I think it’s less that Aura “regained” her powers 28 years ago, and more that she came crawling out of the hole she was hiding in after Himmel died. His legacy was so great that even in his old age, the very fact that he was alive kept demons in check.
Sucks that despite everything himmel and the party did, they only gave humanity 50 years of peace. Now all the demons are crawling back out, and there’s constant wars going on.
no shit himel party as whole must be eldrich gods to the demonkind. that demon girl on the village was fully ready to be vegan if needed kkkkk well a shame that demons aren't equiped to experience anought emotions in common with humans to this work out
@@FlaccidPlatypus But it's also pretty heavily implied that things aren't as bad as they were under the Demon King. With their leader gone, the demons are fragmented and aimless and are just doing what they like. They're still a serious problem but aren't the existential threat to mankind they used to be, and most likely never will be again.
Fun Fact: All character names are German words! Frieren: freezing/to feel cold Fern: distant/far away Stark: strong Himmel: sky/heaven Heiter: cheerful/serene Eisen: iron Flamme: flame/fire Lügner: liar Draht: wire Linie: line Aura: aura Portrays their personalities quite well, I'd say :) Although, I did burst out laughing when the peace envoy is literally called "liar" lol
The demon girl was just thinking if I give them a "replacement" then they will stop keeping an eye on me and then I can go back to doing what I want. Demons speech is essentially if parrots were predators' if I uses these sounds in a particular order I can get humans to do what I want otherwise they'd know what a father is.
On the opposite end, dogs give us the "puppy dog" look with the use of their eyebrows, which manipulates humans to like them more, lol. So, it's fascinating to have these type of demons who learned speech to manipulate humans.
@@Markadown thts why their argument of "if a human were to raise a demon frm birth, could it have been tamed?" was somehow valid. ppl argue tht demons here are just mere monsters but theyre clearly more sentient then other monsters. they have their own society and are capable of working with each other, raise an army and evn submit to their king. It isnt wrong to think tht if somehow a demon was raised in the society of men, tht theyd be able to comprehend their feelings too. Or atleast submit to their master like a dog would. Just food for thought i guess.
@@Buckheimer but they eat humans, so I doubt it. It’s not entirely impossible for one to be tamed but dogs (as an example) have specifically been bred to be the way they are over a long period of time. so the puppy dog eyes exist in dogs (not wolves) as an evolutionary trait to manipulate humans because they receive attention, care (food), and protection. In this sense, it would be like raising a lion. Cute in cub stages, may entertain you as it gets older but make no mistake, it will rip you in two. What makes this even more complicated is that they look human and humans have a tendency to anthropomorphize creatures like animals. That episode no doubt showed this: they gave human characteristics to a monster that ate a child because it used speech (puppy dog eyes). Anyway, it’s fun to think about these things and I’m interested to see how this goes.
Cat pee also has an organism in it that makes rats and mice not fear cats and run up to them. This organism can also infect humans too. Cat ladies with 20+ cats more than likely have this organism
Aura was basically one of the Demon King's generals. Frieren meant that, though Aura survived their battle, she lost most of her power/followers when they fought 80 years before. Since she "regained" her powers 28 years previous to this episode, it's implied that she laid low for 50 years after the Demon King's death and started rebuilding her army as soon as she found out Himmel had died. IMO, demons kind of remained low-key for the rest of Himmel's life because they didn't want him to come out of retirement, but as soon as he passed they regained a lot of their courage.
Honestly, just the fact that they eat humans is reason enough. The fact that they look and sound like humans only makes it eerie. A portrayal of demons in its purest form. I love that for this anime. We only usually get "demons" in anime that are just another race like elves and dwarves. But not here. Here they're just evolved man-eating monsters.
Himmel planning ahead for Frieren 😭 so sad.. Funny how they brought up Stark/Fern age just as Sam was discussing it lol. Not Frieren flexing on this lowtier enemy 😂
Yeah about Demons: there is no redemption. They are Monsters who prey on the other races and that's it. They are absolutely not capable of feeling emotions, so they are never able to actually change. You'll have a great example of that later on in the Manga with a Demon who wants to get along with Humans and to understand the feeling of Guilt. Spoilers: he never learns anything and only acts out of self preservation, like all Demons do.
I wouldn't say they have no emotions, rather they lack certain emotions. They can feel happiness, anger, fear, etc. But lack empathy, guilt, malice, etc.
nice that the show explained to us demons are monsters that evolved to speak and (some) evolved to look like humans, so that humans would drop their guard.
I like this epsiode alot, because it has a lot of informations about the conflict with demons. Liked your discussion and i think the authors wanted exactly that. We have to keep in mind in frierens mind they are all monsters, but between the memories we see that demons dont are unreasonable monsters. They think and they feel. They seem like human sociopaths, they lack human emotion and connection, like frieren said, because they dont have families and grow up alone. From Frierens perspectiv it seems very clear, but memories can be twisted if they have hateful feelings underneath. Frieren didnt even act like there was a possibility of "friendly" demons. The young demon even mentioned he wants peace and this daughter was simply a peace offer. In their logic this was a reasonable act, a new daughter for the lost daughter. They dont understand our ethic system of bad/good things. What is punishable and what is not. They are still intelligent and used what was useful for them to act against humanity. I think its not a suprise they seem very cold and emotionless...like frieren. The only difference is Frieren is an elf and elfs have families. So they have more emphaty and are closer to humans. I dont think this is only a black/white scenario like many claim, but an act of survival. The demon even said as frieren asked about the word mom. "A magical word, that stops you from killing us." Can be seen as manipulativ, but if i think Dwarfs, elves and humans kill demons. Its necessary to kill to survive. Every race has to fight for their survival. We as humans also exterminated every dangerous animal on the planet so we could progress and migrate to every corner on Earth. For me demons act cruel, but rational for survival.
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You could be tempted to describe demons in this show as “always chaotic evil”, which is how they commonly are depicted in media. But I don’t think that’s really the case. It’s more of a good example of the trope “orange and blue morality”. The demons aren’t evil exactly, they don’t eat humans to BE evil or torment humans, that’s just happens to be their preferred food. They have some own concept of morality, but it is just alien and totally incompatible with ours. Couple that with a total lack of empathy and you have a creature you can communicate with, but never really reason with, because you lack any common ground of morality.
maybe in normal media, normal tv and movies, but in anime this is a rare take, almost every anime that features demons write them as just another race instead of evil man eating monsters that they were described irl
I love yall trying to reason why a demon does what it does, and that's exactly why a demon is such a successful predator of mankind, they count on us trying to come up with a reason for their actions, which makes us hesitate
I love Stark’s design as well Lady Samantha, it’s simple but fresh. His and Fren’s dynamic is so entertaining and adorable, it’s both sweet and, sour and spicy.
18:40 - Seems to be self-preservation: I ate their daughter -> These people keep looking at me like they want to kill me -> If I give them another, maybe they won't want to kill me anymore.
A great think about the Anime/Manga is that all the names are german words, so if you know what they mean it gives you more insight as to the caracters, Lugner for exemple means "liar".
Somehow, you're quite empathetic towards the demons in this series. However, reminder that this series is implying that the demons here is not meant to be sympathized. They are not the "demons who are just misunderstood".
Frieren the past 7 episodes has always been 100% rational, and if she of all people went: Violence is the Question and the answer is always Yes. I'd listen
They do have feelings, so do sociopaths, they just only have feelings for themselves,. They lack the theory of mind that makes most of us aware that other people also have feelings, separate from our own.
a thought. the girl says she felt the woman wanting her dead. and that is why she 'took' he mayor's daughter. if the mother had somehow been satisfied with the situation, who knows when the little demon would show her 'inhumanity'. Might even have ended up as a female Blade. a demon killing demons. :P
Ei garotas tudo bem ? Canal de vocês é bem legal e vi que vocês gostam de anime vocês já viram Cavaleiro dos Zodiacos iriam gostar ? tenho uma sugestão também já que gostaram de House of Dragon .. Game of Thrones é muito bom recomendo 😉💪🏼🤙🏻🙋🏻♂️🇧🇷
Great discussion about the demons that inhabit it. I think Lady Samantha and Morgan are both correct, it might be a nature vs nurture things along with them not being able to mentally process or comprehend humanity. I can’t wait to learn more about it, it is definitely similar to Demon Slayer, but also it’s own thing. Also Himmel is the best💙💙
its all about nature with demons, its like the parable of the fox and the scorpion, these are animals that look and sound like humans and because of that we think they would act and feel like humans and they use that to hunt humans, thats what frieren was trying to say, dont look on them as humans there not they are beast as soon as you start to think about them as humans u are doomed
It's totally fine to plug your patreon, but having that pop up every 2ish minutes feels so excessive. It just makes me want to avoid your patreon more every time it shows up, and it's getting annoying enough that I don't even want to finish the series on youtube either.
