FOX MVG | MkLeo (Ike) vs. Advo (Dark Samus) - Pools - Frostbite 2019 

I think the taunt was to make Samus more agressive in the match up

Yes How ?!

As a Samus main, I can relate

His speed coupled by his ganon sword range make it way too stupid safe to play ike like he only has two moves

this guy did nothing complex, all he did was neural b and then wait leoto jump into forward air range, really boring and mediocre gameplay

@@kidday4864 you obviously only watched the first 2 minutes

@@haidynwendlandt2479 it was was entire game of just that, thats says more than enough about his game play

I was gonna point out that Advo did a lot of Fairs but then I realized that was b/c of Leo's Nairs lol

Xrelent you don't really want to do any other Samus' air attack when you're on the stage....

@@John_Smith_ That's true. What about dash attack, grab, and bomb? Are those viable moves at their level?

Xrelent Samus' bombs might be good to sneak out of combos and her grab is a nice option to attack mid air, but all the moves you mentioned have too much end lag, making them really easy to punish :/ the dash attack is the faster but also the weakest

Samus: run-charge-shoot ... over and over again

WHY HASN'T IT BEEN FIXED YET

@@quotastrider801 It's not broken. The tips screen say its designed to not connect

@@danielbailey211 so it's intentionally broken .w.

@@quotastrider801 yep it's intentional but Nintendo has never actually provided a good reason as to why it happenes

Nair for my friends

Nair is off the charts

Me explicas?

And also for heroin

McB12329 no mkleo nair for his friends

Look for YB his Samus. He's the best one I've ever seen by far. Ofc it's personal, but thought I'd share it with you buddy! ^^

Esam 4head

Seconding YB. Most impressive Samus play by far, imo.

Yes YBs Samus is crazy. He got his own playstyle for her which is just crazy. The bombs are actually rly good

I really liked Esam and YB until I found Cruzloops. His bomb movement is amazing. YB has wavebouncing and Esam has really solid aggression.

He never tried to set up one charge shot resulting in only hitting with his best move like 10% of the time

How about all those neutral get ups from ledge forget zair fair fair bomb ledge hop whatevs

Then you got to see Quik with his Samus.

@@Zerolinked yb is better

@@live2die694 Joker's Samus plays a lot less lame imo

Exactly! He is a genius. Probably best Ike in the world. People are just haters

best Ike yet he seems a little predictable doign always the same things. I think if dark samus did some perfect shield on the neutral air he could won that

@@vince7256 Easier said than done.

@@vince7256 I think the more the player get better and learn perfect shild etc. Ike gets worse

Lol if he’s predictable do you think you can beat him?

Eww no lol Id rather not watch a spam battle

Its stressfull to play as samus especially against characters that can aproach fast and also snakes

@@_wave2278 what about nair upair ike

「YB」is a No.1 Darksums player. from Japan.

Fair spam?

Ike the new smash 4 meta knight

You must have 400 iq to nair as Ike

First Ike then Joker MKLeo is my favorite play- ResidentSleeper

Dave Cambrian or you can half jump it all the time. that... kinda works since his sword hits you everywhere and far away, right?

-UM EXCUSE ME THATS DARK SAMUS-

LucarioDXAuraStorm SHE

Omega Pirate and that's your problem with his sentence!?

Really?

@@VforWhatever 2 months ago, yes, now I've seen many more and that makes me happy!

@@samusaran9024 I now realize I didn't read the time stamp. Haha

Samus: run-charge-shoot ... over and over again

Quik

People will complain about anything lol, people will complain that leo bought a turkey sandwich for lunch. People are dumb

You have a VERY small window to avoid getting hit by his up air. It makes it very possible to lose to a bad ike player, which is always frustrating. Personally I think there are much more infuriating characters, but that's why.

PrinceofGames it’s not bro

Erik but isn’t that true for all kill confirms, like inkling up throw up air? I personally think it’s just that using nair looks like “spamming”, so people hate that. It can be very annoying to deal with an attack that can just be thrown out which not only is safe on shield, but leads into kill sub 100

I'm not talking about in his confirm, I'm talking about juggling.

Boom tendo Lmao

No, it's samus' jab that's bogus. It doesn't even work until like 130%

@@imoutofwater thats what he said you dumbass

Samus's jab is interesting. It's meant to be like it is, it doesn't combo into itself, but it's not broken or useless. One of the ingame tips says its safer to just hit once then retreat. You're basically supposed to just use the first hit, it comes out fast and ends fast(I think 3 frames total), its safe on block, you have to try and use it as a kind of aggression check.

@@maxhinchliffe5660 wait, if the actual game says that, then it means that it was actually intended to be like that? Weird

Silly McWilly it’s satisfying to watch

He’s trying to win a tournament, not entertain neckbeards on the internet. What difference does it make if it’s boring?

@@rorobear1940 that wasnt the argument

I don't think you know how difficult it is to connect a string of combos like that to kill.

@@blank7137 but he won it anyways haha

Jordan Cornwell Maybe try reading them, if you jump right as they're firing you should have time to punish. Also go into training mode and get used to parrying projectiles, I feel like it catches people off-guard even if it doesn't actually give you more reaction time. You can bait the charge shot out to get it out of the equation as well, missiles are much easier

Jorge Morales Ike’s nair is playing to win, the character is broken

DBZD do you know how many characters have broken nairs? lol stop complaining

DBZD “I don’t know how to parry”

THANK YOU!

Ben Jacobs i think people accept its winning but its still boring to watch, just like meta knight/ all of brawl boring to watch but meta knight wins (im not comparing which character is better btw)

Don't you say

It is sooooo boring... and I’m talking about Samus ofc it’s like watching melee Samus again wavedash back down smash wavedash back jab... so laaaaaaame

Samus, Belmont’s, and Olimar super boring characters.

Alejandro A they need to buff Samus. There are other projectile characters like Links and Olimar who aren’t punished the way Samus is. Ike does as much damage with two moves as it takes Samus to charge up for

It's because samus is so strong in a casual context, (which this game is designed around.) Seamus is straight up great in multiplayer FFA, especially on campy tourney banned stages. If they were to make her more competitively viable, they'd have to tone down her charge beam.

Erik Samus is competitively viable tho if you just play patiently.

Boom tendo Samus definitly doesnt need a Buff tho

It can easily be punished by parry but people don’t take advantage of the mechanic

Can we just pause for a moment and say how this mans wearing a mask and this video was posted a YEAR ago?!

Town & city

Samus did very well, but even I as a Samus main who is ok (other people say I'm good but fr I ain't lol) I think he should have mixed it up a bit more. More bombs, missiles to pressure, and dash attacks were missing. Same for up tilt and down tilt, but there was some in a match. Besides that it was very clean gameplay.

@@lutetiunn i was able to feel his stress and in that situation against leo? XD i think we all would have made same mistakes

@@simonzhang7008 No yeah me too. I've done the same thing many times against people

@@lutetiunn totally agree if he had played more in his face like he did at the end of the video he would've won he did do waaay too much charge shots that's why MK Leo adapted and took such a big advantage

@@simonzhang7008 I was moderately good in Melee, very practiced at Samus, but not tournament level.. In tournament, I would have made the same mistakes, but I would have still tried more than he did. Good or not, he play was pretty basic and predictable. I don't know if Samus is still nerfed in Ultimate, but I still think this guy could have done more. I just don't get why he let Ike get in at all if he was going to do basic Samus, he should have at least stuck to his boring game plan.

Esam plays regular Samus but still really cool. They’re 99%the same character anyways

Dr. Jay

Keep practicing!

Savante Estabillo do u realize how fast Fox is too tho lol

Savante Estabillo I get you commented this a year ago but Ike has a disjoint and a rather large one at that and that’s why he’s annoying. Fox doesn’t have a disjoint so you can go in rather than having to play defensive.

@@vroomvroomfam309 what's up. I think it's more than worth mentioning fox's nair comes out on frame on frame FOUR whereas Ike's comes out at frame TEN. Also, fox's run speed and air speed is 2.402 and 1.11 respectively. Ike's run speed and air speed is 1.507 and 1.134 respectively. Fox can effectively get in much faster and has faster moves. Sure Ike has disjointed moves, but that comes at a price - look how much slower he is compared to Fox. You might bring up Ike's airspeed being SLIGHTLY better than Fox's, but this is cancelled out due to the fact that both character's typically run and short hop when initiating, and by comparing the dash speeds, it's much easier for fox to do so compared to Ike as fox has almost double the run speed as Ike. So why is fox, AGAIN, off the hook? Maybe ten frames seems unnoticeable to you or me, but it's obviously noticeable to the top players - top player's have consistently stated how Ike is basically a parry test - this is made much easier due to Ike's moderate movement. To reiterate, a year later, I believe in this post even more as Fox seems to be outperforming Ike at the high level. I also believe neither character should be nerfed atm.

Savante Estabillo fair enough point my guy. Granted for average players like us Ike is a lot more annoying than fox but at the pro level it’s completely different

Pretty sure people call Ike boring because to be viable you have to fish for landing Nair which is boring as hell

Nah, it’s boring watching a character win because of one or two powerful moves. As soon as Ike hits a nair, the audience can predict what will happen next (Ike hits nair, hits follow up and will kill with up air or back air). It’s the predictability that makes Ike boring to watch. But I guess Leo abusing the bread and butter set ups also contributes to it, idk. Or maybe Ike’s kill confirms are just boring on their own

I have no problem with Leo, I actually really like his other characters but something about his Ike is just so repetitive.

Biffyguy Biffy i wouldn’t say its Leo in particular, it’s Ike that’s the problem. Leo is just playing optimally. Ike is just so bread and butter, it’s boring to see that all Ike has to hit is a nair and it’s gg to the stock

TAH TAH TAH TAH TAH TAH TAH TAH. Is that fun to listen to?

4.8B Views if they nerf her laser than they can buff the jab and the up air they just have to nerf the laser

YB?

@@GlubWub Youth Basketball

@@GlubWub The Samus God that every samus player aspires to be like ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-of3tIB-bpK0.html

This comment seems that you only wanted everyone to know that you're aware of who YB is.

Ike nair has very little risk and high reward since it is one of his few combo starters. Dark Samus could have won if he stopped firing full charge shot so quickly. Zoning characters are beast in this game

I think you aren't taking mkleo's actual skill into account not very fair to say that imo

I mean, Samus actually has B moves she can use, whereas in all fairness, what B move can Ike use in Neutral? He can only use Neutral B at ledge and Up + Side B to recover. And counter is barely a move.

curtis brown its almost like the best player in the world us actually good at winning.

MelsTheInkling dark Samus was baiting Ike, isn't that "fair"

Yea they’re just using their best moves

Bruh Ike gets free anything from nair. If Samus challenges Ike and misses she’ll most likely get hit with nair into a combo or death so she really has to rely on charge shot and basically all her anti air options when he jumps. That’s virtually all she can do in this matchup.

no because you can punish a charge shot. how are they remotely the same?

MelsTheInkling you’re an idiot

Aaron Meeks what video?

XZGears the boring thing is when moves are just obviously strong and win and other characters don’t have access to easy kills that way for no reason. At least Luigi zero death combo required precision input and practice. Stuff like Ike up and neutral air and Fox up smash just kill and are easy to go for. So it gets boring seeing the same moves cause they are so easy to kill with

Boom tendo who cares if it takes “ this or that “ mk Leo plays like 6 different characters

I see you on most smash videos with a new complaint in every comment section.

Cole Butler This isn't complaining, this is me pointing out the majority of this comment section.

Wringle Spottomire the issue with that line of thinking when it comes to spectatorship and competition they both go hand in hand. Without enough spectators there are no sponsors or huge cash prizes so spectators pretty much have the players by the balls. If players have the “always pick the best character” mentality it kills variety and spectators interest and ultimately makes the game less enjoyable overall. Look how Smash 4 went out, not well. They need to improve on balancing to avoid this issue.