Un fragmento de la secuencia de la película de Milos Forman en la que Salieri se encuentra por primera vez con Mozart y lee la partitura imaginando cómo suena.
Wow it's rare to see people thank God for bringing talented people. Keep it up dude! God always wants us to thank him for the good things he's done for us. ❤
Rock solid movie. What the character saleri missed in his jealousy was that he was given the gift from god to truly appreciate the greatness of Mozart when everyone else couldn’t because they didn’t have the ability to. He had the gift nobody had and missed it.
In my college years I had a wonderful music theory professor. One day he brought to class his violin and a cassette tape recorder. He explained to the class that he going to demonstrate Mozart’s,”table music” Mozart had written pieces that two musicians could sit opposite of each other and play syncopated. One musicians left to right top to bottom was the others opposite score. My professor started the recorder, played the score, finished it, rewound the tape recorder, flipped the music sheet, pressed play, and played on his violin the,”upside down” score. It was just spectacular! Mozart was an absolute genius.
I always wanted to play the flute and fortunately was landed with a clarinet, my teacher said it was one of mozarts favourite instruments, I played the table piece with my music teacher, it blew my mind, such a talent best wishes, we have both been introduced to the magical talent
Hola toda obra o película o guion teatral es fantasía basada en hechos reales en si nadie sabe cómo fue la real historia porque no hay ser viviente de esa época que viva hasta el momento saludos 😅
@@Luchin1203Me too. I’m 72 and in college I was blessed with a music professor and Wind Ensemble director who picked a small group of us to rehearse and play this Mozart Grand Serenade for 13 winds IRL several times. Thank you John (and Wolfgang) from the bottom of my heart. Unforgettable. 🎼🎵🎶❤️
This depiction of Salieri, for which F Murray Abraham thoroughly deserved the Oscar, was almost certainly fictional. From what I know, Mozart and Salieri admired each other, and the portrayal of Salieri as jealous and bitter seems to date from a work by the Russian writer Pushkin.
You are right. The director explained that he was not interested in making a biography as such, but rather he was looking for something that symbolized Mozart's life and was interesting to watch. For this reason, they based the film on a literary work that tells the urban legend that was always told about Salieri having Mozart murdered.
Salieri envious was just fiction, actually probably was true the opposite, as Mozart died in anonymity, poor and consumed by cirrhosis, whether Salieri was literally the best of the best of his times, rich, renowned and famous. Also Mozart in one of his letters said that learned a lot from Salieri's music. Salieri also taught Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt...
Everyone already knows this. It's literally always the first thing someone says literally whenever the film/play is brought up, about how it's all fictional. Nobody thinks it's real, that events happened this way. Absolutely everyone who watches it these days knows it's fictional because they immediately look up the film on Wikipedia and other places because it's an astoundingly good film and so they want to know more about it, and so of course they learn that it's a work of fiction. So you don't need to tell anyone this. Everyone already knows that Salieri didn't hate Mozart like this. What you've done is like watching a Superman movie and then making a comment going "did you know, Superman and Clark Kent are the same person? Clark Kent is just superman's disguise!“. Like, no shit sherlock.
What was "extraordinary" was that they all thought the audience was so stupid that they needed to see Abraham mugging so exaggeratedly in CLOSE-UP to tell what he was feeling? But of course, any subtlety at all is wasted on an audience in the U.S. They just won't GET IT.....
The use of music in this marvellous film is absolutely masterful- unfortunately the stage play was complete pants, so thank goodness we have this moving, sad and wonderful version.
¿Te refieres a la actuación ridículamente EXAGERADA para que incluso la persona más tonta del público pudiera decir lo que estaba sintiendo? Fue patético.
@@richardjohnson455 : Abraham is the one who won "Best Actor" thanks to the dumbass voters in the Academy who somehow think "good acting" involves mugging so outrageously in close-up that even the dullest audience member won't be able to miss what's going on. They may as well have had it flash across the screen in great big letters : "SALIERI JEALOUS! SALIERI SUSPICIOUS! SALIERI INSECURE! etc. etc. It was pathetic. And if you notice, those idiots almost always award an actor doing an impersonation of a famous person that they can recognize. (Look at past "winners' and you'll see what I mean.) That's not ACTING -- it's mimicry.
I have to come back here, often to, watch , admire the wonderful music and exceptional actors, my God ! They really made a great masterpiece of this movie,, ❤what talented musicians ! With great acting by F, Murray,,❤, making us want to go back in time and listen and appreciate the talent of a young man who died way too soon, !
One aspect of the plot that strikes me as somewhat implausible - not only in the context of the movie but also in the broader myth of Salieri's intense jealousy toward Mozart - is Salieri's almost fetishistic admiration for Mozart's compositions. While it's undeniable that Mozart's music was remarkably beautiful and brimming with innovative and fresh ideas, it seems improbable to me that Salieri, himself a prolific composer of his era with a portfolio of 40 operas, would be so obsessed about Mozart's composing techniques, most of which must have surely been known to Salieri even before he met Mozart.
It surprises me that nobody seems to realise (or at least comment upon) that the essence of this music comes from Albinoni's cello concert 9:2, second movement (performed with particular fervour by by Louis Jullien orchestra 1981). And there the oboe is even more penetrating into your body and soul than Mozart's more bland version.
You must have liostened to a huge amount of music to be able to make that comment. Often pieces were 'borrowed' in these times. The second movement in Beethoven's first symphony was taken from Haydn's clock symphony.
yes, of course, and the oboe is played very differently in different versions. In the 1981 version I mention, there is no ornamentation and the single note is played out for an exciting long time and "takes you to heaven" as Mitsuko Ushida says about the middle movements in Mozart's piano concertos.@@andresa.2360
He keeps the time and "directs" when the other instruments come in and how loud. If you sit inside the orchestra- it's hard to hear the tones the audience is hearing. Like a engineer on a sound board in a music studio
the thing with this piece tho is that the ensemble mozart is conducting in this scene consisted of 13 instrumentalists, with either requires them playing by themselves or with a conductor (the music mozart was conducting was know as harmoniemusik, which would be expected to be played by 5-8 players, but in the case of this piece it's 13, which might also be a reason of a need for a conductor)
Beethoven actually took lessons from Salieri for a period of time but Hayden was Beethoven's best and most accomplished teacher.If you know the different eras of classical music baroque,Romantic etc.Hayden pretty much created the classical style of the classical period or era in music .
No creo que se lo retrate como un inútil. De hecho, se deja en claro que en su época fue un hombre con una fama sinigual. Lo que, a mi modo de ver, la película busca transmitir es cómo Salieri se sentía un mediocre frente a, quizás, el mayor genio musical que ha existido. Es como si un jugador del RM de gran calibre comparte equipo con CR7 y queda entre embelasado y herido en orgullo por ver la excepcionalidad de tal genio.
"On the page it looked nothing". "The beginning simple - almost comic". "Just a pulse". "Bassoons - Bassett horns". "Like a rusty squeeze box". "And then high above it - an oboe - a single note hanging there unwavering until a clarinet took it over".
This movie still movies me so much! My wife and I spent several nights in the Don Giovanni hotel where much of it was recorded. A really out of this world experience!
I was 17 when I first saw that movie in a cinema. It was an experience that literally changed my life forever, because it was the one movie that turned me into a cinema addict. A perfect cast, a perfect script, perfect costumes, perfect music - and, most of all, a perfect connection between all this, as it can be seen in this clip. The way Mozart's music interacts with Salieri as if the music itself was a living being is so, so beautiful.
It was such a shame that the director chose to depict Salieri as a ridiculous caricature, by showing Abraham mugging absurdly in close-up, just so the dullest member of the audience would be able to GET IT.
@@RadagonTheRed : He played him as a caricature, exaggerated to the point of absurdity. And in close-up yet. It was painful to see his expressions. They may as well had it flash across the screen: "SALIERI JEALOUS!!" "SALIERI AMAZED!!" "SALIERI SUSPICIOUS!!" Of course, if there was any subtlety, a large chunk of the audience wouldn't have understood, because they need to have things spelled out in great big letters and pushed in their faces. That the "Academy" awarded such shameless mugging is one of the ways we know they don't know their asses from their elbows.
@@stevecarson4162 I don’t agree, and I think you’ll find that the majority of people enjoying the film won’t agree with you either. Of course, you’re clearly a highly intellectual film buff so you’d consider that majority beneath you judging by your comments so far. But I think F. Murray Abraham did a fine job of portraying Salieri. I don’t think it was overacted or inappropriate for the general tone of the film.
@@RadagonTheRed : If the majority of people are so dense that they wouldn't get it if it wasn't spelled out in great big letters and pushed in their faces, that doesn't say much for them. To see Abraham in close-up with such absurdly exaggerated expressions was almost insulting. But then, when Miloš Forman was aiming for the U.S. market, he knew that any SUBTLETY would be wasted on them. My niece often refers to "the American line" in a TV show, by which she means the part where someone will explain for the audience exactly what just happened, so that even the dullest viewer will be up to speed. British or European directors tend to give their audiences more credit for intelligence.
Plantea la lucha entre un buen músico y un genio musical, definitivamente de polo a polo. Los fragmentos del Requiem son enternecedores. Por ningún lado muestra el síndrome de touret del genio. Sólo trata su vida disipada y su mala administración de sus bienes.
Salieri is the embodiment of the music critics, who understand and talk about art like no one but yet are tragically unable to achieve a fraction of the real musical genius playing like kids on the stage in front of them. For me this story is very near of Forrest Gump, the narrative arc between Jenny and Forrest is quite similar. She fails to achieve success with his intelligence and beauty, while Forrest has a true and effortless impact on the world. Those pictures manage to show us the true and unfair definition of talent.
The "Oscar" should have been for "most shameless mugging for the camera". But otherwise, none of the dimwits in the audience would have known what he was feeling. It's pathetic that they need to have it pushed in their face or spelled out in great big letters. Any subtlety at all is just wasted on audiences in the U.S.
@@bimopi : My PROBLEM is seeing grotesquely exaggerated caricatures like Abraham's "performance" winning praise, while REAL acting talent is ignored. The "Academy" doesn't know its ass from its elbow -- which is why it keeps awarding stupid popular GARBAGE, while classics that will live forever are being shunned.
Современные авторы к сожалению не в состоянии сделать такие шедевры . "Вальс Энтони Хопкинса" - очередная попытка ,нашего современного автора, приблизится к уровню гения. RUS❤
SALIERI: "This was the single most enchanting music I had ever heard... it was like the voice of God himself had come down to sing to us." MOZARTl: "Ugh, no, don't read that. It's crap. Unfinished, unmitigated CRAP!"
Really? Then he should have told Abraham to dial it back a whole lot, because his close-up mugging was embarrassing to see. But of course, Americans, including the dumbass "Academy" thought he was wonderful because that way even THEY could tell what he was feeling.
