you probably think Forspoken is GOTY next

@@Faith1713 no, selling...'s joke is not funny nor does it make sense. And it's 4 "o"s.

@@Faith1713 The joke isn't funny here

​@@sellingacoerwa8318So let me get this straight.....what are we talking about?

Definitely no, still extremely empty

Yeah these two issues were the biggest thing for me as well. Same problem with motion sickness in games like FF16, I don't understand how can so many players enjoy and praise the game at such unstable framerates, for me it's too tiring to play, and 30 fps option is too choppy on oled to be playable just the same. Forespoken now seems playable without feeling nauseated after 20 minutes, but the problem of boring empty world remains. And I am waiting for performance fix on FF16 for STABLE 60 fps before I get into it.

@@neocodexx for FF16 i'm glad they update the game to have motion blur options, now you can turn it off completely, for me personally the best is 1 for motion blur because it doesn't make me sick and also it hides the choppy frame rate when you turn the camera during exploration default motion blur is 5 which is the maximum, crazy how they decide to give heavy motion blur on the game with no option to turn it off at launch day of the game unfortunately frame rate hasn't been optimized yet, i hope they will update it too for PS5. i don't wanna wait for pc release to feel stable 60 fps, but i doubt i will get 60 fps on pc since my pc currently has mid spec

@@rexxel8867 I actually don't mind motion blur as much and in some cases if used well it can look really good. It's just the framerate. It's more of an oled issue too. As soon as you go under 60 it starts feeling choppy and tiring to play (depends on game but movement heavy like forespoken is the worst offender, even 60 is bare minimum for a game like that, FF16 is slightly more passable but I'll wait)

@@v1kt0u5 Luminous is the name of the engine it's running on.

Too bad there's not a chance they'll further develop it now or reuse it now.

What was technically impressive about Luminous? This is the only game I know used it, so I obviously haven't seen it at its best.

@@existentialselkath1264 Final Fantasy 15 uses it and the original showcases for Kingdom Hearts 3 used it

@@existentialselkath1264FF 15 looked amazing and that used the Luminous engine.

Actually FFXIV is a mix of Luminous and Crystal Tools (the first task of the Luminous Engine team was to create a game engine for A Realm Reborn based on their prototype). But yeah, I see your point : Square struggle to get the right engine for Final Fantasy. It should have been the Luminous, but when you see the state of Forspoken... I doubt Square will put more money to save the tech. FFXV is a fucking waste even in its legacy.

Maybe its a pride thing not to copy others homework?

@@otcus5027bro Xv is the superior ff game trust me people will praise it once ff stays this way they made 16 just watch

@@otcus5027 i thought they did a pretty damn good job with FF7 remake using unreal, granted the areas aren't too big, I guess we will see how rebirth turns out, should be much more open, solely on the latest generation.

Consistency is overrated. It's good that studios are free to choose whatever technology they think will suit the game. If you don't give them that, you get products like Mass Effect Andromeda, which was killed by its own engine forced upon it by EA.

Same. I waited for a sale, I'm not gonna say it's a great game, but there's a lot about it I like.

I actually this game and hope for some miracle of a part 2

I respect that, but it’s probably the most bland game I’ve ever played. The open world, the dialogue, the story, just everything about it felt really bland. The combat was decent, but is the only thing about the game I can say is at least decent.

No enthusiasm for the checklist ESG game huh, surprising.

It's not a lack of enthusiasm you feel, it's what you literally first mentioned. Something went wrong with production. Too many voices frustrating the programmers. This is what leads to what you claim is lack of enthusiasm.

Yeah, Yoko is my favorite composer so I knew it wasn't going to hit that high that 15 did. But I just don't remember any songs in Forspoken at all. That's definitely where the Western part of this game shows. They prefer making that "cinematic" atmosphere to accompany the mood instead of a soundtrack that drives the mood home. the music should never "be in the way" and distract from the characters in this methodology. But Western media can do that because they lean so hard on the sheer presentation and actor performance. Which ofc was missing here.

Oh yeah the battle music (also exploration music in the demo) was SO BAD what a dissapointment after the beautiful just incredible theme song they came up with. Unironically I think music should be turned off while playing this game. It was tiring. Combine that with unstable framerate on release and it was hard to last more than 15 minutes before putting the game down.

I feel bad for whoever the Gollum environment artists are, because they're clearly the only people on that team who even tried.

Its called game optimisation, and shouldnt be impressive because there were times when games came out fully optimized day one its part of the job of a good developer

With enough mods you could but why bother lol

Shame because the game was pretty good

@@InfinitePCGaming It was bad

@@InfinitePCGaming it wasnt good at all. You can like it but that don't make it good, I like some shitty games or mid games ( due to either being funny or having one good core concept ) and ill never claim they are good.

Luminous Productions had a terrible habit of false advertising their games. I guarantee FF15 would've gotten a quarter of the sales if people actually realized what they were buying. Just like how everyone realized what Forspoken was, before buying.

@@bigdaddynerothe gameplay is amazing story is pretty mid I prefer forspoken combat mechanics over a lot of triple AAA titles sad the reviewers killed it the first hour it dropped really fun game

They will fix the framrate on FF16 , just give them the time. square enix they are very good on that. the problem is i hope the dlc will have good side quest 😅

Honestly. Probably not. Coming off FF16 is only going to exacerbate Forespokens shortcomings.

It flopped because it sucks. Woke zoomer junk.

LP Productions was dismantled so I doubt we'll see this franchise continued but I do hope!

The thing is, this game honestly wasn't as bad as the hate it got. But it got absolutely smashed by influencers on youtube. Smashed so hard that Luminous Productions is no more either. So we'll never see a original game like this, nor its possible sequel that was hinted. That's what happens now hwen you release an big original game in 2023 and arent "perfect".

i preffer 40fps quality mode, and yes i loved this game.

I dont think it’s necessarily a terrible game it definitely got blown out of proportion. That being said for $70 it was a let down

@@germansherman7707 Yanno I never really gave it a proper try. I think I will, thanks!

@@banuner_ Yeah I think its reasonable to say it was priced wrong. I think I got mine for 40. Its funny how frame of mind going into a game can totally change how it feels. If I went into Forspoken paying 70 bucks thinking it was going to be a AAAA experience, yeah it's not that game. But because I heard it was mixed results and I just went in looking for a simple and fun experience, I ended up finding that. The hardest part now honestly is just being at peace that we'll never see a sequel.

@@AJBats price tags really set expectations. If you sell your game for $70 its going to be judged against other similarly priced games. Had Forspoken launched at $40 or maybe even $50 i think its reception would have been waaaay better.

you're not correct, but also not entirely wrong. Forespoken's Luminous engine (which was FF15's engine) is a direct descendant of a previously used engine called "Crystal Tools", used for FF13 and FF14 version 1.0. FF16 on the other hand, uses a heavily modded version of the current FF14 engine (From 2.0 onwards) which was basically made after Crystal Tools So the technology from these two games came from the same source, but ended up with very different state/outcome

And annnnd different teams with different engine experience. "Why this square game good?" and "Why this square game bad?" Are the most immature questions asked by the internet regarding games released by the same companies. He even goes on to compare it to ff16 when ff would clearly receive more attention from Square proper than a new IP😂 edit: imo of course of course

@@MikaMausArt Not saying that that's what happened here, but to further add to your comment, people also underestimate how much technology can be shared between engines even when the foundation is not the same. Look at KH3, it's on Unreal 4, but I'd still say their VFX are consistent with other SE AAA games even though it's an other engine. It's entirely possible they has an internal VFX framework that they update and port to use on different engines. Same thing can happen with so many systems in different games. It's not free. You need to put engineer's time on it, but it's entirely possible.

@@Ayoul this is what i mean

Why? This game is already dead.

@@ataksnajperait’s not live service mate

@@ataksnajpera You can still play the game, it's not going anywhere.

​@@ataksnajperamuch rather have a game get fixed rather than leave it be a crappy mess and leave a bad taste on Squeenix's fans

@@skyMcWeeds Too late! Nobody plays this shit anymore. Game is dead.

Oliver is a great analyst and a wonderful addition to the team!

How y’all watching this early?

@@Tholipatreon

this engine is old as shit. just no

No it’s a clusterfuck, how this game drops to 1080p on ps5 is a disgrace, square Enix and a lot of Japanese devs are just bad at performant game engines

@@machinefannatic99 only game engine from Japan worth a damn is Capcoms RE engine

@@RidinSpinners36 yeah that’s the only good and performant one I can think of, the rest are shit.. elden ring engine is crap, luminous is crap, literally 99 percent of Japanese games have horrible performance and graphics. It’s sad because Japanese games have good stories and gameplay

I don't really think it matters which engien they move forward with. Luminous engine has features that would be great to have in the FFXVI engine and vise versa, but there doesn't seem to be anything fundamenyally in either engine that would prevent developers from adding the features to either. However since FFXVI engine has a lot of the more expensive to develop features I think the cheaper option is just to port over functionality from Luminous engine.

And a woke game is bad from conception.