Hey kahpyvara, can you imagine!! If Frank herbert was still alive today. Man! Oh man and see his reaction to the Two Part Dune films. Gosh. He would be seriously proud of his work to the core. And proud of denis villenueve the movie director.
Exactly what I was going to say. 🙌 Melbourne's Premier Andrew's is a prime example atm. Plus the cabal; hidden group of individuals too cowardous to show their faces, behind all of this.
I’ve seen in twice now in IMAX! You fuckin feel it in your bones. Almost a religious experience. Dune 1&2 are absolutely two of my all time favorite movies. They are both masterpieces. 2 and even more so than 1.
Perhaps my favorite part of this interview is that Gumbel seems to have actually read the books -- his citation of names, places, and their very distinct pronunciations. Seems to go beyond same old pre-interview show prep.
That is very true and I always loved the Gumbel brothers, especially Bryant. He was well read and made even short interviews interesting because he seemed genuinely interested and asked good questions
Readers of the book were rewarded so well by this version. Paul even expressed the distrust he had in himself during this movie. I wish Frank could have seen it.
@@jeevangopal482 why so? the movie loses some of the intricacies of the novel, but is a better film for it. i think some of the main themes are so well expressed, however, it amplifies the overall message to a degree i think Herbert would rejoice in. I think he would like the 2021 version a lot more than the Lynch version. i wish he could have seen it
@@paultrygstad4771 books = heavy political plots and elaborate well spoken characters and a ton of lsd. Latest movie = smoosh every celebrity imaginable and have them all quietly grumble. Sanitize everything questionable.
@@ZacharyBittner The movie is a completely different medium to the books. With the limited run time it has, it won't work to include every detail of the politics from the books and instead uses the audiovisual experience to tell the story. I think the movie did a great job at preserving the main themes and ideas of the book while making it just accessible enough to get new audiences interested in the series.
I can see Frank as a historian. Thankfully, he became successful as a speculative sociologist using novels as the vehicles of his ideas. He is terrific at articulating his insights. For instance, " Our government was founded on mistrust of government. We seem to have lost that mistrust of government." "Government is a shared illusion. When the myth dies the government disappears." We miss you Frank.
allow me to present you the symbolism in Dune: Paul is founder of Christian church. "paul" = little one. Kwisatz Haderach lies at the bottom of the bottomless pit. the angel of the abyss. Leto = stone. Bene = sons/daughters and stone; Gesserit = the Way. I am the Way the Truth and the Life. Rabban = master. He is also called "the beast" - Revelation 13:18. Dune is the Bible repackaged as sci-fi
@@criztu interesting point . Butt , i believe the author had NO "repackaging a bible" in mind when he crafted the novel . Human mind ofCourse , is always inclined to see analogies & references Mind is basically Memory
@@naneeleo823 I respect your beliefs. Kefitzat Haderech is straight up Kabbalah. I have presented only a few symbols in Herbert's Dune that fit precisely the Bible and Judaic traditions. Paul(little one) is the one and only begotten son of Leto(stone). Mithras, born of the rock. Paul first lives in a green, garden like, place caled Caladaan(kulud < kalada - everlasting happiness). Eden. Paul is banished to a land devoid of life, a desert, a wilderness. Temptation of Christ. Paul's mother is Jessica, who subdues others with her voice. the Witch, Zohar. Jessica rebelled from the program of Bene(offspring, stone) Gesserit(path). the character of Paul is basically Satan, Apollo(destroyer), Shiva the Destroyer/Creator. the Shai Hulud is the serpent of old, who was in Eden. Nachash. Serapis. Abrasax. So Paul achieves mastery over all sorts of satanic powers, to become God. This is in line with the teachings of the New Testament, where Jesus destroys the one who has the power of death.. the devil. I enjoy Dune's occult mysticism in the first book.
William F. Nolan is good, but he isn't one of the titans. I would agree for Phillip K Dick, Aldous Huxley, and Bradbury. Clarke and Heinlein don't need my vote, they're already among the most respected. I would also like to throw in Octavia Butler and Ursula Le Guin. Lets get some ladies in here.
Herbert seemed so down to earth and also sage-like with immense wisdom. He did a little bit of everything in his life as variety is the spice of life and wisdom it's accumulated experiences.
This is a surprisingly insightful interview. I guess our expectations are so lowered these days, so it's refreshing to see an author being interviewed without asking about fluff.
I used to imagine him as a mentat or a planetologist, just like Pardot or Liet Kines. Someone who is very close to Fremen culture but is not a real Fremen.
You left your comment in the wrong place; Gumbel doesn't interrupt Herbert. I greatly dislike people issuing comments that don't mean anything in the context they're placed and reflect that the commenter didn't even watch the video but still wanted to SAY something just to be SAYING something. It's times like this that make me wonder, "What is this person really trying to criticize, since they're making a criticism that isn't reflected in the video?"
@@jamescarter3196 No, he didn't interrupt him. He just rushed through this interview. It would have been so much more enjoyable if Frank Herbert just sat there and spoke about whatever came to his mind and Bryan Gumbel wasn't there at all.
@@jamescarter3196 I know right? I loved the interviewer. He asked thought-provoking questions. He made insightful comments. We got some deep meaningful answers from Herbert. It was an enjoyable back and forth chalk-full of meaningful conversation. It was actually refreshing to watch- especially compared with the garbage levels of banter we get on the news today.
People seem surprised that Dune was written in 1962 but remember one of the best selling books of the day which was soon to be made into an Oscar winning movie was Lawrence of Arabia
Jesus, that host. Herbet begins to talk about interesting stuff like how he's influenced by jungian psychology and the host just shuts him up with some stupid ass question. Would have loved to hear these thoughts..
Despite the best intentions, power corrupts. A seemingly simple axiom. But, when told against the canvas of the Dune universe, it becomes great literature.
Yeah thats why dune messiah is sooo good. He rejects that power unable to handle the immense weight and guilt his actions cuased. Any good person seeing their corruption would flee from it.
I didn't particularly like Bryant Gumbel at the time, but now I respect how astute of an interviewer he was, among other things. Where is this type of talent now in the newsroom?
Leto II isnt just a humanoid, thats the tragedy. He is still very human, even with his god powers. This is a major plot point in GeOD, the people of IX tried to lure him with a girl named Hwi Noree to stray from the golden path.
It's a shame he died two years after Lynch rather mediocre Dune movie. I wish he could be alive today to see Denis Villeneuve's take on it. I'm so absolutely confident that his movie will be a timeless masterpiece.
Lynch's movie was about as good as you can make a _Dune_ movie (which is not terribly good, since complicated stories don't translate well to visual media).
Villeneuve's movie will have that dude who was in that King Henry movie, play Paul Atreides. a disaster, like that other dude who played in Besson's Valerian 1000 planets.
I think it will be remembered, but I do not think it will be viewed as an amazing film. It's gorgeous, and it sounds amazing, but the character development is extremely shallow, and there was plenty of room to build more of the world and more of the philosophy, but we got a lot of brooding pretty faces instead. Yes, film is a visual medium, but Villaneuve is notoriously materialist in his visual style, rejecting the kind of dreamlike visual language that could have given us far more to chew on without relying on the dialogue he so dislikes.
I remember that s all it was. But look around on youtube and you will find many others. Very good ones. Some days they are hard to fin. But they are so worth it.
@James Black house/home=country. They've All fallen. we're all homeless. (Or maybe it's easier to believe that our governments, elections, wars, News, are actually "real." )
this has always been the problem here in the US, the interviewers have to take the role of the mindless consumer dolt - never able to get to anything of substance.
Easily Dune, Star wars with all it's hype has no lore, it's all about sith vs jedi, nothing the middle. Star Trek is great but thanks to shitty writers it's now not moving anywhere. But Dune, man the first book alone has more depth to it than the whole sw universe. I also dig the Foundation by Asimov. Would love to see a series of that as well.
He comes around as the most chill guy ever, while also being wise and incredibly well-spoken. I wish he was still around. I'm sure he'd love Villeneuve's adaptation. Dune is such a timeless story, it feels like it was written yesterday, not almost 60 years ago.
Agree... i mean dune had put forward ideas 100 years before their time, talking about ai in the 60s, and genetic engineering, i mean the dragonfly ornothopter is still the best idea for a flying machine anyone has ever made, can go from helicopter to airplane in a second
No, he wouldn’t. Changing Liet-Kynes to a black woman in Oder to service the current year race and gender obsessions completely undercuts the character as written. He was an imperial gone native. They butchered him in the movie so that there was no reveal, no exploration of his evolution. It was POC/White people and terribly mishandled because everything must be dumbed down for The Message™️ and the ideology.
Extremely so, this is often the case with old interviews. I wonder if this is because only the good survive or simply they were more competent. Perhaps a bit of both.
Very quick and responsive back and forth, makes me admire Herbert for being able to respond as quickly in a context where you don't have a lot of time unfortunately and it makes me wish it had been a longer format, I felt like the intervier was very good at knowing where to interject and Brian able to condense. But again, can't help but think what we could have gotten out of this if it had been 20 or 40 minutes.
"I write science fiction for people who don't read science fiction" - This is like 100% truth for me. I generally don't like sci-fi or fantasy that much but Dune is the exception.
And Lynch delivered. We just got betrayed by Dino De Laurentiis and Raffaella who meddled way too much with Lynch and were the ones to be blamed for the stupid decisions to cut this epic down to a mere 2 hour movie and not even letting Lynch have his Directors Cut. Make no Mistake, Lynch shot an absolute Epic that really does the book justice. However we never got to see the Epic he REALLY shot. You get a glimpse at it with the theatrical cut and a bigger glimpse with the stupid TV cut. We need an actual Lynch Directors Cut that runs well over 3 ½ hours at least. However seeing how David basically avoids Dune like he's having PTSD from it, that may never happen…
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 have you seen this directors cut? I'm guessing no. So how the fuck do you know it wasnt just as bad as the 2 hour dogshit they pushed out. More dog shit doesnt equate to an EPIC...... David Lynch made a shit movie with way too many liberties.
read til the third book.. it got so slow and bogged down in religion and ... gave up reading any more of the dune series... thank goodness for the babylon 5 series....
@@hadeseye2297 i really enjoyed the first book... if you haven't yet see the short series made of the first and second books... years back ... better than the movie (much better!!) and truer to the books....
Damn shame that he died at only 65, in 1985. We could have used a few more decades of this guy. Imagine if he'd lived into the 21 Century. Climate change, a meaningless war against fanatics in the...desert...many issues that he would have a lot to say about.
@@kayrosis5523 Today, a month into the COVID19 pandemic, the United States has more dead than all its military casualties in the entirety of the Viet Nam war. To a large degree this is because of Federal government inaction, and as of now no end in in the escalating death toll is in sight. This is the direct result of the ideology of a president who was elected by those who reflexively "mistrust government". Herbert's view was fashionable at the time this video was made, and that's why Gumbel didn't challenge him during the interview. More's the pity: if this "fashionable" view had had more critical pushback then, the catastrophe we're living now might have been mitigated. Lucky for Herbert he didn't live to see the consequences of his ideology in action at the highest levels. The sins of the fathers...
Regardless of what anyone thinks of the movies, Dune is , as far as I'm concerned the best piece of literature I've ever read. I can still reread each novel in the series and still realize I've missed aspects of the story. In effect I think Frank Herbert is / was a modern day prophet.The integration of Melange to improve / enhance human consciousness, AI and it's impact on humanity, the cast of characters and their personalities is a work of genius as an author. (How did Frank Herbert fit his imagination into his brain, and then his brain into his skull?!). Dune's storyline / plot makes Star Wars plot / storyline read like "Goldilocks and the 3 Bears" I doubt that anyone could effectively make a Dune movie .... the original novel itself is maybe 4 movies in its own right I think. If done properly it would make someone a lot of money though.
+Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad I don`t know Witcher, but as long as ASOIAF goes, George Martin is just an OK writer, dull prose and lack of concept above the facts make the saga just a retake on some historical pieces. ASOIAF lacks of narrative ambition, it`s good literature, still, but don`t even close to the monument of Dune, and if you consider Dune chronicles as a saga, the superiority of the concepts made by Frank Herbert (how power and messianism are just parts of the human evolution, the nature of energy on ecologism and the decadence of the "species" concept itself, among many, many othr ideas put on the whole story) is just overwhelming. Great Sci Fi authors like Stanislaw Lem or truly world creators as Ursula K. Le Guin or Tolkien are the few who can compare their works to Dune.
+Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad I have read both and none of the books from those two franchises reaches the heights of the first Dune book. They don't even come close... Witcher books especially.
+Corven Icenail ASOIAF's central weakness is that its overarching themes are either not strong enough or strongly communicated enough to support its very meandering path. Without powerful unifying themes it doesn't matter how good the characters and worldbuilding are, the whole thing veers into medieval soap opera, which is fine unless you are trying to be ranked with Tolkien, LeGuin, Herbert et. al. I think Martin got carried away with moving the chesspieces on the board and his obsession with overturning genre conventions by murdering important characters and neglected the larger story for too long. Book purists are angry at the tv show for rushing to the climactic showdown when that is just what the series needed, a kick in the ass, regardless of the numerous screw-ups the scriptwriters have made. Then again, I also feel Herbert's production became uneven after the awesomeness of Dune. Dune Messiah had great themes but lacked epic scope. Children of Dune returned to form and could have formed a satisfying conclusion to the series if not for it being left unclear what Leto intended to do with his godlike powers (unless that was hinted at...I can't remember), which could have been covered with an epilogue. God Emperor could have been a novella, it was a slog until the final act, and parts of it were just bizarre. But then Leto's grand design was finally fulfilled, and I feel that Herbert should have stopped there. The Atreides story was complete. Humanity was free of the trap of prescience and reliance on one leader. l did not find the last two books memorable and I get them confused in my head. Strictly IMO, of course.
AllSeeingEye of God Dune as Mohammed? Sort of. Touch of Lawrence of Arabia, 60s druggie culture & ecology, OPEC (CHOAM), Theosophy with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Nietzsche.
As a person and author, one aspect of Frank Herbert that fascinates me is that he seemed very enthusiastic about the idea of adapting his novel into film, and was not really concerned about what other authors may construe as the misinterpretation of their work. He apparently liked the 1984 Lynch film, despite its notorious wackiness (at least in my eyes), and it goes to show that Herbert wrote Dune in a metaphorical sense and with flexibility in how the story could be portrayed. For this same reason, I think he would have greatly enjoyed and respected Villeneuve's ongoing film saga.
