Agreed really hope they add the question mark to all cars. It’s obviously possible 😂 Edit: That Cybertruck is a big boy and it uses every square inch of space it has. I would for sure have to build up a trust with it fitting in a lane like that.
I've got an UPL in my neighborhood. When it is rush hour, I reroute myself to avoid the UPL because I don't want to wait a long time for traffic to give me a hole. That should be a "next level" of FSD at some point in the future.
Chuck, I think your judgment was exactly right. I just hope Tesla is watching your videos to learn what you are experiencing. When I get a Cybertruck I think I am going to manually drive these tough intersections until FSD has more mileage under its belt and I can trust it 100%. Trusting it 90% just isn’t good enough for an unprotected left turn like you have there. Thanks for making your videos!!!!
@@mrneveryoumind I didn’t say it’s ideal to hesitate, no idea why you’d feel the need to say this. That said, many people make safety claims without data. Can you provide data, please?
Good video, Chuck. I’ve also seen hesitation on 12.5.4 for a typical unprotected left. I disengaged, and sent voice notes and emails to the FSD Team. Seems a little better since then.
What I like is that it goes into the center but then does it's final slow creep to get it's back out of the lane. Too many of hte previous videos it kept it's tail out which I think was the wrong behavior and the slow creep of doing it also allows the oncoming drivers to know you aren't just going to rocket into their lane
Hey chuck your doing a great Job and btw you were right to stop when that big rig semi went bye it definately needs a boost when entering into that left lane from the median
I definitely could see you clenching on the first disengagement against the Semi-truck, but I think CT was going to stop. 😅 It seems like CT FSD needs more fine-tuning for its turns due to its size and unique geometry. You are collecting valuable data for this early release. Happy Birthday sir. I hope you have a good time and I wish you many more to come. 🎉👍🏾
I have seen hesitation from a stop on 12.5.4 (MYP). Car just would not move without some pedal. I don't recall such in the recent past. Thanks for all your tests and worries! Stay safe.
For Tesla staff.... Regarding the big truck, it might help driver comfort level if a creep-limit was displayed at the median strip. So a few seconds earlier you can be confident to know where it will stop. Or maybe at that hectic time your focus is not on the screen? Maybe also a red path predictor in front of the truck might give a driver confidence about how ego is considering the situation.
Good call on taking over this early in the cycle for Cybertruck and particularly so given the warnings in the release notes! 👍🏻 Early 12.2 and 12.3 had an issue where it would hesitate to proceed when there was no traffic at stop signs. Saw this with 12.5.4 recently. May be that it’s not well trained on how to drive with no traffic. I’ll point out that you stress about what could happen if it waited until someone was too close, but that didn’t happen once. No reason to believe it will, you’re just doomsdaying thinking it might. If you go down that rabbit hole, madness ensues. After all, it might do dangerous things at every second.
I think it did really well. Yes, it could be more confident in the median but maybe it's not bad if it's extra cautious given that it's such a big truck!
Did pretty good. The hesitation in the median after the traffic from the right has cleared is something the Tesla team will need to work on. Maybe it thinks the middle lane cars might switch to the left lane at the last second or who knows?
I like the question mark, but not the hesitation. Also, hopefully one day, we can have a Chuck Mode just like Joe Mode, where the car braves the UPL only if Chuck Mode is selected.
Happy birthday Chuck. Cybertruck seems to have learned quite a bit from its older brothers and sisters, but there's still some baby fat showing -- the Cybertruck-specific training time. Just an impression.
Thought it did amazing, it stopped perfectly in medium, just a bit slow pulling out. If it did go slowly waiting for that car to go that's a different level.
happy belated birthday! Hey Chuck, a couple things I keep running into: braking way too late for stop signs, stop lights, and roundabouts. I have had it rapidly shake its wheels in roundabouts as well as its unsure of its position. I have had 2 critical disengagements with failing to yield at roundabouts, which is combined with way too fast entry. I have encountered the same issue of not moving when it should after stops. I suppose it's good that it's being cautious, as we don't need it to get into an accident.
Another great video Chuck, thank you and belated Happy Birthday! The delay to taking off at junctions is still something I experience in my Model S. Not sure why you don't see it on your Model Y.
I was wondering when Chuck will post unprotected left turns on the CT and right on time. Thanks, apart for the lags before taking off from the median, it did a great job
I wont lie it takes balls to do this. But, when the CT went for the median it had a very good angle most of the time. IDK if I would trust it either yet but great job tesla team!
Courageous work, Chuck. Also, being in Florida I doubt you will ever encounter this but I have found that ASS (12.5.4 HW3) doesn't work on inclines. Even on a gentle slope, it gives a message saying "too steep" and stops.
Great video as always Chuck. Happy belated birthday as well. Suggestion on future videos where things are questionable during your testing. Maybe add some commentary at the end of the video once you've had a chance to review video footage where things were questionable.
What I think the Cybertruck's FSD is missing is a heads-up display that shows what the car is thinking. Like, a big yellow "WAITING" on the screen while it's waiting for traffic to clear, and then a green "FOLLOWING" right before it goes. I think that would make drivers feel a lot more comfortable, knowing what the car's gonna do next. Great video, thanks Chuck and Happy Birthday. Congrats from Brazil.
The occupancy grid updates + path planning updates appear to be running at a lower frame rate than in previous FSD versions. It could be an indication that 12.5.5 is doing longer-distance path planning, which takes more compute. This would be a pre-requisite for end-to-end city + highway driving. All that is to say that pauses at green lights and hesitation when pulling out could be caused by this reduced frame rate due to more computationally intensive path planning
It is absolutely nailing the question mark an median position. I really feel it would be helpful if the screen displayed its intent. What happened to the blue wall to show the creep limit? This would be helpful for the median as well.
Hesitation is not good. But waiting an extra couple of seconds in the median, in a safe spot, is perfectly fine.. Remember end goal is to get you to your destination safely.. Not to perfectly mimic human (impatient) drivers 😉
Great video! I noticed you gave a stressed “uhhhh”/“uggghhh” on almost every creep after the NHTSA stop, but looking from overhead camera, you were never close to other cars. You were at the edge of the cross walk. I wonder if the shape of the car makes it difficult to tell how far forward you are.
Yeah, in general it seems that Chuck thinks the front of the Cybertruck sticks out much farther than it actually does. Every time he was worried about the front of his truck being too far forward in the median, the front has plenty of room but the back is either in the lane or right at the edge of the lane. In his mind he seems to think that the CT has a hood as large as any other truck / SUV / car beyond the end of the windshield, but the CT actually has a VERY SHORT hood beyond the end of the windshield.
1:54 I think it didn't start creeping, because it thought it can go, but it creeped to make more room for the other truck which tried to squeeze past you. :)
I think FSD would have stopped for the truck. But it’s nerve racking nonetheless. This highlights how low the tolerance it needs to be for FSD to really work. Still much more training is needed.
Waymo can't do anything like this. The space in the median is fantastic for the size of this vehicle. Your overhead cameras show there is good space behind and in the front of the vehicle, no danger at all
I think you need to drive the Cybertruck more so that you can get a better feel for it’s size. It took me awhile to get comfortable with it’s size and whenever I get in the 3 I am amazed at how small it is in traffic.
7:29 I think it was waiting to be certain the (somewhat distant) oncoming car was in the middle and not the inner/left lane, before rolling into the merge. Since that car did pass you, if it had been in the left lane, it probably would have been cut off and force to slow unless FSD committed with pretty hard acceleration to stay out ahead of it.
Couple of things I think happened. 1. Where the semi was super close while you were waiting in the median. I think cyber truck failed to do a full ? because of the other car to your side at the stop sign. 2. I wonder if it's failing to move from the median location because the ? position is not able to see the oncoming traffic via the b pillar camera as it's in a more diagonal relative to the flow.
It seemed to line up pretty well in the median. The pause is curious. Have you noticed there's now a 1-2 second pause when traffic lights turn green also? It wasn't there before. I bet they did that for safety: in case anyone might be speeding and running the light on the cross street. Wonder if the go-pause could be related to that (like it crept in as a result of that added pause)?
It's telling how Chuck reacts every time any of his cars go into the median. He's been doing this test for how long now? I think he has been traumatized by FSD. Proves that robots can't and never will be able to drive better than a human.
It did MUCH less of a question mark curve on the second run (where you had the truck you felt you might hit) so it didn't have nearly as much room. I think the car to its right that was trying to go around you reduced its turning to the right.
The Cybertruck was hesitant in the medium before it turned left probably because it was waiting to ascertain the intention of the vehicles in the middle and right lanes. I can see that it started to turn as the vehicles in the middle lane got closer because at that moment FSD was sure those vehicles would not change lane. I would probably the same if I were the driver. I think that is a good behaviour.
The way it does the exaggerated question mark even when it’s open on both sides kinda suggests something to me. I want to see what it does with openings but a car already in the median taking up some of the space.
I don’t think the hesitation is a big deal as long as it’s not pulling in front of someone too late. I wonder if it can’t gauge the speed accurately until the car gets closer and if that will improve when FSD can take advantage of HW4 camera resolution.
I'm rerouting still as have a huge UPLT from a small road onto highway 71 in TX, 4 lanes, going 75+mph, with hills, random gaps, and folks that can come from across the freeway too straight even. Not ready to trust it on that one yet as my basic 20 minute route into town has 4-5+ disengagement for safety for basic lane keep, turning onto shoulders, entering wrong way traffic, etc. It's a cool tech but my experience is way different where I am. I'd be dead by now if let it alone for any of my drives.
When you make sounds it's because FSD did something wrong, you don't have to apologize for FSD :) its training set is likely somewhat unique to it so it will have a bit different behavior. It makes pronounced question mark turns which the others didn't. Good camera on the display. If you gain it up to where white is white in the editor then it will look closer to a capture. If you want to overkill you can make a vignet mask so the edges have same illumination so it's even and will look very much like a capture but really not necessary.
Hey Chuck. once the CT does the question mark and you stop in the median, how much room in front and behind would you estimate you have as a buffer. How comfortable is it to do without FSD for positionioning? Tight spot for sure. I'd love to see a camera view set up on the left hand median to see just how close cars are getting in front and behind when they pass the bumpers. Happy Birthday Man!
Having a system that clearly doesn't work properly is a danger to you and to other motorists. Whilst you might be aware of its deficiencies, thus saving you from killing people, not everybody is.
