Four Men, One Murder, No Convictions | Robert Wone Case Analysis 

Rape and muerder

@@glorybloggerm1147 I think they paid the police, how is he attacked and raped and willing participant at the same time? they said his own semen is found on his anus? That doesn't make any sense. Who ever's semen that was, it's the murderer. This breaks my heart because if Robert were to be white boy, the news would be all over the world. Every one knows it.

@@cht2162 : Raped by men, murdered, tortured, marginalised & no justice. That just hilarious man. You must be great at stand up

@@AlbertHess-xy7ky Great point. People don't want to believe that but it is true statistically. I blame "botched" investigations by LE in most cases. And before somebody jumps on me about my feelings on this know that I have friends and some family in law enforcement and they all agree with me.

@@cht2162 Sounds reasonable to me. Good Grief. "Nothing to see here!" That poor man was most likely killed by his friends maybe in some sort of sex game gone wrong. Tragic.

I don't know if your screen name means you are a nurse or just a fun screen name but if you are a nurse what do you make of there not being any blood in the stab wounds? Do you think they could have been done postmortem?

Their lives aren't happy I can guarantee you that

they were charges brought but found not guilty by a judge , too much reasonable doubt

I checked, one of them has a nice Job advertising milk

They should all get arrested just for knowing who did it

There was evidence all over

That's exactly what they were charged with... I think they definitely should've been found guilty of _that!_

Cos they are part of the protected class in america, gay men with unnatural relationship arraingments and desires

I lean to the left and have absolutely zero issues with same sex marriage. With that being said, this case occurred prior to the country accepting gay marriage and gay marriage rights. I believe they really did have friends in high places. Had they been found guilty, the case would have shattered that political movement, and I truly believe the outcome was rigged for that reason.

Friends in high places, yes. Of the same persuasion. Homosexuals circled the wagons.

But they didn't do it well. Police found blood in drain and dryer. Realized the knife at scene was wrong knife. I don't understand how judge didn't convict on obstruction. Clearly all this was done in an hour so they were all in on it.

One was a lawyer - and they all had money.

Exactly..there was obviously a cover up with a pay off to someone or several people.

@@michaelwaninger3155 They did a perfect job. This was over a decade ago and they’re all free.

They did separate all 3 during interrogation and one of them even failed a lie detector test. But they all stuck to the intruder theory and never wavered from that as the good ole Dr grande noted

I don't think he had much choice.

The evidence was not beyond reasonable doubt

way too much reasonable doubt on who did it .

He had no blood and had been thoroughly cleaned. Y’all mean to tell me that someone broke in the house, committed the horrible crimes, then cleaned up everywhere and showered the guy all without the 3 residents seeing any of it?? COME ON!!! What person would assume it could be anyone but at least one of the occupants of that house?

@@jeffc1753 Not only that, but the "intruder" apparently made the 3 men who loved together all take showers before the cops got there, as well!

That's what I was thinking. Unless all three participated in some way. They might not talk, then.

They all lawyered up immediately because the one was an attorney. They knew what to do. Keep your mouth shut and say nothing. I think the entire system needs an overhaul.

@@kkheflin3 an overhaul with what? Water board murder suspects to get a confession? This case is infuriating that they got away with it but Eroding rights people have is t the answer and you’d want these same protections if you were unjustly charged with a crime

@@kkheflin3 that rule is put in place so ppl know their rights m u cant take that away.

The S&M discipline training must have come into play on this.

I think the trio was not convicted because the defense attorney asked for a bench trial as opposed to a jury.

Even circumstantial evidence has to point to who committed the actual murder. The problem here is that the evidence trail basically stops at "Someone who lives in the house probably did it." Which of course leaves ample room for reasonable doubt.

@@aldersmoke1 not even ample, that is reasonable doubt. "Somebody living here probly did it"

I was thinking the same thing. I guess it comes down to that 'beyond a shadow of doubt' line.

@@AlbertHess-xy7ky : Why was there not enough evidence? And why the bench trial? Less heinous rapes & murders have been solved with less evidence. Something stinks here.

I don’t know about that. I’ve met a lot of submissives who are actually the dominant partner in their relationship, and in some cases abusive.

This. The dynamic of BDSM relationships is screwed by default. One malignant narcissist and his live toys.

I don't think so! I think Dylan and Vic didn't stab the victim... the other one, maybe, IMO

Dylan was calm and detached, Joseph was defiant and dismissive.

The fact that Dylan said in the first police interview "i barely knew Robert" yes exactly, he out of all of them would have less qualms about killing him, he wasn't a dear friend. Whereas the other two were his friends, but also we're involved with Dylan; leaving them in between a rock and hard place: the perfect reason to obstruct justice. Dylan clearly enjoyed dominating people and inflicting pain on them as well as having the equipment to forcibly ejaculate someone as well as the equipment to inject it into him. What stranger brakes into someones house and forces them to ejaculate and inserts that into them and then leaves quietly? Also if an intruder did break in, he came prepared with the sexual items but didn't bring his own knife? He isn't interested in assaulting anyone else? Dylan had both the equipment that matches what was found to be done to Robert and he was the closest in proximity to the scene. Dylan was down the hall making him the only one that could get into the room Robert was sleeping in without making noise on the stairs. Dylan was also the only one who could not be accounted for because he was in his room (on the same floor as Robert) alone, while the other two were upstairs together. The way NEITHER of the other two would even admit that Dylan did at least have the access is strange. How can you vouch for someone with literally no proof of alibi? How can they say unequivocally Dylan was not in Roberts room when they are also admitting they were not only not with Dylan, but not even on the same floor. Also why was he freshly showered? The fact that the sexual assault was not taken seriously or even introduced into the court case is TRULY heinous.

I've heard that apparently if there is more than one person involved that is equally as suspicious, said-persons would likely get away with it. Basically "reasonable doubt" and all that.

That's the scary thing. It's almost worth keeping an extra person as insurance. Also when there's more than one person, police can play "mind games" - like, "you better get your story in first" or pretending that someone has talked when they didn't. It's just an all around bad spot to be in! 😳

@@loretta_3843 I believe this is a case of all show & no go. The investigation was a sham … the trial was a foregone conclusion. The flawless execution of true untouchable perpetrators.

I guess the key to getting away with a murder is to invite some friends over while you do it. Good Grief.

I hear ya... watched it last night. Those 3 guys are, just... 😒🤦‍♂️🤬REPREHENSIBLE!

dont be a sexual deviant

If a fight broke out, Robert would've had marks displaying this, and it was proven that Robert must've been unconscious when he was stabbed because there was so little blood everywhere. Maddening case... I think the real answer is even more twisted than that, and Dylan is my most likely suspect. They were on the same floor, just down the short hallway, they weren't close friends, he was missing a knife, etc etc etc.

It is disturbing and frustrating to me that they didn't have a jury trial. They may have been able to fool ONE person (as in the judge) but I doubt they would have been able to fool 12 people on a jury. No wonder their defense attorney got them to go for a bench trial. It was their best shot. And it worked. Sadly.

I think they all played a part in this murder. That would explain why the cops couldn't get any of them to turn on the others. If one or two were innocent, one of them might have talked. They usually do.

She threw out evidence saying it wasn't relevant. Shame on her

@@aimeek1236 🎯💯

What about the knife used to stab the victim, what happened to fingerprints? Also I believe all of them are guilty, they planned it in advance etc..

Saw that

I think in most cases you'd be fine. Just avoid people who have machines dedicated to doing things to people's anuses.

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It only takes 1

@@zenseed75 one what? one anus?

@@eadweard. That's great advice, eb. 😅

Yep, every time. He has a spooky ability to promptly proiduce the video you hope he will.

Mr Lubbuck's body had substantial damage caused by forced insertion (of a plunger that subsequently went missing) in the rectum. He drowned in the hot tub, then was thrown in the swimming pool where he was "rescued" by a dodgy celebrity. The whole investigation was flawed, there were "experts" who got struck off for dodgy science. It doesn't sound that similar, except for the death and no one to date has been brought to justice.

I've seen a documentary on that case. Very similar. Straight guy in a gay context and inside job in both cases

@@anotherblonde it was a square handled floating pool thermometer. Which the autopsy confirmed matched his "horrific" anal injuries. It was photographed at the crime scene, by the pool, but then disappeared after Barrymore's male PA 'collected' items for his boss. Barrymore ludicrously said a hospital thermometer could have caused the injuries ( they're less than 1cm wide )

It sounds like it was their compulsion for spilling their beans that got them into this mess in the first place.

I watched a documentary on this case several years ago. The issue that jumped out at me was they were never split up and interrogated???? Tough to turn one against the others in that situation. Plus with their background in law they probably knew better than to ever open their mouth and talk to the police and lawyered up immediately. It's tough for law enforcement to break someone and have them flip on the others in that situation. Very tragic and no justice whatsoever.

@@kkheflin3 Agreed. It's even more difficult if all three of them participated in some way. They'd never talk, in that case.

Or, he faked hysteria so he could hear the answers the other men gave to make sure he had the story straight.

All their reactions make sense, none are indicative of guilt or innocence. Self centered and aggressive could be due to hypervigilance. Tearful and unmotivated could be due to panic. Calm and detached could be due to emotional numbness.

Yes... unfortunately, there are some paralytic drugs that break down too fast to be caught in a toxicology report.

Great idea.

@@kkheflin3 Thanks! I don't have many. The conspiracy worked because they knew it would keep them out of prison. The legal system gave them the strongest motivation to stick with the conspiracy of silence. That motivation *must* be removed. In other words, could the conspiracy survive if the non-killer(s) ended up facing severe consequences, leaving only one escape route... to break their silence?

Unfortunately our justice system isn't that fair.

@@mjstow I think you are spot on. I wish the American justice "system" would ever consider such a thing. Do they do that in other countries? Does anyone know? The key to this entire case is in the conspiracy between the three. I can't believe at least one didn't flip. Part of the issue is one is an attorney and told the ones what to do to get around the "system."

Someone had to hear his cries no one sleeps that soundly. They are complcit.

I think the other two men were financially dependent on the dominant guy that owned the two homes. Maybe that motivated them, or maybe they're afraid of him.

He looks slightly built. Physically if one guy was muscular & taller/heavier you could possibly subdue him quietly & quickly, but a scream was heard.... In the very similar UK murder of Stuart Lubbock (3 gay men at gay star's house party, scream heard at 5am by neighbours) autopsy showed someone had knelt on his upper back.

Especially since they admitted to hearing the door chime. Yet the didn't hear the scream but the neighbors did?

@@Somegirl811 The guy that owned the two homes was the submissive, Joseph Price. Dylan Ward was the poorest financially of all 3, and he was the dominant.

@@Somegirl811 What an astute response! Spot on IMO.

Yes, if they have a falling out in the future, and one or two of them are innocent, then they might talk. Unless all three were involved.

@@AlbertHess-xy7ky It makes a difference for the family and friends of Robert at least. They want to see justice for the murder of their friend or family member. There's an old saying that "the dead cannot cry out for justice and it is up to us, the living, to do so for them."

Agreed

People think that is the normal reaction because that is how it is portrayed in movies. In fact I suspect many real-world hysterical reactions are affected to align with those media-driven expectations.

@@eadweard. true, but I was in a 33 storey building on the 17th floor when fire broke out on the floor below. (10 years after 911). At first people were calm. When the boss noted 10foot high flames shooting past his window & over rode the tannoy instructions to stay put, panic was most people's reaction. Normally calm, confident people who nothing ruffled, ran like **** for the stairs. I felt numb disbelief & went ultra quiet & went down 16 flights of stairs so fast I got dizzy . My reaction isn't typical though. And bugger "staying put". That's how people died in 2 building fires a few years ago in London. The stairs were clear, but firemen they met going down said go back to your apartment. The Dubai system were everyone gets a text alert & is out in under 6mins is proven to work. Edit: being upset is more normal than being aggressive, calm & detached. As a teacher for 20 years I witnessed quite a few serious playground accidents & went to A&E with kids & their parent so I've seen reactions in extreme situations.

Sometimes people get “hysterical” to prevent questioning or to give themselves time to come up with answers to questions.

@@sarahholland2600 Excellent points. As a teacher for 30 plus years I have seen very similar situations. People who appear to be completely neurotypical suddenly become erratic and hysterical and their entire personality changes in a crisis. That "fight, flight, or freeze" is a key element in whether people survive in many cases. In your own case thank God you chose "flight." Most likely saved your life!

@@kkheflin3 I've heard an interesting extension to describe common reactions to a threat or crisis. It's "fight, flight, freeze, fright, faint, appease".

It's not just "someone, somewhere": we know exactly who knows the truth.

Yes!

That’s the point you idiot, there’s loads of reasonable doubt and therefore a conviction of one individual would be impossible

Tons of reasonable doubt and Dr. Grande believes that too if you watched the entire video. It’s nearly impossible to know exactly which one of them did it and if all three were involved

@@MrBoothyboy1988 Why do you feel the need to call other commenters here names? Is that your personal way of interacting with strangers on social media or are you a jerk in real life too? Insulting people for stating their own opinion: 👎🤦

@@MrBoothyboy1988 Don't you think that's rather harsh to say to that person who commented by calling them an "idiot?" Just because they disagree with you? Name-calling rarely gets anyone to listen to anything one says and it's not an effective method of communication I have found in life. You actually brought up an excellent point about Reasonable Doubt but calling someone names won't make them listen to you. Just a suggestion.

@@Galaxie08 Thank you. I just posted nearly the same thing. I'm always amazed when people come off in such an aggressive manner right off the bat and resort to name-calling and then think anyone will listen to anything they say! In addition, for the most part, people like this need to go find another channel because I feel as if we have a somewhat tight "community" here and we all try to use reason. Just because someone disagrees with another commenter doesn't mean they need to attack them.

Exactly. A bit ago I posted a response very similar to yours and I think you are spot-on.

You don't understand the legal processes

A DARK Empath? THAT sounds most intriguing! Dr. Grande seems to have gotten away from making purely educational vids of late in favour of more titillating glimpses behind the scenes of current criminal enterprises.

The semen in his rectum was his own, which makes me think he was drugged, sexually assaulted in a way that ended in ejaculation, and then penetrated with an object that did not leave DNA.

@@irairod5160 ohhh 😮 okay? I still don’t understand? I just don’t? I’m sorry lol 😂

@@kellyb1420 No need to apologize! Do you want me to elaborate on what I think could've happened? I think I can explain without being too insensitive or graphic. It is so sad. Even if he started as a willing sexual partner, in the end, he was murdered. Someone did it and someone else knows how it happened. It's not fair that they all are living their lives as free men.

@@irairod5160 AGREE with you there 💯 Okay lol 😂 that’s fine. I will try and follow along? Idk 🤷‍♀️ to me it just seems that the Police 👮‍♀️ dropped the ball here? I don’t understand why no other DNA was found?No lie detector tests performed? Just something more should of been done? For this poor guy? It’s not fair? No Justice. I have a son and he is in is 20’s and this would kill me as a mother if this where my son Gay or Not. 🥺 Such a horrible murder for this young man, with NO CLOSURE for his family. 😒

Grinding? An unfortunate word considering the topic.. 😮

With respect I just watched the Peacock 🦚 series and he didn't say sutures.