Frank Drake - Where are All Those Aliens? 

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We dont have enough information about our Universe to call this realistic one way or the other.

Phillip Robinson we’ll forget”realistic” we are looking for the most probable answer

@@philliprobinson129 We certainly have enough information about our own capabilities/limitations to say without any dispute that we do not have the ANY of the capabilities necessary to make even interstellar space travel even worth thinking about, much less a plausible possibility.

@@chuckschillingvideos no we don't have that at all. We can say we don't have that capability now, but our knowledge of our capabilities is always evolving.

@@philliprobinson129 this is an argument you can make in response to any claim. You can ALWAYS say that, "well our knowledge always changes so this could be wrong in the future." True. Absolute certainty is never possible. We can't know with absolute certainty whether or not the sun will rise tomorrow, whether other humans other than yourself really exist, whether you're a brain in a vat, etc. Our future states of knowledge will always change. Rather than state that obvious fact and say "knowledge will change so this may not be true", you should take what we know today and form opinions from it. If you say that we can't/shouldn't derive conclusions from what we currently understand in physics because it will change in the future, logically you have to do the same with medicine, chemistry, biology, etc. I doubt you would say that its not realistic to derive conclusions on how the heart works, or how hormones work using our current state of knowledge even though our state of knowledge if these will no doubt update in the future. It seems to me that arguments of this kind indicate confirmation bias. One wants something to be true (aliens exist and have visited us for example) and rejects the implications of all modern physics in a way they wouldn't with any other branch of scientific inquiry.

James Zelazny sr no its not,this guy is an idiot,who knows zero about space and time,and they have been visiting the Earth more recently when human beings started to play with nuclear weapons.

@@johnbravo7542 agree. I also think the nuclear weapons play a role. They saw these testings. They probably thought, how fucking stupid are those humans. Playing around with nuclear bombs, contaminating the whole planet. UFOs are real. They are advanced. Therefore they figured out how to manipulate space-time. Bob Lazar explained it and it makes all sense. A gravitational propulsion system.

@@johnbravo7542 😄

funny. and added to that fact, is that earth is not 'in a cluster' and would not be a horizon targe for 'good huntings' :)

That's a good perspective. Touche! Considering the distances, your remark may very well be true. People talk about reversed engineering before we have proof for life out there whatsoever. And while these people talk about wonderful civilizations among the stars, our scientists search for life in the form of bacteria. There we are today and that is what we know. But tell that to the scifi community who are one step ahead of themselves. They are beyond reason.

Another statement to add to the List of "we will never need more than 16MB of memory on our computer" among others.

@@tonyh9401 Far easier to reduce distances than to travel impossibly huge ones

@Zardoz Right, to the bravest belong the stars, to the timid belongs the safety of the "cave". In a cave you can not look up to see the stars. As for our destroying ourselves first: "When it is the darkest,..... you can see the stars"!!

Hajir Moghaddam the Fermi paradox is a bunch of BS. Their here and have been for quite some time. It’s time for the world to awaken! Just watch some of the NASA space videos or you could just click on me to see them. I’ve seen over twenty five of these things and captured a handful on video. Watch the four minute video entitled “orbs around us all the time”

We are in no position at our current level of understanding to know that for certain.

@@philliprobinson129 We definitely know many things. If they are “for certain” or not doesn’t really matter. For example, we know to a high degree that interstellar space travel will require huge amount of energy, that knowledge will not change. So not everything will be revised moving forward. A table will always be made of atoms, that will never change moving forward. Maybe we will learn more about them but it will still be made of atoms.

Same thing here, minus Jared Diamond.

Nerf Oreos LMAFO

Yeah. No. Sorry. Bad equation. Bad thinking.

How so? All he is doing, is trying to back up his flawed equation.

We need not be alone, in all probability their are other societies in our galaxy studying us as we attempt to study them. Intelligence eventually leads to the futility of inter stellar space travel and the more advanced a society becomes it realizes the impossibility of such an endeavor. We are having tremendous trouble mounting an expedition to a close Planet in our own Solar System. The problems faced on even this relatively short distance, less than fifty million miles, seem insurmountable, if we are to preserve and ensure the lives of he Astronauts. Imagine a trip to Alpha Proxima which is estimated to be some twenty five trillion miles away

it's not a dumb question, as even the very people who are tasked with trying to answer the equation, will admit that they themselves are not sure if what the answer actually is. factors with the universe, including our current primitive understanding of how the universe actually works, make things like 'searching' for intelligent life, is probably insanely difficult.

s cho I never said it was a dumb question, if that is what your implying. My comment was of irony, asking a guy who clearly believes other life exists else where in the cosmos, if he believes life exists elsewhere lol.

@@sunny-sq6ci I do not consider any question as being "dumb" Questions about science must be answered in the logic and reasoning of what is known to be true. For instance their are "UFO's" too many people, reputable people, have seen them, but a UFO is just that, An Unidentified Flying Object. You may not want to accept it but ninety nine point nine percent of them can be explained by science.. In so far as space travel is concerned, ask your self if you were going to make an automobile trip of a thousand miles and you didn't want to make any stops along the way, you must carry everything you will need with you, enough gas, some sandwiches, water or drinks, a means of relief if necessary, maps and everything else that you might possibly need.. Now lets extend that trip to ten thousand miles, every thing you carried before must be multiplied ten times. Logic should tell you that you don't have the room to carry everything you will need on a trip that long. Extending that premise to space travel imagine the logistics of a twenty thousand year trip for a bre minimum of twenty people. Do you realize that any energy source will run out in under seventy years.. Nuclear energy will be depleted in under sixty years and you would be too far from any star to tap its solar generating potential.. If this were not so NASA would have equipped Voyager's one and two with solar generating sails to compensate for the Nuclear energy source they both rely on at present Their are physical reasons why no solid mass can travel more than two hundred fifty thousand miles per hour in relative velocity and remain intact. What we call time is the primary factor that any intelligent society would consider before making such a trip and that is the why of such a trip. What could we learn from another being in twenty thousand years that we won't learn on our own in that same time. The universe works the same no matter where you are or may be in it at any and all times. What applies on Earth applies on the most distant body in the universe. . .

@@sunny-sq6ci Who are those people TASKED with uncovering Alien beings. Who assigned them to this TASK. SETI is a proven exercise in futility and as far as I know is a private organization bent on getting a signal from some alien society. Do you or they realize the wattage necessary to send a signal from any stellar body orbiting a star just to overcome the radiation of the star itself. Think of the wattage necessary just to communicate with Voyager one or two. Plus communications from them reaches Earth at wattage levels so small that it takes four or five large radio antenaes to decipher the signal. To send a signal from Alpha Proxima to Earth it would require in excess of a billion watts of power at twenty four trillion miles distance. Wattage decreases at the same rate as gravity does over distance.. What is the reciprocal of a billiion watt transmitter at twenty four trillion miles distance. This is why SETI is an exercise in futility. A billion watts of power would burn up any substance we know of if it were applied to it. Then we have that overriding question of, wouldn't a society so advanced to do this know these facts and not even make such an attempt. Get real, S Cho Intelligence doesn't engage in useless projects or they shouldn't when they know it has no reward of any kind. .

As I've just commented elsewhere: Distance isn't an issue with inter-dimensional beings.

@@mollykeane2571 there are always ppl who I don't know why are too opaque to future discoveries. I mean after singularity, it's probably peanuts for AI

You would be where you are now ...only sooner. ...lol.

Is that hitchhikers? It sounds like it.

exactly...humans cannot fathom the enormity of space...

We would have to freeze ourselves somehow and hibernate.

@@afterthefox Cringe

@@goyonman9655 ???

I don't know why they keep asking the same stupid question over and over when the answer is so stupidly evident; even with some billions of intelligent lifes like ours or above in our own galaxy (which is already a terrible large place to consider and it does not make any sense think larger than that), the closest neighbourhood would not be detectable and reachable by any means....

AI systems could travel far enough and probably have, not living beings.

@@erixoz8535 even for that kind of "life" (I would guess not super common) those iperlong trips are incredibly challeging, much more chances that something goes wrong during every trip they could make.

How would you know that? Maybe they use different types of technology to transmit information.

Who?

Well that doesn’t mean anything... I mean there’s more stars in the universe than there is grains of sand on every beach in the world. I bet we haven’t looked at every star....

true... but then again... ET will realize that humans are a destructive animal that is destroying itself and the planet... so like a zoo... they would probably hose the planet down with a human equivalent of weed killer.

You’re assuming other organisms will evolve exactly like us.

I find the zoo hypothesis pretty unsettling from an ethical perspective. There is a lot of horrible stuff going on (from child cancer to wars, sicknesses, abuse, factory farming etc.) and just observing that without trying to improve the situation might sound "reasonable" (aka Star Trek first directive) but really it's fucked up. Because all those victims who suffer didn't choose it, it's not like to people stepping willingly in the octagong to MMA each other.

@@johnxantoro5511 the issue with your view is thinking that an advanced alien race has anything like morals or ethics...

@@renaissanceman5847 But that is my point. It would be unsettling because it would basically prove that they don't live ethically.

It is exponential. Remember the distance covered by each probe is roughly the same, but they will eventually cover a large area. It's not really about covering a large distance relative to the starting point. If every star in the galaxy was lined up then yes it wouldn't be possible to do it exponentially quickly. But they're spread out.

maybe they just wanted to escape home cuz of catastrophic event that they've predicted through math!

the earth calculated by math will only exsist 12 thousand years from now on

its dumb saying not wise that the dumb once will try

They're both right. Sagan was talking about (sci fi) traveling at >99% light speed. Drake was talking about (reality) 1% light speed. Some day, with fusion or antimatter, we might go 10-30% light speed - not fast enough for time dilation to matter.

and what will be the reason that will stop us from reaching 99%+ of light speed? Also have you heard of teleportation? Why doesn't drake acknowledge teleportation?

Smart and knowledgeable answers to opinionated shady questions

@@rubiks6 Plenty of people have.

@@rubiks6 It doesn't mean it's not there though.

good mushrooms, huh?

I have witnessed crafts too. There are only 2 ways. Either back engineered or real stuff. I do believe in the last. There has been so many encounters as well down to abduction cases. I think they in secret try to develop a new hybrid race. They have been here for ages and we might even have been seeded by them. If you think that rock up there called the moon is a natural object, wrong. It was brought into orbit billion of years ago and does have a function. A good read, the book, "Who built the moon". What I am trying to say, not only do they observe us, they even seeded this planet with the human race of today.

But probably far more probable they aren’t coming here because of the distances which are astronomical.

ron johnson I guess we'll never be able to fly people use to say how out dated they sound

Try telepathy?

Because they don't exist. There are simply too many variables against the formation of life. We are, in fact, special on Earth.

Andre Williams inability

@Wild One Perhaps, but you certainly nail it that if aliens can hide what is (was) "really" going in the universe, then they could also hide many other things going on under our nose in the solar system. But that cloaking technique seems almost impossible. How could you do it ? A screen bigger than the earth?