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Not the point of the video of course, but Detroit isn’t the capital city of Michigan. Lansing is. Easy mistake to make though since Lansing is pretty unassuming.
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@@VioletJoy I almost have to think his parents wanted him to become a psychotic mass murder I mean his Mother buying him a gun being aware of this dark thoughts and mental health issues..then her response to him getting caught in class looking up ammo and showing other disturbing behavior was to "not get caught next time?!?' I mean what sane person let alone parent would do that?
I mean in cases of these types of murderers it's common to say that the parents are also to blame and should be held accountable . But this is a case where I 100% agree with that statement
I feel that the stuff he scribbled on his class work was his last cry for help or him giving a warning signal. The teacher saw it and brought it to the parents attention and they ignored it. This case was disturbing! I’m so disgusted by these parents.
When people say US has a mental health crisis, this is one of the stuff they mean. In any other functional societies, he would´ve been sent to a psychiatric ward and get proper treatment. But those who can change don´t care, so the others have to suffer the consequences
It was in fact that school Councilor who made the decision to keep Ethan at school that day... so much info in this pod cast that is either skewed or wrong or just left out. The gun was not bought for his Birthday... it was an early Christmas present and the gun was not just given to Ethan... it was kept in the Parents bedroom... guns were not a new thing in Ethans life and the Parents had bought a .22 handgun for Ethans use at the range...but Ethan wanted the Sig... so much more to the whole story of this family and Ethans mental health...
You can’t just blame his parents, this boy knew he wasn’t going to get help from his parents, he had tried many times and got no were. So he tried with his teachers at school. He drew those drawing in order to get help, but again, he was let down by the school that knew what he was doing and did nothing. They also need to be punished.
@@maryowens8763Healthcare and teachers are supposed to report suspected abuse. Neglect is an abuse that many people seem to overlook, it doesn't leave visible marks on most kids but certainly harms children. The parents are supposed to be the primary defense for their kids. It's really sad to see them fail him, and anyone else that might have sounded an alarm either did not, or was not listened to.
@@zdiddy-dw9vg This may come as a shock to you, but providing the circumstances to commit murder is still a crime. Idk where you live, but most US states have laws that have determined that you do not have to be the one holding the weapon to be found responsible for murder. Rightfully so.
His parents completely neglected him, if they had actually been caring and attentive caring parents this could have been prevented. I’m not saying he absolutely would have been well adjusted, I can’t say that at all cause I don’t know, but in the very least something could have been done to help him if only his parents cared enough about him. They were terrible individuals who should have never been allowed to be parents.
I remember a teacher told me this former student left a note about how bad he wanted to kill everyone in school but he killed himself with a note that said "im better then that" my teacher viewed him as a hero
It doesn't surprise me that his parents attempted to run away from their responsibilities. They've been doing it since the birth of their son. I feel for the boy, but actions have consequences and he is where he should be.
Exactly. The whole thing feels like a morbid and disgusting plot to get mental help. As if he felt that the only way he could be allowed to see a psychiatrist would be if he got into the prison system as a violent crimes offender.
Hearing the audio of him describing what he’s going to do in such detail, shows one of the main reasons he did this.. for attention. Not only did he want to hurt and destroy, he wanted grave attention from the world (what he couldn’t get from his parents)
many maaaany children are neglected in even worst, but he was the one who chose to hurt others, including animals. i think schools should have more power to go over the parents and collaborate with psychologists, social services, police, etc. We know at least half of the people who are reproducing themselves are not fit to be parents.
I was neglected in some ways at his age by one parent, but not to that extent. It still did damage. Our parents and the way they treat us REALLY impact us down the road, sometimes quicker than we may think. I am not condoning what he did and he should be put in prison and rehabilitated, but I can't truthfully say I don't understand why he did it.
@@MisterPuggles yes I know what he did was wrong in every way but he wasn't born evil that's for sure he could be working at NASA designing a new rover or something if his life had a different path
Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he had ever hallucinated. Everyone thought he was just another sad teenager. What he wrote in his journal can't be taken as fact and his parents had no idea what he was contemplating. The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.
My fiancée’s current therapist was one of the trauma therapists that was called in to help survivors debrief. I am so, so, so pleased that the parents are being held legally responsible for this tragedy.
@HanzoMishima yeah dip shit I am. She wants to clout chase and comment on here on how he/she was connected to the crime. Yet she was too uneducated to notice he said the capital of her homestate is Detroit when, in fact, it's Lansing. He Literally starts the video off giving us wrong info. She didn't catch it cause she was too concerned about clout chasing.
Agree. I know people are saying that this case is a slippery slope, but his parents didn’t even try to do anything to help their son. Other parents of disturbed children like this have tried to help their kids.
Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he had ever hallucinated. Everyone thought he was just another sad teenager. What he wrote in his journal can't be taken as fact and his parents had no idea what he was contemplating. The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.
thank you for covering this, Adrian. as a Michigander, I still feel the Oxford shooting heavily; I know somebody personally affected and I live over 2 hours away. less than a year later, a shooting at Michigan State University shook our state again and left some students with trauma from surviving two shootings within less than 12 months. I hope every person who was negligent in this case never feels peace. his parents even tried to evade police in a hotel room ffs.
@@alexmajaxoriginally it was Michiganian. Then another state’s representative called us Michigander as an insult. We pulled a typical Michigan thing by adopting it and laughing it off. So either is accepted.
I feel the same way. I remember being in class on the day it happened, and constantly refreshing news feeds for updates. I remember that the next day when we went back to school, the halls were empty because so many people skipped out of fear. My highschool was never known as a really safe place (In fact a common phrase was "Only at Anchor Bay" among students), but the shooting truly worsened it. It didn't help that everyone knew someone who knew someone who was at Oxford when it happened. I still remember hearing abt how someone's best friend had died, and how they didn't know what to do with themselves anymore. After everyone had to start coming back, I remember that even the teachers were all shaken up. I remember my graphic arts teacher tearfully pleading with us to be wary of what we say and how we treat others, because she couldn't stand the thought of a single student being hurt. I remember she went over an escape plan with us where we could go out the back doors and down the street and hide at one of her friend's houses, and the fact that she had to make that plan in the first place makes me so upset. There were so many students who struggled to go back to school. So many kids were scared and anxious and had panic attacks, me included. I remember that I started carrying around a blanket, weighted plushie, and fidget toys for anyone who needed it. It doesn't seem like much, but you would not believe the amount of comfort those items could bring. This was the first school shooting that had really hit close to home for any of us, and it just turned everything upside down. And this is what happened to a school that wasn't even related to Oxford. I feel so terrible for those students every day, and I really hope that they all have had therapy to deal with the trauma. I hope our state never has to deal with something like this again, and same goes for the rest of the country. You never know how terrible a tragedy like this is until it happens next door to you.
Im not sure I put as much importance on some of the issues he had growing up. I moved every three years my entire life and I was an only child that was ignored by my parents. I have no desire to hurt anyone.
The thing that made me happiest in this story, is that the parents are facing charges too. They deserve the same punishment or worse than Ethan. His childhood would have been seriously rough, but I feel worse for the families of those who didn't make it.
I thought the parents were white collar big wigs but the dad was just a grub hub driver only and he thought that was more important that the customer get his food!
@@Geshtar82no, anyone dumb enough do give their depressed son that’s having homicidal thoughts a gun is not going to be a high functioning member of society.
▪︎ If we're now "guilty by association," we're all going to be locked up in no time for _other people's crimes!_ ▪︎ The fair thing to do is add the appropriate charges to the penal code & charge ppl w/ what they _actually did,_ rather than with crimes they didn't commit, "but knew of or should've known of." ▪︎ Jennifer Crumbley was responsible for aspects of her child's behavior & was negligent in this case. She didn't take anyone's life, however. ▪︎ Parents of school sh00ters are typically charged _appropriately,_ with things such as neglect of a child, improper storage of a firearm, or criminal negligence. What the prosecutor charged here will open the floodgates for all kinds of charges to be filed against parents for their children's actions, or anyone DAs decide _should've_ known of a crime & stopped it before it occurred.
This ones 100% on the parents. I know what its like being cooped up in a room all day, every day while home alone. All while feeling the same feelings he had of abandonment, i lived with my dad and he was the same, never bothered to talk to me, never bought food for the house, wouldn't reply to messages and would randomly go on holidays. It made me feel genuinely crazy like my brain was breaking and i couldn't do anything about it. Being alone with the feelings of hopelessness and abandonment brings out the worst in people, for me i got paranoid that people were judging me 24/7 and that wasn't helped by the fact i have serious insomnia, depression and anxiety. It left me in a state of constantly feeling like one minor convenience or one bad thing happening and i would completely flip off the rails and either end it all or lash out at the wrong people. After a while of that sort of treatment and having those feelings it makes you seriously resentful of practically everything and yourself, and it never ends well unless you can escape it or get any sort of help, which in this case the parents failed to provide and now the victims parents have to live with this negligence as the reason there children were killed. truly a sad case that i can relate to a bit too well, my condolences to the families of all that were lost, may they rest in peace
Thumbs up to the authorities for making Ethan’s parents responsible for their part in this very sad story..I hope they get the harshest punishment possible…another great story Adrian….thanks!
The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.
his voice recording made me almost cry. this is so terribly tragic for the victims, the victims families, the children who are now forever traumatized… but also for Ethan who never even had a fighting chance despite screaming out for help…
Oh please. I would have sympathized with Ethan but I don’t have empathy for killers. There are thousands of kids with neglectful parents, and even though that sucks, they don’t usually turn out to be school shooters.
@@Pinkpompoms591 Everyone is different. you can't compare the misery of one person to other. Those who doesn't turn into criminals is strong enough to fight back. Those who failed simply can't. If everyone can just be strong then nobody would be miserable
@@made13145 so it’s fine to become a killer because you don’t have the strength to fight back? Oh please, if that’s the case then they should have never been born
@@Pinkpompoms591you have much to learn about the complexities of life. no one is excusing his haneous actions, but understanding is the root of prevention.
▪︎ If we're now "guilty by association," we're all going to be locked up in no time for _other people's crimes!_ ▪︎ The fair thing to do is add the appropriate charges to the penal code & charge ppl w/ what they _actually did,_ rather than with crimes they didn't commit, "but knew of or should've known of." ▪︎ Jennifer Crumbley was responsible for aspects of her child's behavior & was negligent in this case. She didn't take anyone's life, however. ▪︎ Parents of school sh00ters are typically charged _appropriately,_ with things such as neglect of a child, improper storage of a firearm, or criminal negligence. What the prosecutor charged here will open the floodgates for all kinds of charges to be filed against parents for their children's actions, or anyone DAs decide _should've_ known of a crime & stopped it before it occurred.
I write for a small weekly newspaper in the sticks north of Detroit. I don't cover news in Oxford, but one community I do cover provided mutual aid to Oxford and a sheriff's deputy tearfully shared a story about how one of his fellow officers found Justin Shilling and stayed with him, holding his hand until he was transported to the hospital. “I want his parents to know I held his hand and spoke to him until we could get him removed from the building and to the hospital. I wanted him to know in that moment that he wasn’t alone and that someone was with him,” was what the officer said.
Ethan is where he belongs but I'm so genuinely disgusted at these "parents" and the monster they single handedly created. Makes me so damn embarrassed to be from the same country.
@@creasedhorizon8931 Possibly. His entire life will be structured now, and he will now be told what to do and when to do it for the rest of his life, day in and day out.
His parents giving him a firearm reminds me of the Brenda Spencer case. I don't remember the specific wording but her dad gave her a firearm for birthday after she started displaying scary behavior. She stated she felt it was his way of asking her to harm herself because why would he give his daughter a firearm. These are giving me the same vibes.
Buying him a 🔫 when they already had 2 of them for many years was not significant. Had they not purchased a 3rd, he still could've gotten a hold of the other 2. Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he ever hallucinated - he joked about it one time 7 months before the tragedy. Everyone thought he was just sad his friend moved away & his dog died. He never had problems at school prior to the day of the tragedy. Nobody ever thought he was in distress. He seemed like a normal kid. When teachers found out EC was the perpetrator, they were SHOCKED.
Jeeze, the parents in this case. Their son was pretty much screaming out for mental help and their answer to this is to buy him a gun?? This is definitely a case where the parents needed to be charged as accessories to the crime. How could they decide that sitting out in the pub all the time is more important than their child? I just can't wrap my head around this.
I moved around way more than Ethan, watched slasher films from years old onward, and played what were considered violent games at the time, and was a latchkey kid. Yet I never hurt or killed anyone. There are tons of people I have met in person who never hurt or killed anyone. Not to mention all the killers and crazies you've covered that had good lives and loving homes.
@@Niac022 pretty hard to shoot people if your limbs don’t function. And nobody in the video ever blamed the video games, it was mentioned as one of MANY violent tendencies the kid had
I agree with what you are saying, and I also moved around a lot etc. etc. it doesn't mean just those factors is what makes people do these sorts of things. But it DOES seem to be a reoccurring theme in a lot of them. For this poor guy I think the major factors were absent parenting and being an only kid. Prolonged solitary confinement has been declared by the United Nations as tantamount to psychological torture. Can you imagine texting your MOTHER and she doesn't even bother texting back? No friends, no siblings, almost no parents, he was in solitary confinement from the day he was born. No wonder he cracked. There are studies showing that the brain undergoes physical changes under the effects of solitary confinement, with one study stating "isolation causes severe and permanent damage". It seems a common issue with lone shooters and the incel community in general.
none of those things on their own are responsible. but none of them help when a mentally ill child is left to raise himself, with parents who not only leave him alone, but don't even answer texts. i was a latchkey kid too. that's not the same as how this kid grew up.
I've always believed that person is responsible for their actions alone, but my god, this has to be some of the worst parenting I've ever seen. If they're not criminally culpable, they HAVE to be financially liable at the very least.
Not a lot of channels do it in true crime videos, but I've seen a few, but I do appreciate you going over the victims in the closing so we remember them above all and humanize them how they should be
My youngest son is 10 years old . I could never leave him home alone ! It’s heartbreaking that Ethan reached out to his parents so many times to no avail . When he sent the text that demons were in the house and she didn’t even respond !!! Wtf ! That was some cold hearted parenting right there , they definitely should be taking some of the consequences . He needed urgent mental health intervention . He must have felt incredibly alone . Not excusing his actions though but it’s just sad all round . I hope the parents of his young victims can find some healing what a tragedy 😢
Congratulations on your coffee company man. You totally deserve it. This story just emphasizes to me that not everyone should have kids and not all parents deserve their kids. So sad it ended like this. 😢 His parents deserve just as much punishment as he does.
Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he had ever hallucinated. Everyone thought he was just another sad teenager. What he wrote in his journal can't be taken as fact and his parents had no idea what he was contemplating. The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.
Mr. Adrian, just when I think you can't get any better, you prove me wrong. The empathy you show for each victim in this case is very moving. This case is heartbreaking. If someone had just cared for Ethan. Nobody wins. I like the way you carefully went through this story, covering so much information I never knew about this case. This one must have been tough to cover. Thank you for doing it in the Mr. Adrian style.
I really like your page. You don’t sensationalize these stories like others. Your voice is so soothing too you can narrate for a living. I also really appreciate that you always spend some time at the end of the videos describing the victims lives and personalities. Thank you Coffeehouse Crime
Both parents should be in prison along side him. Its just as much of a crime to not take care of your child, to not even have tried. Its break my heart
Being from the UK 🇬🇧 I remember this being shown on CNN and FOV. It's great to hear it all from beginning to end, a brilliant video and explanation. Thank you xx
I wish people that are thinking of having kids should undergo a psychological exam! Honestly, these (so called) parents should do a long time in prison. Those poor innocent kids. I grieve for their families.🙏 Anyway, I am excited to receive my first bag of "Classified Coffee" and mug. Excellent reporting of this story, Adrian❣
One time, during a rather unstable time in my life, I went to a mental hospital and met someone from Oxford HS. She was close with a couple of the victims and you could see just how much it had affected her. I hope she’s alright now
Love the job you do, long-time follower .... yet another sad result of someone's neglected mental health struggle. I think the parents are absolutely 100% liable for burring their useless heads in the sand and ignoring their child's unmistakable cries for help, super selfish to say the least. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. small side note, Lansing is the capital of Michigan, not Detroit.... grew up in Michigan Thanks again for all your good work!
these "parents" are absolutely insane. what an out of touch couple of people. and you are damn right about alcoholism's impact on people of all walks of life. several years ago, a lady passed out drunk in her BMW and coasted her car right thru the front glass of the barber shop i was working at. this was around 3PM on a Tuesday afternoon. she immediately refused medical attention when the cops and ambulance arrived. turns out she was 63, rich, and totally hammered.
This kid was screaming for help for ages now, and his parents went "lol, tough life, buddy. Here, have a gun" and then checked out again. I'm glad they're facing charges, because they are in quite a big part responsible for what happened. I hope this sets some precedence for reminding parents they are meant to parent and not just turn blind eye to stuff like this.
Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he had ever hallucinated. Everyone thought he was just another sad teenager. What he wrote in his journal can't be taken as fact and his parents had no idea what he was contemplating. The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.
As a parent the best advice I came across (in the book The conscious parent) is "that the first 10 years is the most critical. It is important to be conscious as a parent with your children's environment and behaviour. This is so sad, he didn't deserve these people as parents they failed him big time.
This case is still so shocking because how easily preventable it was if Ethan had just simply gotten the care, love, and attention every child needs 5 young people lost their lives
Adrian! Not for nothing; I’ve been following you for years and have loved watching your channel grow, I think you had like 200k subscribers when I started, which is a great number to begin with! I’m glad people are finding you. Thanks for always covering unique cases, I love how you set the scene and give background details on the location and people involved. Can’t wait to try your coffee! Congrats!
Every time Adrian invites me to grab a coffee and pull up a chair, he's just so friendly and cute, that I have to stay and watch ❤☕️ Congratulations on Classified, Adrian! So very cool!
What this boy did was horrific and my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. But his text to his mother saying ‘can you at least text back’ breaks my heart. I am so glad his ‘parents’, (not that they deserve to be called that) are facing charges. What an absolutely vile pair.
Glad the parents were found guilty. This kid was literally begging for help and instead of getting him counseling they bought him a gun. Refused to take him home the day he killed classmates. Fled the city when he was arrested. These parents made a killer by their nurturing and didn’t care who was collateral damage. They deserve prison.
The confession he wrote about him cutting one bird in half and sticking its siblings live head inside the cavity is just ... I think its almost a blessing that he wasnt physically strong enough/ cunning enough to abduct his victims and take some real time with them...
WoopWoop!🎉 Huge congrats on your coffee brand Adrian 🙌 Bless Madison's mum for still finding compassion for Ethan's negligent parents. She shouldn't be sorry, it's a shame that they didn't want to be parents...
The fact that child protective services were not involved much earlier in his life is crazy! And when the school finally spots the issues they just threaten with contacting them!? Its handled completely wrong as they should just contact CPS as soon as there’s a suspicion then it’s up to CPS to find out whether there’s a need for intervention. Too many cases fall through the cracks otherwise. Frustrating!
While Ethan is a sociopath, I feel sorry for him, neglected like that while asking for help is hurtful. A child raised alone. Those parents are disgusting.
@@Bornagainvillainso many labels and definitions. All I see is a monster that must be purged before it destroys everything around it. Sadly it's usually after the fact that the monster is captured and or destroyed.
@@TomikaKelly he’s a child. Yeah, he’s wrong. Yeah he’s responsible for his actions. But his parents, who are responsible for raising him, failed him, and that created the monster before us.
Nature vs Nurture; their neglect of Ethan has gone a long way to causing Ethan to being the way he was. My heart goes out to the families and victims but it also goes out to Ethan. He probably had very little self worth hence the attention seeking. Love the new additions to your coffee house Adrian. Was it easy to find the name for your coffee? I love the packaging. We don’t tend to drink filter coffee, my other half drinks Nespresso but if we did then I would definitely buy it. Many congratulations on your new venture, I hope it’s truly successful! Niki 🧡
I've never been so happy to still be awake at 2:18am 😅 congratulations again for your classified coffee release, Adrian. Looking forward to listening to this new case. Sending love and sleepy vibes from Australia x
There were so many places where they failed to protect these students. Both teachers and his parents. It’s more obvious how his parents failed, but when the teachers found the depictions of gun violence and just called his parents to come get him but let him back out into school? That’s a failure. I went to high school before this kid- at a different school, and much earlier and perhaps it was the closer proximity to columbine but my school did not let any graphic depiction of gun violence slide whatsoever. There was one threat that I knew of that was credible and the girl that made the threat in a similar fashion got ALS for the rest of the school year if not the rest of her HS career (ALS being alternative learning service). As soon as the drawing was discovered she was removed from her possessions and put into an office where her bag and locker could be searched and we went into lock down while they had dogs patrol the whole campus. I never saw her on campus again and she was removed from yearbooks thereafter. The fact that this school just threatened with CPS if they didn’t get him in therapy in 48 hours instead of very much proactive intervention is how the school failed these students.
So, just an fyi: the scene where the kids are in the class and you said it was Ethan trying to trick them out, it was actually confirmed that it was actually a police officer at the door, not Ethan.
There were a few other incorrect statements, as well. He said there was no 🔫 safe in the home, but there clearly was, as was discussed in the recent trial.
There is a book, "People of the Lie" by Scott Peck. These parents are such people. They are empty, without feelings and lethal. Our society has become much too accepting of such people and their behavior.
My heart aches for the lives lost and the pain endured. Neglect and ignorance never should have taken away their futures. Ethan's actions may have been his own, but the responsibility lies with the parents who failed to protect and guide him. It's a tragedy that could have been prevented.
All children deserves parents.. but not all parents deserve children I jus cane across your channel an really enjoy it. I live in Duncan where the Hruby family lived an were killed, it hit close to home.
I don't understand why people have children only to completely ignore them!! 🤬🤬 These "parents", IF anyone can call them that, are more culpable than Ethan in his crimes. It's common sense that whatever a child does criminally, the parents are equally responsible. Because it was their negligence that allowed for the crimes to happen.
Not in every case. There are definitely situations of parents doing their best and the kid still doing wrong. In this case however they are absolutely responsible.
The parents are absolutely at fault for their son’s upbringing. It’s disgusting how many times they just blow off their son’s warning signs for how depraved he was and didn’t do anything about it. Hell they probably encouraged him by getting him that gun. It’s horrible how 2 people can give their child a weapon and do nothing about his own health.
How his parents handled their son's mental health? They didn't. Self-centered people who obviously did not want to parent the son they brought into the world. IMO, they ARE the cause of Ethan's mental state. They intentionally ignored all the warnings and reports from others and then, bought him a deadly weapon. Ethan didn't deserve this treatment just as his victims didn't deserve what he did to them. I wish for healing for everyone involved. ❤
Hiya Adrian! I love your videos! Small thing, but unfortunately Detroit isn't the capitol of Michigan, it's Lansing. :D Long time fan, keep up the great work!
I live in Oxford, MI and this was horrifying g. Even the vigil was traumatizing with ppl in town so scared that a stampede happen when someone fainted and someone else yelled gun. BTW Detroit is not Michigan's capital, Lansing. MI is our capital. 😊
Can't help but feel a little sorry for the kid. Instead of investing any love or time in their son, his stupid selfish parents sowed to the flesh and reaped of their own negligence, whilst innocent kids suffered the consequences. Awful story.
@@TomikaKelly Feeling somewhat sorry for him doesn't equate to agreeing with or endorsing his actions, which I find to be just as wicked and deplorable as anyone else who loathes evil.
I believe that there may have been a 'demonic' entity harrassing him, like he said. But only after the parents had ignored him so much that he started to have psychological issues. Some parasitic malevolent entities feed off negative energy and emotions, and harrass depressed and vulnerable people by putting bad images into their minds. Can't believe the mother couldn't even send one single text message back to him when he asked for a reply. He just wanted to feel safe and loved, like he was worth something - his parents time.
I had the same thought Madisyn's mother had = they didn't want to be parents. It seems pretty clear from those text messages that Jennifer thought she could treat her son like a friend (or acquaintance) and just leave him to take care of himself.
This happened right outside my hometown. I always loved Oxford, it’s such a nice area. This event is still regularly talked about but not for him, for the victims. Oxford Strong.
It's so good to hear that the parents were held accountable! He was left to raise himself. I blame them more than I blame Ethan. This was so preventable. All they had to do was love him and care for him. He would have been better off given to someone else at birth. So sad all around. My love and prayers for the four teenagers friends and families. 😢❤
Those parents are amazing, especially when they didn't even care about the genocide their own son went on, absolutely astounding people that deserve all the compassion Gordon Ramsey has when you forget the lamb sauce.
Nobody knew the kid had mental health issues. Nobody believed he had ever hallucinated. Everyone thought he was just another sad teenager. What he wrote in his journal can't be taken as fact and his parents had no idea what he was contemplating. The 1 & only time the school asked the parents to come in to discuss concerns, BOTH parents went to meet w/ their son & school staff. The school psychologist gave them a list of MH providers & 48 hours to make an appointment - which they agreed to do. School staff allowed EC to stay @ school & didn't check his bag, and knew of his drawings, knew he'd been looking up ammo during class, & knew he'd been to the range 2 days prior. If school staff felt EC could remain @school that day, it's obvious that his parents would see nothing wrong with it either.
Adrian congrats on Classified, I wish I could order but I am in Cape Town, South Africa. I seriosly love your cases and your voice. Thank you for your content, it has helped me through the loss of my father and recently having to put my dog down. Coffe and Crime - ♡ Ethan was neglected and wanted to be loved and NOTICED, but he acted in violence because he knew he would FINALLY get the attention and in doing so “relieve his anger and fantacies”… SAD!
My son is 20 now, and looking back, we certainly never babied him, but I can't think of even a single night where we left him alone when he was still a child, *ESPECIALLY* at age 13 ... Even if we were out grocery shopping, we'd still be concerned and made sure he knew what to do in case of an emergency, and he always had a phone ... That's pretty much standard parenting, and while I obviously sympathize, I put the blame on both parents more than I do the kid.
I fully blame his parents, so many times he cried out for help and there were red flags; all this was ignored and saw as "attention seeking." Thus, he snapped and took his rage out on others.
Ethan's mother going to just gossip and complain about her son for potentially just seeking her attention is sick. If your kid is acting out, they need some kind of help that they probably aren't able to properly vocalize. Kids are malleable, there was time to get him the help he clearly needed before he took innocent people's lives.
I live in Michigan. Lansing is the capital of Michigan, not Detroit. 😅 But these events are still talked about a lot here. It’s absolutely tragic and hit close to home for a lot of people here.
The parents are so responsible too! The fact that he actually asked for help, and was brushed off, and how they pretty much left him to his own devices, lacking nuture.... who knows if any of that might have made any difference, but they didn't even try. They fed into his negative thoughts. I am so glad that his parents are standing trial too.
My wife's little brother was playing cod when he was 4. He was really good at it, too. He is 16 now and an honor student. It's up to parents to teach right from wrong - as well as teach the difference between games and reality.
Ethan seemed very self-aware and he did everything short of turning himself into the police before he shot up the school. It's hard not to feel that he could possibly be rehabilitated.
I swear everytime I see his face I get a little jumpscared. 3 years later and it's still sureal to think that this happened 10 minutes away from my home, in a building I was in almost every day for 4 years. You'd never think it could happen in your home.
I find it interesting how he completely neglects to hold the school accountable! He wants to blame the parents but won’t blame those truly responsible (aside from Ethan)!!
My son is a rural American teacher, my daughter a hs therapist, and this is one of my greatest fears. Adults purchasing firearms for mentally ill children should absolutely be held accountable.
"I'm sorry you didn't' want to be parents. That you didn't want to take care of your child. As a result, you took mine away from me." That's so powerful. It's also frightening.
its true tho buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I also find that people in general are either bad at or unable to deal with people in troubled situations. I have no doubt a healthy peer group can counterbalance parental neglect. Unfortunately it was not there either.
This is why Choice has to remain available. Parenthood is just too important to be forced upon someone. Yes, some people still won't make the right choice (like these parents), but far more will!
As a mom, it saddened me when he texted "Can you at least text back?" That kid never had a chance. He practically raised and fended for himself. Mentally he was f'd by age 9
@@TomikaKelly He was in severe need of help. I had terribly abusive, absentee parents and grew up a pacifist who despises guns, but I still understand that not every child is the same.
Update - As of yesterday, his Mother has been found guilty of 4 cases of involuntary manslaughter and faces us to 15 years in prison for each charge. The hearing is set for 9th April. The father faces a seperate trial and has pleaded not guilty. Great video as usual Adrian. Please keep them coming.
I thought our justice system and the law was supposed to be objective, not subjective. I thought lady law was blindfolded so the law would be applied in an unbiased manner. I thought laws were to be written in a way that makes it clear whether they were violated or not. I thought this was purported to be a black or white issue with no grey areas. Everyone who said "not guilty" said the State didn't prove their case (with proof, or evidence). Everyone who said "guilty" started their responses with "I think she should've..." Nevermind that the law allowed them to not lock up the 🔫...."I think she should have locked the 🔫 where he couldn't get it." Nevermind that he seemed like a normal kid with no disciplinary issues, "I think she should've spent more time with him." Nevermind that the school didn't send him home & gave her 48 hours to find a therapist. "I think she should've taken him home immediately after seeing that drawing." So, now it's cool to apply the law based on what you think? Based on your opinion? Based on your feelings? Not based on what the law says & what proof of your guilt was presented in the hearing? WTF?!
@@ThatRedheddStay in school kid. Those who talk up the importance of objective truth are the ones who balk at science and facts, themselves. His parents were criminals, even speaking to their son in a way so as to give him tips on how to avoid the law. You're just one dude on the internet, not in a courtroom, and lacking in the full breadth of context. There's no need to get bent out of shape because his mom got charged -- it only makes it sound like you're insecure about your own beliefs and practices.
@@ThatRedheddThe parents demonstrated criminal negligence and ignored all of the signs that their child was becoming increasingly violent and a threat to both himself and others. They facilitated the commission of the crime by providing the weapon that he used to commit it. That they texted him the day of the shooting "not to do it" means they knew he was capable of it and did nothing to stop him. The truth is that it is entirely legal to hold parents criminally responsible for the crimes their children commit if the parents could have reasonably prevented the crime from occurring. If you don't want that kind of responsibility, then don't have kids.
Ethan telling his parents that there is a monster that destroys the house and only is there when he is alone absolutely broke my heart. 😢 He wanted his parents to care so badly…
Ethan's parents are absolutely terrible people. Don't have kids if you're not gonna take responsibility for them. They not only failed him - but also everyone else affected by his actions - hence should be locked up alongside him. RIP to the victims.
@@zdiddy-dw9vg Can't be both? Forcing people to carry pregnancies to term, then making it excessively easy for their unwanted kids to access guns is kind of a recipe for disaster.
This is a prime example why abortion should always be offered as basic rights to each individual. I wonder if Jennifer thought about this after becoming pregnant or if it was something available to her at the time. I would honestly like to know more about the parents upbringing and history now.
I was born addicted to opiates and adopted to a family that never forgave me for my addiction. They were horrible people, I grew up broken and joined the military, I got out, and never once thought about doing a similiar action. This child broken as he is, deserves to be punished for a few decades
These cases make me so angry. His parents knew. They knew he was unstable and did nothing. They did nothing his whole damn life, and as a result, many young lives were cut horrifically short.
Not to mention they were planning running, leaving him to twist in the wind with a public defender because they emptied all their bank accounts, including his.
I can't believe how his parents handled his mental illness and just literally helped him to make those fatal moves. They need to get really harsh punishments too!
@@MachinimaCommentary1Is that a joke? Weed is a medicine for many, including animals. One f@#$ed up kid with useless, toxic parents would not be healed by removing a medicine from circulation. Grow up, pet.
@@VioletJoy one of the Columbine shooters (Dylan) supposedly came from a very loving home but was a follower and got mixed up with a bad person (the other shooter Eric).
Millions of kids haven’t experienced living parents all over the world. Doesn’t mean they murder innocent people because of it. His parents were trash. But this can’t be an excuse or even reason to MURDER people ffs!! Listen to yourselves.
Update: Ethan was sentenced to life in prison without parole in December and his mother was just found guilty of involuntary manslaughter for her role. She faces up to 15 years in prison and is still being held on bond. James (the father) is expected to go to trial next month on the same charges of involuntary manslaughter that the mother faced.
