From Prostitute To Golf Course Owner: Edith Downes Full Story - Do Not Seek Absolution Missions RDR2 

oh shit i just realize! Arthur caught TB from Him?!!!!!

@@claudy8857 Yep.

What annoys me is the entire time i just wanted to let him go and pay the debt myself, if only i could do that Arthur would be peacefully farming with John, Abigail, Jack, and Uncle (hopefully avoiding the first game).

@@DinoMan_6 Right before Christmas I was sick and had a horrible cough so I said I had TB

@@rkmurphy5648 I didn't even punch him to see if he looked any different but he went from okay to half dead by threats alone.

Indeed

The first time they met, Arthur said “Revenge Its a fools game” to him, archie understood good

I mean who wouldn't take the money. Hell, you having $100 back then could consider you a rich person

​@@amoresjohnwendell-os5ev I wouldn't say rich but you were certainly well off. Now if you had over $10,000 you would've been rich, or god forbid you had enough money to rival Rockefeller

​@@amoresjohnwendell-os5ev they became rich after. In epilogue you can find proves of it in a newspaper or smth like that. Arthur gave them money and they multiplied it well.

Towards the later parts of the game when town people would make remarks about arthur health it hurt my feelings cause everytime i got off my horse arthur was spitting blood lol

If Arthur was healty Micah wouldnt call him black lung and try to boss him around.

@@bloatersnake9787 facts healthy Arthur’s like 63 240. Micahs a normal size piss ant of a man. He woulda got tossed clean off that mountain

Even that one dude who kidnapped Tilly thought John was Arthur at first but came to the conclusion that Arthur was "Bigger".

@@codyjohns6525 In my second play ever time I got on or off my horse I made sure to pet and brush her

I wouldn't go that far. But he had a conscious. Unleashed his goodness the best he could when he got sick

@@anthonyfernandez82 It all depends on your definitions of good and evil. From my perspective, Arthur was a good man since the start. He was loving and caring. As Hosea said, "Sad thing is, good people do bad things."

personally saying, I think he was genuinely good person that was misguided by the gang methods and when he was facing certain death it showed the truth that he wouldn't let himself die before fixing as much as he could

The whole point of Arthur's character and the juxtaposition between Dutch is that Arthur was always a good person, even though his role in the gang was of a ruthless enforcer. While Dutch took the role of benevolent patriarch, he was NEVER a good person. As they came closer to the end, their trues qualities were revealed, and you find out who you actuallly should respect. The people like Micah, and Dutch, the fucking SNAKES, but even a snake has a natural sense of equilibrium with nature... The unnatural scum HATE people like Arthur, because they threaten his very nature. An honest person might stand to be around a liar, but a liar will NEVER stand for an honest person being around

Not really. He admitted to Jimmy Brooks and JJ Weathers he isn't good.

Rafi Maulana to think it took a death sentence of a disease to wake Arthur Morgan....had he woken up before he contracted the disease he probably would’ve been a lot like John from RDR1

@@immortalslime2908 It was almost as hard to wake John up too. But John wasn't so unlucky as Arthur

@@paulghencea9037 yeah that’s true, damn I loved this game going to have to play it again now that it’s out on PC

@@immortalslime2908 its kind of Truth in Television so to speak. Most people overlook most aspects of their life , in Arthur's case his health. It took death knockin' on his door to make him realise how valuable life actually is.

What? You love the writers, you mean.

I feel ya. I experienced a glitch of sorts - on account of my perpetual wandering in the game - where, after sending the Downes' off to a better life, I saw Mrs Downes *again* hooking on the corner!

@@drewgoin8849 I had the same experience, it was so funny! It was because you did the side quests during chapter 5, and not 6

@@drewgoin8849 yeah that shit made me laugh so hard

@@drewgoin8849 yeah, had that too. I don't think it was a glitch, just something the developers missed cause they forgot to connect the side missions with the main ones.

Why you gotta bring it up like that tho :')

He didn’t do on purpose but he did made a mistake going to the property and collecting the debt

Yeah while he did beat him Arthur didn’t realize he was sick and sooner or later it passed on to him!

God I just really loved this side quest in the game, Arthur goes through lengths to look out for them, not for forgiveness or redemption but just to make things right or do the least he could do, he doesn't say sorry in hopes to be forgiven he says sorry because he genuinely is sorry for the thing he's done, Arthur's a good person and I love this aspect of him

And that last “I said don’t thank me.” Nearly brings a tear to my eye.

He didn’t kill him

ComicWriter 2020 See, I feel the same way. Even though kills a lot of people, he did have a moral code, even if he says he didn’t.

You guys are pretty simple in the head. Arthur kills literally hundreds of people and that's only the half of his crimes. Still a great character though, but not a "good" person you nutters.

@@FoxenPiano and you’re pretty damn rude.

@@FoxenPiano only if YOU played him like that. How would you know if these people didn't play him as a Pope in a cowboy hat?

@@FoxenPiano Stop it, hes absolutely intended to be a good person with shades of grey, just because you didnt play him true to the characters intentions mean nothing. His notebook doesn't change from person to person and in it he makes it clear he doesn't pleasure kill. He also doesn't steal with violence's and refuses to steal from innocent people. Whenever he does shitty things or antagonizes people he knows they have "This isn't like you" dialogue for a reason. He refused to do blackwater because he wanted to do conartist shit with Hosea, who himself refused to kill unless provoked. He absolutely was intended to be a good person, the whole point of the series is to show how outside influence and a bad set of cards can shape a person into having to do bad things to get by. Thus why they end the series on Jack. Jack, Arthur, John they are all the same arc.

Great point, Roger Clarke's performance couldn't be better. Id just add though, that this quest is the key to Arthur's redemption. It's only unlockable if you play him as a good guy (high honour) and if you play him as a baddie, you'll never see it. I'd say it's integral to the story.

Yeah that line really got me the first time I played it. This game is an absolute masterpiece of storytelling, and Arthur is such an incredible character

@@LimbsMgee Yes! That's what I love about this - that the main storyline quests are pretty meaningless compared to the little side quests that are possible to miss or skip but tell the story of Arthur's redemption. It's like Sister Calderón (probably the character most similar to Arthur) says: good is something that you see through others; love is something that doesn't exist unless you do something selfless, perhaps meaningless, as a leap of faith, without any hope of personal gain. If you want to be happy, or 'good', or to understand the world, you have to live for others. Unless you got the lumbago, naturally.

Well it’s performance capture not voice acting.

@@LimbsMgee I think they made it this way to feel more relatable seing Arthur going from "cruel" to a man genuinely wanting to fix as much as he can, and the game gives a lot of chances to get high honor as you get to the last chapters

Could sum all that up with one word... Redemption. ;)

But I still have low honor

@@pyramid6782 Redemption... Shawshank Redemption. Another great title about redemption. Coincidence?

Martin VR I hated Arthur at the begging but the oh boi

How to truly play RDR2 (in my opinion) From chapters 1-4 play with gray to low honour, but after getting off Guarma, start to get that honour up, as I personally feel this is when Arthur started to become a realist.

Reality fucking sucks like that.

Unless you had bad honor in which the rat micha killed you.

@@C-Money_Tiers still. Arthur would have killed him if not for TB

@@xxtripleokgaming , so. Micha was the one to finish him off, TB may have been a factor but in the end it was not the one to finish the job.

Nah because he would’ve beat micahs ass if he didn’t have tb

perhaps the most intriguing and thought provoking and enlightening youtube comment i've read in years.

And the splash back of his bad behavior, consequences Mr Morgan , consequences !

I always steal Thomas downes horse in Valentine in chapter 2😂

@@TheMightyGoldenWesti didn’t know you could do that. 😱 What’s his horse, and where is it located?

@@gcm22490 when you first enter the town and he's at his stand trying to raise funds. It'll be behind him. You can see which one by scaring him so he jumps on it to ride off. Pretty sure it's a Tennessee walker or Morgan or something of the like, it's brown and multicolored splotched.

Not a thousand. Only 376

@@EnclaveSgt"only"

@@Kj-eb6bq well compared to everything John has been through, 300 is a bit small of a number

@@asylumskp4391 Dababy? No fuckin way!

@MyNameIsMak the fuck you mean ?

I never even caught that, that's really cool

That's a really insightful. I've never thought about it like that during all my playthroughs of the game.

“All I know is how to fight”

You're right how odd

Probably a glitch because the game just came out (back in 2018)

@Arthur Morgan Get well soon!

PLAN

LENNNAAAAAAYYYYYY

LimbsMgee TAHITI

Oh, Arthur.

Vastra shit man funny creepy coment

Hosea gave Arthur TB :O

Well you can say that your sanra

@Jaegar Ultima Its exactly why I absolutely HATED the mission where you had to beat the money out of him. Most of the debt collect missions are questionable as it is but that mission. That made me hate Strauss and it made me hate myself.

It's also heavily implied that the reason Thomas took the loan in the first place was in order to help the less fortunate. Not smart. But definitely an admirable act.

Damn bro deep

@@KirkTacticz Thanks man I tried really hard

According to interviews with the cast, every line like this where Arthur tears up/gets emotional is actually Rodger Clark crying and getting emotional over it. The writing is just that good, and the actors were that immersed with the story even in the mocap booth

@@xweert711 Goddammit man. Both RDR2 and God of War got similar things. Christopher Judge cried a lot in some scenes too. Like the Blades scene.

The one line that always makes me teary eyed is when he is talking to the Sister and tells her that he is honestly afraid. I can't get over it.

It doesn't matter how many times I come back, when I get near the end there's so many scenes that make me cry. It's a beautiful game truly a masterpiece.

@@st_raziel2283 i ALWAYS cry! i can’t help it

Manuel Benitez dude 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

hahahhahahahha

loads revolver with evil intent

@@bowenlavalley3297 😅

"Well, boah, guess it's 'bout time your momma goes back in black..." *Gun loading sounds*

it’s not like any of it was the family’s fault at all, Arthur’s the one that chose to beat on a man with TB. He knows this which is why he feels so guilty for what he did

Arthur is a dog burning in Hell for eternity lol, he beat a family man to death over a few dollars and some people think he deserver pity XD

Although it was downes that passed him tb, he also knew that it was the consequences of his actions that made him recieve it. had he not beaten the man to death over a debt, he would still be alive.

​@@beyondviolet exactly. Way too many rdr fans low-key downes even tho it wasn't his fault.

He's trying to right his wrongs. He knows that Mr Downes passed the TB onto him because he was in his face, beating up a sick man over some debt. Arthur beat him so bad that he ended up killing him, now he feels guilty & tries to help his family to ease his conscious. He knows his actions were the ones that put him in the situation he's in, and he's trying to fix his bad decisions, but it's too late. Pretty much the whole moral of the game

He probably has very good mental toughness

Except Micah

@@McHuman-dt5xb not even Micah, he got his ass saved by Dutch stepping on Arthur's hand

@@McHuman-dt5xb *Except Tommy

@@DrikTrajado true

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@@donnyallard9635 ur horny BOAH

@@donnyallard9635 ayo?-

@@ajgarciaii8218 if your a woman then yes

@@greuss2105 bruh

Why what’s the story? You killed her husband too?

@@Mentelgen-1337 He owed us moneh!

Cornoa

@@marpinn508 hahahaha cornoa

@@49seffy the cornoavirus also known as CORNOVID-19

Hy Punpun

@@YeBoiGhost lol

Gavin Seim lol

Either ways that's his fate in the game

Your friend still roams between rhodes and annesburg

I found u!

Yo there’s someone looking for you

Yeah but then all that character development would go down the drain

he would continuosly be the asshole he is if it werent for TB

@@CatCatCat19 he was changing before he knew that he got TB. He was calling Dutch's bs way before he got tb

I blame Straus for everything.

@@travisghilonijr475 Yeah, but he wouldn't have gone nearly as far as he did without TB. I don't think that he would have disobeyed Dutch as much as he did if he didn't get TB

-Eren Yeager, chapter 139

The rdr1 dutch "sports i guess" dialogue climbed into my head when i read this

You can see there how he didn't wanted to kill thomas

Yeah, he knows he ruined it up, what he did wasn't right, with large ammount of other sins that outweight his good actions, but he didn't just ignored them, he tried to fix it, help them, he didn't looked for forgiveness, he just couldn't stand still and watch their lives go down, Arthur wasn't a really good man, but he wasn't a bad one, he was a good man in the bottom, who, as the Blind Man Cassidy says, followed the wrong star his whole life.

That line killed me too... his voice highlighted his regret of killing the boy's father Kudos to the voice actor

Roger Clark 👍

yeah, that line made me hard too

@Kevin My Dude the use of music gets me in this game. 'Fire in your eyes' and the 'way it is' are just fantastic

I'm Not Here lees death got me it was so sad

Lee was the best. ✌️

I remember switching turns with my brother on the 360 to play the first season and man Lee's death really was super tragic, but it had to be done otherwise Clementine would have had to shoot him as a walker.

@@cel5207 I know having her kill Lee would've taught her that this world will be harsh, but in my heart of hearts, I couldn't let her do it. Not for my mercy, so I told her to leave me.

@Falgren A few people have said that now. It's the first I'd heard of it. Will keep an eye out for it 👍

I thought I imagined that, guess not

Same

Same. I thought it was just how the quest ended with the realization that she couldn’t change or something

I'm pretty sure that's how the original quest was supposed to start but it would also give you the quest if you just happen to spot her in Annesburg

It's not voice acting

@@mrducky179 then what is it?

​@@monobiteme6014 I think what the comment was trying to say. It's not JUST voice acting, but acting as well due to motion capture.

@goodshow man my horse is more devious than others...😑😂

LimbsMgee ur horse knew Thomas gave u it so it hurt him

He's a good boy 😂

@@LimbsMgee what horse breed do you have

I'm replaying that mission from the menu , so you get given default Arthur and a default horse. Not sure what breed it is, but it won't be anything special 👍

first repku

An angry feminist appears from the bush

@@chrisgould101 the feminist from St Denis or the Rhodes protest group

@@KronoriumKid2210 gona look that up

@@KronoriumKid2210 dam I remembered her now my ex gf had to stop me from blowing her away and being arrested

Pisqué Dune Lol 😂

Pisqué Dune I like that

Thomas wasn't a coward.

@@longblack666 ........ *sigh*

Slow and Painful death

@kuddraCube HD I did check before putting it in. Then put it in anyway 😂

@@LimbsMgee 😂

@Trainer Grim same! 😂

Ikr i didnt wanted to hit the guy and kept interrogating him..

Same bro! I was like yo fuck this guy I already know he's about to get Arthur sick. Wasn't trying to fuck around with the Downes at all. Not once. But he still died lol

I Just go here and talk with Thomas wife and she have me the money and arthur Just leave so i musnt Got a tb would i?

I came back to camp at 3 am and Mr Strauss went to me in his Pajamas and went "Herr Morgan, Herr Morgan, go and catch fucking TB because Money!"

That they ended up rich ?

​@@splashnskillz37all the money in the world is not worth even one extra minute with your loving father/husband

@@portland9880 ik, but at a macro level the lineage ascended to better condition in life at the very least

He knows it. Won't cure him, and he knows it's not going to be a solution to get him into heaven. But you've still got to live with yourself til you die. Thats the hardest thing for us all

Gabriel Augusto BOAH

if im skinning anyone im skinning you BOAH

HAVE.SOME.GOD.DAMN. *FAITH* Awlll I nead is soume munehy

Where's my lunch moneh?

Boah!

cops are simps

low honor maybe

Depends when yo do it, you get Wanstead dead or alive in Saint Denis after completing the heist

@@Jumbo_J shut up

Modern day police

@TheGoldenSea not everyone saw it 😂

bruh I just spent 10 mins looking for this, I couldn't find it on the wikia so I launched the game xD

Haha there was a second out take I was gonna leave in where I grappled her son Archie by the face when we returned 😂

Lmao you should have and instead of saving him from the miners you should have coughed on him because ya know the sins of the father 😬😂😂

I'd be all over that option if possible. I delayed playing the Thomas Downes mission for ages. Literally doing everything but that. Can't delay the inevitable though. F*** Herr Strauss.

@@LimbsMgee same here. He came to me to remind me of (and force me to) visiting Downes after I received and read Mary Linton's first letter. And that adds another sad little thing to it: as Arthur gets to see her again, he's already infected, so even if it turned out best for the both of them, Mary would sooner or later have to mourn yet another lover/husband. This way at least she got her "pretty dream".

@@LimbsMgee lol

He found redemption

@Watinki you shouda made him good

@Watinki u evil bastard. By staying evil honour, u get killed by Micah. I'm lucky I changed in the last chapter after being evil the first 5

Is that a JoJo reference ?

Good boah

Select Obvi shut the fuck up

gideonBR SaY HaVe YoU sEeN LenNY FeLLaR ?

ynneL

Hahah FoUnD y0u LeNNaYy!!!

How many have you had pal?

It's only polite

but if you wait it could get characters killed

FRRRR

i doubt it be to that extent but maybe a small thank you could be possible

Downes: "Just one last thing." Arthur: "What's that?" Downes: **kicks him in the dick** "Now we're even." Arthur: "Okay...that's...fair enough..."

I love Arthur too..but.. i don't think he's in heaven

​@@ZanoladabLmao that's YOUR Arthur that goes to hell. Not OUR Arthur and definitely sure as fuck not MINE.

​@@Zanoladab Yeah, Arthur himself said he would feel fooled if he went to heaven

The golf course thing isn't true. Just look it up.

The golf thing is true. It's stated on one of the newspaper in 1907.

@@Hazkal-ep3zs Yeah, the golf thing is true, but the name of the course in GTA V isn't what he said

I actually don't like the theory/idea of Red Dead and GTA being the same universe. The tone of Red Dead is much more serious and character-focussed. GTA has bits of that, but it's still a firmly tongue-in-cheek cultural caricature, where the characters and setting are more comedic. The characters' stories in Red Dead feel like they really could've happened, whereas GTA is a Hollywood exaggeration.

@@MPal24 they’re not. places like Manhattan are directly referenced in the RDR universe, which would contradict the existence of Liberty City.

Hence the name “Archie” I guess.

Witcher 3 game

Haha lol

Sadly the game forces u to