Forum 2019: John Lennox - What can I say? 

Absolutely agree

@bob dunson have you ever listened to him or do you just like to curse?

We really should address the social acceptance of large numbers of people speaking a fantasyland vocabulary & openly indulging in the deceit of religious belief as a tool of fascism. These are the wolves in sheep's clothing, we know them by their works: A wicked generation seeking signs when Jesus The Nailed says faith is worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing verbal orders to one. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. Look at the verbose podium jockey speaking of faith & prayer as if we all should have a preference for travel with one foot in fantasyland. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, & there is talk as if God does not have a perfect record of doing nothing, as if we had no reason for the saying: God helps those helping themselves. A house divided cannot stand. We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland. 'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.'' It was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey. Theologians acquire grand titles without certification from a deity, & project certainty using fantasyland vocabulary in an academic setting to compensate for lack of reason.

​@@StupidityindexWhen I first read this, two possibilities popped into my mind. Either you're trying to be edgy and provocative by being intentionally dense, or this isn't the writing of an actual person but rather a chimpanzee let loose on a keyboard. Nowhere in your ad hominem filled- i.e. "podium jockey"- juvenile diatribe did you make anything even resembling a valid argument. First, you need to provide a definition for "fantasy land vocabulary." I think you meant to label it "language that confounds my senses and must therefore be summarily dismissed, on account of my philosophical and theological ignorance and ineptitude." "Religion as a tool of fascism." This gave me a good chuckle on account of the knowledge that the founding father of fascism, Benito Mussolini, was an ardent atheist and materialist. His move from left to 'right' never actually modified his secular perspective. Even as late as 1944, when Mussolini was installed as the head of the puppet government in Salo, and shortly before his death, he still professed a profoundly anti religious worldview. Of course, none of this matters to an unreasonable and a-historical mind such as yours...because you weaponize words(like fascism) in an attempt to make some absurd comparison between religious belief and authoritarianism, as if to say the two are mutually exclusive. It is interesting that you mention "secular law" as being such a saving grace. First, western conceptions of law, human rights, justice, and our approach to crime and punishment more broadly, are undergirded by Judeo-Christian ethics and principles, rather than some atheistic conception of morality(which is overwhelmingly relativistic) that emerged, completely whole cloth, out of the ether. What secularism and materialism--both atheistic in theory and application--actually did, was unleash the deadliest century in human history. The idea that man could achieve, of his own accord, a global utopian cooperative devoid of God by perfecting his own nature, resulted in unspeakable human misery. Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao(with honorable mention going to the Vietnamese and Cuban regimes) were mass murderers on an order of magnitude multiple times anything that occurred during the Inquisitions which, at best, cost the lives of a few thousand people. Of course the National Socialists pursued similar utopian goals--albeit with a racist and ethnocentric component that took its cues from the widely popular secular progressive science of the day, eugenics. And before you attempt to invoke the nonsensical "the Nazis were Christians" argument that Christopher Hitchens did- unfortunately, quite persuasively to his mostly young and impressionable fan base, I'd caution you not to engage in such historical revisionism. According to his own logic, the Bolsheviks must have all been Jews and Orthodox because they were nominally 'raised' as such! Wow! How utterly embarrassing. As for Freud's quote on literacy: He should have thanked the early church for introducing Universities to the world, not to mention the birth of Natural Philosophy and Science, the latter of which belongs almost entirely to the deeply religious Sir Isaac Newton. Likewise, the many missionaries who made their way throughout the known world preaching the gospel, also inculcated the importance of biblical literacy and education into many of their adherents. A primary example of this would be Patrick in Ireland, an island full of illiterate pagans at the time of his missionary work, that was thusly transformed into a bastion of scribes and scholars, who diligently copied(along with the Bible) some of the greatest works of antiquities. While the remnants of The Roman Empire were being ransacked and burned by pagan hordes, the newly Christianized Irish were preserving vast amounts of human knowledge and wisdom. A few final points. Your snarky quip regarding prayers in children's hospitals is just further proof of your inability to grasp metaphysical concepts. The problem of suffering has been intensely debated for centuries. There are a number of philosophical and theological perspectives on this topic, and none of them somehow disprove or otherwise debunk the existence of God. Further, there have been a number of well documented scientific studies that demonstrate the effectiveness of prayer in general, but more specifically with respect to terminally ill people. I've yet to see any data indicating that the lack of belief in God, and thusly the absence of prayer, generate any positive outcomes with respect to this demographic. Lastly, John Lennox is a mathematician, Bio ethicist and Christian Apologist...not a Theologian. The Science of Prayer www.psychologicalscience.org/news/the-science-of-prayer-2.html Prayer May Reshape Your Brain ... And Your Reality - NPR www.npr.org/2009/05/20/104310443/prayer-may-reshape-your-brain-and-your-reality

No he isn't. He holds wacky religious views.

Atheism damages the brain severely!

I listen to him every day

I feel the same way

Lennox is a stand up Guy, a real intellect!

He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

His message is very simple. "Donate"

Atheism damages the brain severely

@Rolf Leseratz I understand it perfectly well, new age fairy tales of origin of life, conciousness and first cause understanding. The arrogance of it is mind bending without a single shrek of evidence to back any of it up. The estimated amount of understanding mankind has of all the universe has yet to reveal stands at approximately 1percent and they talk God of the gaps ha. There are no gaps, just a never ending series of gaping casms. Their arrogance is offensive.

@Rolf Leseratz Is there any such thing as an atheist? When ye have explained everything without reference to the supernatural we will all come on board so that will be never. Seeing as Dawkins has had such an effect on you, here is another evolutionary biologist and an atheist for you, Dr Guy McPherson, he claims this age old God argument is almost at an end. See how you like his science.

@Rolf Leseratz As if I would understand science, ROTFL. Do you know something about me buddy, go on amuse me further with your awesome intellect. Arrogant much?

brilliant at mathematics. I'd love to hear him talk about that. His babbling apologetics is a boring and fatuous as anyone else's.

@@mcmanustony that is very true

@@jasonpalmer4211 you also find him religious ramblings boring?

@@mcmanustony yes I do

Lennox is a stand up Guy, an incredible intellect.

Never existed ah ha ha even Dawkins had to backtrack on that ridiculous assertion " I take that back, Jesus existed" Richard Dawkins.

It’s too late when you will find out your wrong. All will stand before the judgement seat of Christ

Its as moving as vomit

It was moving to me also . The talk was reassuring and encouraging . People surprise you sometimes by demonstrating aggression to the gospel because they had a false or incorrect / incomplete understanding of the Christian message . Conversation is a wonder way of sharing our faith .

Mr. Burr. Hello. I’m interested in your apprent objection. Would you care elaborate?

Atheism damages the brain severely!

You're welcome!

Rubbish! Total!

@@GeoCoppens The cross is foolishness to those who do not believe. 1 Corinthians 1v 18-20... "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God" find this chapter in the Bible and please read it

@@annandricktaylor8593 So What! It's in the Bible and therefore it's religious meaningless rubbish!

Atheism damages the brain severely!

@@annandricktaylor8593 i love chap one and two of first Corinthians

Probation closing soon. The battle rages on. Knowledge increasing.

@@4dchess-Eri A T Yea Lord Amen... The minute We Die Our Probation Ends... We Shall All be Tried unto The End...

Someone say: "He is a wolf in sheep's clothing." Humans created the idea of heaven and hell to cow simple-minded people into compliance. They are lies. S3.Ep4: The Mother of Exiles He knows it and fools ordinary people. It's fun playing pranks on stupid people. It's his hobby and it's my hobby. It's easiest with people who are on religious drugs like the Bible.

He is talking about the Mark Drama, you can hear more of those comments in this video facebook.com/uccf.thechristianunions/videos/382412369316279

You certainly have the right to your beliefs. What is your hope?

Unlike you?

@Rolf Leseratz Live in the real world do you well good for you, you have already declared yourself smarter and more brilliant than countless great minds of history and today. You know whats not true but dont know what is, arrogant much?

@Rolf Leseratz Damage yours did it, tell me who is a great mind and would they happen to be an atheist by any chance.

@Rolf Leseratz Dawkins, wasn't he the guy who refused to take on William lane Craig. Here is a quote from Einstein," the trouble with us scientists is that we are very poor philosopher's", there is also another one about his anger over atheists using him for support but its been a while cant quote it directly. Any thoughts on first cause or is that no longer necessary, let me guess you "dont know" and consider that a more noble position to take on it while sneering at believers. Arrogant much?

@Rolf Leseratz You utter meaningless gibberish while refusing to defend your ridiculous position. Atheism damages the brain severely

If the Scriptures are a drug I'm a junkie and don't intend to seek rehab! What is YOUR hope? Mine is in the resurrection of Jesus and the promise of full redemption and eternal life. Peace to you.

@@rebanelson607 You can also try to face reality. But that often hurts. You're right. Take your drugs to escape reality. Being human is often unbearable. If you want to meet really crazy people. Launch your browser. Enter RU-vid and type in the term “religion.” You will experience your blue miracle. Nothing compares to it, even not a madhouse. Best of all. Like in the madhouse people don't know that they are mad. Be glad you met me at the asylum.

You sound extremely self righteous.

Someone say: "He is a wolf in sheep's clothing." Humans created the idea of heaven and hell to cow simple-minded people into compliance. They are lies. S3.Ep4: The Mother of Exiles He knows it and fools ordinary people. It's fun playing pranks on stupid people. It's his hobby and it's my hobby. It's easiest with people who are on religious drugs like the Bible.

I see, unwise statements from a fork tongue, pray that your drug of sad delusion soon releases you. @@marculatour6229

The condescension here is astounding. You call them vulnerable to prop yourself up as reasonable (ego). You can't know whether they are or not, you don't know them. But you need to make sure people know how "good" you are by stepping on others. *Vulnerable* my left foot…

@@kanteannightmare I am getting a message from a man who died. He says he loves you. He wants you to sow a seed of $10 or $20 and you will be rewarded many times. Honest.

@Rolf Leseratz The wages of sin is death. Pride comes before a fall. Spinach is good for you. Coffee comes from Brazil.

@Rolf Leseratz We've already established that I am stupid, so anything I say has an excuse.

Such a reasoned and balanced case you've made. Not. Shouting insults isn't going to convince anyone to listen to you.

Hear God's Word And quoting the lies of your god and his book will NOT CONVINCE ANYONE WHO THINKS instead of just gives in to the BULLSHIT OF CHRISTIANITY. By the way when I hear the preachers screaming out their CLAPTRAP THAT IS INSULTING TO ME. The preachers EXPECT YOU TO JUST BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY SAY, when I ask QUESTIONS THEY SEEM TO BE OFFENDED. THAT IS INSULTING, do you understand YOU INSULT THINKING PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ASK HARD QUESTIONS. Before shouting off your mouth, THINK THROUGH WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY and see how YOUR attitudes are OFFENSIVE. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

and no, atheism is not belief system... /sigh I thought you are better,what apologetics did to you?

😂😂😂 wow!