I also have an EXTRA 15% OFF discount code for the FOSSiBOT F2400 to bring the price down even more! ***Apply code "EMNNF368" at checkout on Amazon, PLUS clip the $200 OFF coupon *** amzn.to/40n34cy (PRICE is $989.15 ....Only valid until April 10th)
I wish I knew about your channel sooner. Doesn't seem like they gave you a very long duration with your discout code. Any more codes to share? I'll be watching all your new videos from now on
I just bought one and have done preliminary testing. It arrived in good shape. It feels solid and well made. It is not light weight and feels like you are getting something for your money. It had a 30 percent charge out of the box. I plugged the power cable into the wall outlet to charge it and set it on 500 for a slower charge instead of 1100 watts. in about 4 or 5 hours it was at 100 percent. I plugged several devices into it including an 1500 watt heater. It ran fine with no indication of overheating. I only ran it for a few minutes so far. I will test it to see how long it will run before shutting off and add that to this comment. I tested my 200 watt solar panel connected to the XT-90 input and found it reached 176 watts charging at mid day. I have 2 of these 200 watt Renogy foldable panels and am pleased with the efficiency. I will continue to test it and update this post.
I liked your review of the Fossibot F2400. It reminded me of the Oukitel P2000. I currently have several different power stations. Including a Oukitel P2000. This power station Fossibot F2400 seems like a improved version of the Oukitel P2000 station. It has has several improvements over the Oukitel P2000 power station. The three major improvements of this power station are the input power adjustment limit, the Invertor output power level (25% higher), and the 25 amp DC power output XT60 connector (I really like that addition. ) Only major gripe I have with this station is I wish they had used a XT60 connector for the DC power input. I have had too many problems with the small Anderson connectors used as the DC Input on the Oukitel P2000 power station. Had to replace the MP4 to Anderson connector cable twice due to burnt contacts. Also, if the station is on the ground is very difficult to install the Anderson DC input connector into the unit due to the connector cover. Pretty much have to either pick up the power station, and put it on a table, or I lay down on the ground to install the DC input cable. Not fun doing that. Please pass comment that along to the manufacturer of the unit. Hopefully they will come up with a solution to the issues of the DC power connector. A. Cain
Nice unit. This appears to be an updated version. Of the Oukitel p2001. Like the ability to control the recharging speed of the unit with AC. This unit has four USB-C ports. They should have made one other USB-C port at 100 watts (total 2). Great review.
William Cohen - I wuz gonna be a smart-a** and ask if he could charge the Oukitel P2001 from it . Am very happy with the P2001 & see no need for this 'up-grade' . take care, rh
Great review as always Jason, packed with info. This looks like a good value unit, might give the AC200 a run for it’s money. Thermal camera is super cool!
Wow, so much information presented so efficiently. This seems like a decent unit. I guess with units this size, many people talk about expandability. Not as big a deal to me, but maybe I am not thinking far enough ahead, but like you said, you can’t put everything into it at this price. What would be nice is to hear how this unit does a few months or a year down the road. Thanks again for your great work.
Thanks for another comprehensive review. I don't really need another power station but with the Amazon coupon combined with your code giving a discount price of $989.15, I couldn't resist. It is my first power station with a UPS function. I have several Pecron's and so I'm a bit spoiled with their high efficiency in the 90%+ range vs this unit that barely hits 80%. This appears to be an update to the FFPower P2001 and shares the same capacity issues and all the same advantages with a few extras. Probably has the same internal battery I suspect. Too bad the discount code doesn't work with the green colored version of the F2400. People might consider that if we get into a conflict with China that power stations, solar panels, and assorted tech may become unavailable and very expensive. That and the American power grid is loaded to capacity and not being expanded, so blackouts and power interruptions can be counted on in the future. Might want to buy now while units are reasonably priced and available. Just where do they think the power necessary to charge up all those overpriced EV's is coming from? Should be receiving mine by end of week. Thanks again!
Great thoughts Ronbotex! I've also been thinking about this same situation....just in case we have a conflict where we lose basically all supply at our stores. I'm sure nearly 85% of the stuff we consume as Americans comes from China.
Wow! A true giant for the same price as the EcoFlow Delta 2 (with your extra discount). That price is incredibly low for a 2/2.4 KW power station at about 50 cents per watt! Great and very thorough review as always!
Great review!! I got one a couple months ago and really like it. Just waiting for camping weather to get the camper van out and see how it works out over the weekend 👍🤙🌞
The battery capacity test will can vary depending on the battery C-rating and discharge rate. Discharging a battery quickly vs over time can give you different bresults
Great review as usual Jason! Definitely some nice features compared to the Pecron E2000LFP, which I think is a competitor based on price. It has a larger inverter, and 2400W is more useful than the 2000W of the Pecron. The built-in charger is also nice compared to the Pecron. The 25A XT60 and adjustable AC charge rate are nice but not really features I care much about, though I can see the value to some. But the Pecron, even being lower rated capacity ends up having more real world capacity. Plus the much lower self discharge rates of both the AC and DC outputs on the Pecron are better, along with the higher voltage and power solar charging. Overall the Fossibot is a nice alternative at an amazing price and something I'd probably get if the Pecron wasn't around.
What up Doe!? The Big 3 EF, Blu, Anker are getting a lot of very good competition as of late. And the pricing is nice! Great vid as usual Dr J' Thanks 👍🏼
Thanks for a great review. I noticed in your Pros/Cons section of the video you neglected to mention the RF interference of this product. For a lot of us, RF noise is a deal breaker. I wish this was a bigger part of RU-vid PSU reviews as many of us deploy with this kind of equipment in Emergency situations. A noisy PSU can completly eliminate Emergency RF Communications. Thanks
Only a small portion of my viewers run the type of equipment that's effected by the inverter noise. Most people won't even see a difference while they use it. For the people who are aware of noise and interference and use that radio equipment, they can look at other options.
I wish I could afford a large unit like this to experiment with running my Frigidaire air conditioner. It only uses 400 watts. In cooler weather (80 and below) the thermostat cycles the compressor off a lot and I get a very long run time from my 300ah battery...up to 24 hours...but in Summer here it`s in the high 90s for months and that changes. I`d like to have plenty of backup for hurricane season and "free" air conditioning during the day and evening. 300ah helps but it isn`t enough for full time in Summer. Still it`s better than nothing and I can use the 20 amp plug in charger with my Bluetti EB70 power stations to add another few hours of run time if they aren`t needed for my freezer. We had three weeks with no power after two hurricanes in 2020...Laura and Delta. The heat was beyond brutal so that`s why I got all this stuff. I have a cheap "Tailgator" type gas generator too. Can`t afford to run it much though.
Your reviews are fantastic and make it both easy and hard to make a choice these days. Was waiting for an EcoFlow Delta 2 sale but this larger capacity unit for the same price is tempting. Can you help a novice understand the negative of the 110v output you identified. I plan to use it primarily to power a Setpower refrigerator. Thanks for all your great work
Just do some good research and see which one will work best for your main use case. If warranty and support are super important to you, you might want to chose Ecoflow over this one.
@@lilbunnybrit the 110v output is on the AC inverter. The DC output on this excellent and will work perfectly on your Setpower fridge (the fridge is better to run off DC power).
So Eco Play makes a similar model? Never heard of them. If it looks the same it might be similar. I haven't tested it so its hard to tell how it would perform.
I think it is a good unit and slightly better than the oukitel which it seems to be just a better version of the oukitel/ffpower unit. Probably made by the same company, but that is just my guess based on the look and design. Wish it had 120 volt output instead of the 110 on the ac and higher voltage input on the solar. So far the pecron 2000 I bought has had no issues and takes in over 66 volts per solar input, I dont have a way to test it to its full solar input rating without going over it.
This is definitely an upgrade over the P2001 units since it has the larger inverter, adjustable charging, and the 25 amp DC output. This and the Pecron are both great affordable units, each one has their benefits. The Pecron can definitely take in more solar but also has the external charging bricks. I don't think one can go wrong with either option.
Looks good, other than the poor capacity. Before the economy crashes, I may turn some cash into tangible assets, so a big power station is likely. The solar input range is good too. I need to review your spreadsheet when I get home.
It's a great affordable option. It has a lot of value for the price. It doesn't have all the premium features you get with a more expensive model but not everyone needs all those. Just depends on what you are looking for.
Really nice review. One question I have and I hope you don't mind, Can you use it laying down? I mean, with the screen facing up. I know acid batteries have problems with that but I'm not sure with these ones.
Acoustic amp interference also indicates it won’t handle surge draws well regardless of what they advertise. There’s no substitute for a heavy transformer.
Definetly true, if you're pulling huge surge loads it's probably best to go with a low frequency inverter instead. Most common household appliances do fine on these power stations.
@@Jasonoid I’ve seen these things fail the 1100 watt microwave test regardless of their advertised surge capacity. I notice most RU-vid testers avoid real world tests of surge claims.
@@JamesAmbrose48 ive used both my 10 inch miter saw and 1000w microwave off this same style inverter (the Oukitel and FFpower 2000w model) and it powered those load fine. The voltage does drop just like in your house when the lights go dim. It's hard to show everything in one video or it ends up being an hour long. I think I showed surge testing on the original Oukitel P2001 video. Both the microwave and 10 inch saw.
Hello Jason, I received my Fossibot F2400 a few weeks ago and also did extensive tests and made videos about it. It seems there is quite some variation in the capacity that can be drawn from the units. My own test resulted in 73% on AC und 77% on DC. A viewer of mine got 83% another 79%, both on AC. I contacted Fossibot and they replied that 6% of the actual battery capacity are reserved in order to prolong lifetime. Could be this is only true for my unit (because of bad cells?). We also found that the power plug for charging the Fossibot could shock you as there are around 110V AC between ground and both pins (our units are european models so 230V nominal ). There is very little current behind so it's not really dangerous but it still could shock people. I've also posted the official replies from Fossibot in my video comments if somebody is interested.
Nearly forgot an important issue - there's oviously different firmware on your unit compared to mine as well as my own unit turns off both AC and DC somewhere between 4 and 6 hours without a load. Just as information for people who want to run low periodic loads on the Fossibot - make sure your unit behaves like Jason's as soon as you get it.
Different discharge rates will get you different levels of capacity. Usually you'll see the best performance at 20% or a. 2C. I've seen pretty similar numbers each time I've discharged this one. I've done about 6 tests and they were all near the same number. I also saw your video about the voltage on the charging plug. I'm sure many power stations also have the same setup since the AC inverter, UPS mode and the charging circuit are all integrated. I haven't ever thought to test if having the power cord just hanging off all the time to see if it's dangerous with voltage. I'd just unplug the cable when not charging since there's no reason to leave it just hanging there.
@@Jasonoid Of course I agree about the difference in capacity at different dischrage rates. Thing si we all tested at aprx. 360-400W, pure resistive loads, so 0.2C as is the standard. Also our units are consistent in themselves as well, just not between multiple units. About the plug being charged - I wouldn't have thought about it either, one of my viewers found the issue so I made it public and asked Fossibot for a statement - which they kindly delivered.
regarding dual charging please also be aware of the following information from Fossibot directly: there is no solar priority at all and this can't be changed. Below 70 % SOC the solar input can charge in parallel to the AC input. Above 70% solar input is ignored and only AC input is used when both are connected.
@@mariokleidosty9175 thanks for the clarification Mario! That's good to know you'll need to unplug AC if you want to only charge off solar if the SOC is above 70%. That's what the youtube community is for, finding all these quirks and features and are almost impossible to find by one person and months of testing.
sadly in pass through charging the ground wire isn't passed through to the sockets... it's missing in this esv mode. ecoflow had the same problem and all powerstations were recalled
After ther coupon and codes this unit comes in at the same price point as the FF power/ Oukitel P2001. Same PV in, same usable battery effecnicy. The only bonus the Fozzi has is 400w more on the AC inverter and adjustable AC charging speed. Really bummed the AC inverter is 110V - Why Fozzi why! Besides that, basically the same unit just beefed up a tad. We are not going to see expandable batterys and smart app features at this price point for at least another 1.5yrs on B level sogens.
@@grindychum it also has the 25 amp DC output, but yes at this price point you don't get all the premium features (smart app connectivity and high solar input).
Great video. i just look at AMZ, it also has the same exact model but with hand truck for $1299 with $100 coupon off. It does not make sense why the on e in your video is $1399 with $200 coupon since both come out to be the same price of $1199 except one of them you get the hand truck with it.
They are both priced similar and have different advantages. The Pecron has more usable capacity and more solar. The Fossibot has the UPS mode and fast AC wall charging. Decisions decisions! Haha
The FFpower P2001 is a similar unit, this one does have the adjustable charging and the larger DC output @25 amps. I'll have to find a way to integrate the expansion batteries. It's hard because small units don't need them but large units do.
I have the FFpower 2001 and it is a great little unit. very similar, lacking only the charging input variability, although you can lower the charge speed by placing a load on the powerstation at the same time as charging, as the max input is 1100 watts and whatever load you place on it will lower the charging speed by that amount
Hello Jason, I got 2 of these for my Grid power backup Paired with a Sportsman 3500 dual fuel generator. 1. I want to get 2 REC 290 watt solar panels installed to each Fossibot 2400 Technical Specifications Model Number REC290TP2 STC Rating 290.0 PTC Rating 267.7 Open Circuit Voltage (V) 38.8 Short Circuit Current (A) 9.58 2. Can I install 2 of these in Parallel for each unit keeping the voltage at 38.8 while providing over 500 W of power. 3. does the USB C 100 allow me to chain these together Thanks in advance.
You even with ideal conditions expect to see 80 to 85% solar input. In your case 85% would be just under 500 watts. In general my understanding is most solar chargers limit the wattage (current) to the systems rating and it’s the over and upper voltage that can cause issues or damage. Good luck looks like a nice unit
Did you make that portable solar ground mount? Do you have another video about that? Or a link to where you bought it? I just purchased 25 used panels from SanTan and am looking to make a few different solar arrays for portable and semi-portable litium iron phosphate batteries/power stations. Thank you for posting about this unit. I'm seriously considering adding it to my current set up
Heres the build video, it's a little older but should give you a good idea how to put it together. It's held up REALLY well! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-agK3rrwSifU.html
Could you use the AC charger for this unit while using larger loads on the outlet of the unit? Example: would be to use an inverter on my truck @ 300w AC charging while using power tools that pull 1000w. This is unclear to me or is the ups always on?
Right now, the Fossibot F2400 is at €859 in Europe ($899 in the US) and it is very close in price to the UGREEN 1200 (€730 from the UGREEN EU store, or 899 if bought from a local dealer). Given that the Fossibot is one class higher in power, capacity, and connectivity, which would be the better buy with these prices? The question came from the rating of these two power banks which suggests that the UGREEN is a better unit (it's not very clear how much the different class affects the comparison between them).
Thanks. I thought so too. However, the rating system should be able to address that. The rating for the FOSSIBOT is F with a score of 5.5/10 and the UGREEN is a B with a score of 8.5/10/ That will be quite confusing for most people. I really love your channel and it's the first channel I go to when I want to check power stations, so if you don't mind, I would like to make a suggestion that I believe will make it much better and a really useful tool for everyone on the market for power station. Keep the rating as is, but make the score absolute. Instead of using arbitrary numbers for the scores, use numbers that make sense and are relevant to the actual performance. For example, AC capacity rating could be based on the actual Wh of the unit, minus the % losses, for example, the FOSSIBIT with the 2048Wh rating and the 1650Wh of real AC capacity should get 16.5(Wh) - 2 (for the 20% losses) 14.5 points for AC capacity. Fan noise could be measured with a real-world load, like charging through solar and AC simultaneously (if applicable) while powering a fridge and charging a laptop. Score for regular-use noise could be 10 if the fans don't have to kick in, or 0 if they do. Fan noise score could give 10 points for 42db of fan noise (which is the best in your list) and every 3db of increase in noise should take away one point from the unit. Inverter power could give 1 point for every 100W of real inverter power and half a point for every 100W of "turbo" power (or however they wanna call it) for example the Fossibot could get 24 points (due to the 2400W of inverter power) and the UGREEN 1200 should get 18points for inverter power (12+6). The charge rating for both AC and Solar could be valued by the actual Watts the unit can handle for charging, with 2 points for every 100W of charge. Battery technology could give points according to the actual benefits of each technology, for example, LFP could get 10 points for safety and another 10 points for longevity (since it will last approximately 10 times longer than NMC) while NMC would get zero points for either, etc etc. That way it would be much easier to just take a look at the score and figure out which unit is better regardless of price or class.
I never liked covers but since I charge stuff up outside, I always think about bugs. haha Love that charge speed knob. Its analog but something is better than nothing when you dont have app control. Kinda interesting that they went 4 usb ports and 3 are 20 watts. Dang a 60 would have been nice. Yikes @ the 25 amp port. I still need to figure out a way to use that. I have some ideas but I need to find a cable around here somewhere. I thought I was gonna be able to do something with those ACP cables you sent but they were both male I believe. Im almost kinda shocked at the size and would have taken it being a little smaller with the smaller inverter instead of same capacity and bigger inverter. But thats just my initial take.
@@Moes_Prep_and_Tech I don't have a tear drop trailer, or a small camper to demonstrate but that's how it would work. I am planning on doing some electrical mods in the back of my truck for camping so maybe someday.
thanks for the reveiw. Can't find anywhere the information about charging with solar panel. I know only, that Fossibot can input 500 w max, but how much Amperes and voltage ? Perhaps, this information is somewhere on the station?
I recently purchased this product and find it to be very good except I have an issue with the solar charging. If the unit is powered off and then the sun covers the solar panels in the morning, I get an internal relay clicking and the fan going on and off and it keeps doing that until the solar wattage reaches around 16w - 20w and then it powers on. Is this normal or do you think I have a faulty unit? Other than that, I think it's an excellent unit.
I have since started testing that on power stations and adding the results to my videos. This video was done before that process. That is normal behavior for the Fossibot and it's not broken. If you want to avoid the relay clicking, you'll want to connect solar panels after sun is on the panels.
@@Jasonoid thankyou Jason, do you see any other option that will compete with the ac200max solar input for the same price range. or is a ac200p still a option for 2023. im looking to max out for solar input with multiple renogy solar flex panels (175w/200w). thanks again
This may be a stupid question but I was wondering if you could run your 12v compressor fridge/cooler off that XT60 outlet? And if so, can you buy a XT60 to cig 12v adaptor?
Yes you can run a 12v fridge off that port. You might be able to find an adapter, you could always make a cable like this and just put an xt60 on it instead of 5521: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ylml-ogE3FE.html
Have you reviewed the Westinghouse iGen1000s Quick Charge Portable Power Station and Solar Generator, 3000 Peak Watts and 1500 Rated Watts? Looks like a pretty solid solar Generator?
That Westinghouse power station is an Ecoflow Delta in disguise. Looks identical in spec the the older Ecoflow Delta 1000 with NMC batteries. 400 watts of solar, 1008wh capacity, and 1500 watt inverter. Might be cheaper and better to purchase the Ecoflow delta unit from them. You'll probably get better warranty and support....plus their smart app connectivity.
@@Jasonoid im guessing there are only a hand full of Chinese manufactures that make the majority of these solar Generators ? so it is very possible there are clones in the mix.
@@Jasonoid i see that ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dvZ63UwVCDs.htmlsi=Si-99_T1LhmRDjxj Some times on the right shows 2 or 3, on the left always 10
This was crap. It arrived and did not charge from the wall even after following the troubleshooting. Support is hard to access too. Luckily I did it through Amazon so I'll get my money back
This is unable to be purchased in Canada (we have stupid battery laws) but is being sold under another brand called " Eco Play ". I assume its the same, just private labelling. Am I correct to assume this? Would ya'll take a chance? It's also about 100$ less than dealing with USD/ CAD not factoring having to use a reshipper / or pay gas fees to go to the US to get it (with an amazon discount code). And since it's amazon, I suppose I can test it and get refunded if need be - I just doubt Eco Play will be a company in 2 years if the warranty needs used - but will Fossibot be around?
I'm pretty sure Oukitel makes these units, at least the battery, and inverter are supplied by Oukitel and they let others rebrand it. Acevolt, FFpower have the earlier version of this model. Oukitel didn't release this same version unfortunately so it's not quite as good ( older Oukitel P2001). I don't know how long Fossibot or Eco Play will be around, Oukitel should be for awhile though.
@@Jasonoid Thanks! I think I'll pull the trigger - The main draw is the 25A dc output (w/xt connector) and pass through for my camper van. Would you recommend the AC200Max over this? It would cost me 700$ more (1500 vs 2200 CAD). Or any others with high DC output?
@@milbsssy1692 this is one of the best options for the price, especially for the high DC output. The AC200MAX is kinda in a different category with expansion batteries, smart app connectivity and higher solar charging. Hard to compare the two with the price difference.
@@Jasonoid Thanks again! Ordered - Tried using your affiliate link but unsure if it worked because I had to switch to Canadian Amazon - BUT I'll be picking up an iceco VL45 as well and will use your affiliate code. Awesome channel man, keep up the good work.
I am not that tech savvy but i would be grateful if someone can explain to me why in Jason's table UPS for fossibot f 2400 is 1100w when it has invertor that supplies up to 2400W While delta 2 max has 2400w invertor and UPS up to 2400w is that a mistake or i got something wrong ?
For the Fossibot, it only charges at 1100 watts via AC so it can only support a continuous load of 1100 watts while in UPS mode. I'll edit the EcoFlow to be 1800 watts in UPS mode. Thanks for catching that error.
@@Jasonoid no problem)) can you please explain to me UPS is when you connect ac cord into the station and the other side into the socket of the flat and plug all devices you need directly into the station, so when the electricity is off, devices use station as a power source. If so , then in what mode can the station provide 2400 w of power? And not 1100w only Also can this station be used to provide electricity to the whole flat , lets say if i turn off local electricity supply and get a cable that has European plug from both sides and plug 1 side it into the socket of the flat and the other side into the station , to create one big loop of electricity across my flat (including lights etc ) how much power can it supply in that case?
@@scooter_don8569 yes, that's how UPS mode works, you have your loads connected to the power station, and when the power cuts off, it will keep the devices going until the battery dies. Here in the USA we are limited to 1800 watts since that's what our normal 120v 15amp outlets can provide. The max UPS mode power would be 1800 watts for any 120v USA power station.
sadly in pass through charging the ground wire isn't passed through to the sockets... that's a dangerous design fault. Ecoflow had the same problem and all powerstations were recalled. Fossibot won't write anything about this dangerous situation on the website... just nothing
Thanks for the heads up on the grounding being disconnected. I'm curious how many people use grounding rods on their gas generators / power stations? I have never seen someone connect their portable camping setup to a ground.
@@Jasonoid no, you don't understand.... Pass through mode or ESV mode on means, the house electricity is passed through BUT HERE WITHOUT grounding. Take a minute to think about this dangerous situation. Why are all ecoflows with same dangerous design fault recalled 😌😌
@@Sandro667386 you can use any combination of panels, as long as they don't go over the max voltage input of the charging port. The power station will limit the amperage automatically.
it also looks an awful lot like the unit you were reviewing that had an issue you mentioned during a live stream, am i right or is it another one? also if it is the same unit, did they repair it, or send you a different one/ how did they fix it for you? thanks again
There are a few differences vs the P2001. This has a larger 2400w inverter, the 25 amp DC output (330 watts), and adjustable charging. The first unit was replaced under warranty due to the inverter noise. They swapped it out with this one.
I have sold all my Bluetti equipment and will be building my own system using Victron gear. These power stations are over rated and overpriced. They also have very high idle usage. Customer service from a lot of these companies are slim to none.
If you got the skills to build you own system then that's excellent. They have HUGE advantages over all in one systems because you save a lot of money and they can be repaired. I love DIY builds and I have built a few on the channel. Now in contrast, most of the people have no clue how to build something like that and the cost of having someone install / build it can be more expensive than one of these all in one's. Roof top solar is a perfect example of this. I was quoted 32k for a 5kw grid tie system a couple years ago... I'm guessing most of that cost was labor since the components only costed about 10k. I didn't end up going with that system, it was too expensive lol.
Looks really nice, with a pretty good price point, too bad it doesn't have a NEMA TT-30 receptacle (the standard 30 Amp RV), which could be considered a con. That would open up a whole new sales niche. Nice review, Thanks!
Yeah I agree it would add value. Usually the larger 3000 watt inverter power stations go with the larger 30amp ports. This can still put out 20 amps so you could just buy a 'nema 15 amp to 30 amp' adapter and connect it that way. Those adapter are fairly inexpensive.
