Frank Zappa debates Tipper Gore, summer 1987

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Frank Zappa (in L.A.) in a debate with PMRC honcho Tipper Gore (from Washington, DC) over placing warning/rating labels on record albums, in a television news broadcast from summer 1987. The BetaGems channel also has "Dweezil Zappa 9-5-86 Rock 'N' Roll Hair video essay," "Frank Zappa interview & profile Cover Story 3-15-89 TV report," "Frank Zappa November 1985 TV interview & profile," "PMRC Senate hearings 1985: Dee Snider, John Denver, Tipper Gore," "X-Rated Rock Music 1987 TV news report with Tipper Gore of PMRC," "Frank Zappa 10-31-83 late night TV appearance," "Moon Unit and Frank Zappa TV interview 2-1-84 daytime TV show," "Z (Frank Zappa sons) with John Tesh 3-3-95 late night TV performance," "Frank Zappa 6-19-89 describes cancelled network talk show plans," "Frank Zappa takes listener calls and talks Mothers lawsuit August 1985," "Frank Zappa & Pamela Des Barres (GTOs) March 1989 TV interview," and "Dweezil & Moon Unit Zappa - Born Famous March 1989."
BetaGems are culled from an archive of over 1000 beta video tapes recorded from 1983 into the 1990s. Most feature live music performances broadcast on television in San Diego CA, though there are also rarely seen commercials, comedy clips, old TV news segments, made-for-TV movies and documentaries, religious programming, variety shows, talk show interviews, and other material that doesn't seem to be anywhere else on RU-vid or online. Most of the tapes were recorded on a Sony SL-HFT7 Super Beta Theater Hi-Fi Stereo - the same model was refurbished and is being used for these digital transfers and uploads.
In rare occasions where a BetaGems clip does appear elsewhere, we're only uploading if our own beta master is better quality or contains material not seen previously. Much footage comes from public television and public access broadcasts that the taper, who worked for a local cable TV production company in the 1980s, monitored nightly for several years. Some of the programming is strictly regional, mostly from the San Diego area.

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@timmyflipz 3 года назад

The fact that Zappa only speaks when spoken to makes me have a lot of respect for the guy

@aheckers 3 года назад

He was a very thoughtful person.... If you can't think ~why should anybody listen???

@duster71 3 года назад

What did you expect from him? This isn't SNL.

@mikemorrison270 2 года назад

Zappa sets a good example.

@bearbravehawk8262 Год назад

he's smart and a decent guy

@YungM.D. Год назад

This was actually much more common on older TV shows/debates; the “yelling over each other” moment started around the 90s

@Meridian-lk2fo 3 года назад

"sexual pornography"? as opposed to what, platonic pornography?

@jonaseggen2230 3 года назад

Social pornography maybe?

@gekyumerising3152 3 года назад

I'll have mine violent thanks

@ericmoore7413 3 года назад

Nekkid ping pong. With a straight face. Very wholesome.

@darkdude521 3 года назад

We're talkin' HARDCORE CUDDLIN'!

@Leatherface123. 3 года назад

Grotesque pornography

@ThatGuy-y2c 3 года назад

“I think the entertainment industry should do a better job of raising my kids.” - Tipper Gore

@ericmoore7413 3 года назад

I think the Government should control the kinky thoughts within Tipoer Gore's brain. Naughty girl.

@idamehrnoush8833 3 года назад

@benjamin, spot on.

@Leatherface123. 3 года назад

She’s a hypocrite

@erichwagenknecht9370 3 года назад

They would have down a better job. Then the gores

@richardselby1711 3 года назад

I think you missed the point. The garbage that kids watch does have a negeitive effect. Tipper made several comments about not stopping the market but simply setting a rating of different categories. I'm just curious if you read food labels to determine what's healthy? Perhaps you don't, but there are people who do. If that's not the general consensus we put it to a vote. If it passes great if not then the people have spoken either way, that's reasonably fair, don't you agree? Frank made some valid points, we should have the freedom to make our own decisions and use the OFF button instead of the Government regulating what we watch and do. I agree with his thinking on that point. I don't see the problem with rating categories as long as it doesn't require massive amounts of money and government oversight.

@mike196212 2 года назад

Was never a fan of most of Zappa's music, but I always saw him as a genius,honest and funny. He was the real thing,someone who suffered a ton of fools,including a fake liberal like Tipper Gore. We really need someone like him again.

@missmoxie9188 2 года назад

My stomach turned when they called themselves the “Washington Wives” like a play on Stepford Wives. Liberal my ass. She’s such a jerk

@jonmyers8681 Год назад

I feel the same, I love some of his music but not all of it, and I don't think he was very funny. But he was a genius.

@rikd5452 Год назад

Fake liberal? She was as controlling as today's average Democrat politician.

@druffner 10 месяцев назад

Fun fact, Frank and Tipper were actually friends. Tipper even played drums on his daughter Diva's song, "When the Ball Drops." It isn't a very good song.

@mike196212 10 месяцев назад

That's wild. Never would have thought they'd get together like that.

@hannanathan564 5 лет назад

Wow... They treat Zappa like he's an idiot when he's a freaking legitimate genius.

@taunoctua245 4 года назад

They didn't know what they were walking into. I relished their ignorance.

@360psyco 4 года назад

@Gracchus Babeuf I like how Zappa wasn't playing the game at all especially at the end.

@ivdddoxiemama7275 4 года назад

Hahaha not at all!

@raceyboy 4 года назад

Frank was speaking on another level completely.

@davidrichardson6749 4 года назад

Well, they say that the thought process of an individual becomes foreign to people who are 20 or more iq points away from the individual. What I mean by this, is the thought process of a 100 iq individual is pretty much incomprehensible to an 80 iq individual, and vice versa. same with 120 to 100, 140 to 120, etc. I think that plays a big roll in these debates. They have no idea what zappa is talking about and can't even comprehend it, therefore he must be stupid.

@aharris9464 3 года назад

We all owe Frank a debt of gratitude. While a lot of us were children (others not yet born) he stood up to high power politicians to uphold the constitution. What's ironic is tipper being a Democrat, the supposed "free party" yet here they are trying to censor things. Frank fought for our freedom of expression. This, along with his testimony with Dee Snider at Congress was a very monumental part of American history.

@rc59191 2 года назад

Fun fact about Democrats and Republicans both want to control you and your life one way or another. Republicans want to control what you put in your body Democrats want to control what you put in your mind.

@carlosdanger6129 2 года назад

Democrats are still fascists

@richardmetzler5328 Год назад

Yes!

@shelflife3867 Год назад

The Democrats have always been into censorship. They tried to have Huckleberry Finn, Lord of The Flies and other classic literature pulled from the libraries in the late eighties and early nineties, spearheaded by a liberal group known as The American Way, Nothing new here. Americans need to finally wake up and see what the Democrats (founders of the KKK btw) are really all about.

@warzone6700 Год назад

Hello Trumpie

@palix5925 3 года назад

Once again...Frank Zappa was completely right.

@3dartistguy Год назад

He said just putting warning labels on these records was for taking over the world, which didnt happen. And he said that children need thtese violent lyrics to convey to them drugs are bad. Wasnt there a much more nicer way to convey thtat too them then violent lyrics containing messages of suicide, rape and masterbaition?

@3dartistguy Год назад

completely WRONG.

@Qwertyuiopaz 5 месяцев назад

@@3dartistguyHe didn't say kids NEED that stuff to show them that its bad, he just said that it could happen. His main point was that people should just listen to the music at face value rather than hide from it. If you cannot listen to a song without engaging with it and coming up with your own opinion on it, then thats your fault. If a certain aspect of music gets banned more and more stuff will keep getting removed until it becomes souless and cooperate. Just look at mainstream music right now. Everything feels samey and safe. There's lots of good bands out there that don't get radioplay because they're not listener friendly enough. Zappa completely predicted this

@3dartistguy 5 месяцев назад

@@Qwertyuiopaz Frank Zappa was just a scuzzball. There are warning labels on everything, on magazines, there's the movie rating system, there's even something called the family viewing hour for children on television with more adult content aired on at later in the evening. And no putting warning labels isnt takiing over the world. No one is preventing these songs from being heard but again, nothing wrong with protecting innocent children with warning labels.

@BBlack70 5 месяцев назад

@@3dartistguy yeah, the point we are making (and the reality) is that not only putting labels like that doesnt work, it actually produces the reverse effect (as stated by Frank in this video,a lot of music or B-movies had success just because they had the R, its a well known phenomenon, thats why suggesting solutions like "Labels" its just an hypocrite way that bad parents choose tò justify their mistakes). PS. Positive language unfortunately DID take over the world

@soupdujour5807 3 года назад

0:48 the cut to Zappa's dark figure looming over the interviewer like a sci-fi startrek transmission is hilarious

@matthewmuziani1961 3 года назад

I love how he brings up the real reason to be outraged, the Iran contra

@tommyeye7899 3 года назад

Boom! Exactly! Currently, the potus is focused on digging up the past. Seriously? Wtf? There are far more important issues that need to be addressed. Leave the past in the past. A totally disgraceful contradiction by the majority who rally around the "change is the only constant". Nothing changes when you live in the past/dig up the past. Ashamed of what's been going on in 2021.

@biggusdickus1689 3 года назад

@@tommyeye7899 Understanding history is crucial to understanding the world today. Mistakes can't be learned from if we never know they happened. Diggin up the past in the name of some underlying political motive is sus but awareness is rarely a bad thing if you can see through the narrative

@hazeshi6779 Год назад

I second the comment from Mr biggusdickus

@carpballet 29 дней назад

@@tommyeye7899. Your straw man argument is as bad as Frank’s. Lol

@gmic56ify 3 года назад

I watched faces of death as a kid, it turned my stomach. Talked to my father about the movie. He watched it, and talked to me on how it made me feel and gave his criticism on the film. I wasn't a fan, he wasn't a fan. Both of us went on to never imitate anything in the film. People like Tipper Gore wanted a corporation to be able to control what a kid sees instead of a parent like she claims while her husband was voting yes on conflicts overseas that killed innocent woman and children.

@Spooky_515 2 года назад

I watched it when I was 10 in ‘88, didn’t have a mom or dad to tell me no let alone coach me. It was curiosity and I sought it out because of programs like this saying this is the last thing a child should see lol. Not only have I never assaulted someone, I’m very empathetic to the point I have to watch people taking advantage of my kindness.

@millardfillmore1331 Год назад

And he remained a REMF in Vietnam thanks to Dear Old Senator Dad..AND..Climate Change conman burning more fossil fuel than any 250 of us......Again, it always falls down to lazy assed people expecting somebody else to do their job and lots of kids being left fallen on the battlefield of cinematic largesse.

@3dartistguy Год назад

He said just putting warning labels on these records was for taking over the world, which didnt happen. And he said that children need thtese violent lyrics to convey to them drugs are bad. Wasnt there a much more nicer way to convey thtt too them then violent lyrics containing messages of suicide, rape and masterbaition?

@guitarreilly 26 дней назад

Sorry but how is that her fault what her husband was doing?

@NineToes821 3 года назад

Anybody else miss the days when you could watch an interview/debate like this and you could actually follow and keep up with the conversation, because it wasn't just a bunch of pompous, self-important jackasses talking over one another?

@blackcatsandpoppies 3 года назад

Yes!!

@dadoleyna 3 года назад

What I miss, regardless of the positions and vigor of the opposing ideas, is journalists who don't obviously take sides or interrupt or interject incessantly.

@melissaonesalt 3 года назад

Love this!

@Money_Shot-j8u 3 года назад

@Wadly Pashad are you really trying to say Zappa was pompous and self-important? Lol

@luvbasses5487 3 года назад

...they’ve slowly but surely eroded our social debate. Cancel culture has neutralized society...and the virus parted people even further now. The fear has been instilled. We’ve been sold out by the government. I’m completely disgusted by these mental cases who are in charge. It’s all part of the big plan.

@JustinLHopkins 3 года назад

Wow, a civil conversation. I miss those days.

@Jedizen07 4 года назад

Here’s an interesting factoid, stated by Frank prior to his death. In 1992, when the press stated Frank was ill, Frank said the Gore’s sent him a letter expressing their concern for his health. He said he was moved by their letter.

@TheKitchenerLeslie 4 года назад

He was moved? I remember him saying he thought it was "nice." Simple public relations on their part. Water finds its own level and the Gores are sociopaths... the perfect couple.

@SpaceCattttt 4 года назад

And whenever Frank and Tipper appeared together in public, the sexual tension was plapatable.

@brainsareus 4 года назад

This is how the asshole corp Dems ceded the insane ''morality wars'' to the GOP Fascists. [This comment is not about the letter, it's about the issue.]

@TheKitchenerLeslie 4 года назад

@@brainsareus Nazi: National Socialist Party. P.S. Frank was a Conservative. Read his book.

@DavidSmith-ss1cg 4 года назад

@holeheadmole - Naa-ah, they were more slick than that - after FZ embarrassed Tipper and Susan, her partner in crime, "arrangements were made" and Zappa's doctor "didn't find" his prostate cancer until it was inoperable - even though FZ had complained of urinary tract problems for years. They got their "plausible deniability" AND got rid of Zappa. And, best of all, they spent $4.00 at Hallmarks and got him a nice card, so no hard feelings, eh?

@WhiteNucklin 4 года назад

Bottom line is, parents need to raise their kids how they see fit and if those kids get all wicked out or fucked up then they need to take responsibility for being the ones who raised them, instead of blaming it on pop culture.

@shavingdave1 Год назад

Great point!

@crankystinkleton4284 4 года назад

I remember when these debates were going on, and the discussion of violence as entertainment as a new concept baffled me. Every time I'd think "People used to go to actual *executions* for entertainment. This is just circus blood and acting." The moral panic at the time was incredibly weird.

@tommym321 4 года назад

Cranky Stinkleton Every decade has its moral panic. It’s always about restricting freedoms in order to “protect” people. It’s always a bunch of fucking nonsense.

@TheSpecialJ11 3 года назад

This country's Puritan roots show themselves again and again, even if the religious fervor itself is dead. Many secular movements mimic Puritan logic to this day.

@JoeDiamond110 2 года назад

@@TheSpecialJ11 they’re never secular

@kellidinit3725 2 года назад

I remember too. John Denver really took the wind out their sails. They were not expecting him to be so vehemently against censorship. It was great. They were not expecting Dee to be so articulate and basically tell Tipper her mind is in the gutter.

@3dApe 2 года назад

@@JoeDiamond110 The modern version of this mindset is secular.

@willykastilahn 4 года назад

Everyone is missing the point. The movies and songs what they are discussing were not the cause of the state of affairs, but rather a reflection. Suicide songs and slasher movies during the '80s were not what were causing the murder, drug, dropout, and violence rates to rise. They were describing the effed up world these old timers left us with, not the world we wanted.

@ExxylcrothEagle 4 года назад

Word

@normbograham3 4 года назад

As long as drugs were available on the market, there were druggies. China Opium in the 7th century. in the 17 century, it was a much bigger problem.

@normbograham3 4 года назад

@Knobcore This was in reply, to Willy's comment. Frank Zappa testified in front of congress, in reply to Tipper Gore's (All Gore's Wife), attempts to censor more. Tipper blamed the songs for drug use, violence, and suicide. We did not mention Frank Zappa, but the subject on which the hearings were about.

@robertottp7078 4 года назад

@Knobcore all drugs should be leagle, addicted people would be better off ,cotrol use were its coming from ,tax it ,stop urine testing only test people using on the job what they do with the money they earn is their business not the employer ,your leagle to come to a jobsite on methodone,suboxan while a person smoked a little weed a week ago is fired and put on a black list

@newhorizonsforfifty2833 3 года назад

And in so doing, they were criticizing the end result they helped create. Interesting.

@austinshelton500 4 года назад

"Women are always the victim" Flashes back to sonny coreleone getting shot over 50 times

@Kitsune44X 4 года назад

This and Tipper's initial comment on pornography as routinely depicting rape to the point of viewers being desensitized to actual rape victims struck me. I am not an expert on 70s and 80s pornography, but I dont think I'm jumping the gun to say that this wasnt the "average" porn viewers had access to in the Restricted section of rental stores. Siskel was right to note that the slasher/horror movies discussed by him and Tipper are not "Friday the 13th" fare. Even today there's a perception that this was the level of film Tipper Gore was objecting to (a perception that came from the number of "concerned mother" groups in the 80s and her association simply by being a woman asking for regulation at the same time and with a lot of the same language/research used).

@imgoodbye9252 4 года назад

Austin Shelton The Godfather came out 15 years before this interview, so thats not even relevant to what they were talking about. Also, in slashers and splatters (what they were talking about), I think it's pretty irrefutable that women are far more the victim than men. It's something that's built into the core of the genre. Even Giallo was constantly criticized for that. Anyway, Tipper Gore is a complete tool, and her entire system leaned Fascist. I don't support her at all, but she was right at the time when she said women are always the victim (in slashers and splatter films)

@Money_Shot-j8u 3 года назад

@@imgoodbye9252 women are generally the hero/survivor in slasher films even from that era. Generally men and women who weren't the protagonists died.

@imgoodbye9252 3 года назад

@@Money_Shot-j8u ok, even if that were predominantly true, which can't really be proven, there's still more women who die who aren't the protagonist generally.

@Money_Shot-j8u 3 года назад

@@imgoodbye9252 possibly, but a woman is generally ALWAYS a survivor.

@pmollan 4 года назад

1987 Faces of Death is todays 11pm News

@newhorizonsforfifty2833 3 года назад

"Sadistic sexual savage scenes." She sounds like she's narrating a 50s bad girl film.

@newhorizonsforfifty2833 3 года назад

And what does Siskel mean, it wouldn't go on network tv. It might not here, but in Mexico, for example, they show the very types of things he's talking about. Which makes me think how super white the US was in the 80s, when ultimately what the elite in the US was trying to protect us from was effects of the things they caused, as is pointed out below. So they commit the deeds and they have results, even on those they want to hide it from. So I can see how the warning labels could have been the ultimate backfire, if they were marketed as "we don't want you to see the damage we caused." Because the artists the PMRC rallied against didn't create their art in a vacuum. It had to come from somewhere.

@eis904 3 года назад

Gene Siskel called Frank a cultural leader. They really valued his input.

@markussegschneider2023 4 года назад

Can anybody imagine Zappa still being alive today and having to witness all of what´s happening right now? OMG.

@terrypussypower 4 года назад

Yeah, Zappa, Hitchens, Bill Hicks.

@crankystinkleton4284 4 года назад

He'd have said "Oh, business as usual; the GOP runs an obnoxious fascist idiot, the Dems run a candidate that is basically a GOP candidate that smiles more."

@Money_Shot-j8u 3 года назад

@@crankystinkleton4284 nah, he hated Dems too... So it wouldn't have been "a basically GOP" candidate, it would have been a typical large government Democrat. Both parties are authoritarian on either side of the political graph. Zappa was a free market capitalist and right-wing libertarian.

@thomasc.4637 3 года назад

@@Money_Shot-j8u Can you imagine how much he would have hated Trump, though? 😂

@Money_Shot-j8u 3 года назад

@@thomasc.4637 Probably about as much as he would have hated every other politician we've had since his time. Simply being conservative isn't an endorsement of Trump.

@robertrogers2264 Год назад

Funny how these were the problems we thought we had back in 1987. Compared to what we witness now in 2022 I'd gladly return to this kind of trouble in a heartbeat.

@garthornspike3648 Год назад

It's called regression. The country peaked 70 years ago. The country has been on a progressive decline to our eventual collapse.

@простадівчина Год назад

@@garthornspike3648 Fetishizing the Fifties? It's called repression.

@garthornspike3648 Год назад

@@простадівчина Unable to face reality? It's called delusional.

@DoomKid Год назад

We’ve gotten both better and worse over the years. Only demons deal in absolutes.

@garthornspike3648 Год назад

@@DoomKid Only delusional twits refuse to admit reality.

@MinecraftMartin 11 месяцев назад

Tipper Gore, the queen of parents who shelter their kids. The lady who would rather hide the real world from you, rather than educate you or prepare you for it. Very short sighted.

@EJK2099 3 года назад

The quality of remote video conferencing is amazing here. Why is it not like this these days?

@lachijames6213 3 года назад

They used to be via satellite, they now use ISDN and broadband internet.

@xpat73 4 года назад

"Obviously" ---says the anchor.....showing your bias right out of the gate.

@doctahdudemanbro8210 4 года назад

Bingo

@albertomadariaga1204 6 месяцев назад

The problem is Tipper Gore, as a billionaire she had too much free time and considered herself capable of distinguishing a work of art from trash. And that's not so easy.

@iverstim 5 месяцев назад

In hindsight PMRC ratings were great for the music industry. Nothing says ‘BUY ME!’ like an “Explicit Lyrics” label.

@DanielQwerty Месяц назад

Same thing with X rated movies in the day, and R rated movies today.

@taunoctua245 4 года назад

The only song Tipper slapped a sticker on was "G-Spot Tornado", an instrumental.

@spookybaba 4 года назад

Must have hit a nerve 😂

@newhorizonsforfifty2833 3 года назад

I was today years old when I found that out.

@ericmoore7413 3 года назад

That song title reminded her of her own "inner self". Tipper is a kinky, naughty girl.

@JRAw89 4 года назад

“Sadistic sexual savage scenes.” Nice quadruple alliteration there, Tipp!

@terrypussypower 4 года назад

And you know as soon as she said that, most of the kids watching went "wow, I need to see that as soon as possible!"

@SUdatsthecalloftheWU 4 года назад

@@terrypussypower that right there is the point

@elizabethcurtis5955 4 года назад

Love how Frank's question in answering the first was ducked lol

@killroy681 3 года назад

Looking at this in 2020. We live in a fear society now. Wish we had a Zappa rn

@jonaseggen2230 3 года назад

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The son of former Vice President Al Gore was charged Friday with speeding and illegal possession of marijuana and prescription drugs, according to the Orange County District Attorney's Office. Al and Tipper Gore with their son, Al Gore III, who faces several drug charges.Jul 20, 2007 Al and Tipper later divorced "Family values". What a corrupt waste of taxpayers money salaries to these people where. I don't personally think divorce is wrong but these puritans did.

@jay-rev 3 года назад

where is our 2021 Zappa - we need you!!

@faboolean7039 3 года назад

Zappa would not be appreciated at all by this society we have now unfortunately.

@jonaseggen2230 3 года назад

@Monotech2.0 Drugs have much to do with upbringing yes. They probably did never say anything about divorce being bad but no one says it's good. It's better imo opinion to divorce if a marriage cause more pain and suffering than joy but it is generally not a happy thing, only better than than the alternative. People divorce because of conflicts and incompatibility etc, and more often than not the conflicts between parents have a bad effect on any children they may have.

@bezoticallyyours83 2 года назад

Or we could be the Zappa

@BlackAbe007 3 года назад

I’m willing to wager that Mr. Zappa was a good Chess Player...

@evilsheep2197 3 года назад

He was from a military family.

@Ana_crusis 3 года назад

@@evilsheep2197 you think that makes someone good at chess 🤣😂🤣

@eis904 3 года назад

I don’t think he had time. The man was a workhorse.

@eis904 3 года назад

@@evilsheep2197 ??

@BlackAbe007 3 года назад

@@evilsheep2197 Many of them were “army brats” . I’m sure you know. That May be why it was called a Revaluation. Also, Steven Stills would perform in military style clothing...

@thecentralscrutinizer5105 3 года назад

_"...At Tipper's Inquisition Breakfast...."_ _"....where she stole the margarine"_

@ffrederickskitty4607 2 года назад

frank zappa was a great human being.

@eashandasgupta6348 4 года назад

lmao tipper gore legit said sexual pornography, what is non sexual pornography

@kaiguitarguymenard 4 года назад

I Spit On Your Grave is rough but it is meant to be. It is a anti rape film and it's meant to shock you. I watched that movie at 15, and it was impactful. Saying that it is a bad movie is just wrong.

@synthonaplinth5980 2 года назад

If every rapist got punished like the ones in the movie did, there would be many less instances of rape.

@looking_33 Год назад

How asinine with this rise of the internet imminent... oh boy...

@Contractnik 3 года назад

I remember watching this when I was a kid - I couldn't believe how five years later, the Gores would portray themselves as social liberals, hanging out at Grateful Dead shows, while on the campaign trail with Clinton.

@malcolmnicoll1165 Год назад

Hypocrites.

@DoomKid 5 лет назад

THANKS FOR SHARING! Never seen this one!!

@sounder9393 3 года назад

The RIAA rating system has been a colossal failure because the people in charge always listened more carefully to rap and metal cds than they did to, say, soft alternative. Sarah McLachlan, of all people, dropped an f-bomb on her biggest hit, but her album did not get the sticker. Neither did releases from about the same time by Sheryl Crow and the Indigo Girls which featured similar language, because their music was not metal or rap. Did they just assume a 12 year old just wasn't going to be interested in a Sarah McLachlan cd? I was 12 in 1973 and bought Paul Simon records, so you can't make that assumption. The truth was, though, if your music was believed to be aimed at an "older audience" , your lyric content apparently didn't get screened by the RIAA. But if you were rap, metal, or even "teen pop", it was put through a fine tooth comb.

@davidalexander3320 2 года назад

Donny Osmond of all people made this point on a talk show around this time. He said he could put out a song about someone contemplating suicide and no one would mind but of Ozzy did it they would freak out.

@kmvoss Год назад

The "explicit content" label always made me immediately more likely to consume the media in some capacity.

@TheKitchenerLeslie 4 года назад

The only reason you rented Faces of Death was because you couldn't believe it could be real, and it was a badge of honor to say you'd seen it, even if you didn't. If you were watching it for other reasons, most likely you were already a psychopath and it didn't "turn you" into one.

@buckodonnghaile4309 4 года назад

Spot on.

@toddcox5406 3 года назад

Oh, fucking please, that shit was fake as fuck, if you can't discern reality from fiction maybe you should stick to Disney films, but they can be Horrendous, necrophilia, infantcide, self mutilation. All in all you might want to stick with Mr.Rogers

@TheKitchenerLeslie 3 года назад

@@toddcox5406 Shut up, bitch.

@RResidentAlienNN 2 года назад

@Kitchner LMAO😂👍

@Jakeman90210 Год назад

And now theres the internet

@jackwyatt1218 2 года назад

He put her in her place! I watched this live and loved it!

@graxjpg 2 года назад

She’s so obviously reading, franks so obviously a million miles ahead.

@OnTourWithPattiSmith 11 месяцев назад

Censorship is always cloaked in sheep’s clothing DON’T BE FOOLED. 💯

@coryroberts7519 2 года назад

What we see in art in any of it's forms is a direct result, the symptom of the over-all issue/problem. It's not the other way around. John Denver in his testimony at the PMRC hearing really explained this in detail and quite eloquently.

@levelseven9841 3 года назад

"x rated society" What would she think now?

@briansmith9455 2 года назад

XXX but Y?

@riffmagos 2 года назад

Damn, I miss that man. Kudos, Frank.

@derpnerpwerp Год назад

Tipper Gore trying to unlock an achievement for highest alliteration combo with "sadistic sexual savage scenes"

@_moofield_569 2 месяца назад

It grinds my gears when she says that violence needs to be corrected amongst younger folk. THEN CORRECT IT. Don’t find something to blame and say “oh this is the reason” and call it a day by just being critical of an art form. Majority and I’m sure a high majority of bad kids or adolescents that become killers is due to the lack of parenting, love, and support. Instead of finding scapegoats I believe there is an initiative to at least fricking love and genuinely not put your child through torture and I think we would be fine where we are. Like Zappa said, it all comes down to mental health. If mental health wasn’t an issue, there would still be loving families and people out there. When there’s loving families, there children are happy and do behaviors that would align with that. Obviously as of today it’s in such a decline it’s baffling.

@fongfeen 3 года назад

The amount of conflation in this. Cripes! it's impossible to debate Zappa because his viewpoint is so different, it doesn't fit into societal construct norms of morality . It''s nearly like he takes a child's unbiased view of issues and asks obvious questions and gives straight answers that conventional indoctrinated wisdom finds hard to counter. if only we had more of the people that make the big decisions with this mindset.

@bungo7586 3 года назад

Is it ironic that her last name is Gore? Lol.

@ariadneschild8460 3 года назад

I keep thinking why was she named after a piece of equipment? Tipper is a strange name for a girl lol.

@SillyGoose2024 3 года назад

not anymore

@greggmclaughlin9047 5 месяцев назад

Midnight cowboy was rated X when it won a academy award

@freddylubin Год назад

Man, this discussion sounds old.

@clydecash5659 Год назад

Al please control your wife.

@jameysummers1577 8 месяцев назад

I'm forever in debt to Tipper Gore. Because of her I knew that "Parental Advisory" meant "BUY THIS ONE!" when I was 13. Nobody stopped me in the late 80's.

@int53185 3 года назад

Tipper, it comes down to this: "I have a stick up my butt, that gives me the right to tell you what to watch and listen to."

@michelleb5637 3 месяца назад

Kids who watched vampire movies growing up are the writers, produces and directors of the gory movies. So, it was the harmless vampire movies that started this chain reaction. 😂. Frank Zappa, an American treasure, RIP

@TGiannini007 3 года назад

Well Tipper, what about young kids watching commercials for Budweiser 24/7 ? Alcoholism is deadly; Frankie Goes to Hollywood is simply amusing.

@leobulero3485 9 месяцев назад

Zappa predicted in an other interview about mental health, that ill mental health will be one of the biggest problems in USA. Here he even says that the mental health issue and consumerism actually provides a market for this kind of content. It's interesting how true it is how badly US mental health problems have exponentionally grown. Just think about all the school shootings that occurs now on a regular basis, that little lids have to drill for the case a school shooting would happen. That's extremely traumatic for itself for kid and parents. The non existent general health care and the war on drugs and criminal private prison businesses has even become a perverted system to feed the vicious cycle. As long as mental and general health are of the people are both taken care of and reserved only for the rich, USA and the capitalism explotation system will fall. It actually already has begun more than 30 years ago. The corruption is ghastly inhumane and destructive for entire human civilizations.

@n0denz 3 года назад

Using data that indicates increased levels of aggression after viewing violent material to make a social point is such a fallacy. It plays upon our tendency to equate aggression with violence, even more so when we're already talking about violence and thus primed to conflate the two. What people like Tipper Gore are ignorant of or conveniently omit is the nature of the aggression. Aggression is not the same thing as violence. Is aggressive driving violent driving? If you're aggressively pursuing a goal, are you doing so with violence? In common conversation, we might use the two words interchangeably at times, but terms used in research are very purposefully chosen and defined in the introduction section to eliminate any misinterpretation. If a paper doesn't clearly define a key term, then it will cite a study or test which does, and you can just look at the cited literature. But unless a study says that aggression=violence or that when the word "aggression" is spoken of within the study, the authors are also including violence, then it is incorrect to treat the terms as synonymous. Moreover, Tipper Gore commits something of deadly sin in research by staying that correlation implies causation. If watching violent material is correlated with or associated with increased aggression, it does not even mean that viewing violent material causes increased aggression let alone causing violent behavior. Again, research is very specific with its language. Association, correlation, and causation are all different things, and it's ignorant at best, unethical at worst to take a word like "association" and then use it outside the context of research when speaking to people who aren't versed in research writing. That ensures people will assume a casual relationship.

@NoName01071992 5 месяцев назад

What an amazingly eloquent and patient way of being in a show like this that you know is fabricated to hold everything and anything against you and your arguments. The precision of his answers is great. Very intelligent guy! I think we tend to forget that making music can be a very difficult intellectual and spiritual endeavor from which you learn a lot, like patience, for example. And I think he touches upon the actual fundamental problems that no one seems to get in this debate.

@keithgrillo8096 Год назад

And Tipper becomes good friends with Gail Zappa.

@AndyGrazianoNYC Год назад

tipper looks like an animatron

@PrinceAsmodeus Год назад

Tipper was a wild cat in the sack.

@alexdornelli3242 3 года назад

just imagine what Tiper gore would say if she ever watched 'The Devils', by Ken Russel, made in 1971 and fortbidden even in its home country

@o3rMeNs 4 года назад

Ah yes, the ancient battle of control versus freedom.

@John-fc2ue 3 года назад

So I think I learned from a man who is a "film critic" who calls I Spit On Your Grave his "worst" movie, in 1987 well after Cannibal Holocaust came out, and a woman who is married to a man who thinks he invented the internet that the Roman Coliseum did not exist nor did public executions where people came with their families to witness.

@drgrimfist7437 8 месяцев назад

Considering the times now.... They're both right.... This is so hard to comprehend lol

@rosyrose2112 Месяц назад

Both of them make good points. Any kind of label or ban drives people towards it, nothing stops curiosity and rebellion. But parents need to educate kids on why something is wrong. I’m glad that Moon and Dweezil realized how the content in Faces of Death was wrong instead of craving more of it to see. Not that watching any of this is wrong, but the desensitization is a big problem. More people are violent today due to social media-witnessing arguments, gore, bullying is all right here. We start to imitate what we see. I’ve seen many people below 18 online worshipping a shooter or saying they like to watch gore as entertainment. It makes me worried about their mental health. We should help each other out, support each other and educate each other so we can be able to watch what we want without it negatively affecting our mental health….

@kevinsteel7875 Год назад

Debating back then was respectable between both parties, nowadays a mediator is required when debates get too loud, vulger, and off topic. Considering the content that is being debated, it's surprising to me how respectful they all are, even if they're on television vs the modern debaters who exist exclusively on the internet and can say virtually whatever comes to mind.

@zombiemidgetable 2 года назад

Frank Zappa hitting the nail on the head with the mental health comment.

@PschyoSupposeiam 3 месяца назад

first label went on a Frank Zappa album -that had no lyrics at all .

@risputte 11 месяцев назад

I thought guns were more destructive! But try talking about that to politicians.

@georgemartin4354 2 месяца назад

What came first Tipper? The violence or the video tapes, music and movies?

@davidfrederick6003 4 месяца назад

One movie theater in Philadelphia, in 1990, was showing Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3. I was 20 and I took my younger brother who was 14. I had ID with me. The theater person asked for identification from me since I was bringing in someone "underage".

@erikolsen6269 10 месяцев назад

Zappa was man of the year back then, he is now as well

@scrapeyhawkins5299 4 года назад

Tipper does Topeka....and Tallahassee.....and Talladega

@deejin25 2 года назад

It all became a moot point now that you can download anything at any time on the internet.

@martinallen6170 2 года назад

Anyone who takes lyrics from songs seriously including young kids shouldn't be allowed out anyway!

@yourlocaltumor2759 3 года назад

I am now inspired to write a song about tipper gore lol

@betagemslostmedia607 3 года назад

There was also a horror anthology comic book called Tipper Gore's Comics and Stories that had one cover by Guns N' Roses album cover artist Robert Williams =

@truthseeker2321 3 года назад

Blackie Lawless already did that back then. It is titled " Harder Faster, and he dedicated it to Tipper Gore, right after he sued her.

@scott7521 6 месяцев назад

Frank actually seems like a Libertarian.

@twistedviewlabs 3 года назад

Does anyone find it ironic that someone with the last name Gore is all about censoring horror films and music with curse words in it?

@lopakavolmer6723 5 месяцев назад

zappa is a libertarian tennis net that sits between both sides of politics for parody and satire, his belief, and plays them both. that said, i play frank zappa everyday. frank is frank.

@davidnewland2461 2 года назад

When I told my kids not to listen to Zappa's sheik yer bouti . They proudly told me they listened to it.

@NastyWoman1979 3 года назад

Tipper would be clutching her Karen pearls in 2021

@bjorndunderbeck 3 года назад

'Karen pearls' sweet.

@stewmott3763 Год назад

'Karen Pearls' - now that's a sitcom character name if ever I heard one.

@OPYates 3 года назад

Not shown..... Zappa: “Oh Tippy, Tippy, Tippy”.......

@mouseandryforever6848 2 года назад

Tipper gore loves s&m

@pressureworks 9 месяцев назад

Tipper Gore was labeled here as an author, but instead should have been milfcougar

@steveguida2639 3 года назад

There are warning labels on things for stupid people. Read the synopsis on the back of the book / movie/ album before you let them partake, and raise your damned kids with an interest

@toddcox5406 3 года назад

Right on, the warning labels are ridiculous, "don't insert bottle-rocket into rectum" "don't ingest ethelene-glycole",they might as well say" pull your head out of your rectom lest you suffocate!!!

@justinnardine8564 4 года назад

Hahahahaha franks on another level

@elizabethanderson2968 3 года назад

Gore for Prez ... thats what "dead from the neck up" Tipper was all about with this sham ...

@phildirt3 Год назад

Like shooting fish in a barrel

@liamgross7217 3 года назад

Tipper may be responsible form the rampant onslaught of Karen’s in society today.

@markv.2464 4 месяца назад

It's never too early, or too late, to listen to the music of WHO?! WHOOOO?! Please tell me!!!

@capoman1 2 года назад

Funny WHAT ENDED UP GETTING CANCELED: Dr. Seuss. Pepe Lepu. Looney Tunes. Baby it's cold outside. Etc... Didn't cancel Grand Theft Auto lol.

@normbograham3 4 года назад

I returned ONE album, my son bought. Only one. The store did not have any problem taking the return. There will always be something that will offend you.

@terrypussypower 4 года назад

Yeah, those Coldplay albums can really mess you up!