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French Underfolding Paratrooper Rifle: MAS 36 CR39 

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The CR39 ("crosse repliable", or folding stock) is the paratrooper version of the MAS 36. The need for a more compact and transportable pattern was recognized almost as soon as the MAS 36 was finalized, originally for paratroops but in practice also for alpine troops. Two years were spent devising the new rifle, starting in 1937, and in 1939 is was formally adopted. The barrel was shortened about 5 inches (from 575mm to 450mm), and the wooden stock replaced by a cast aluminum stock that folded underneath the action. A unique and very cool sling design went Alon with the new stock; a spring winder (like a car's seat belt) was fitted in the stock so that the sling would coil up neatly as the stock was folded. These winders are rather fragile, however, and usually broken today.
A small number of CR39s were produced before the 1940 armistice, and production restarted almost immediately upon liberation of St Etienne. The CR39 would remain in production until 1960, with almost 34,000 made in total. For more information, check out my new book, Chassepot to FAMAS: French Military Rifles 1866-2016 - now in stock and shipping!
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@widgren87
@widgren87 4 года назад
At first glance that stock looked really uncomfortable but then the close ups made it look only "slightly" uncomfortable...
@zaikolebolsh5724
@zaikolebolsh5724 4 года назад
It has a good shape but if you will use in the snow the "leather cover" will be your cheek but in the desert you will have a portable frying pan
@widgren87
@widgren87 4 года назад
@@zaikolebolsh5724 does not sound fun...
@zaikolebolsh5724
@zaikolebolsh5724 4 года назад
@@widgren87 because it isn't
@RichieRichOverdrive
@RichieRichOverdrive 4 года назад
I don't know... It has a certain quality to it. I kinda want one.
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 4 года назад
It looks like it just waiting to cause someone pain to me 🤣
@zaqzilla1
@zaqzilla1 4 года назад
I love paratrooper versions. B/c a half century later everyone went, "Wait a minute. Those guys who carry everything on foot might want a compact weapon too.".
@xandercager5276
@xandercager5276 4 года назад
@@TheRealColBosch Except most engagements in Afghanistan are beyond the M4's range...
@KimerikKukka
@KimerikKukka 4 года назад
@@xandercager5276 Call weapons company, artillery, CAS... modern army has tools for everybody.
@xandercager5276
@xandercager5276 4 года назад
@@TheRealColBosch look up Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking back the Infantry Half-Kilometer written by a US Army Major at the Command and General Staff college instead of asking random people.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 3 года назад
@@TheRealColBosch And then bull pups became a thing so you can have a 22” barrel in a rifle shorter than an M4...
@Danheron2
@Danheron2 2 года назад
@@TheRealColBosch One thing you gotta appreciate about the AK family is they always had folding stocks from the very beginning they knew that was gonna be a thing
@ianturner1704
@ianturner1704 4 года назад
For anyone curious, he had videos hidden on the channel and only just released them publicly, this is why it was uploaded 4 months ago but hasn't been seen.
@ArcturusOTE
@ArcturusOTE 4 года назад
Suppose it's getting (eventually, soon) unlisted in honor of the release of Ian's French rifle book?
@Lena-sr3pb
@Lena-sr3pb 4 года назад
@@ArcturusOTE possibly but also he just has a release schedule where he films in different locations several videos in advance, if he released them all we would get a bunch of content at once and then nothing for a while
@TheWarDogSquad
@TheWarDogSquad 4 года назад
This not the old ones? I thought he already reviewed it last year iirc
@Hubert_Cumberdale_
@Hubert_Cumberdale_ 4 года назад
That explaines alot
@QuantumCat76
@QuantumCat76 4 года назад
I figured Ian has a lof of video's shot from several themes, auctions and musea, but releases them criss cross not to bore the audience, for staying with one theme / location etc too long: for variation & diversity
@anonymous2513456
@anonymous2513456 4 года назад
Reminds of the old saying about French Engineering and imitation being the ultimate flattery "The French copy nobody and nobody copies the French"
@magoid
@magoid 4 года назад
Today we can ask why they didn't build it side folding, but I have a impression that under/over folding stocks was really common at the time. So maybe the engineers were just following the trends, after all, the whole rifle was conceived to be as simple as possible (for the time).
@tenchraven
@tenchraven 4 года назад
George Kelgren's first company, Grendal Arms, their folding SRT rifle seems to be heavily inspired by this. Didn't have the sling, but close.
@billy.g3597
@billy.g3597 4 года назад
The French engineers were given a problem and solved it with a French solution. A bit like a Citreon 2CV car !!!.
@sidobakul7008
@sidobakul7008 4 года назад
Actually japanese copy french weapon with a little improvement
@jackwacaster7621
@jackwacaster7621 3 года назад
There seems to be a certain quirkiness if not whimsy in french small arms design .
@greyhoundTex
@greyhoundTex 4 года назад
That grip looks horrendously uncomfortable.
@alexguymon7117
@alexguymon7117 4 года назад
I'd still take it over an early STEN
@deranathonarkantos6712
@deranathonarkantos6712 4 года назад
Alex Winebrenner Seriously, those were truly horrendous! If I had to put up with one of those, I’d Jerry-rig a better grip with some cloth scraps and tape in the field and maybe later carve some wooden scales and bolt them together through the hole in the “grip”.
@CrudeConduct666
@CrudeConduct666 4 года назад
Oh yah
@adamc6371
@adamc6371 4 года назад
still looks more comfortable than CA compliant grips
@nickrowe7451
@nickrowe7451 4 года назад
Honestly I’d jerry rig a pistol grip to fit in that gaping stock
@fashtaki1
@fashtaki1 4 года назад
French army: "We want a paratrooper rifle" Tefal: "Say no more"
@aritakalo8011
@aritakalo8011 4 года назад
Tefal wasn't around when the model was designed. Tefal was founded in 1956 (otherwise the joke was good.)
@mattford4056
@mattford4056 4 года назад
Chipsopasta it looks pretty good, but can we get a surrender handle on it.
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 4 года назад
@Mack Sarnie I have seen others that look just like this,Ian said later ones had a green rubberised coat but havnt seen one myself
@ferdinanddestouches3085
@ferdinanddestouches3085 4 года назад
@@mattford4056 So amazed by yank victories in Korea, Vietnam, Irak and Afghanistan...
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 4 года назад
@Mack Sarnie That's what aluminum looks like after many decades of corrosion. When new it would have been smooth and shiny.
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer 4 года назад
When you think about it, this was one of the few pre-MAS-49 French rifles to feature a mechanical safety, by way of having the stock obscure the trigger mechanism when folded.
@smith5796
@smith5796 3 года назад
Ha. The safety is half the rifle.
@CarsonRH
@CarsonRH Год назад
@##### Smith it's halfway safe.
@morono4016
@morono4016 4 года назад
Anything paratrooper has a special place in my heart, always some interesting innovation incorporated into them.
@sirmister5383
@sirmister5383 4 года назад
I can't imagine being in desert storm with modern bullpups all around, and getting handed one of these antiquated folders. What a way for your c.o. to play favourites
@wes11bravo
@wes11bravo 4 года назад
I'm not hating on it - it's definitely a cool rifle but can you imagine getting handed one of these in 1990? You'd look at the kid in the arms room and say, "What in the f**k am I supposed to do with this? Hang it over my fireplace?"
@88porpoise
@88porpoise 4 года назад
It makes a lot of sense as a survival rifle in an aircraft. Nice and compact to stick in some hole in the plane. The full powered rifle round nice for tanking down potentially large fauna you may encounter. You aren’t meant to use it if you see serious armed opposition.
@wes11bravo
@wes11bravo 4 года назад
@@88porpoise - fair enough. Though I'd wager it was issued so late out of expediency more than anything.
@88porpoise
@88porpoise 4 года назад
Wes Harris Oh, it certainly was. But if you keep in mind the expected usage (ie not getting into a firefight with enemy troops) it isn’t a terrible idea.
@methodeetrigueur1164
@methodeetrigueur1164 4 года назад
In « desert storm » french air force crews had MAS 36 CR 39 and PAMAS (Beretta 92 under license).
@thibaudduhamel2581
@thibaudduhamel2581 4 года назад
The movie project for which "Fake" Cr 39s were made is the wonderfully underappreciated french movie "Dien Bien phu", about the battle of the same name. It was directed by Pierre Schoenderffer, a former french war correspondant that actually was dropped on Dien Bien Phu in the later stages of the battle, and spent a few years in a viet minh prison camp after the fall of the french defenses. I would advise anybody interesssted in the battle to watch this movie, it is absolutely wonderful (and, as a french, gutwrenching).
@natalyasparrow6748
@natalyasparrow6748 4 года назад
Having a bare metal stock isn't just uncomfortable when it's cold; in temperatures well below freezing, it'll peel your skin off.
@arcane_rogue3440
@arcane_rogue3440 4 года назад
That's what I immediately thought of when he mentioned cold climate, i imagine a lot of cloth wrapping(or duck taping) happened in the more extreme climates.
@AuzFrog
@AuzFrog Год назад
Yep ! And the easiest way to deal with this, was tu put a sock , or the sleeve of an old shirt on it!🙂
@laurentdevaux5617
@laurentdevaux5617 6 месяцев назад
And it did peel skin off. That's why some rifles had their stock covered with a kind of plastic film
@Jemson
@Jemson 4 года назад
When my grandfather did his military service, he got enlisted in the 17ème RGP (Regiment du Génie Parachutiste - 17th Parachute Engineer Regiment) and was issued what I guess would be the CR39 (he mentioned it having a folding stock, and since he went through the military service in the early 60s I'd guess that's the rifle he had).
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 4 года назад
This is the only folding-stock rifle the French military issued, so yes.
@Jemson
@Jemson 4 года назад
@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you for the reply, can't wait to receive my copy of Chassepot to FAMAS to learn more about it as well as the other rifles !
@jean-pascalesparceil9008
@jean-pascalesparceil9008 4 года назад
@@Jemson In the late 70s I saw SIDE folding stock US M1A1 carbines in a "portes ouvertes" PR week-end in the 17ème RGP barracks in Montauban. So it might also be this weapons he was issued with.
@chrisd8866
@chrisd8866 4 года назад
@@jean-pascalesparceil9008 I was going to ask when they stopped using M1A1s, so both options are possible I guess.
@DeanmC261993
@DeanmC261993 4 года назад
I like your avatar
@tsartomato
@tsartomato 4 года назад
>>my new book is now in stock! >>misses the opportunity to actually have an actual book in actual stock great gun great video
@georgewashington92
@georgewashington92 4 года назад
Rest of the world: You can't jump with full-length rifles! Rhodesians: hold my shorts
@MrDgwphotos
@MrDgwphotos 4 года назад
US Airborne troops during WW2 did jump with full length Garands. (not that there were any other variants of the Garand made, to begin with)
@georgewashington92
@georgewashington92 4 года назад
@@MrDgwphotos Garands were disassembled when put into the drop bag. Trigger group, stock and barrel and receiver group
@grahamlopez6202
@grahamlopez6202 4 года назад
@@MrDgwphotos we also had the m1 carbine and the Thompson
@MrDgwphotos
@MrDgwphotos 4 года назад
@@grahamlopez6202 Note that I did NOT say that the Garand was the only weapon the US Airborne troopers carried during WW2.
@grahamlopez6202
@grahamlopez6202 4 года назад
@@MrDgwphotos I know, i wasnt bashing you, just reminding you incase you'd forgotten
@pripjatyfighter3786
@pripjatyfighter3786 4 года назад
French pilots in the Desert Storm: we have the oldest rifle in the Coalition Forces! American tank crews with M3 Grease guns: hold my beer...
@CAMSLAYER13
@CAMSLAYER13 4 года назад
It just werks tm
@Libelnon
@Libelnon 4 года назад
These are older than Grease Guns.
@Col_Mustard
@Col_Mustard 4 года назад
@@Libelnon my guess is survival rifles were picked up among the most up to date ones, it would make sense not to choose the most obselete pre WWII ones. So grease guns were older.
@DjDolHaus86
@DjDolHaus86 4 года назад
Ma Deuce clears her throat...
@TheGophernutzz
@TheGophernutzz 4 года назад
@@TheRealColBosch About 5 years ago an workers at Anniston Army Depot received a M2 to upgrade. The serial number is the best part. the serial number is 324. Yes, you read that write number 324.
@JPR3D
@JPR3D 4 года назад
Neat. Had I not seen this video and encountered that rifle I would have thought the rear stock had been broken previously and someone with a metalworking hobby fudded up a new one.
@davehurst5784
@davehurst5784 4 года назад
Iirc, this rifle was on the BATF restricted list for a while because the rifle's folded OAL length was too short to be imported.
@wes11bravo
@wes11bravo 4 года назад
@@justacatwalkingonakeyboard4454 - I'll say - can you imagine the veritable explosion of crime that would have ensued if they would have imported these?!? Whew! Close one!
@nikkigarand7258
@nikkigarand7258 4 года назад
I'm dying to see you make a video of the Swiss Vetterli rifle. An 1860-80's era 12 shot bolt action repeater that loads like a Winchester.
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 4 года назад
He mentioned Swiss in video about first Winchester as they did not wanted the rifle but took the patent.
@ianray8823
@ianray8823 4 года назад
Last time I was this early the French were using rimmed ammo
@theobuzat9091
@theobuzat9091 4 года назад
@cody sonnet wait...did we start WW2? The Franco-Prussian war was starter by the French but.... not to be remenber ^^
@chumccurry1765
@chumccurry1765 4 года назад
cody sonnet agreed.
@theobuzat9091
@theobuzat9091 4 года назад
@cody sonnet Damnn that some French + British bashing if i ever heard some. Plus some anti-jewish claims....really ?
@CAMSLAYER13
@CAMSLAYER13 4 года назад
@@theobuzat9091 wow, when did the Jews come into this?
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 4 года назад
@@theobuzat9091 well I was with you about the French and British,amongst many others.........Jews though dude.. c'mon man
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 4 года назад
Finally - a MAS 36 I can EDC.
@tttt3487
@tttt3487 4 года назад
Very evocative is the image of these dropping with the lions into Dien Bien Phu. I suspect not many came out in French hands...
@culshie
@culshie 4 года назад
Possibly one of the HomeLiest French Rifles ever and that is saying a lot when talking of French Rifles, sorry Ian...
@KKovacsUSN
@KKovacsUSN 4 года назад
NGL, engineer a polymer and semi-auto version and this would sell today.
@stilllife8
@stilllife8 4 года назад
Keltec basically did, it's the SU16.
@natalyasparrow6748
@natalyasparrow6748 4 года назад
After I watching this, I had the sudden desire to buy a cheap ass Savage or similar sub $300 bolt gun, make an underfolding stock for it, and use it as a rock blaster. Maybe even rebarrel to 7.5x54mm for shiggles.
@lukehotchkiss2022
@lukehotchkiss2022 4 года назад
In lieu of bidens comments, please do the ar 14.
@ArcturusOTE
@ArcturusOTE 4 года назад
Has he done the original Armalite AR-15? The one with the charging handle in the carry handle like AR-10?
@enriquekahn9405
@enriquekahn9405 4 года назад
I second the motion
@jankaas4504
@jankaas4504 4 года назад
Whats up with that joke? Please explain!
@archenema6792
@archenema6792 4 года назад
@@jankaas4504 Biden said he won't confiscate all guns if elected, just "AR-14s". It's generally been taken as another example of his descent into dementia.
@jankaas4504
@jankaas4504 4 года назад
@@archenema6792 hahaha jesus christ, great one gents👌
@CeltKnight
@CeltKnight 4 года назад
Want to defeat Coronovirus? Stay at home, order Ian's book, sit back with a good whiskey and read it cover to cover. :) Ian's book ... it's more than a fun encyclopedia, it's a public health service! :)
@wilsonlaidlaw
@wilsonlaidlaw 4 года назад
Ian, any thoughts as to why the stock would not have been painted or anodised French military dark green? Not only would this have protected the aluminium but made the rifle less visible as well.
@charleslindberg829
@charleslindberg829 4 года назад
How many serial number locations do you want? Yes.
@thesturm8686
@thesturm8686 4 года назад
Ze germans : vell vell, vat do ve have here?!
@jh8146
@jh8146 4 года назад
Ian "Today we are looking at a French...." Me (Hits LIKE immediately)
@rwseemore1
@rwseemore1 4 года назад
The french have a knack for making the ugliest rifles in the world
@SHDW-nf2ki
@SHDW-nf2ki 4 года назад
"That sling winder is permanently built into the stock" Nothing is permanent when it comes to the boundless idiocy of gun modders
@sasquatchman22
@sasquatchman22 4 года назад
Thats how we get cool new guns though, with gun modders tinkering with shit.
@leppeppel
@leppeppel 4 года назад
New playlists = new easter egg videos
@DrFrankn_MrStein
@DrFrankn_MrStein 4 года назад
Keltec eat your heart out
@ryanallison1100
@ryanallison1100 3 года назад
That sling winder is a delightful and genius little detail.... love these videos!
@FredCheckers
@FredCheckers 4 года назад
I always wondered who the parents of the SU-16 were but I think we just found the father.
@TheCheezburg3r
@TheCheezburg3r 4 года назад
I feel like I'm part of a special club for seeing this before it actually published
@comradesam3382
@comradesam3382 4 года назад
How did you do it?
@CAMSLAYER13
@CAMSLAYER13 4 года назад
You technically are
@veuzou
@veuzou 4 года назад
Nice but please don't show that kind of thing in the US or some people are really going to believe we had rifles specifically designed to be dropped!
@trr94001
@trr94001 4 года назад
That aluminum stock almost looks worm eaten. Given that it’s a casting I wonder how much of that surface texture came from the factory.
@mereth13
@mereth13 4 года назад
That kind of grain/pattern/coloration can happen with aluminum that has a lot of impurities in it or is alloyed in odd ways. As to the texture itself, I'd guess that the castings were not particularly well finished in the first place (beyond deburring), but aging of aluminum via exposure to air and other elements naturally eats away at the material, a process that's definitely made worse by the finish.
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 4 года назад
That looks a lot like a toy rifle played with as a kid in the late 70s lol
@ajeje1996
@ajeje1996 4 года назад
Ew. Makes the Cobray Terminator and the Sten look comfortable.
@Gojiro7
@Gojiro7 4 года назад
*saw French was the first word in the title* OH BOY!!!! another space saving gun that flips out and ends up being silly and badass at the same time XD
@soldatdemarine4801
@soldatdemarine4801 4 года назад
Hello Ian. Very good video. The paras version of the Mas 36 and the PM MAT49 with retractable stock and its magazine folding system were effectively designed in relation to the use of the paras units. And then in terms of shooting distance for the MAS 36 paras, the weapon was shorter at the level of the barrel but but a problem in view of the context of jungle in Indochina and in the djebels in Algeria, mountainous area with low vegetation but dense, the engagement distances for combat fire was therefore also shorter. It seems to me that the classic MAS 36, so the non-folding butt in the paras was mainly used for shooting grenade launches, the FM24 / 29 in fire support, Before the AA52 is put into service. Cordially. 🇫🇷⚓🇺🇲
@charlesstoeng9166
@charlesstoeng9166 4 года назад
Good points. From what I have heard from the "anciens" the CR39 was quite popular. I always liked the look and often asked about this rifle. I never heard any complaints.
@LeewardStudios
@LeewardStudios 4 года назад
Here’s an idea, do a video on the arms used by the French in the classic film Day of the Jackal
@miketeeveedub5779
@miketeeveedub5779 4 года назад
Most people would look at that stock and say "nice patina!" Mark Novak would look at that stock and say "Do the maintenance!"
@marko11kram
@marko11kram 4 года назад
I just got your 'French 75' shirt; Awesome, and my wife wants one before our next trip to France battlefields!--(but I want to go to Mt St Micheal's this time!
@PrototypeSpaceMonkey
@PrototypeSpaceMonkey 4 года назад
Oh dear, two MAS 36's together in one video... hope the Good Idea Fairy doesn't pay a visit.
@enriquekahn9405
@enriquekahn9405 4 года назад
I could have sworn Ian had done this rifle before? At any rate, I believe this is the most French firearm ever made.
@rautavaara9194
@rautavaara9194 4 года назад
I don't remember Ian covering this one, but there are a bunch of French designs which are just as weird as this, so maybe that's why it feels familiar?
@marks_sparks1
@marks_sparks1 4 года назад
He done the MAS-36 in a video a few years back. Just not this paratroop version of it.
@chumccurry1765
@chumccurry1765 4 года назад
He did Mas 36 and Mas 40.
@MrRobbi373
@MrRobbi373 4 года назад
"At any rate" is a phrase I basically only hear Gun Jesus use.
@MrDgwphotos
@MrDgwphotos 4 года назад
As soon as he said that the stock was aluminum, I knew it had to be rather unpleasant to deal with. I'm surprised they didn't find some other alternative as soon as the war was over, but kept on making these.
@carlhicksjr8401
@carlhicksjr8401 4 года назад
From my reading, most French troops *hated* the MAS 36 generally and the CR 39 variant particularly. Troops in Indochina and Algeria complained that it was inaccurate, flimsy, and was prone to jams, and most preferred US equipment [M1 Garands and M1A1 Carbines] if at all possible. And if there is any proof needed that France has a love-hate relationship with her soldiers, the design and fielding of French weaponry should put all doubts to rest. From the adoption of the Lebel all the way to the FAMAS, France has found a way bugger up most of the equipment she's sent her soldiers into combat with. The list is long and infamous: the Lebel Rifle [nothing like a tube-fed service rifle with a weak bayonet...], the Chauchat ['nuff said], the Ruby pistol, the Ste. Etienne MG... und so weiter [German used on purpose there]. How do I know all this? I have a friend that I served with in the way back who got out of the US Army and just couldn't adapt to civilian life again. So he sold everything, went on a bender, and joined the Foreign Legion. I swear to God it's true. This has led me to do a lot more reading on French military history than most people I'm aware of, especially the Twentieth Century.
@karadocdevannes4687
@karadocdevannes4687 4 года назад
Truth is french soldiers just looove to criticize their gear, wichever it is... it’s just a way of life rather than a real statement
@carlhicksjr8401
@carlhicksjr8401 4 года назад
@@karadocdevannes4687 EVERYBODY'S soldiers love to criticize their gear. 😁 It isn't just a French phenomenon. But my opinion is more objective than that. There are real, legitimate complaints about French infantry weaponry when compared to their contemporaries because of the France's 'politics of procurement'. And I'm an American... we have more than one ugly procurement scandal in our history and that's a fact.
@tomlio3700
@tomlio3700 4 года назад
not agree with you on the French armament much criticized but have never used French weapons especially in France where the weapons are very regulated. The lebel was indeed the least practical weapon of WW1 and the Chauchat not a great success. In 1914 we were not very good in individual armament. But all the weapons which followed were rather good. The defeat of 1940 stopped the manufacture of weapon which was very good like the MAS 40 and others which was still in experimentation. After the war we did not have any more the money to manufacture new weapons, and with the stocks of US weapon we had enough weapon for our army
@tomlio3700
@tomlio3700 4 года назад
My father had a MAS 39 CR during the Algerian War, he was very happy with it, reliable like all MAS 36, easy to maintain, practical for parachute jump and quite light. He preferred his Mas to Garand which is heavier and less practical to maintain especially in the mountains of Algeria. He liked usm1, but found that the ammunition was not powerful. The bolt action rifle was apparently not a problem in Algeria.
@amorphoussolid8512
@amorphoussolid8512 4 года назад
I love that they cut 5 inches off the barrel, removed the stock completely to replace it with what must be the most uncomfortable hand hold and cheeck weld, made it hollow and still didn't lose any weight!
@BufftatJunkie
@BufftatJunkie 4 года назад
Very cool rifle with way more history and use than I thought. Great video overall.
@dandantheman9960
@dandantheman9960 4 года назад
Shoot it shoot it!
@con6lex
@con6lex 4 года назад
The more I see the MAS 36, the more I want one. Handy size, good sights, onboard pokey .
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 4 года назад
Looks interesting and rare, but agree that... that aluminum stock would suck to shoot, hold or have the face gainist in many situations.
@stellardancing
@stellardancing 4 года назад
Thats the ugliest thing I've ever seen, but I bet the French that carried them had nice pants. 😂😂😂 jk. Love this channel!!
@chumccurry1765
@chumccurry1765 4 года назад
2 best para-infantry company.
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 4 года назад
...pants are important too!
@phatpat6667
@phatpat6667 4 года назад
It's like after you land you'd want to wrap the grip in tape or something.
@thetruthexperiment
@thetruthexperiment 4 года назад
I saw this on his wall for a video a while back and I had to scour the internet to find out what it was. When I found it’s name on Reddit, Ian mentioned that he had one. When I looked up the model, it brought me right back here. I have diverse interests in a lot of subjects but this might be my favorite channel based on how often I watch and how many I’ve seen and how long I can watch in a single sitting.
@Tragicide
@Tragicide 4 года назад
This was the first forgotten weapons video that I ever saw. And I must say, I haven’t regretted it since.
@TheRevoltingMan
@TheRevoltingMan 4 года назад
I bet French surplus military rifles are in great shape , hardly ever fired.
@Tacklebox3000
@Tacklebox3000 4 года назад
That stock reminds me of the keltec su16c
@gabrielcarkhuff2670
@gabrielcarkhuff2670 4 года назад
Just when I thought I saw all the odd military weapons. Honestly, this is genius, looks brutal to shoot though. And people complain about the jungle carbine being a brutal to shoot.
@brenm8
@brenm8 4 года назад
Hello Ian, I hope you and your loved ones are in good health. To continue, this reminds me of the movie "Where Eagles Dare". One of my favorite (war-) movies but what are your thoughts on this particular movie and "The Dirty Dozen"? Stay safe. Greetings from Belgium :)
@RalphReagan
@RalphReagan 4 года назад
On Lizardhead pass that aluminum stock would freeze your face off
@hodor292
@hodor292 4 года назад
When France runs out of trees
@hubd4510
@hubd4510 11 месяцев назад
This is a beautiful rifle (Ok, i'm french..). You say a mistake in the video...this rifle was made at the beginning for alpin troops, not for paratroopers (they didn't exist in 1939). For instance, "chasseurs alpins" fought ant won with it during the Battle of Narvik in 1940! And the Mas 36-Cr39 was made to be easier to carry while alpin troops skied. It was adopted by paratroopers during the Indochina war (1946-1954) for all items you explain very well! Thanks for all of your videos about all french rifles! Unfortunately, french soldiers have today....a german one...disappointed....
@GuntherRommel
@GuntherRommel 4 года назад
Books.. super rare firearms... Cool ass trips. Do you enjoy the jump in quality and reach over the last few years? CONTRIBUTE TO PATREON. Most of the donations are $1/month. Can you afford a dollar a month for 6-30 minutes of entertainment *EVERY SINGLE DAY*?
@Paul-ie1xp
@Paul-ie1xp 4 года назад
Martin Windrow in his book 'The Last Valley' about the battle of Dien Bien Phu, says the rifle stocks were prone to breakage,to the extent that in 1950 French Paratroopers were jumping operationally in Indochina with 3 shot 8mm Berthiers.
@liammeech3702
@liammeech3702 4 месяца назад
How did they get ahold of those old things?
@earlmcmanus194
@earlmcmanus194 4 года назад
Finally found the perfect truck gun.
@romain.lacroix
@romain.lacroix 2 года назад
Omg i never noted Ian didn't actually have accurate infos about the "french movie project". It was actually made by director Schoendoerffer with help from the Vietnam gov cause shot for parts in Vietnam as a reconciliation and historic memory tribute, the - excellent for me - Dien Bien Phu, about the fall of frenchies for their last battle there. These CR39 are recreation, made from demilitarized spare parts stocks, receivers and everything and surely genuine aluminum folding stock. But not barrels. As financial project, they were all made in 7mm-08 for resaling after the shoting to later finance the production. None of them were in 7,5x54 MAS aka French and their receivers were marked 7mm-08. 7,5mm MAS and 308W were forbidden in the time for civilians as military calibers. I think also there never was a CR39 90s recreation with a genuine collapsible sling system. I never saw one photo of them with it. Still, incredible work from Ian
@nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526
@nihtgengalastnamegoeshere7526 9 месяцев назад
A very unique design for a rifle, but I have to wonder- why did these keep being manufactured and issued in post-WW2 conflicts like Algeria and Indochina? I would have assumed that rather than equipping your paratroopers with obsolete bolt action rifles, it'd make more sense to just issue them all MAT-49s...
@esr243
@esr243 4 года назад
They had some airborne capacity but linked to their Air Force; two units of 400 men, disbanded in 1940. The MAS 36 CR was actually designed for their mountain troops. French airborne after WWII preferred the US M1 carbine with folding stock anyways. I think you aught to do a bit more research ....
@robertomartinez7268
@robertomartinez7268 3 года назад
This is a very good design, me thinks. I have not touch a gun in my life, but I like and follow your videos. I wonder why modern manufacturers have not copied this design for what they called survival rifles or SHTF/bugout rifles...... me gun illiterate thinks.... I like it better than Keltech folding rifle systems...
@joeisabella6811
@joeisabella6811 4 года назад
Congrats on getting your book out! Looking forward to reading it. Great video also.
@novauviolon
@novauviolon 4 года назад
So prewar MAS 36 CR39 followers would prevent the bolt from closing when empty, postwar switching to allowing it to close when empty, but regular MAS 36 rifles went through the reverse process (prewar = can close when empty; postwar = follower blocks when empty)? Is there a reason this difference was made between the two rifles?
@gabrielcarkhuff2670
@gabrielcarkhuff2670 4 года назад
If you give me this gun as a survival rifle I'd spit in your face. I love the rifle but being in the 1990's I would absolutely expect something better. I don't understand why they can't design aircraft to have the capacity to hold normal guns, say for instance an M16 compared to an M4. The M4 is still large but isn't the point of war to give your boys a fighting chance? And don't get me started on the "let's drop the weapon box" separate from a soldier". It doesn't take a tactician to know that's Won wrong.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 4 года назад
U.S. paratroopers of WWII jumped with M1 Garands, so it can be done with a regular rifle. It is less than ideal in some ways, but the very concept of airborne troops involves a lot of compromises. Even the U.S. airborne units had a lot more carbines and submachine guns than a "leg" infantry unit despite their preponderance of battle rifles. Speaking as a former paratrooper, generally smaller is better but then you have to balance the greater effectiveness of a purpose-built battle rifle versus a modified rifle. The French obviously went with "the same thing only shorter" while the U.S. went with the usual infantry rifle and the Germans went in a different direction entirely. Each decision has its merits and shortcomings. I'll bet this thing was a beast to shoot. Hands down, the most uncomfortable rifle I've shot is a paratrooper G-3, owing largely to the horrifically-bad buttstock design. This design looks only marginally better.
@paulhenry8174
@paulhenry8174 4 года назад
I really enjoy advertising in books. Is there anyway to get all your preferred advertisers to help with a low cost 2nd addition? Giving us not only the history of French rifles but also a window into the best of 2020 competitive equipment. There’s something special about 1color block print advertising.
@thetruthexperiment
@thetruthexperiment 4 года назад
Why would someone fake a CR39? How would you make a fake aluminum stock for it? How bad is the world of gun counterfeiting anyway?
@blacksmith67
@blacksmith67 4 года назад
I have watched and enjoyed your videos for quite some time but only recently been binging on your French weapons content. Your pronunciation of French is really quite good with one exception which is the name of the arsenal at Saint-Étienne. Instead of sounding like _săn ĕh-tyĕn_ it should be more like _sān tĕh-tyĕn._ (Final consonants are pronounced when the next word begins with a vowel.)
@killergm6962
@killergm6962 4 года назад
The underfolding rifle is pretty cool...but how about the *underwater* rifle? Think you could get hold of a Russian APS and do a segment on them? : )
@stevenwg2360
@stevenwg2360 4 года назад
The French invented the SU16C!
@ajeje1996
@ajeje1996 4 года назад
Personally I would've left the grip alone (better yet, make it a pistol grip, though of course back then that really wasn't a thing yet), so that only the stock is foldable. Sure, it'll be a few inches longer, but shooting that thing in its current configuration looks like a punishment.
@hukaman88
@hukaman88 4 года назад
69th like...nice
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 4 года назад
Did the French ever issue CR39 as a wood stocked version? Or was there a MAS 36 Carbine similar in barrel length to the 39? Years ago I shot one at a event and was told it was 'mountain division' gun
@WardenWolf
@WardenWolf 4 года назад
Damn. While I rather like the look of the MAS-36 by itself, this thing is UGLY. "How you can tell a real one from a fake one" - The garage-built fakes probably look nicer.
@Fantareina
@Fantareina 4 года назад
"Definitely a gunsmithing project" I think Ivanski Dragonov, who fixed the zero on your Krinkov might be the man for this job!
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 4 года назад
Pounding rivets isn't that hard... At least if you have an air hammer.
@CAMSLAYER13
@CAMSLAYER13 4 года назад
@@ScottKenny1978 doing it properly takes a bit of finesse
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 4 года назад
@@CAMSLAYER13 yeah, I'd need to practice a bit to remember how. It's been over 20 years since I last pounded rivets.
@Fantareina
@Fantareina 4 года назад
@@ScottKenny1978 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8wZBjhpJFbQ.html the craftsman in question
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 4 года назад
@@Fantareina ah, that guy.
@bfgivmfith
@bfgivmfith 3 месяца назад
You are so cool dude! :) I love guns, especially old ones and how they were designed, and you take that love to the highest level! Thanks! I learn about the coolest weapons that I never knew existed because of you.
@harrisonbuck2749
@harrisonbuck2749 4 года назад
Ian do you think they started the Serial numbers at 1? Best examples of countries messing with serial numbers to confuse the enemy on number of weapons manufactured?
@matejmatej3554
@matejmatej3554 4 года назад
I'm so sick of all corona virus videos so thank you gun Jesus Ian and as always greetings from sLOVEnia east europe
@thetruthexperiment
@thetruthexperiment 4 года назад
Why does corrosion, or oxidation pattern such a perfect fractal on the aluminum? Isn’t that weird?
@BearClawAK47
@BearClawAK47 3 года назад
I recently purchase one of these rifles. It seems to go against the conventional wisdom. The model number is not centered on the receiver and the serial number is out of the range date. The serial number is also not in a strait line and starts with a letter, just like the rifle in the video. The font of the letters and numbers match my other rifles, so they look factory. The receiver does have the square tang and proper length barrel with a factory crown. The stock has a "X" in the center on the left side. The front sight is fully enclosed. Any opinions?
@MakeMeThinkAgain
@MakeMeThinkAgain 4 года назад
How is it not lighter with a shorter barrel and an aluminum stock? I would think they must be a couple pounds lighter. No?
@TheCatBilbo
@TheCatBilbo 4 года назад
Can't help but think that a more elegant solution would be a 'wire' stock as used by the Sten/M1A1 et al.
@GaryMarriott
@GaryMarriott 4 года назад
Yet still with that dumb reversible bayonet mount that later needed to be modified to avoid tropes pranking each other by removing the bayonet from one rifle & fitting two together muzzle to muzzle permanently
@CapitanAP
@CapitanAP 8 месяцев назад
Good to know you still can fingertrap two rifles with a bayonet, a feature you can't just take away from the soldiers
@eizol568
@eizol568 4 года назад
The French should not design guns...or cars...or everything important...
@paulsalb1686
@paulsalb1686 4 года назад
Sorry to say this but your go tee looks off set in your video! Just saying
@a.h.504
@a.h.504 4 года назад
I think this is a candidate for worst stock of all time. Useful, but good lord that must've been horrible to shoot.
@chewbecca3830
@chewbecca3830 4 года назад
now i fully understand why Germany invaded France.....Twice
@TheLonelyCasual9368
@TheLonelyCasual9368 4 года назад
The single most French gun I have seen. The one thing that could make it even more French is if the trigger was a corkscrew
@jeromehall7275
@jeromehall7275 3 года назад
"And... They would lock open when empty" Me: wut? ...oh yeah... I guess so
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