FRAS vs 3A Armor & Ceramic Plates | Safe Life Defense | Flexible Rifle Armor System 

I'm searching for it's performance in cold weather, will definitely check links below.

This should help but I'm not too sure, I'm not an expert ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rqs7ffNVwfk.html

Dude I always wear xl FRAS. Medium is a joke.

Im a small guy so a medium gives me full coverage and I can pair it with a hard plate medium as well and still get a good bit of coverage

Hopefully with volume the price will come down dramatically.

Lucky I have the disposable income for it. Not a whole lit of use for it... yet. I'll just go with their 3a+ for now

good idea fat boy

@@gummybear41283 the other way around. I'm 150lb soak and wet. I need to build up more strength to carry that kind of weight long term.

@@marshallpaul608 oh

Marshall Paul I’m 135 soaked, granted that’s a lean 135 pounds lol. I just can’t seem to put on any weight for nothin. I lift and move a lot of heavy product up to 170 pounds throughout the day at work so it’s not like I’m a couch potato or Anything. You got any tips or maybe a channel on here I could watch for tips on this?

@@claytonatkinson865 Take this video with a grain of salt obviously, but this has been moderately successful with me so far. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gJio0lPysF8.html

Yugophoto I just want to clarify the setup. You go with the FRAS on daily patrols but keep a plate carrier sized big enough to go over you and the FRAS, yes? I have to say it's interesting to think about and may be quicker than taking off the FRAS, putting in plates and putting it back on. But the other side to that coin is that there's possibility that it can shift and even ride up your body altering the safe hit box and exposing organs. I don't really know. But it's a sound idea.

@@colt.452zigzags3 no the FRAS carrier includes a pocket for a plate. So you have the FRAS Panel with a plate infront of it. So you have lvl IV protection

Why would you need level 4 plates on top of your FRAS? You only need the concealable FRAS vest and you’re good to go to face an active assailant with proper tactics.

@@colt.452zigzags3 why would you get rilfe plates fras is level 3 not 3a

Lvl IV

Level 7 for sure

@@Wilkuris a guy made a video on it it stops a 50 BMG

@@defaultzenabled4261 I saw. It would still kill you lol

@@Wilkuris oh yeah every organ would explode on that impact haha but its good to know it can stop everything

Good luck...not only has the price gone up but apparently they don’t even have it. It’s unreliably back ordered. Lead time just keeps getting pushed further and further along. Ordered mine in September

Have you read about the rash of "SWATing" incidents lately? Not as crazy as it sounds...

It will stop 308 they just dont guarantee it

Yep, it'll work, and it'll stop basically anything. It won't be light of course...

@@huntercook6605 what you said. FRAS is already ready for any job.

caner canbir dragonskin was silicon carbide disks layered over each other and laminated in Kevlar. This is....just guessing here... uhmwpe disks laminated in Kevlar.

not available i believe

I did not test that. However... 9mm and 44 mag rounds were stopped on the surface of FRAS so I can't imagine those lesser threats making it through. We may have to test those all in the future for shits and giggles though.

That’s what I was thinking. Thanks for the reply!!!

You can watch the testing video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7qL8s_DpUDc.html behind the ceramic is essentially a Dynema based vest. I'll add that to the list though to make sure.

standing behind the guy that has the same rig as you do.

It looks like it can, the carrier is the same as the 3a one. It's just the ballistic panels that are different.

Yes, the concealment carrier you see in this video has a front and back pocket for plates on both the standard 3A and the FRAS. Ive been trying to tell them to add an "ultimate protection pqckage" that is fras with a front and back level 4 plate but to no evail. You can order them as separate components and put them together that way though.

free field training thats what I wanted to hear. Ultimate package sounds like something I would buy. Already having the defense from a .223 but then stacking those plates on it to deny any penetration of 30 caliber rounds sounds like some serious defense

IndigoAurora yes.

IndigoAurora I mean It is still pretty effective I just wouldn’t claim it to be rifle rated. I put it somewhere between 3a+ and 4 NJI levels.

Nathan Adams it has to stop 7.62x39 and 7.62x51AP to be rated for NIJ lvl 3 so it's going to be lower than that but higher than iiia

IndigoAurora im with you. Let's see the video, link it. No video then it didn't happen. And frankly Free Field Training already did a torture test of it so......yeah, sounds to me like you(Nathan Adams) trying to gain some sort of clout.

@@colt.452zigzags3 Yeah, also the people who currently own them and showcase them in videos are the youtubers who have contracts with safelife. Even if you were to have ordered it the day it came out, no one could have gotten it yet as the shipping takes 8-10 weeks.

No, but 3A+ stops stabs

Your life. If it's only worth steel then run it. Risk vs cost ratio.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7qL8s_DpUDc.html

In the video he says clearly that it stops the common 5.56 rounds. If you're not aware that that's the typical round used in the AR-15, you probably need to acquire a better basic knowledge of this subject if it's something you care about.

IIIA concealable would be best IMO. More coverage and thiefs uuaually carry pistols for surprise attacks and robberies. Usually.

@@Spazzycat14 thank you for the information

@@budda8310 No problem. Worked armed security for a while myself.

@@sunnydeng9263 thank you for the info, I'll definitely look into getting some

You're looking at the FRAS so just get the FRAS. I say that because frankly yes most crime is committed with a handgun. But you get the occasional goon with pistol classified ARs and Aks which are more concealable than a full length rifle but packs nearly all the punch. The only thing I don't like about the FRAS is it's lack of NIJ certification as level III or III+ to stop .308 and 7.62x51 rounds. You can get Lvl III+ steel plates to put in. But unless they are multi-curve they will cause the armor to print in clothes.

I wonder that too

According to the engineer who designed it the industrial adhesive used should last beyond the warranty period of the vest. I am currently wearing one every day at work as a test as well. When I took the vest apart I found the tiles and under them branded dynema, lots of layers of branded dynema. I figure worst case scenario, even if the plates desalination and fall off I am wearing a dynema vest.

My concern is if you are rolling on the ground fighting. Will the ceramic hold up to that kind of abuse?

There are no rules in the boogaloo.

"The war never ended!" *Loads 1903 with black tips*

I tend to get stupid at the range and wander down to check my target during live fire.

Me, there's lots of other great channels out there that do a better job at that than I ever could. They have backyard ranges and stuff. Check-out tnoutdoors for those types of reviews.

@@freefieldtraining im new to pistols and ammo on this type of caliber use to hunting. Not for work

Might not fit in the carrier first of all. You could try. Let us know how it goes.

Joseph Herd he ment vest over vest. Or possibly just a panel over panel test fire to see what it can stop.

I mean if you really want to wear 35lb of armor that's 5" thick, go for it. The FRAS does have plate slots though, so that might be the better option. Cheaper, lighter, not as bulky and probably better protection too.

That depends on the medium you are penetrating and the construction of the bullet, both materials and design.

so with the same design(like APCR?),the quality(my understanding is that a bad constructed bullet will more likely to fail when impact?) of the bullet also affect the performance of the bullet?(I am new to this category,so don't punch me if I asked silly question)

@@Type09V Assuming that both bullets were the same material and size (Not possible in the real world) if they both impacted the target with the same amount of energy behind them then they would both penetrate the same amount. The quality of the bullet generally only affects how precise it is, it's unlikely that the quality would matter too much for penetration unless the bullet was of a hilariously low quality. Although in a similar vein to what your thinking, stronger materials that flatten less upon impact such as steel vs lead will cause the bullet to have less surface area exposed to the armor while penetrating, which would result in more penetration.

The faster the projectile, the more effective against (soft) body armor. That's the entire point of 5.7

Ask your allah.

Ross M. $1600-$2000 and they warranty for five years.

not currently

Nope! We can ship it outside of the US.

Yes. But a sledge hammer to the heart is still as deadly as a stake to the heart.

@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- Trauma is a minor detail. We'll work that out later.

@@michaeldesanta977 yes, the mortician will address it. Perhaps even the embalmer if that's your wish.

I'm a surgeon, and I'm telling you that you'll definitely die from the blunt force trauma.

Check out Stealth Armor System. They may sell outside US. Not sure.

We can ship outside the US. No problem!

@@SafeLifeDefenseBodyArmor WOW I thought ITAR Ban that! Can you guys ship it to S.Korea?

FRAS is available in Canada.

LEOs are to be servants to the people. Not pit masters. Public perception alters interactions and ability to perform investigations.

Yes there is a reason why dragonskin isn't around. It's price point was in the several thousands and weighed in at ~47lbs. This is ~16lbs at $1,600+\-. While dragonskin is nice and can stop a lot, it's also cumbersome and heavy. FRAS is fairly revolutionary. But maybe not to some internet warrior like yourself.

Guess Uncle Sam is an internet warrior to eh? All those gov contracts FRAS has right? Oh nvm. Back to mommy’s basement with you

So what you’re saying is the best funded military in the world won’t use it because it’s trash? With no evidence otherwise. Nice try little man

bryanscle well let's see... I never said it was trash. Expensive? Yes. Heavy? Yes. Trash? No. But you have to remember the military outfits their grunts with what's called a combat load(all equipment necessary to engage in combat), and an existing load (all equipment necessary for their continued operation in a region). In combination we are talking 125~150lbs now swich a 30lb armor system with one at 47lbs that's undue load on the soldiers. Not to mention they already spend 18k PER SOLDIER. Plus It simply did not pass the military trials. I did hear the CIA ordered a batch of dragonskin but they don't have to lug around +100lbs of weight. So educate yourself before you embarrass yourself "little man" P.s. Anything you try to attack me with personally I'm just going to assume is you projecting your insecurities. So just stop trying to make personal attacks it makes you look weak.

Colt .45 2 Zigzags Uh you do realize you started the name calling right? Lol. Anyways little man, it can’t pass tests means it’s trash. Thanks.