I have had mine for several months now. I have almost completely stopped using VR since I got it. 90% of the effect of VR without the uncomfortable, hot VR goggles. I like it better than TrackIR because I don't have to wear reflectors on a hat or headphones. It has been 100% reliable since I got it. I find it most helpful when lining up for a landing, especially turning base to final.
I have this from 10 years ago with fs2004 with the trackIR5 and the track clip pro. It works perfectly with fs2020 exactly like the tobi. You shown in the video. It is very precise with the IR as well and allow all movement. Only cons is there are some cables and the clip attach is fragile. My wife broke my first one. I bought another one. I would have prefer a more solid attachment. You have to carefully handle it to install it on a headset. But except that after you are like in vr experience with precise 6 DOF and with the headset you feel in the plane. There is also a less expensive track clip which works as well and not fragile as there are no active light anymore. It works but it is not as good as the track clip pro. Very good product and it can replace a vr headset and give the advantage that fs2020 has only one screen to render and it is easier to get ultra settings and far less expensive. I have a vr headset but still use my trackir5 in fs2020 with high/ultra settings at nearly 60 fps when i do only 23 fps in VR at 2880 x 1600 and only at medium settings with ultra textures. So the difference in rendering difficulty is huge between normal pc and vr. So the trackir5/to i are good solutions.
One thing worth mentioning with the Tobii Eye Tracker; it might seem expensive but compared to the cost of a decent VR headset and the price to be added for the right PC specs to run VR well, it's a bargain! I've been using mine for about a month now (I bought it when they had a 25% saving) and it's been a godsend. In addition, being able to see my flight panel switches and controls (which you can't do with VR) is a bonus. My situational awareness - especially when landing - is so dramatically improved I never fly without it. Well worth the money!!
@@user-ez8gv Xbox is PC, it even runs Microsoft windows OS. It basically crushes any PC at the time it debuts & still crushes PCs for a few years. Sure a PC might match it's specs but you'll have to spend 3 or 4 times the money just to match the Xbox gameplay. Xbox is a closed system so can't upgrade GPU, Ram Memory etc So after 3-4 years PC hardware prices come down a bit and you then can match or even surpass Xbox that is stuck with 3-4 year older hardware etc. If they made a Xbox where one can not just upgrade storage but ram memory it would still hold it's own. Ability to upgrade GPU & they'd be no rival. Xbox would crush it.
I bought the tobii eye tracker 5 before having to use TrackIR 5. Tobii is a great product but depends how you have your simulator setup. I use a 55" TCL tv as my primary display and sit my butt in my recliner approximately 5' away. Then between me and the tv is the Turtle beach stand with honey comb alpha yoke and bravo throttle quadrant mounted. on top of the bravo I have my logitech multi-panel and 15" touch screen running air manager panels. On top of the alpha I have my 10" tablet running my six pack air manager panels. Then to my left I have a snack tray which I mounted the logitech comm panel, my keyboard and 22" monitor displaying little nav map. So this makes using tobii difficult if not impossible to use, being it has to be mounted on the bottom of your display. So I had to get TrackIR which mounts on the top of my display. So yes they are both good products, but look at your setup and see which will work best.
Maybe they recently added this option, but I believe there is a tripod mounting solution and software support for putting the tracker between yourself and the monitor now.
Another great video buddy! Personally, after using VR for MSFS, which is incredible by the way, I'd much rather use this. That's just my opinion though, lots of VR pilots would definitely disagree with me 😅
Thanks PG. I'm with you there: I love VR in General and I was an early adopter of it; but I prefer to fly in pancake mode and the Tobii is the next best thing to VR, without wearing a headset.
@Huddison Absolutely, I'm the same, I've actually worked in VR venues for the past 5 years and had a play with some of the PC ones and mobile ones. It's amazing to witness the sim in VR with a good resolution and POV, but you definitely need a PC VR headset with great specs to really appreciate it. And like you said, it's sitting there wearing a VR set for extended periods.
I love my tobii, I had track 5 but the camera was a bit flimsy and the clip was annoying. Just me I suppose but the Tobii took all the stress out of using it. Thanks for the tip about sensitivities.
I just got mine a week ago, and while I do like it very much, I can't figure out how I am misconfiguring it, but I cannot figure out how to make it zoom in when I lean in to the screen.
i'm hoping they do a decent black friday sale it seems great been waiting on getting one but its just to much money for a extra £150 more you could get okish vr headset most im willing to pay is £220. £279 is just far too much hopefully it comes down to less than £240 on black friday deal.
It works very well, my only gripe is no ability to pause, unlike trackir. The only way to pause it is switch it off, then the view returns to default cockpit view, very unhelpful if the pause was needed for viewing say the FMS CDU. Great for GA, not so for tube flying imho.
@@Huddison cheers buddy, and as ever a first class video, I’ve done some digging but haven’t found anything or even any plans to build in a pause feature, which is a shame.
@@gavinblackford4219 yes you’re quite correct, I have those key binds set on the HC Alpha, however, there is no ability to pause on a view of one’s choice.
There is a widget if you have Flow Pro that will let you pause it. I use it (the pause) when I am doing lots of in-the-cockpit setting up for a flight.
Wouldn't be without mine now, as for the cost if you compare with a vr headset and gpu to run vr, the cost is far less.. I am just not interested in vr so this is the best option, also nothing wrong with trackir, tobii is just spot on for flight sim.
Spot on Shaun. VR has it's place: total immersion in the SIm etc; but I prefer to be able to see my flight controls and panels, so this is the next best thing.
I might have to get one of these. I have an Oculus Quest 2 but I find setting it up, plugging in a cable, putting it on etc a total faff. This looks way better.
Like a not insignificant number of other people, I have a lazy eye - that is, when my right (dominant) eye is looking straight ahead, my left eye is looking somewhere off to the left. (I don't see in 3D because of this. My eyes can't focus on the same object at the same time to provide the necessary parallax.) I wonder how the Tobii would know which of my eyes to follow?
Great review - How does Tobii work in DCS, what about hitting the buttons with the mouse? I have the Delanclip and I found it super annoying that it has to sit on my headset and the rendering on the screen is very choppy, I have a hard time hitting the buttons. I have now switched to a free version where you only use your webcam, it works just as badly as Delanclip, but I got rid of wearing my headset (AiTrack together with Opentrack) which I would recommend to everyone, no one difference compared to Delanclip, which costs money.
Do you notice any major improvements in your general flying. ie flying circuits, turning base, final etc ? It must help with perspective and positional awareness somewhat ?
I run 43 inch triples ...Track IR stopped working ...I think I got a "knock-off". It was hard to position the receiver on the huge displays & I was constantly hitting the headphone attachment requiring a recalibration. This looks like a far better system. ...thanks
Great video! Love your style. I did try Track IR 5 about a year ago. The issue I had, was using it "bright" conditions (sunlight with windows around me) did not play well with the IR interface. At night it was fine, but during the day it was hit and miss and overall, I just said, "forget it" and sold it. How would this do in a situation like that?
Thanks Eddie. I use a button on my flight yoke to turn on and off tracking. Search by name in Controls Options 'Toggle Head tracking' and set a button to start/stop head tracking.
If you're using a Thrustmaster Joystick or even the Thrustmaster Boeing 787 Yoke and it's Coonected to you Desk, will that Yoke or Joystick interfere with the Tobee being able to Read your Eye and Head Movements? And if those Devices do cause interference, How do you get around that problem? If you have to Raise your Monitor, how much higher? 🤔
Just make sure the Tobii is in clear line of sight with your eyes. I have my monitor raised on a small box (as shown in this video), because I have the Logtiech Radio & Multi panel fixed atop of my XPC yoke.
that price is too much for me, the best value for money head tracking is open track with AI track. its definitely not as smooth and struggles with leaning forward but for the price of a webcam you get deaccent head tracking. cost me £10.
James: Are you actually using the Tobii most of the time now? Or have you put it aside? Also, how does it work when looking down, such as changing fuel tanks settings?
@@Huddison Okay, I bought it and installed it. Very enjoyable and I appreciate your recommendation. One question: How do you set up the keyboard toggle to turn it on and off?
I chucked mine, only because I have honeycombs, bunch of panels and didnt have much use if you're looking at those deivces to control radios, auto pilot, etc.
@@Huddison yeah tbh I never tried it with VFR flying always in the airliners. Just got real twitchy when trying to look up at the overhead. But hey, works for some doesn't for others.
I wonder why my comment was removed from this video. Was it for I being honest in my opinion? Again, I like this video and I’d love to have one of these, but I wouldn’t forgive myself for paying $299 for it. It’s too steep.
Yes. Here's a quote from Tobii's webpage 'Tobii Eye Tracker 5L can be mounted on any screen or monitor, including built-in displays on laptops as well as curved monitors.' It also works fine on my own gaming laptop.
Great video, thanks for sharing. Can it be used on a large screen TV for lazy ass armchair pilots and, will it work in darkened rooms or does the room have to be fully lit? How far do you have to turn your head lets say to see out the RHS cockpit window in relation to still being able to see the screen?
There's a limit on the screen size that the Tobii will work with. You're best contacting Tobii directly regarding this. You only need turn your head slightly (10 degrees or so), to look out of the left and right cockpit windows.
The room doesn’t have to be lit … the unit is sending out its own invisible light to illuminate you. It also works even if there’s sunlight behind you, and if you are wearing glasses. In most supported games, the amount you need to turn your head can be adjusted to your liking. There are limitations on the monitor size and your distance from the tracker, but I’ve seen multiple people using Tobii successfully when they are a bit outside of those recommendations. I love mine, especially now that I also bought FaceTrackNoIR which has a Tobii input plugin, allowing me to use it in a wider variety of games.
Lol u could have had mine for nothing, VR is so much better (for me), works once on a clean system then cant find it the next time! Customs phoned me after it arrived wanting payment on it,was cursed from the start! To u half price! ;)
Just wasted a whole load of money on it, may be ok for flight sims but not for FS22 which I use alot. I watched FarmSim Guy,s review on it and what an unreliable, dishonest streamer he is, he said it was brilliant, huh. NO WAY.
Yes, the FS22 internal implementation for the Tobii is really bad … that’s one of the only games where I’ve had problems with it, though. The TrackIR implementation in FS22 is better from what I’ve seen, and if you are willing to spend a couple of extra bucks on the FaceTrackNoIR software to act as a front end for the Tobii and then have it output TrackIR info to FS22, that could potentially work a whole lot better, I suspect. At least that’s what I intend to test one of these days when I get back to some virtual farming.
Thank you as always great review . I have a Samsung 49in Monitor UK0309926346 I was told by Tobii that it only supports up to 32in I would love this . Has anyone tried it on a large screen . Thank you all
@@TheFalconJetDriver from Tobbi Oscar (Tobii Eye Tracking) Jun 12, 2023, 02:53 GMT+2 Hi, Thanks for contacting us. Our recommending screen size is 15" to 27" [16:9] or 30" [21:9]*. If you would like to use it on the monitor larger than this, the eye tracking part will be unstable, especially at edges and corners. However, the head tracking part will not be affected. And it works fine in our office computer.
