Fraud Week: Two Former NXIVM Members Speak Out on True Horrors of the Cult...And How They Got Out

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Fraud Week continues with a focus on the NXIVM cult, featuring former cult members Sarah Edmondson and Anthony "Nippy" Ames, hosts of "A Little Bit Culty." They discuss how they first came to NXIVM, the oddities of the group, the positives they experienced at first, the importance of screening before allowing people and groups into your brain and heart, the charismatic NXIVM leader Keith Raniere, Raniere's lawyer who had a showdown with Megyn on her NBC show, the way Raniere and others in the group manipulated them, how fraudsters look to target certain kinds of people, the traumatic moment she was secretly branded with NXIVM cult leader Raniere's initials, when they decided they had to leave the cult, the brainwashing and sex trafficking happening in the NXIVM cult, the Hollywood family who took to the media to speak out on the cult, the vindication when Raniere finally went to jail, and more.
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@MegynKelly 12 дней назад

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@goodfellas1xx776 12 дней назад

❤❤

@radagastbrown9001 12 дней назад

Megyn, people are saying you are taking that drug that makes you skinny ( or in your case too skinny). I said, no she is way too smart to be addicted to cocaine.

@davidkolpack9326 5 дней назад

Morale of the story- don't be a progressive liberal.

@s.o.g.298 12 дней назад

For years i held contempt for you Megyn for the presidential debate when you fiercely went after Trump with questions in defence of Rosie O'Donnell. I can't stand Rosie for many reasons, to many to type here. And after that debate i couldn't stand you. I'm glad i took a chance and gave you another chance. I've grown to respect and love you. It's a testament of christian faith that allowed an old man like me to learn forgive others as my Lord forgives me. This allowed me to see what a fierce and true warrior for good you are and true to scripture thie gave me strength. Your proof that Gods Word is true, may God bless you and keep you ❤

@jenniferbarlow1782 12 дней назад

Sureal. I used to be in the FLDS cult, not knowing it was a cult, of course. The tactics and means to an end are so similar to Warren Jeffs. Simply fascinating.

@limeOjello 12 дней назад

She didn’t need forgiveness, she did nothing wrong at that debate.

@andreahunter2471 12 дней назад

@@limeOjelloMegyn didn’t need YOUR forgiveness,as you did not hold any negative feelings for her, but this commenter needed to let go of his contempt for her. He may still need to forgive Rosie ODonnell, too. The one who is forgiven does not even have to have done anything wrong …it’s a very personal thing to be able to let go of your hurt, hate, contempt, etc especially when the person one forgives isn’t even going to be apologetic, or aware of how you feel and they won’t be grateful for your forgiveness nor will they stop doing the offensive thing. Forgiveness not the act of realizing someone didn’t do anything bad or wrong. Forgiveness is all about the forgiver’s need to set aside his negative feelings, or let them move on toward positive outcomes, and not let negative emotions prevent good from overcoming bad. Forgiveness in this case, is a sign of healing for the one who has forgiven and let go of contempt. Megyn didn’t need to ask for his forgivenes, but he still needed to give it. I hope this made sense!😝

@JBfromFL 12 дней назад

What did you think about the Alefantis interview on Fox?

@s.o.g.298 12 дней назад

@@andreahunter2471 your right. I did not do it for her. Scripture mandates that one must first forgive others before I can be forgiven. I believe i was correct in my opinion of the attack against Trump on that debate, all of them were biased just as the attacks against him now from all news media including Fox.

@rosemaryalles6043 12 дней назад

Megyn is a class act. And kudos to this couple. Living a horror story and finally getting out. 💜

@aleksanderpetancic7977 11 дней назад

What horror? War is horror for example

@dianejohnson7212 11 дней назад

Thank you for going on Megyn’s show and educating us. Bless you both

@thomasinavolkman4456 12 дней назад

Megyn keeps emphasizing how really smart and rich people got conned. In my experience, people who are affluent and well educated are more susceptible to con artists. Those who are street smart and who are aware of these kinds of people since they were young would see the con and would not give up their money so easily. Being disadvantaged has its advantages. I would see this guy and his minions coming a mile away. If I did get sucked in my friends and family would get me out ASAP

@hcmangs3634 12 дней назад

Like a lot in the Dem cult with TDS duped by DNC media

@claytonkeates2614 12 дней назад

Bingo. I've noticed a trend, and on some level I get it. A large portion of the victims will say "they were SO smart, so cunning." It makes it easier to admit that they were fooled. "I'm not stupid, they are just brilliant!!" Not calling the victims stupid, just saying, I think they are more susceptible. But the first play is to defend their own intelligence.

@BrendaLeigh 11 дней назад

I'm glad that I'm cheap. I wouldn't even pay $200 for a seminar.

@ems3991 11 дней назад

You're lucky to have people who care about you. Many people don't.

@rickcorcoran543 11 дней назад

Had a good friend of mine who after his wife of et years left him , fell for the Nigerian princess scam. I was floored. This guy is a living ,breathing Sherlock Holmes but at when he was weakened he fell for it.

@bekscho 12 дней назад

Im so happy I've never had the desire to belong to a group nor feel the need to prove my worthiness to a bunch of bullies by doing something utterly stupid and self harming.

@sandrab2589 11 дней назад

Me, too.

@iambigbunny 12 дней назад

Cant help but appreciate the empathy expressed in this interview

@allthecolors6900 12 дней назад

Wow. Amazing. Grateful for these two taking the time to talk about their experiences in this cult. Another great episode

@jeffandsherriefranzwa8970 12 дней назад

I was part of a charismatic Christian cult for about a dozen of my formative young adult years. It negatively affected all my major life directions. After living with its effects ever since, I'm looking forward to eternal life.

@lefantomer 10 дней назад

Keep the beliefs but in a "safe" way?

@hawkonamountain5196 10 дней назад

Was it in KC? If so, same.

@jeffandsherriefranzwa8970 9 дней назад

@@hawkonamountain5196 Part of my group moved to Kansas City KS to merge with an existing group there. After several years they moved to the Dallas-Fort Worth area. We were good at moving people.

@mercurialpoirot5551 11 дней назад

Best way to stay out of a cult is to listen to everyone.

@pshep58 12 дней назад

The spin on NXIVM was always women as victims of cult leader. Grown women need to take accountability for decisions to join And bringing others into the cult.

@ladyelainefairchild3546 12 дней назад

Yes it had a core group of smug anti Trumper types who were all on their high horse how they were smart and against him. They weren’t victims they made choices.

@kellibuzzard9431 12 дней назад

Both are true.

@chrisbrennan9173 11 дней назад

definitly , theyre being told your not complete with out this group helping you with limiting beliefs. then another group comes in and says no that group was wrong, we have the truth you were living a lie.

@Owlshead110 11 дней назад

Women can be more vulnerable because we are influenced by our feelings. Your strength is your weakness.

@annettevillain4352 11 дней назад

I couldn't even make it through this episode. I don't have any sympathy for people who are so smart they are stupid.

@lydiascl 11 дней назад

This group took advantage of women's desire to out-girlboss each other

@christyaustin4833 12 дней назад

I am taken aback by the large number of nastily condescending and judgemental comments. What a foolish notion to think we are not all capable of being deceived in many ways. This couple not only found the courage to get themselves out of a deep pit, but are willing to make themselves vulnerable enough to use their past mistakes and pain in order to warn and help others not fall into the same trap. They are to be congratulated and thanked and prayed for, not slammed back into the ground.

@catherinewattley420 11 дней назад

you are delusional..these peope played the game for what they could get foe themselves when it all blew up oh no i had no idea..such complete bs..wow

@gracie1598 11 дней назад

@ Catherine Wattley: you do not know that for sure or definitively

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

Guessing you didn’t watch, or you have major comprehension issues. @@catherinewattley420

@gregg9448 8 дней назад

@@catherinewattley420I agree! Being deceived is little different than being branded. There were so many red flags I can’t count that high.

@LMF3 12 дней назад

This is such an important story, as the organizational dynamic discussed here is A) more prevalent than one might think and B) it does not, and often doesn’t, occur in the context of a “cult.” Men like this generally choose women who have have strength and strong intellect, but also possess things a perpetrator doesn’t have…..light, innocence, and a genuine “goodness.” My heart breaks for Sarah as I watch her get triggered. This was the rape of a soul. I imagine one of the most profoundly destructive result of this experience is losing trust in yourself/your own instincts. At a fundamental level this is such a part of our survival in the world. When individual human instinct is decimated to this degree, and the ability to trust oneself is taken away, it’s absolutely terrifying to exist in the world. Instinct is the one thing many women like Sarah can always count on. It takes a long time….a very long time, to get this back. Anyone watching this please heed these red flags. Experiences like this happen to women far more often than one might think….and as I stated, happens in many different contexts. A cult is one, an extreme one, and people may find it novel as they watch this. It isn’t novel. It has happened to many women, under various circumstances. Sarah…..God bless you, brave one, and thank you for having the courage to share your story. ❤

@ameperdue6953 11 дней назад

I don't understand how educated people could fall for this stuff. It's like the "victims" have zero life experience and zero emotional maturity.

@catherinewattley420 11 дней назад

narcissists all

@monicaLynn7 12 дней назад

I was in Landmark Education for three years, it was always “take the next seminar / course. Thousands of dollars later It left me more lost than when I started. Every time I questioned things they discredited my concerns with Landmark Education gaslighting language that isn’t based in reality. My new husband at the time prioritized his “volunteer commitment” to Landmark more important than our honeymoon! The KoolAid flows freely in that organization

@celloxharp1548 12 дней назад

Check out Sarah and Nippy's podcast A Little Bit Culty for their episode on Landmark.

@zoomby4380 11 дней назад

10 years with Landmark Education was well spent money. The benefits from their courses have been a life changer, health benefits from reversing type 2 diabetes, to keeping all the weight off. My energy levels up and keeping my word went up 100%. Landmark stands apport and high above many self improvement programs. I will never ever regret the small amounts of money their course cost......you can leave anytime and your family relationship improves. No fears or regret on life .....thanks to Werner 😊😊😊

@Kittyhawk1214 9 дней назад

@@zoomby4380I'm confused; your commenting positively about a group that the other person stated the complete opposite?

@zoomby4380 8 дней назад

@@Kittyhawk1214 Yes....Landmark has been a benifit for many people. About 2% would not be satisfied....that's is life. Their is always those who are never pleased....walking pissed off waiting to be upset 🤠

@yodaandthebike5839 11 дней назад

This story brought tears to my eyes, but what a gift it was to listen to. Huge admiration for Sarah and her husband, and what a beautiful couple they are. Their story should be told far and wide to make people aware of the fact that there are predators amongst us.

@angiedues8813 12 дней назад

Smart, rich, accomplished people are the easiest to manipulate. They’re so smug and entitled.

@kellibuzzard9431 12 дней назад

I think actors tend to be especially vulnerable. They work and live in a moral vacuum.

@MadeByChinkee 11 дней назад

And what say you of the average people who make up the majority of these groups?

@Music-Is-Real-Love 11 дней назад

@@kellibuzzard9431 💯.

@angiedues8813 11 дней назад

@@MadeByChinkee I don’t think that changes my statement since average people weren’t the topic of discussion. MK kept point out the accomplished, smart, rich people, not average people 😉

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

“Narcissists don’t kill themselves.” Love that quote!

@WhyDidYouWearThat 11 дней назад

I went to landmark because a friend who was a yoga teacher convinced me- I will never forget calling my dad and saying I’m either the smartest person here or the stupidest… the president personally came to speak to me because they could see I was not buying into it. I feel sad for the people who spilled very dark secrets in front of a room full of hundreds of strangers. I understand the appeal, but it is just taking advantage of kind and hurt people.

@smooth_pursuit 8 дней назад

Landmark was propagated through the yoga world via lululemon staff trainings

@monicaLynn7 12 дней назад

Thank you Megyn Kelly, it’s nice to get a break from politics

@kathrynfauver7079 11 дней назад

One of the most moving and deeply emotional episodes I’ve seen in a long time. Sarah & Nippy you are true hero’s for your part in taking this evil cult and leader down!! 👏👏👏 Sarah, I applaud your bravery for sharing deep personal things. Thank you ❤

@catherinewattley420 11 дней назад

shes a con artist and narcissist looking for what she could for herself..

@allisongaudette9089 12 дней назад

Thank so much to everyone for this story. Such important insights!!!

@martinkennedy100 12 дней назад

Catherine Oxenburg took this cult down!!!

@lefantomer 10 дней назад

Amazing woman! Her persistence was such that she even bullied the FBI into actually doing something about this predatory gang. We need more people like her!!

@cindyszyszkiewicz4786 11 дней назад

Since Jonestown I've been researching cults. Thanks so much for exposing so many to the public!!

@TheAislynnRose 11 дней назад

I actually wrote my senior highschool thesis on cults and follow it to this day. Lol😊

@lefantomer 10 дней назад

Thank you for caring and for studying about cults. Hopefully you will be able to help prevent people from becoming victims. Since the Scientologist cult shut down the old Cult Awareness Network, people such as yourself have been our only hope.

@Prettypeachylife 12 дней назад

I’d love to see you do a show on The Cult of Scientology. They make kids sign billion year contracts and force them to work.

@terryhuffaker3615 10 дней назад

There are some very good interviews already out there. Please look them up.

@terryhuffaker3615 10 дней назад

Understanding Scientology can become a soul sucking session. Please don't go down that rabbit hole. You have better things to do with your day. Read a book and learn how that organization operates. Don't give those folks more energy than it's worth.

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

@@terryhuffaker3615You seem easily persuaded.

@michelpeereboom4650 8 дней назад

..@@DebbiSmithDCFor you it seems easy making judgements, regarding a person you know nothing about.

@Prettypeachylife День назад

@@terryhuffaker3615 I know. I would like to see a Megyn Kelly interview on this though

@rickh9396 10 дней назад

Part of the reason these people get so taken in by these cults and frauds is that their lives have no anchors. Sarah said she's "not religious," which makes it so easy for a group like NXIVM to fill that void in her life. If you know Jesus (as opposed to being "religious") and have a solid foundation in the Bible, it will be much harder for others to manipulate you.

@BettyDowling 11 дней назад

I had no idea about this organization. Thank you Megan for this show. May the Lord heal this couple and continue to use them.

@virginiacrom3007 12 дней назад

There are cultists religions that work exactly the same way. It causes much anguish for family members who cannot break through the blind obedience. It is heartbreaking that so many members end up very poor......but cannot leave, or they lose their adult children and grandchildren! That's what a real cult is!

@shirleenfinney9193 11 дней назад

If you don’t serve God, the one true God, our Lord Jesus Christ, you will serve something else, one way or another. We are safe in Jesus’ light. Run to it - His open arms are always waiting to embrace us, no matter what we have done. We can ask for forgiveness with sincere hearts and 💯 we will always receive it. Praise be to God now and forever! ❤

@sandrab2589 11 дней назад

Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

@bornfree0507 10 дней назад

God instilled in man the desire to worship Him. But people get mixed up and decide to go for anything but the real God of the Universe. Crazy how easily we are led astray.

@whydontyou2016 2 дня назад

…wait….which one? The Almighty One or Jesus? Can’t be both now can it… 😬

@whydontyou2016 2 дня назад

@@sandrab2589er… isn’t that what you’re doing with the trinity thing ?

@jumpinjakeflash1 11 дней назад

Glad they got out of it. They seem very vulnerable still. Not sure the reason they are talking about this, doing podcasts, etc., comes from a place of healing. Not sure this show was the right thing to do. No disrespect, but I also highly doubt the lady is being wholly factual. Anyone who spent many years involved in that cult (and who was recruiting other girls as she stated), got a very intimate branding, and kept being involved needs years of psychological reprogramming. They are NOT ready to "tell their story". Megyn, you meant no harm, but overly flattered her which fed her damaged ego. I mean, this isn't the story of "We got involved in the world's worst Time Share". This is the story of "So my wife branded the initials of our leader into her crotch, didn't tell me about it for 6 months (so much to discuss there), and what am I going to do about it? Oh, nothing..." When we were young, my wife and I took the theatre program at a church. It was a private church and not much was known about it other than the leaders were very educated and seemed credible. It took a couple weeks to figure out that it was a cult. We hightailed it out immediately when I saw the leader talking to my wife longingly, asking her to join a private group. Immediately I said, we are leaving or I'm going to beat his AZ. Later it came out that this indeed had been a cult. People who get sucked into cults have mental problems before they start. No judgment on them, but not sure the victims should be giving any lectures on the danger of cults. I mean, you let somebody strip you naked, let them brand your body?

@lefantomer 10 дней назад

Thanks for covering this Megyn. Around 1997 the Scientology cult shut down the Cult Awareness Network which provided information and warnings about such predatory organizations. Since then we must depend on people of good will and courage to expose them, and ex-members will always be the most important voices in that work. It is difficult to admit that one was fooled by a cult, but speaking out is part of the healing process and helps to warn others about the predators out there.

@raebovis1091 12 дней назад

I’m sorry- but really? The “slaves” part should’ve been a clue..

@sandrab2589 11 дней назад

Why don't people trust their gut? If something seems wrong, it probably is. SMH

@sandrab2589 11 дней назад

Or the requirement to give naked photos of themselves to their 'master' or getting branded with the cult leader's initials over the entrance to their vagina. Yeah, these might be red flags.

@suzym26 12 дней назад

I never heard of this cult NXIVM. Evertime Megyn says the name I think of the acid reflux medicine Nexium.

@Liz-in8lu 11 дней назад

The purple pill?!?

@bornfree0507 10 дней назад

Me too

@Geekerella00 11 дней назад

I first heard about NXIVM from the interview @MK did on NBC in 2017, afterwards I researched like hell. Thank you for bringing to light.

@SheilaODrane 11 дней назад

Pride is the first hurdle to clear to change anything in our life.

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

And money! Oh, the power of that ego!

@Spinachtiger 11 дней назад

I do feel for Sarah, BUT, here's what struck me. She was tricked yet takes no responsibility for how her ambitions to be someone strong, a badass as she said. When she was getting branded, did she not think that once she's a master and has slaves she will be abusing others. I listened to the whole thing waiting for her to own some of her own yuck in this. She also said going into this, she was not religious. Hello. That was clear. She was missing something and wanted to "work on herself." Working on oneself is so yesterday. The secret to joy is serving others and getting past the theology of self.

@PozoBlue 11 дней назад

Allison Mack was one of the most manipulated & brainwashed. Remember early clips of him starting to gaslight her. She seemed a very vulnerable, attention starved girl in those 1st interactions. That said, she tried to convince Kristin Kreuk to join. Kristin went to one workshop and nope'd the hell out of there. Edit to correct it was Laura Vandervoot (who guest starred as Clark's cousin/kara) who she tried to recruit

@randys6220 11 дней назад

I've seen multiple sources that stated the direct opposite including a New York Times article that read, "It was Ms. Kreuk who brought Ms. Mack to her first meeting of Jness, a women’s group under the umbrella of Nxivm (pronounced Nex-ee-um), in 2006". However, Kirstin was reported to later just having "minimal contact" with the people in the group and then cut off all ties while Allison Mack maintained a full-time relationship with the organization. When the controversy hit the public Kristin later released a statement that she did not witness any illegal behavior / abuse during the short time she was in attendance with the Nxivm group and one of the high-profile victims completely backed Kristin on her assertion.

@PozoBlue 9 дней назад

@@randys6220 i realize I confused two separate incidents. It was Laura Vandervoot she tried to recruit (who guest starred on smallville as kara) but refused as she didnt have the money and thought it was a little weird since allison barely spoke to her before that. On a separate interview kristin spoke a little on this. When kristin went it was in the early days of the group where it was more like business/leadership workshops they checked out. She didn't continue, just didnt gel with the thing. Seems allison was targeted by this guy (he flew her to him after day two of her workshop....most didnt get to meet him until they were higher/further along the process a long time after). That clip of them at the volley ball thing is that meeting. Giving her the "special treatment" from the get go to brainwash her or something. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@LoveandButter 12 дней назад

Great! And thanks MK for putting it all out there -- even from the NBC days -- and being personally honest, (oh and putting your hair up)! ha ha

@darrinheike1495 11 дней назад

For the longest time I thought that NXIVM was some kind of hair or skin care product.

@annabambus6572 11 дней назад

Thank you for this. A vital much needed conversation about culty stuff in all areas of life. None of us are immune. We all need to hear the shared humble experiences of anyone who came out of the fog created by the desire to be a better person and self empowered.

@ziggy-pn4ts 12 дней назад

It's hard to think a person could be persuaded to be branded with a red hot iron, unable to say NO. VERY sickening

@dannywilson5115 12 дней назад

Have you not watched the series Yellowstone?

@s.o.g.298 12 дней назад

When I finished jump school and got my first assignment with 82nd Airborne my initiation was branding me with red hot branding iron, I'm proud of it. I think the way these ladies were branded was more painful and deceptive. I think these women should be allowed to engrave brand Keith with their initials next to his pecker. It's only fair.❤

@s.o.g.298 12 дней назад

Yup@@dannywilson5115

@ladyelainefairchild3546 12 дней назад

@@dannywilson5115At least the characters in the show were outcasts who needed jobs and financial security. These clowns branded themselves because they were more cattle than the actual cattle on Yellowstone. They were thirsty woke losers.

@ems3991 11 дней назад

How is that hard to think? People do similar things to their partners all the time. And as long as there's consent, it's not considered violent.

@jenngraham1812 11 дней назад

Whenever an organization has a leader who is to be revered, love bombs, meets your emotional and spiritual needs, has weird rituals, calls for unswerving obedience and, not least, asks for a ridiculous sign-up fee, RUN FOR THE HILLS!

@martinkennedy100 12 дней назад

Such nice people also, glad they’ve moved on and done well in life

@baja1988_Texas 11 дней назад

Cults always end up being about sex with young attractive women and/or lots of money.

@powerboatguy2308 12 дней назад

This is a greed cult. Everyone getting involved thought they were going to achieve more power and money, so they put their observations of weirdness aside.

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

Always, follow the money!

@user-op7iv9cp2u 7 дней назад

I think you'd be surprised how easy it is to have someone take over your mind. Very brave of you both to come forward.

@gigicooper1759 11 дней назад

This was excellent - so informative. I hope they continue to heal and I will check out their broadcast - Thanks Megyn!

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

That clip of him breaking in to her group time was definitely humiliating. I thought it right away.

@albosarge6524 11 дней назад

It was odd how much old Meg directed attention to herself throughout this entire episode

@janicek5098 10 дней назад

MK has had several visceral reactions throughout this interview. I believe she has repressed memories of working in a place where people were severely controlled. I had a similar experience in a professional job where a Masters Degree was a prerequisite. It seems difficult to understand why we wouldn't just leave. It's not about money or power, it's actually about having your self worth dependent on following expectations from a powerful boss and their lackeys. Always reminded in some way, you are the subordinate. Having many peers working along side you in that toxic environment makes it seem normal at the time. I see the similarities. I totally understand MK's analogy to her time at FOX. Am glad if others haven't had that work experience but please don't judge.

@TheBulletzgottishow20 12 дней назад

Wow very interesting

@rebeccagriswold282 9 дней назад

What grown man goes by the name Nippy? WTH over? What a beautiful, brave couple these two are. Bless them and good for them.

@bearg-ma9168 12 дней назад

How is this different from David Koresh? or Epstein? or Jim Jones?

@sandrab2589 11 дней назад

It's no different.

@bearg-ma9168 11 дней назад

@@sandrab2589 Agreed. These "gurus" seem to be successful with the vulnerable who are craving a real family and have money to spare.

@jenniferstevenson1618 10 дней назад

This is much better than the constant politics programming .

@gracew4194 11 дней назад

I'm very intrigued about tomorrow's show. Looking forward to hearing that story.

@robwr737 12 дней назад

Pure evil 😈

@RANTHEEMAN 9 дней назад

"go bears " I've been a silent supporter of this girl, not really silent but the point is, I am a supporter, same wave pattern. I agree with the going well in life, keeping interested . People go the path. Kelly looks well and you can see it. God Bless darn it! "Go Bears!"

@ryanmitchell3108 12 дней назад

I grew up in Albany . And she’s right Albany is mostly working class down to earth . When you hear New York u think nyc.. nope.

@Builder44708 8 дней назад

There were aspects of this that made me think back to pledging a fraternity when I was a kid - which I did of my own free will (I wouldn’t say that frats are necessarily cults). But a similarity that struck me was how we were all aware that if you’d told us at the beginning of the process what we’d have to go through toward the end of the process, we’d have run for the hills. You justify each successively bad thing that you go through by the almost-as-bad thing you just went through. And after a point, what keeps you going is at least in part the threat of having gone through all of it for nothing. It was a long time ago but I remember distinctly that once I got through it myself I never wanted to be around to take part in or even see any of the hazing - just couldn’t stomach it, and I think I felt kind of ashamed that I had degraded myself to be part of a group. I don’t know if fraternities have changed; it’s been almost 25 years for me now, but this really made me think about that in re the extent to which “culty” methods and processes are embedded into different parts of our culture. I wonder if I’m alone in making this association to that experience.

@Jabo__Jabo 12 дней назад

Great series!❤

@harrydrury4734 11 дней назад

Third show . All has me locked in . Good job you guys .

@proverbialpoet2652 12 дней назад

I was there the night of the first Fox News Republican debate 2015 hanging out on " The Kelly File " when all he'll broke loose between Megyn Kelly and Donald Trump but it didn't last long , in fact , I believe within a month Megyn interviewed Donald and they made amends to one another the way reasonable adults do and moved on. Everybody has a bad moment / day...

@proverbialpoet2652 12 дней назад

Perhaps it was two or three months later but soon thereafter ...lol

@juliegarcia8625 11 дней назад

Megyn you should watch the recent Netflix 3 episode doc (2024)story - "Dancing for the Devil" it's heart breaking how these young talented dancers get suck into a cult & how some parents are still trying to get their children back.

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

I sure will. HBO/MAX has a 2-part documentary on Kevin Spacey called, SPACEY UNMASKED. This perv is like his own cult and millions took up for him.

@harrydrury4734 11 дней назад

And , ... Can't wait on this coming show .😊

@pamelaluenig8690 7 дней назад

Thank you for sharing their story.❤

@rebeccakickass1776 12 дней назад

I can't believe that keith got him bronson twins and slept with both of them into NXIVM

@cindydahlgren5279 11 дней назад

It is so hard to explain how you could fall into being so brainwashed and manipulated. People who haven't suffered from this can't believe it. I am here to say it is real. I hear in Sarah the need to explain herself... the horror with herself and the shame..... This shit is so powerful and gripping. After all this time it is still there. Yes and it will stay, but it is working depth of color into your fabric. Prayers for a continued evolution of knowing and peace as you accept WITHOUT SHAME that this will now and forever be a part of you as it is/was a powerful experience. Allow God to take what the devil meant for evil and use it for good and His Glory.

@fredliu3596 12 дней назад

Why are you not talking about Georgia court Young Thug case drama? It is a really heated topic now.

@jd2569 12 дней назад

She's on vacation this week. This is pre-recorded

@marydiggins9294 12 дней назад

It’s Fraud Week. Check out Inside the Law podcast.

@deirdrefinnegan5436 11 дней назад

I am not surprised that a lot of these cults seem to entrap actors. The manipulation techniques they describe remind me of many acting teachers, dance teachers etc.

@gastronomist 12 дней назад

She uses "word salad" and "gas lighting" incorrectly. Also 'negging' is used by pick-up artists, not by "men who can't date women normally". Is it that hard for her to educate herself?

@ladyelainefairchild3546 12 дней назад

She’s still full of herself and using the same bs language that got her in the cult to begin with. She wanted to be a Heather and thrived on being patted on the head.

@karenneville9670 11 дней назад

I am seeing some parallels here from being in the Mormon Church and affiliated church. Although there are many wonderful people I know still going there. People are always a mix of good and bad and everything in between.. no matter what group it is.

@mariemunoz4872 11 дней назад

Talk to Leah Remeny about Scientology. These people sound like the same thing as that group. Talk about money....

@sandrab2589 11 дней назад

I've never felt the need to belong, never been a 'joiner'. In fact, when I was 7 years old, I was kicked out of Brownies (what my mom made me join before getting into Girl Scouts because she said all my friends were doing it.) I told the Brownie leader that I wanted to do something worthwhile, not coloring and stupid construction paper art. And that was that. My mom was horrified. I had zero regrets.

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

I never wanted to join things like that either! Thankfully, my parents honored my wishes. Saved them loads of money, too. LOL

@LittleTaiChiMermaid 9 дней назад

I was kicked out of brownies, too! I think that's a good indicator, that we aren't much on "joining".

@allinthefamilyrecipes4523 11 дней назад

I miss you reporting on the news

@loribernardo2909 11 дней назад

Such a sad story, but at least they are out of that now.

@LittleTaiChiMermaid 9 дней назад

I'm not being flippant, but these people are still susceptible to a cult of lies. They just seem so lost and out of touch with real life. They desperately need a brush with Truth. They desperately need Jesus. He could fill the hole tbey seem to have in their soul.

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

They were in this cult for how long? 🤦‍♀️😢 unbelievable! So sad they fell for this so long!

@ems3991 11 дней назад

I dont see what was worse about any of this than the BDSM people do to their partners every day.

@donaldwilliams8727 12 дней назад

Why are we not talking about the Fundamental Law and The People's Guaranteed rights and how to Stand on them.

@jessevasquez6388 12 дней назад

These people need God!

@lindaseelhorst3898 11 дней назад

This is the first week I don’t like shows at all not making me better person. Sorry

@Taureanfitness 11 дней назад

O, m, g, this is so crazy.I was living in Troy in 2004 and 2005, but I worked in Albany.I can't believe I never heard about this. I moved back to new jersey in the fall of 2005

@saltywinters7174 9 дней назад

I participated in the Landmark course for 13+ years. A phenomenal program! Yep, there were aspects I didn’t like. But I don’t go around disparaging the company with slanderous labels. Honestly, slanderous dribble falling so carelessly from your mouth should be held to account in a court of law.

@biancagadi786 11 дней назад

was she captured, dragged into a room, tied down against her will to be branded? NO, this adult grown woman fully capable of making decisions, a mother on top of it, went freely to have that done to her. Own up lady, instead of blaming. you chose to do that sick procedure. In my book that makes you part of that sick organization

@kritigoel5922 11 дней назад

I enjoy megyn’s one on one interviews and don’t think nippy needed to be there- too many interruptions by him and made the interview a bit annoying

@jenniferstevenson1618 10 дней назад

A cult or con artist will never bother me cuz I don't have anything to take! Perfect.

@Debbie56 12 дней назад

I’m Canadian and I have no idea what this episode is about. Maybe that’s a good thing.

@Liz-in8lu 12 дней назад

I’m American and I have no idea what this episode is about. 😂

@Nuschler22 12 дней назад

Apparently, this woman went on to have three of her own slaves. If you believe she was the victim, you're more gullible than she pretends to be.

@Roxy0405 12 дней назад

Yep. The victim went on to become a victimizer. Power corrupts.

@catherinewattley420 12 дней назад

I agree, thats when I got turned off by this Sarah (um she's bright and moral?) give me a break..no red flag when you become a "slave master"? Wow, just wow..these two like the attention, "aspiring actor" says it all

@megvoss3329 12 дней назад

A victim can become an abuser. Not unheard of at all. Both things can be true at the same time.

@RAY-uh3np 11 дней назад

I agree! When I saw her on one of the many documentary series, she tried to paint herself as a complete and utter victim. IMO, she should have been charged along with the other females. I believe that she quickly threw others under the bus in order to save herself and her husband and then she subsequently went on to portray herself as a victim. Yet, she made a massive amount of money through the period scheme as she was at the top.

@andreahunter2471 11 дней назад

@@RAY-uh3npI believe they addressed that one woman went to jail because she remained loyal to Keith. This couple did the right thing when they pulled themselves out, and then went on to pursue shutting down Keith and the whole criminal operation. Nippy kept using the word “diabolical”…when you are a victim of such dark forces of seduction, if it takes the threat of jail and immunity deals to bring down the mastermind and the whole organization, then so be it. You can’t judge their sincerity without knowing them personally, or having recorded evidence on them like they had on Keith and Allison. So, why not be glad they saw the light and then shined it on the darkness to expose the evil and get rid of it. She didn’t go to jail because she redeemed herself and we shouldn’t look to victimize people any further when they seek redemption.

@mferla9934 11 дней назад

Funny. This reminds me of Scientology. Total manipulation

@julien6123 12 дней назад

10 min in and I still don't know what tis is other than a cult

@Liz-in8lu 12 дней назад

Me too! What is the story? I’m so bored by these two. Not captivating at all. Yawn. No wonder they were followers.

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

@@Liz-in8luThank you for sharing your perfection. Oh wait, it just was lost with that judgey comment.

@Liz-in8lu 9 дней назад

@@DebbiSmithDC go to H. You’re even worse for needing to reply. You can’t just let things go. You think your opinion matters to me. Nasty

@sweetjustice4u181 7 дней назад

That brand also shows the initials of Allison Mack AM if you look closely at it. At the time this came out some anti cult professionals mentioned it looked like the intertwining of both Keith and Allison. It sure looks like it.

@allen2634 11 дней назад

Where are these people getting their money from? To me that's the biggest part of the story and it's all left out.

@biancagadi786 11 дней назад

when people have no faith, just about any scam such as this can get them hooked. Really? an adult keeps going after there is talk of slavery, branding, revealing personal info as collateral?..........also, the moment anyone pushes some kind of deadline (48 hours), that should be an immediate NO THANK YOU, I WILL THINK ABOUT IT, BYE BYE

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

So interesting about something I knew nothing about. Great what this couple doing but he says, “like” so often, I was distracted!

@BL-yv1el 11 дней назад

Megyn, how about doing a show about Q-anon sometime. I would love to hear that back and forth.

@artsahobby123 12 дней назад

MK-ULTRA. Read "The Poisoner In Chief" by Stephen Kinzer.

@Curubita6503 11 дней назад

Vanguard looks like the pot head in the 70’s show!! Lol

@DebbiSmithDC 10 дней назад

Why is Megyn bringing in her own experience at Fox? Guessing this is why she is having them. Enjoying this episode, though. It reminds me of when someone posts a vulnerable issue (pet dying, etc.), and then everyone comments about how they felt when their pet died! Thankfully, Megyn has the platform here to let them talk.

@user-bk9tz6pw1e 12 дней назад

Please talk about the super corrupt Fulton chief judge, disgraceful.

@judy4183 11 дней назад

Four letter f words once unleashed are a drug much like the cult. The young woman needs to work on awareness and self control. It may help her make better choices in the future. I had to turn off the interview once she started abusing my good will to listen to her as she self soothed herself with her foul language.