Friendzone Revenge - MGTOW 

The friendzone is mislabeled. Friends don't emotionally manipulate each other.

It's extremely easy to get out of the friend zone. 1:You just leave the girl. 2:Cut off contact with her. 3:Then start focusing on yourself. There Your out of the friend zone. I don't know why people portray the friend zone as something inescapable. All you have to do is leave the girl. 😂👍

The moment I detect I am being friendzoned, I simply walk away and never give it a second thought. No more phone calls. No more e-mails. No more Facebook exchanges. I won't bother myself trying to cook up any sort or revenge scheme, because it's not worth the effort. The moment she rejects me, she ceases to be of any value or significance whatsoever.

Women respect you only if you do not respect them.

I had a girl that i had a huge crush on. I came out to her and she basically just friend zoned me. Ok no big deal i accepted that position and moved on. We still talked and hung out. She even got herself a boy friend that was on and off for while and of course as the friend i was her emotional support, or tampon i guess you would call it. Eventually I hit it off fairly well with a different girl and was enjoying that relationship. and once it got serious and i spent less time with my "friend" she (the friend) dropped a bomb shell on me and wanted to become more than friends. My god, the venom that spewed from her mouth when i told her that i wasn't interested in her in a sexual anymore and that i thought of her as only friend. It was both disturbing and more than a little gratifying .

Anyone who feels victimized by the Friend Zone and is over the age of 16 needs to grow up and learn how to communicate. It's simple "Hey do you see this friendship ever evolving into something more?" "No I just want to be friends" "Ok cool I want something more so I'm gonna move on" That was hard.

I met this girl in a thrift store and started flirting with her. I grabbed a musical instrument and pretended to play. I gave one to her to play. She was laughing and we started talking. I took her for a walk and showed her the rooftop of the loft where I live. I went in for the kiss and she said she had a boyfriend. I told her: "I don't want to hear about your problems." She laughed and said that she did have a boyfriend. We talked a bit more then I walked her to the door and she left. A month later, I'm throwing a party and she hears about it and messages me, asking if she can come with her boyfriend. I tell her she can, that it's BYOB and that there is one condition. She asks: "What is that?" I tell her to invite cute pale girls, petite, as those are a type of girl that I'm attracted to. Preferably Eastern European. Okay, she agrees. The night of the party, I see her and her boyfriend. I say hello and tell them where they can dance, get a drink, where the bathrooms are, etc. She says: "I invited some pale girls for you. I'll introduce you to them." I follow her to a group of girls, that she introduces me to one by one. Each one of them are fat. They are pale but they are fat. I live in Brooklyn, New York. Almost everyone I see here in Brooklyn and in Manhattan is in good shape or skinny. It is so rare to see fat people that when you see fat people it is an indication that they are a tourist or an out-of-towner, since out-of-towners drive and do not get the walking-exercise that New Yorkers get. I'm standing there, greeting these four fat, pale girls, with a polite grin, immediately forgetting their names after they say them. After meeting them, I tell them that I have to go do something and nice meeting them and I leave. After the party, I deleted that girl from Facebook and blocked her cell phone. Why this girl would be such an asshole to do that, I do not know. I guess it is true that girls will only introduce you to their unattractive friend, so they can keep you in their stable of men to use for utility and resource purposes. F- that.

Don't want to be friend zoned? Don't have women as friends. Bar Bar covered this and I happen to agree with him on the topic. Honestly besides sex what does a woman bring to the table? As for sex? Really it is a lot of work for a brief moment of bliss; I would also suggest that the point of the movement is "WE DO DON"T NEED WOMEN"

ahh the sweet memories.this is my 1st mgtow video,stoped me from being a tool and an emotional tampon..so thank you sandman.

If a woman is calling you just to talk about her issues she's having with another...RUN! You are being used as her emotional Tampon.

No man is put in the friendzone. If a woman shows no interest in dating and romance, then it is preponderant upon the man to move on. A man friendzone's himself by choosing to believe that a woman who shows no interest in romance will come around to wanting him if only he waits long enough. Life's too short.

After the last time I got friend zoned, I am NEVER asking any girl out again! Think about it, when you ask them out you are only giving them the power to make you unhappy and use you for your willingness to gain affection from them.

A cousin of mine who'd been married for about ten years got divorced because her husband wasn't supportive of, or wealthy enough to support, her desire to become some sort of New Age mystic/healer/aromatherapist/etc, and spend the small fortunes required to send her to "seminars" around the world. They had two kids, so her hooks were safely embedded in him for child support and alimony after the divorce and she pursued this "education" until the alimony obligation ended and she could no longer afford it. The funny part came up recently when I saw her at her job in a local Starbuck's (lol) and we talked for awhile. She'd dropped a lot weight and started working out so she could hit the dating scene again, and I must admit she looked pretty good. She expressed dismay that it was so hard to get a guy now. The guys she met at clubs and wherever were just interested in having sex and nothing else. They didn't want to date or have a relationship, they just wanted to fuck and weren't shy about saying so. Other guys she met didn't seem the slightest bit interested in her and some were openly suspicious of her attention. I told her that the times have changed and she needed to look up the MGTOW movement for a better understanding. She did, because the next time I saw her, she was completely appalled by what she'd learned about it, and downright angry. Not even a guy she'd strung along in her friendzone all those years was interested in her romantically anymore as he went on to become successful in IT and "so selfishly" wanted to keep everything he made for himself. The girl's a mess, oh well.

It's a common disgusting female behaviour. It takes much more to become a friend of a man and real men don't use friends as tools. I smell this kind of bevaviour from kilometers. Being a friend is one thing, putting a guy in the friendzone is disgusting.

The PUA is a waste of time...haven't you noticed how these PUAs have nothing going on, except women's approval?

I really wish 18 year old me would have found you 20 years ago.

"We all know how women try to get us into the friendzone and then try to use us to them favours and be their emotional tampons." I'm going to sound heretical in saying this but, I give those women credit because they're smart enough to use these idiot guys to do their bidding. In that particular example, I want to slap the guy across the head and ask him, "Where the fuck is your dignity? Where is your pride?" Don't just be angry with her. Be angry with him as well. The trouble with the friendzone is that these men have no self-respect. They need to get out more and just keep practicing their dating game. At least, that's what worked for me.

After hearing how women talk about men they consider to be in the friend zone, it sort of makes the entire being friends with women thing seem a lot less appealing.

Every time I get friendzoned I just break up contact. When I wasn't looking for friendship in the first place there is no reason to stay in contact. Either they want me or they lose me... It isn't the woman's fault, but I just don't need this. You have to be egoistic, because when you won't get what you want there is no reason not to end it..

I'm no one's plan B, either you choose me or you lose me.....

The _biggest_ loss to a man who connects with women in any 'zone' is the huge loss of time. Not just the dating and being together time, but the loss of your own thinking time when you are not together due to interruptions and psychological/emotional disruption. It is very difficult to look back on your life from the age of 50 or 60, and see that you never followed up on the aspirations of your youth, instead frittering away each day dealing with someone elses concerns. The waste of creativity, perseverance, genius, skills, insights, etc etc happens through 100,000 tiny delays and misapplications of time over decades; and for certain, women will be the biggest source of distractions and biggest cause of this wasted life, for men. Women hate to see men thinking long and deep - yet that is men's way of achieving and developing, and we should get on with it. Younger men, your time is your own, and more valuable than _anything_. Don't give it away lightly!

what is worse than being put in the friendzone is actually trying to be a real friend with a woman and still being used as utility (emotional tampon, money, taking care of their stupid cats (personal experience), etc…) you know, i think women can't help it, they can't help seeing men as resources instead of humans.

i really do love looking at the interaction between men and women in economic and strategic terms. a friend of mine says it's an incredibly sardonic way to look at it all, and that's actually become one of my new favorite words. it's actually kind of scary how often people use NAWALT arguments or say stuff like "you just haven't found the right girl" whenever i bring up some MGTOW logic. i think there's a bit of denial there and that they just parrot what they've been taught about relationships.

If you let this woman you know that you interested in her, if she's playing games with you, shut it down, move on and find a woman that shows some interest in you.

I truly enjoy being in the friendzone! Because, I can enjoy watching how men and women interact with each other. Its like watching a play and sometimes you can tell how it's going to play out. I just don't want to be in the simpzone!

90% of the time I found myself in the friend zone, it was my own God damn fault.

My only criticism of this advice is that it implies that being 'Friendzoned' is something a woman does to a man. I would argue that it takes two willing participants to be friendzoned. If you're only interested in having a sexual relationship with a woman, but she doesn't want to be with you, then you should just move on to the next girl. **You can't be strung along if you don't play along.** If you don't want to be "just friends", then don't be her friend. It's that simple. You don't have to be rude about it, but telling a woman that you're not interest in her platonically can save you a lot of wasted effort. And if every man adopted my hard-nosed approach, then women would think twice before friendzoning a guy they're not sure about.

If anyone is ever wondering how to deal with the friendzone just do what I have learned to do. I once went out with a women that most would find unattractive because she was fat and had that classic highschool attitude. I dated her for a few months and she found a guy and used that "can we still be friends?" I replied "yes we can still be friends." What she didn't know was I decided at that point to never contact her and if she wanted to talk to me she can contact me. When I agreed to be friends I didn't specify the terms of friendship and neither did she so when I started my regular routine it took a few months but she started trying to get back together with me to which I replied "been there done that and don't think I want to go down that road again because you obviously thought it wasn't worth pursuing before and I won't allow it to happen a second time." She started crying and talking about how she is unattractive and nobody loves her. At this point I just looked at her and calmly replied "you feel this way because you have made stupid choices and that's not my problem." After the nuclear meltdown that followed and a few vagina pics later she never contacted me again and even went as far as to move and get a job one town over. Now thanks to her its well known that the friendzone is not something I do and women dont ask it of me where I am at.:-) The trick is just be cold as ice and don't give in because they will try to get you back under their thumb. If you make it a bad experience for them by being the very basic definition of friends and not do anything with them say hi when you see them and then promptly go about your business and if they ask about a dress for a date and send a pic don't respond they will regret it and you will win.

it took me a long time why I always got so upset when a woman says "let's be friends". It's fair enough if a woman says "no I don't want you" if she asks me out, but whens he says "let's be friends" she basically says she wishes your feelings don't even exist to begin with. It's very insulting and demeaning.

I just did that to my ex gf. We broke like two years ago. A few months ago she contacted me to out of the blue to tell me that she'll give my money I invested in her back. I chuckled a little and I knew that she wanted to use me as an emotional tampon since she broke with a bluepillar and put that money thing first to get my attention. I played along to see what she's up to. I've been nice to her and encourage her to get a job, and do thing for herself and letting her know that I'm open to let her to come back to me. A few days ago she planned everything how to get back to me, which train to use to travel etc etc. And in the last moment I use some MGTOW wisdom (thank you Sandman for it) on her and she was devastated. I felt sooo goood, really. It was like I was regaining all of the self-esteem and dignity that she stole from me. I could feel her sobbing from over 200 miles. What a great feeling. I've exposed all of her BS with the emotional detachment of a sociopath In the end she said that I'll die in an year if I don't change my way of thinking. What a waste of time and resources on her.

I have no issue being friends with a woman if it is clear that that is all that is to the relationship. I think a lot of what men are experiencing isn't even a "friend" zone, but a "remain-in-contact" zone. Women seem to do a thing where they want to keep as many options open as possible in case they want to choose later. What bothers me is when I got led on, friend-zoned, and ignored to a point where she puts as little effort as possible into the friendship, BUT she still wants me to stay in her life.

I recently did this to a girl that strung me along for 3 years. She locked herself out of her house and came and found me (tripping on mushrooms). I got her interested by making her jealous through dating a blonde she knew, and then when she got interested, I told her AND the blonde (who said no at first too) that they had missed there chance. They literally sat at the table for over a minute not talking, then the blonde left crying and the other girl stayed around thinking it was her turn. I proceeded to play THE MAPLE LEAF RAG with a fat grin on my face: letting her know i was talking to both of them. She left and kept trying later, and still might be.

What's described in this video are just juvenile games. If you're interested in a romantic relationship with a woman and she "just wants to be friends", then my advice is to move on. Don't waste your time with her and don't get sucked into any dramas.

Here is how to not end up in the friend zone. 1. Make your intentions to date her clear early on. 2. If she says she isn't interested "But we can be friends!" bid her a good day, and move on.

Chicks who friendzone don't like when you spend your time on chicks who put out. The true irony, is the friendzoning chicks are typically not that good looking either

There’s a great video about this, I think it’s called: ‘can a man and women be friends?’ And they walk around interview college kids on a campus. Guys always say no, girls always say yes. Then they ask them if they would sleep with their ‘friend..’

I've never been in the friendzone, if she's not interested then I'm not interested anymore.

"Captain Save-a-ho"

67 people are angry women

The best advice is to have enough self respect to walk away from someone who is using & manipulating you.

I had a rather interesting friendzoning story...back in middle school I usually hung out with the future starving artist crowd and ended up dating this one emo chick from the group (not saying names) it went rather well for a few months until one day she texted me that we should just be friends...i got kinda sad but...also felt our relationship wasn't going anywhere...then about a week or so later she texted me again saying she didn't mean it...by this time I had already gotten over her and moved on...and then for high school we went to different schools...and i'm pretty sure she's spreading rumors about me now

Absolutely right about women refusing to introduce you to their friends. I cannot count how many female friends of mine insisted that "I don't know any girls" if I asked them to try to find me a girl. They want your attention focused solely on them and no one else.

MJ cover this topic, since he deleted his account! Here is my take on this friendzone on what I figure out by watching other people's videos. I call the friendzone the fail safe zone from womens translation, which means is that, if a woman puts you in that box, while she's getting bang by all these losers, or she just stringing you along for the ride while her situation goes downhill, playing games with you, lied to you, and have a baby by one of her loser boyfriends whom she knows, or from someone she don't know, while she let herself go threw out her years in her prime, she'll be crawling back to the good guy for his money and his fame, I suggest cut all ties from these types of women, it's the only way, never, ever, be a loser's choice, from any women that does this.

I had a woman do that to me years ago. I lost my license so she'd occasionally pick me up to go out to her house out in the hamptons. Then she stopped and basically said coming to may house to pick me up was to much trouble (it was 15 minutes out of her way) and if I wanted to be with her I'd find a way out there. I laughed her off and said adios...her ass was ok but not worth a90 min train and cab ride. I was depressed at the time and out of work so it hard on my self esteem.Fast forward 2 years I got a great new job, car apt and got muscular as hell. Then I ran into her at a club....she basically followed me around half the night like a dog in heat. When I finally told her u didn't want me then why now? She broke down in tears basically trying to make me feel sorry for her. She knew usually I was a sap and it may have worked in the past. But not that night... That night I got my little taste of victory...

+Sandman you're a saint and a hero. I find your videos very insightful and helpful in what has become a climate of ridiculousness for men, and the treatment of men. You're helping a lot of men. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

Yeah one thing I've seen that's a little disturbing is the attempt to redefine friend zone as something bitter, manipulative men use just to get sex, when all we really want is for the woman to survey the crowd and choose YOU, just for ONCE, over the PUAs, dicks, jerks, jocks, etc. of the world. I mean just one tiny nugget, just once, from one single girl would do wonders. It's precisely that shit that's caused me to simply check out out the game.

If you always live on your own terms, the friend zone becomes less of an issue. I don't know if I really agree with the whole "revenge" thing because it gives away that you give a shit about her, which you shouldn't. Although, emotions can be difficult to turn off.

As Chris Rock said, "you're just a d**k in a glass case." Furthermore, there's no need to spend any time in the friend zone, or to deal with a thot or a toxic woman for that matter, when so many high-end adult stores sell such lifelike replacements, often for very reasonable prices.

This reminds me of a chick I used to live with. She wanted to break up and srill live together but I said no because there would be hard feelings if one of us brought someone home. She has told me to "move on" while putting me in the friend zone yet every time I actually do that, she finds a way to interfere. I also am accused of doing the things that she did to ruin the relationship. I was called a one trick pony in bed though every time I tried something different she would shoot it down in flames, hiding the fact that SHE was the one trick pony. She recommended computer dating and then interfered with my even getting a decent pic. I'm about to flip the entire dynamic on her and have some fun. watching her squirm. Friend zone, my ass.

I've done that so many times. The look on their faces when they cry is priceless (I know, I'm cruel). And some never speak to me again, also funny.

Make your intentions clear from the start! Keep your compliments raunchy and direct. Most important of all don't be needy and treat her like a bro. She is not your buddy or co worker, you have beers with on Friday nights. That's the general way to avoid the friendzone as a PUA. Sandman is right, it's way too much of work and not worth the effort. I was a PUA for about 2 years and I found it to be time consuming; doing approaches on a different woman, at a daily basis. I given up on that life. Out of 40 approaches, I was only getting laid once. The rest are all rejections,flakes or LMR's. This is what purple pillers should expect realistically, if you decide to go the PUA way.

I used to play the "friend zone game back in high school, until I started telling me girl "friends" I am NOT interested in being their friends anymore!! Funny how fast people will leave you when you tell them you have NO INTEREST in them at all!! BUT I learned at an early age how to be alone!! And it wasn't as bad as being married or in a relationship that was a total and complete waste of time that was loveless and sexless anyhow!! In the end I can say is that I don't do the "Friend Zone" game since I was 17 years old....and if a girl likes me as a "friend only" there ARE LIMITS to what I will put up with and tolerate!! And trust me I have been bitter, cold and even heartless to when I have told "friends" that they have to go!! I don't have time for dishonesty, untrustworthy people in my life that are totally useless and unreliable!! And I have turned my back on a lot of my male friends as well as a lot of my female "friend zone" friends as well!! In the end it makes things a lot easier when I KNOW who my friends are, and when I am confronted by a woman who is content in just using me, it doesn't last too long before I am willing to throw them under the bus either!!! My patience for that crap isn't what it used to be......like a lot of other bullshit things I have seen and heard in my life also!!

Feminist women in the past would say, "Get away from Me, You Freak!!!" Modern day feminist women say, "Get back here, You Freak". Not going back to the plantation. Remember what feminist women said, "Two cats are better than a nice guy" Well, here kitty, kitty. Nice guys who have opened their eyes are feminist women's greatest threat.

Being in the friendzone is like being a spare tire in the trunk; you lay around in the dark, not doing anything and the only time they have need of you is as a last resort. Don't be a spare tire...not ever.

I have observed that the woman puppet master never introduces her beta puppet to her attractive friends, because the puppet master gets jealous at losing control over her boot licking beta. Your thoughts, Sandman?

sending someone to the friendzone who sent you to there before would feel very nice 'cause that one will feel what you felt in that moment just beautiful.

women go for status , so if you are in the friend zone her friends will know ! so they will not be interested . that is how I thought it worked

I put a girl in the friendzone and she was hot, she kinda attracted other girls to me, but at the end I felt bad, that is the issue in not having the mind of a woman that love that feeling of making someone less.

I have been friend zone since like 19. When I was dating (I since stopped) I wouldn't entertain the idea of being friends with women I wanted to date. Cutting women off isn't an issue for me. I don't get emotionally attached after taking to a girl for a few weeks and she decides not to go out with me. They can keep their games. My parents used to tell me that I'm not a bank and don't spend on women on who aren't committed to me. I stick by that. I made my mistakes at 18-19 but I've learned like I assume every man does. Now at 25 i don't sweat friend zone or anything like that

Women corrupts everything even a beautiful idea like "friends." Men can be friends, not women. Just put all women in the "friend zone" or whatever the hell that means ("Friend" is just a modern caste system for women). Don't do anything (perfect APATHY), don't do any favors, just be as indifferent to women's wants and needs. So, women putting us in "friend zone" should not affect us at all. Just minimize your contact with women in general. College-graduated women could be your bitch bossy BOSSY (you have the power! not Femi-Nazis!) bosses, so just treat them with strictly class-based superficial respect and distance! Don't play the game women are playing! Be MGTOW, Men Going Their OWN (why are we acting like this "friend zone" is an issue at all?) Way!

Women don't try to get anyone into the friend zone. Guys who are in the friend zone are guys who never communicated to her that he's romantically interested in her, or guys who have, and when she rejected him with the "But we can be friends!" and he's like "Ok!". If you feel like an "emotional tampon" it's because you haven't communicated or enforced any boundaries. She's not a mind reader. Anyway, if you don't want to be friends with a girl, don't be friends with her. 90% of the time, they only suggest being friends instead because in the eyes of a girl, that's an easier let down than being completely rejected.

*Brilliant* *Sandman.* You laid it out PERFECTLY on this subject. Men take note *Do* *Not* *Be* *The* *CHUMP* *A* *woman* *SETTLES* *for* *in* *the* *end.* @__________@

Interestingly enough, because there is not enough men to go around after age 35, they can't friendzone you in that age group. Simply because there is more women than men at that point.

The reason the guy was set up with the ugly friend, is because that’s how his crush perceived him. The crush perceived him as a “nice guy”, but not sexual relationship material. She set him up with what she perceived as his match...low status and of equal attractiveness in her mind. That’s how I take it.

"Bullpen of pitchers and you are the reliever". Classic

So 85 women watched this video?

You cant be Friendzone without your consent, you can always say NO. infact it usually takes the man to initiate, to get friendzoned in the first place.

Of course we all know the difference between being "friend zoned" and Just being friends right? There are times when, she just didn't know you that well, she was going with someone at the time, wasn't ready for a relationship etc. It’s a different story if she does know you and flatly turns you down as romantic material. Even then, it’s not malicious, not everyone has to accept me as boyfriend material. That being said, if she came around later, after turning me down, I might just be like “Sorry, I've moved on and would rather not be someone’s second choice.” I’m just saying because I don’t think we need to become like the feminist who demonize the other genders every action.

Ever heard the one Foodzone. Literally a girl dating a guy just because he pays for dinner.One guy found out when her friend asked him why his number was listed as free food when she answered when he called......

A woman friendzones me, I curbzone them,,,, Easy..... N E X T!!!!!!

This was actually fucking brilliant

I'll tell you guys what: thank God we got to Justin in his twenties before he got screwed over! My God! Crisis averted! There are a handful of women right now that I could be with but it's not worth it. They don't appreciate the hard work we put into bettering ourselves daily. There are a few gems out there though that are on the level and I'm takin' my time to get to know them better. I typically take 3-6 months getting to know a lady prior to dating - it protects against the b.s.

So basically, "revenge is a dish, best served, cold" Thanks for the heads up. lol

Most women that put you in the friend zone won't have many attractive friends. Their whole Rolodex is filled with other friend zone men and men they are actually sexing.

From 17-20, I had a big crush on girl I was in the friend zone with. We actually were friends, hung out 1-1, went on sorta dates and smoked weed together lol. She was a stunning 9 and younger than me. I tried to play nice guy and wait my turn. Eventually she allowed me some finger play out of pitty and intoxication. This was at a time where she was at her peak and being very promiscuous. She eventually set me up with her less attractive friend (7) passively letting me know she was done entertaining the thought of me, and to get me off her tail most likely. I fell for it and had a 22 month relationship with her friend, before said friend coldly dumped me abruptly and monkey branched. I felt played and lived with the embarrassment for quite some time. That was the relationship that made me discover the RP. Now, I manage my expectations way differently. Ty sandman !

i had one gold digger that dumped me and when she said she`d like to be friends i replied 'what have you got to offer me as a friends ?' and she had the cheek to reply to that 'it doesnt work like that !' naturally! because she knew i was to be her puppy and i was not to contact her if it suited me,glad that one went

There seems to be a lot of men on this channel that hate women, I only came across the MGTOW movement this evening, however just because I didn't understand the term that doesn't mean I don't understand the sentiment. I haven't been in a relationship for many years and that is largely because I haven't been making an effort to achieve one. This was after being kept in the "friend zone" for nearly two years by a very manipulative young lady. I have also seen the destructive effects that relationships have had on some of my male friends and decided that I wanted no part of it. However I still retain plutonic friendships with women some of woem I value highly. I don't think that hateing women is the point here I think that the idea is not to be trapped into the self destructive cycle that monogamy seems destined to create

It's not that easy to use the Friendzone for other purposes, most times the guy is in love with the girl, and her friends just aren't her. What worked best for me, was the second advice, stop being nice, and show your intentions early on, that way, there won't be enough time for her to lead you on and you won't fall in love and latter be friendzoned. You either get her to bed, or you don't and move on.

One thing I've learned over these many years. Never, ever, ever trust a woman's opinion on another woman's looks. Especially if the other woman is her friend. In fact I'd probably feel more comfortable being set up with someone who is described as ugly than attractive by a woman.

Oddly, every time I've seen or known of a guy claim that he was "In the friend zone," it's because he was lead on. It was either that she made him think they were together in some way, then dropped it on him that they were just friends, or she kept baiting him with the "I just got out of a relationship" excuse or some other one, to convince him that she just needs time and that there's a possibility for them to be together... just to keep getting shit from him. What's of interest, however, is that these women see themselves as doing nothing wrong, at all. I've even talked to them, like "Why the hell are you leading that poor guy on, you know for damn sure you're never going to see him as anything more than what you're doing now." Only for every one of them to reply something akin to "Well nobody TOLD him to do these things for me, he can leave whenever he wants. Though if he's going to do it anyway, why not me?" I of course then respond to them that it still doesn't HAVE to be them. That they can just be honest and upfront with the guy from the beginning, so he can move the fuck on and find someone else who actually cares about him. Wouldn't you know it, upon my saying that, ALL of them looked at me in utter confusion, as though I had three heads and spoke in Indonesian. Shocker.

We need a Sailor Spoon compilation video, so we can learn the whole plot of this soap :).

Putting women in the friend zone is also very fun. Making them stay there. They get PISSED.

one solution Sandman. don't let these get out of the kitchen.

1:48 is a pretty good insight. I went to a birthday party for a female friend (who I had a huge crush on at one point, but we are also have similar interests, so it makes sense that we are actually friends) and we went clubbing. Ended up dancing with one of her friends, who had also mentioned to me that she had a boyfriend, but was flirting with me anyway. Ended up the girl flirting with me was pulled away by my other friend. I was pretty much cock blocked when my friend decided we were enjoying each other too much.

Dare you to take on that well paying "Womens Issues" job and start inserting phallus images into the vids, subliminally. I've always wondered if a watermark image could be used effectively for subliminal messaging. Juvenile I know. But I am sure there would be a few men here who would get a good belly laugh from it.

that last one sounds kind of harsh... but then again ive seen women get up to all kinds of dirty tricks with men that to me would be unimaginable so who am i to judge.

If you purposely get in the friend zone with a bunch of pretty women, you can one of their friends pretty easy.

I got out of the friend zone after just over 10 years. I kept finding things that went against the deal and drew me out of it like 1) Ask if you can use something of hers, like make a few phone calls - if they want to get the money for that, and it isn't much, you know they see it as a one-way street where any benefit has to go to them only 2) Bring up your sexual encounters with her - it gives it contrast. On the one hand, you have someone who wants affection and intimacy and on the other hand, just a user, teaser and manipulator. Without that contrast, things are blurrier. You should find in her a deep disinterest in discussing any woman you're currently with, or disdain, because they're not interested in you as a person, just as a tool or free worker 3) Make a full-on pass at her, preferably through a physical grope. It's not illegal, and you'll find the disgust really comes out then, making it 100% sure they don't want you 4) Calculate the time, energy and financial cost of being their "friend" and compare that against going on a date with someone - the cost isn't that much different if you don't date much, and yet, in one case, you have no chance of a relationship of any kind you really want, while in the other, you do, whether you get there or not. Which is the better option? 5) In an age of online dating - why waste time on a user? It's not like it's 1994 where the only girls you could date were those you somehow met somewhere through someone else or some shared activity. I'd rather date 50 girls and get with none of them than spend more than twice a year with a user who just wants to take from me and give nothing back other than teasing 6) Finally, make a point at the start of a year to focus on activities totally other than her, but with one exception. Visit or meet with her ONCE ONLY that year - just say you're really busy with a project or something. Do it no later than early September, or earlier than May, so it's slap bang in the middle of the year. If you find at the end of the year that that one encounter was enough for you, or maybe even that was too much, you can be sure you're wasting your time on her and don't really want to be with her, and probably don't even like her. I did this and haven't seen her since that one time in 2003, after 10 years of friend zone. Number 3 though is what will really unveil the masquerade, and you need to do it to move it beyond the surface and see what's underneath. 7) Never ever forget the phrase "the organic mendacity of women" (Otto Weininger). In other words, they are born to lie and deceive, by their very natures.

Excellent video. I will take this advice big time. Thank you Sandman. Too often now been put in the friend zone, and have been humiliated time, and time again. No more!

thank you for making me recognize im a closer

Being rejected verbally, and being rejected after being used physically...not on the same scale if you ask me.

She friendship zoned me and had systemical way that all her friends friendship zoned me too. One of girlfriends (because she's bi) even explained 'you can't date him that's her friend.'

Pretending to be Capt. Save-a-Ho is too slimy for me.

If you are in a friendzone, you have a completely wrong kind of mindset and needs to rethink your life. It's the highest level of blue pill.

I never accept friend zone status. I gave the last one who tried it the following statement: "As long as I keep settling for less than what I want, I'll keep getting less than what I want." I told her at that point that I would be moving on. Friend zone tactics are an irresponsible cop out for a real relationship. I never accept being the "fall guy". Pick another patsy.

I did a lot of those things when I was single. A lot of one night stands and being a jerk then I met my wife. She's far from being a feminist she knows what she wants. She was married but he cheated on her. She doest really care about money and she wants to go back to work so bad but my youngest child is only 10 months old and I personally won't put him in daycare until he can talk. She always tells me my money is my money even though I give her opportunities to go buy what she wants She buys things for the kids instead. So I think I chose right. Niether of us are big on divorce and we both agree we are too lazy to go through it lol. We are best friends and lovers. The fact that I can have an almost strictly guy conversation with her says a lot. How about getting home from work and being told go shower and relax dinner is almost ready. Pretty sweet! So I'm more inclined to want to do for her but she is pretty good at doing for herself. If anything she will buy a book to read or dvds of her favourite shows and that's about it. Some of us are fortunate enough to have women like that with good common since. Country girls tend to be that way

Here in the U.S. if you ask a girl out, and she wants to only be friends, then don't bother any further contact. Most guys take them at their word and will invite them to freind-like activities, with no intention of trying anything romantic; just one-of-the guys situations. And the next thing you know is that she's telling people that you're stalking and harrassing her. If it's a work mate you could lose your job. On the other hand, if you meet a girl and start hanging out as freinds, that's cool . . .Just don't become her part of her harem of guys she manipulates into doing crap for her.

Since the person that wrote in to this video is in the same age group as me and if any other guys that are reading these comments are in the age group of 18-24 years of age here's my advice to avoid the friend zone, or at least this is what I started doing and has worked for me for the most part: As soon as you meet the girl, start flirting with her right away. I'm not saying be overt about it, be subtle but put it in there and see how she takes it. It lets her know that you're not looking for a friend but that you find her attractive and you're playful and fun and interesting and whatever. I don't do this with all girls, it just depends on how well I'm received. If the girl seems more shy then I may not flirt with her in the first conversation but I make a point to flirt very early with women I've recently met and I'm interested in. It doesn't give them time to put you in their mind as a "friend" because you've made it clear you're interested in more than that. Usually at this point, it will be clear whether the girl is interested in you or not, by her continuing to talk to you in flirty ways and always wanting to hang out or if she's not she won't talk to you much at all. As soon as the back and forth flirting is going well I'll ask her out. From the initial first meeting to the point of asking out can range anywhere from 1 day to 1-2 weeks depending on the girl and other situations. Basically my point is don't lolly gag and try to be quick, if you meet a girl, you find her attractive - start subtly flirting or indicating interest. You may find that you don't even ask her out after all because it turns out you're not that into her once you get talking to her more, (this happens rarely for me) but at least you went ahead and set the right things in motion if you do decide to ask her out. Anyway since I started doing this (when I was about 19-20 years old) I have not been friendzoned since. It may not work for everyone but I wanted to share this just in case someone was looking for something to try.

Other form of get out of the friend zone is to have and display more options, You can use one women to get rid of other (putting them together they short-circuited) For that matter you can use any other women that has friend zoned you.

What is the problem with being just friends? is sexual intimacy THE ONLY RELATIONSHIP A MAN CAN HAVE WITH A WOMAN?