Freeman Dyson - Is Intelligent Design Evidence of God? 

The more time i spend on this earth the more i realize how little i know or can comprehend about the nature of reality

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I agree with him that one shouldn’t confuse science with philosophy. I agree that everything that is living in the universe is probably an expression of the universe as is everything else as it is part of the universe but whether it has purpose is debatable. We give purpose to our lives as a means to incentive of genetic evolution as with all species which may well differ from species to species.

There is no evidence of any underlying purpose. That's how he feels. He feels there is a purpose. Like he said, "If we don't have a purpose, you might as well say goodbye. You can't live without a purpose." I say to that, "Well, then create one."

I don't know about God but I'm pretty sure there are forces in action in forming all this incredible complexity that we have no idea of.

There may or not be a creator of the universe but to believe in an interventionist God is quite a stretch.

Goodness is God, and we are creations who experience goodness from learning what goodness are. Peace be upon us all

The irony is under foot, is in the air, the stars, our eyes. We are oblivious.

If we define God as whatever existed from the beginning, then God exists, as it does not look logical to consider that nothing (including God) existed in the beginning. At the same time, the existence of God is not our concern, it is the possibility of life after death that worries us. The existence of God does not imply the existence of life after death or vice versa. We haven't got any definite clue in this regard so far.

Not true u can live with out purpose u can live without god

Not outside the universe but outside the scientific picture of the universe.

That's it, I believe the same thing as he said. But I don't believe about soul's existence.

When was this video made?

First, we are minerals, then plants, then animals then spiritual. You and I are spiritual infants. Our level of consciousness continues to grow, as does our abilities. We have no choice, we are forever but since we are newborns, we require a lot of attention and we get it. Your conscience is your guide. It only gets more complex, as do we. Smile, you are loved.

I liked the video but I disagree with Freeman... he is being too vague on his stance. One foot here and one foot there... I would have liked RL Kuhn to have challenged him more.

Evidence is strong word. Design is subjective feeling like intelligent design. In massive disasters it disappears from our minds.

Some theologies claim universes exist beyond physical level the simulation game theory is somewhat a 15% framework of what universe operates in. Its not finite or predetermined but as its own sets of operators in which it exists.

Freeman Dyson’s ideas here are a classic case of overcomplicating the simple. First, the argument from design is just humans projecting their need for purpose onto the universe. Just because we feel like there's a purpose doesn't mean there actually is. The universe is indifferent, and life is the result of natural processes, not some grand cosmic plan. As for "mind" at different levels-from quantum mechanics to the universe having a consciousness-this is pure speculation without any real evidence. It sounds interesting, but it’s an unnecessary leap to imagine atoms or the universe itself having anything like free will or awareness. Dyson’s idea of a God evolving with the universe is equally puzzling. A god that learns and grows through us? That’s just anthropocentric storytelling, a way to avoid the harsher reality that the universe simply doesn’t care. Finally, while he rejects the anthropic principle, his "mind-centered universe" still clings to the comforting, yet flawed, idea that the universe revolves around intelligence. It doesn’t. The universe is chaos, and we’re just a blip in it. Trying to infuse it with consciousness or purpose is philosophical handwaving. Dyson’s comfort with mystery is fine, but let’s not romanticize the unknown with these half-baked metaphysical ideas.

So, Dyson believes design leads to evolution which has a mind of its own. Therefore science helps mankind to think beyond into the mysterious reality of metaphysics when consciousness becomes the fundamental reality based on which life and cosmic consciousness comes to existence.

It's no argument becasue the counter is who designed god.

God's Intelligent Design as believed by believers in the church interpretation of the word of God consists of this: God Created mortal beings that he placed upon the Earth and left there to decay and die, but before they do these beings must suffer if they don't follow God's orders of believing in the form of Jesus and worshipping that form as the Only way to God. These beings not only suffer from illness, lack, trauma, cancer, pain, hate, and all sorts of crazy things while on Earth, but before they die they also must accept Jesus to "save" their Souls that are in danger of Eternal Damnation....more or less!! Now mind you, Christianity will have you believe God sent a "savior" to Earth for three years after an eternity of no savior, and the last two thousand years of darkness, suffering, wars, famine, disease, etc, are simply the consequences of crucifying this "savior" while waiting for this "savior" to return to grab a few souls to take to Heaven while the rest are placed into an even greater evil called Eternal Damnation with Lucifer. This is Paganism at it's Best! This is what Spiritual Truth calls the NATURAL MAN'S FOOLISHNESS of Spiritual Things, as well as the Wide Gate Leading only to Death. Also sounds like such a Loving God. Christianity sees God as an Imperfect Being that created an Imperfect World filled with Imperfect beings, and this belief is of the mind of the Anti-Christ. This natural man also believes he is called to Correct what God Allows to Happen by calling it SIN so he can Elevate Himself not only above his neighbor, but above God as well, and this is the Self-Righteousness of True Heresy. If God is a Delusional, Power Hungry, Psychotic Mad Man as the church believes, this Christian Intelligent Design Belief is Absolute Brilliance, but if God is All-Encompassing, Omnipresent, Incorporeal, Immortal Spirit, then the Intelligent Design must be of Its own Immortal self, not of birth, suffering, decay, and death! Spiritual Letters such as those found in the bible are talking about the Infinite Identity of Your True Self "Within," not about a world of images outside of you. Everything speaks to the Father Within, the Soul, not the finite image, this is why it is said to "take no thought for your life." God's Intelligent Design tells you exactly what it is in the first line of Genesis for those with the Ear to hear: "In the Beginning, God Created the Heaven and the Earth" This one sentence puts everything else in the bible into a Perspective that no natural man can Discern, so unless this one line is Understood through God Awareness, which is Spiritual Discernment, the Bible is just a set of religious beliefs with complicated doctrines and rituals without a purpose. The True Message of the Bible is so Pro-Spirit that by default it is Anti-Religious in every way, right down to Symbolizing Religious Beliefs as the Hated Deeds and Doctrine of the Nicolaitans. DIVINE WILL = God/Infinite Awareness/Divine Consciousness/Kingdom of God/All-Encompassing/FATHER DIVINE MANIFESTATION = Individualized God Soul Consciousness/Son/MOTHER DIVINE DEMONSTRATION = Soul Body/Image/HOLY SPIRIT **Honor thy Father and thy Mother** Every Image is God being Itself in Infinitely Different Progressions of Receptivity to Itself Appearing as the finite images we call form and life. This is why we are told not to Judge After Appearances, and Judge ye no man after the flesh, as well as, take no thought for your life, because God is the Only Presence!! Where we appear to see, smell, taste, touch, or hear the image, any image, we must know it is God being itself in perfect receptivity to itself appearing as the image and the activity of the image, this way we don't judge the image in any way, thereby using what is called: Righteous Judgment. We can certainly know the belief is the belief in God Amiss, but we must refrain from judging the Image and Activity of the Demonstration of this, as this is the Image of the Souls Progression back to Infinite Awareness called the Holy Spirit. When this appears to take place for you, you can guarantee that God Soul Consciousness Awareness is Unfolding, and this will be the beginning of the Appearance of Building Receptivity to this Principle. We can't Be, Love, Hate, Obey, Disobey, Honor, Dishonor, or Worship God because it is God which is Being Us, even though the Mystery of God lies in the Appearance of the Belief in Free Will....!

Brilliant mind ❤

If God evolved with the universe, he can not be God. He should be just like us, as you claim, product of evolution.

If you're interested in what Duson is saying, check out Sir Roger Penrose on consciousness.

This is always where 'science' dares not go--the why of something. Why gravity? Why consciousness? The question is meaningless, they say.

It's better than letting humans think they created it.

We are inside something far greater than ourselves..to comment on what that is is naive.the universe might have a purpose that might not be all about us..

My toenails were designed to grow continuously, regardless of length. I have to cut them every year, which is a nuisance. That doesn't seem very intelligent to me.

So to explain the existence of the universe he supposes the existence of a mind that chose to make it this way. Great. Only one problem. Now we have to explain the existence of this mind, and why it would make such a choice. So rather than actually explaining the strangeness and unlikeliness of universe, now we've got to explain something even more strange and unlikely, and then still also why that had such a state that it created our strange and unlikely universe. This is progress?

In his last book, ‘Brief answers to the Big Questions’, Professor Stephen Hawking contrasted Einstein’s dictum that “God does not throw dice”, with his own observation: “all the evidence is that God is quite a gambler. The Universe is like a giant casino, with dice being rolled, or wheels being spun, on every occasion.” I agree with Dr Hawking. However, I believe that ‘God’ made the dice, but ‘God’ does not throw the dice. ‘God’ built ‘The House’, ‘God’ set the odds, and then ‘God’ gave us the dice. ‘God’ lets us throw them as often as we choose, as no matter how many times we throw them, as ‘God’ knows, ‘The House’ will always win. I am a living, self-conscious, processor of Information, in a Universe where everything is Information and Energy, and where, if there is a purpose, it could be characterised as “Information seeking understanding through experience”. Carl Sagan captured it best when he said, “We are a way for The Cosmos to know itself”.

Omniscient - God doesn't participate in time. He isn't circumscribed to the delimitations of mass and magnitude, i.e., the temporal and the spatial. Understanding the finitide mind and the delimitations thereof is how we come to the conclusion that God is omniscient. For there are two fundamental things in the universe: the shower head and the drain. Man is caught up with what comes out of the shower head and cares not what happens when it goes down the drain. God is the abode of the antecedent in showerhead and the ends of dissolution in the drain. Therefore, God is all-knowing. Something imerges and such things disolve - what, therefore, is this unseeable substratum?

So who or what was the intelligent designer of your god thing????

This guy builds spheres.

Different idea of “science” than that from which “telos” and “physics” emerged… anachronistic to apply his critique to their formulation as such. So far as his analysis is strictly historical it is likewise not “scientific” in definition (which is fine so long as it is not confused otherwise)…

What "purpose" is he presuming is there?? He sounds like a creationist! ("The Universe has some kind of mental apparatus") , Explain that bro!

I believe in God, but I'm not going to watch this full video because I'm not interested in bad arguments. First, you labeled the video, “Is Intelligent Design Evidence of God?” If you change "God" to "a Creator", then you have a circular question that answers itself. Second, Lawrence immediately started painting the creation argument in negative terms, which I found belies his claim to open-mindedness. He seems to have chosen his side. Third, the very first thing Freeman does is hamstring everything that comes afterward by separating the answer from scientific inquiry while the question is born in trying to ask if what we learn about a universe perfectly tuned for life is scientific evidence for God? That's enough for me. I'll catch the next episode. There's only so much stupid I can take without a net.

Ummmmm... since there is no evidence of intelligent design, then it can't be evidence of any sky daddy.

subjective free will causation designs experience of God in cosmos?

No.

​@simonhibbs887 ​All that existed from the beginning put together may be defined as God. Everything else has come into existence from these that existed from the beginning. If someone wants to worship God practicing some rituals, it is the individual's interest. God doesn't lack anything and doesn't need human worship either.

Everything in Existance is the design of god, and god is the design of knowledge in universe, god is created by intelligence of universe and humans are the intelectualpart of God, Everything belongs to god but the things anyone doesnt know but is known by someone is the sign of the existence of god, blah blah, Bhagwan blame kiss ka ek kiss ka God is the enjoyment of present moment with a meaning discovered for enjoyment is all about life, kuch bhi chalega Prabhu Zi Zab Earth Aapki 🌗Goldy🌓

There is no good evidence for creationism. And there is no good evidence for the existence of a deity either.

I think Existence trumps Mechanism. " I Am", is a profound and holy name, and the " is-ness " of everything, including yourself and your consciousness, is a thing mysterious and wonderful. Our science, employed around Him as our axis of rotation is a wonderful tool and toy. Our tools and toys as substitute explanations, are just absurd.

God is the I in the Sleeping Dreaming State using the Mind Device to create a world inside its imagination. The reason why everything seems so confusing is because the "MIND" is sleeping and dreaming.. The I Real Self is asleep inside of the dream and the Mind has created a body Avatar to explore the dream creation. The Existence Is The I Self. The I Exist as the Duality the Dream and The NonDuality "The Real". The I animating the Body in the same manner the I animate the Real of the Existence. The I Animating the Body is a fractal shattered Self in the duality. The I in the Body is in the Sleeping Dreaming State. That Which The I call God is the I, not wearing a body and in the "Supreme Ego" State. All Light is Being Obscured from the Self and the Mind - The Consciousness. All Is I Self. I Am All. The I and I is exploring inside the I dream Creation. Time To Awake From The Sleeping Dreaming State. THIS WORLD IS A DREAM. ALL IS ONE. "Out of One Came Many". Out Of Many We Are One". All Is Myself.

Wow, even folks like Dyson struggle with the problem of purpose - which is a deeply anthropocentric question. For a snale or a rock, the universe needs no purpose. Only humans ask that question. The argument of intelligent design itself is weak: a godlike, omnipotent designer wouldn't have built such a messy, life-denying universe (for the most part) if he really wanted to create mankind, life and beauty in the first place imo.

Even a designer had to be designed. That's right folks, it's designers all the way up !

He said before that he was a Socinian. Sort of a Whiteheadean.

This guy is good

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What a brilliant reconciled body , mind and soul .

2:38 Eternity is the purpose. Which can be validated by science. Like in mathematics as well.

CTMU ?

No one has ever been able to prove the origins of first life in the universe; the self-replicating cell. No one has ever been able to create life from non-living things. This is enough for me to allow the possibility of intelligence in the creation of life, if not the universe.

Guest speaker has proved that scientists do exist . 😂

"I am a practicing Christian but not a believing Christian." Freeman Dyson. The problem with evolutionary theology a la Whitehead and Dyson is that it simply postpones whether God is relevant to how we live our lives. If He grows when we grow in mind and choice, then He is our creature. He can't exist or make up His mind without our help!

Humans imagine purpose. Existence just is. God is a cope. 😮

Are earthquakes, tornados, deadly diseases, mosquitos to spread them part of God's design?

Two completely confused fellows living a meaningless life... they need to question physical death and its significance... wasted life...

300,000 gods later and we are still playing the game of my god did it.

Every argument for God is an argument from design at one level or another.

It's not the universe itself having purpose, it is God or the Personal Infinite Mind that gives the universe its purpose to function according to God's providential governance. He is right about science is limited to know what philosophy and theology can add to knowing that God is the best explanation of all things.

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Common sense is out of favor? 😂

God is a man made construct. Lots of cultures = lots of gods. Funny thing that 🤣

So sad watching humans exaggerate their importance in the universe. This is not even a legitimate question.

Everything in life is based on design, from creating a movie to writing a song to preparing a meal to building a house. There is nothing in life that is not design based. Yet, when it comes to the argument of biology, suddenly there is no design, and if you mention design, you are labeled an idiot. Take a step back and look at your hands, your heart, your eyes and the structure, the functionality, the tremendous complexity....and reflect... I'm not saying adopt any current religious views, but think of life and biology in a deeper sense

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Intelligent design could be evidence of Penrose's CCC.

(2:00) *FD: **_"I think it's quite likely that the universe has some sort of a mental apparatus which you can call God if you like."_* ... And that's a good way to put it. Theism posits the highest conceivable level of intelligence (God) and atheism posits no intelligence whatsoever. ... As with most speculations, the truth lies somewhere in between. The most logical conclusion is that there is a *minimum amount of intelligence* woven into the fabric of reality. The amount that is present is only that which is minimally required to facilitate *orchestration.* Its presence is so integral and minimalistic that it can't be isolated. This is why we have the ongoing debate over "fine tuning." ... A minimum amount of orchestration results in half of everyone claiming _total randomness_ and the other half claiming _divine orchestration._ It's much like a Jackson Pollock painting. Did he just randomly pour paint onto his canvases, or did he have a game plan all along? ... As someone who has seen his works up close, ... _he definitely knew what he was doing!_ ... Logic states that you're not going to end up with any type of organized, repeatable structure without some level of intelligence being involved.

These people really twist themselves into any number of contortions to try and make this work. So stubborn and self-important.

physical nature of cosmos inside God's mind all around it?

This dude went around his asshole to get to his elbow and said nothing.....