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FUJIFILM X100V vs LEICA Q - Ultimate Comparison 

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Hi All,
In todays video I compare the Fujifilm X100V and the Leica Q, I've called it the ultimate comparison as I've tried to include a bit of everything in this video as you can see from the long list of time stamps below!
00:00 - Introduction
01:32 - Build Quality
02:40 - Custom Buttons
03:21 - Unique Features
04:56 - Lenses
06:09 - Macro
07:29 - Portraits
08:20 - Stabilisation
09:05 - Auto-focus
10:49 - ISO Performance
11:47 - JPEG Outputs
14:36 - Video Features
15:12 - Phone Apps
17:16 - Conclusion
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@chingwa888
@chingwa888 Год назад
Great video and fair comments on the pros and cons of each. I have the X100F and recently bought the Leica Q2. I absolutely love the Leica, I probably will never use the Fuji again, but I completely understand everyone has different circumstances both financial and photographic so what's right for one may not be right for someone else. The Leica Q2 certainly isn't 3 times better but it is 3 times the cost, so I agree the Fuji represents better value for sure. Just a minor tip - you put the Leica pics on the right and Fuji on the left for the entire video which helped a lot to know which was which without having to read the labels. It is a MINOR point but you then switched for the "back home" part of the video and all the Leica comments were on the left and Fuji on the right. Would be great to keep that consistency but perhaps just my half century old brain finding it hard to process.
@SYNTHENSIS
@SYNTHENSIS Год назад
Send me the x100F
@savrah
@savrah 11 месяцев назад
Same here have 100f but q3 next level.
@wasabiginger6993
@wasabiginger6993 Год назад
Excellent comparison and so helpful for those attempting to decide which one. I would want both. Love the Fuji color (that some claim looks fake, which can see) … while I love the depth of field via Q is so above and beyond! I have listened to several other videos that compare these and find it so fascinating how we are each so unique expressed when reviewing these two cameras. Hope you get to review the Q2 soon! Hear lots of improvements were made with upgrades.
@esprit853okg
@esprit853okg Год назад
Love your comparison. I started out as a film shooter in the 70s with my trusty Olympus OM10 (which I still have) and didn't venture into digital until the start of 2013. This new age of photography has brought a plethora of models to choose from. Given that there's no such thing as the perfect camera everything comes down to compromise. I'm still an Olympus (digital) shooter but fell in love with the retro feel of the X100V. This is my everyday out and about camera. Fixed lens, leaf shutter, weathersealed, analogue controls, here when I need it, invisible when I don't. For my style of photography this is the perfect camera which I hope will be my faithful companion for many years to come. Keep up the great videos.
@normanlefkowitz5197
@normanlefkowitz5197 Год назад
He covers the subject from every angle of concern. I happily subscribed.
@ZTEARS333
@ZTEARS333 Год назад
Thanks a lot my man. This video is exactly what I was looking for
@normm7764
@normm7764 Год назад
Thanks for a great review. I own the X100V and a Q2 mono. As an older film shooter, I love the simplicity and build quality of the Q2. Also, the Q2 lens has a depth of field scale - something I use a lot, but is rarely commented upon. Please, please other makers, bring back the D o F scale.
@adrianemikko
@adrianemikko Год назад
As a film shooter expanding to Fuji system, I miss the focus scales on the lenses and the feel of manual focusing in general
@normm7764
@normm7764 Год назад
@@adrianemikko I think you have only two choices: 1. Go with Leica - which is good but stupid expensive. 2 See if you can get a lens adapter and use vintage glass. I am about to try putting vintage Nikon lenses on a Canon DSLR body, if the lenses are good, this may be the best way for you..
@SourPlanet
@SourPlanet 7 месяцев назад
Depth of Field scale doesn't work with conventional mirrorless lens design. It's focus by wire, no hard stops. That's what makes the Q so special. It's Leicas little magic trick. A true DOF scale with hard stops and accurate markers.. but an autofocus mode too. Then they went wild and added a mechanical macro conversion too. Truly special piece of glass. The only other way to get this functionality is with the TechArt M to E adapter. It adds Autofocus to M glass for E bodies. Then you can toggle manual focus on the camera. It's not nearly as reliable or smooth as the Q... But it does offer access interchangeable lenses with the true manual + true AF experience.
@SourPlanet
@SourPlanet 7 месяцев назад
Comparing the Q and X100v has always been kinda weird to me. The lens and processor combo between the two is absolutely worlds apart. What Leica did with the Q lens warrants the price tag alone, straight up. Autofocus, actual proper zone focus experience, and mechanical macro.. all tied to legendary Leica glass? Then they just attach it to an M level body with a brilliant full frame sensor too. Fuji has some nice tricks but the quality can't even begin to compare.
@luxdalet
@luxdalet Год назад
Awesome video comparison! Possibly the best I have seen so far for these cameras. I agree with about everything stated on the X100V. Although autofocus and video are quite lacking, it's my all time favorite camera. If time and money allows, eventually maybe I will try out a Leica. I need to make special mention to the epic video production mate! All of the hype you raised on instagram coming up to it was no joke :) Awesome work! The nature takes with natural background sounds, and the cool transitions for the camera comparisons were perfect. Cheers!
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Thank you for the support mate! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@wasabiginger6993
@wasabiginger6993 Год назад
yes and makes it look deceptively easy
@jahzzii7
@jahzzii7 Год назад
What a nice review! Just like the old good times!
@justamanwithanopinion
@justamanwithanopinion Год назад
I ditched my Sony DSLR for an X100V last year. Just this week, I sold the Fuji for a Q2M. I adore the X100V and will miss it greatly but the Leica is a real step up in terms of image quality. Pound for pound, though, the X100V comes out on top. It's so easy and delightful to use.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I’d love to try the Q2M!!
@2-da3333
@2-da3333 Год назад
The Q wins hands down; one look at the raw files, and you will never look away. One thing only I like in the x100v better is the built-in flash.
@hempstead.studio
@hempstead.studio Год назад
This was a very good & thought out video
@jameslenney
@jameslenney Год назад
I have both and wow, are they different! So good at totally different things.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel
really good comparison. I really wonder why youtube never suggested your channel to me.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Weird how it works out isn’t it! It was your recipe one that got me started on your channel!
@Nigel-nar53
@Nigel-nar53 Год назад
Due to eye sight problems I recently sold my lovely old M8 & all my M mount lenses. Having watched your comparison video I'm convinced that I need (want) a Q, now it's a case of tracking down the right Q for me. Oh & I used to own an X100S which I didn't get along with & even though I'm a Fuji fan boy I know they're not for me. Cheers.... 👍
@travelrecordmusic8265
@travelrecordmusic8265 Год назад
A very interesting and reassuring video. I bought an X100V about 9 months ago after many years on a Sony RX100 MkIII. I love it, it makes me want to go out and take photos. I’ve never used a Leica but I’ve always been curious. I appreciate high end equipment, and the people I bought the X100V from said they were selling it because they have Leicas and hardly use the X100V. Naturally I’m curious, but this video really put it into perspective for me. I can be happy with the X100V, I think it’s the better all-rounder and I only want one camera. Thanks!
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
It’s an amazing for sure! I can’t bring myself to sell it! For the price to it can’t be beaten
@caerphoto
@caerphoto Год назад
I have a tip for anyone struggling with the Fuji phone app connecting: the trick is to connect to the camera BEFORE opening the app. In other words, the whole procedure is: 1. Turn on wifi on the camera. 2. Go to phone settings and connect to the camera’s wifi network. 3. Open Fuji app; it should then go straight to the import page without any hassle. Doing it this way, I’ve had practically 100% success rate, and it seems quicker than opening the app then connecting when it asks. It might even work just as well for other manufacturers’ apps.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Great tips! I think the other step that I have found that some people miss; and tbh I don’t think I had to do in the past but I do now, is during the connecting process select “ok” on the camera
@duesenbeat
@duesenbeat Год назад
Just use bluetooth and the connection will even work without touching the camera when its turned on. You just need to open the app, press connect, and you can transfer the images you like.
@caerphoto
@caerphoto Год назад
@@duesenbeat that’s my point though, even using Bluetooth (at least on my Ricoh GR3; my XT2 is too old to have it) it’s more reliable to connect before opening the app.
@marcelfraij
@marcelfraij Год назад
This has been my setting also. Works al the time. I have bluetooth switched off.
@jazzfan7491
@jazzfan7491 Год назад
by the way, a quick way to turn wi-fi on on the camera: hit the playback button on the rear, when you’re sure the camera is in “review pics” mode, hit the function button on top of the camera, right next to the shutter release button. then go to settings on phone and connect to the camera’s wi-fi, then open the app on the phone…
@ljac_1314
@ljac_1314 Год назад
finally a good comparison between these two :)
@JohnPatrickWeiss
@JohnPatrickWeiss Год назад
I paid for a X100V recently and now just waiting for new stock arrivals here is the USA. It’s the perfect all around camera, lovely macro shots, small, great for travel, etc. I am a minimalist, so one camera and a fixed 35mm equivalent lens is great-no juggling different lenses. And I believe you can adjust the x100 for 50mm and 70mm. Anyway, great review, thanks!
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
If you do fancy other focal lengths down the line, the adapter lenses are very good! For 28mm and 50mm
@NorthOz
@NorthOz Год назад
11:58 Really missed an opportunity to say “I’m really on the fence” 😂 Awesome video mate! As x100V owner I’m always looking at how the Leica’s compare. This video was a lot of fun. Mark from Australia 🇦🇺
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Ahahah! 😂 such a missed one! Glad you enjoyed!
@NorthOz
@NorthOz Год назад
@@Goughie loving the channel mate! Keep up the good work 😃
@thomasgoetze
@thomasgoetze Год назад
Well, that's a great comparison. Thank you. As an owner of a Q I often asked myself, was the Fuji maybe better for me? Now I know: Nope. First, the Q offers great pictures out of the box. The Fuji has a lot of personalization abilities, much more knobs, and you can change whatever you want. But hey, I don't want to find features in a deep menu structure to get a warmer result, or whatever it takes to get a mean result at all. In fact, the Q is my favorite because the camera is simple. I don't have to make decisions while shooting. The Q is fast and reliable on location with perfect picture results. So, less (custom buttons) is more! Stabilization is important for me because above ISO 6400 the quality isn't good enough for me. The Macro is fine for me. For die hard Fuji fanboys: There is one flaw which is inexcusable on a camera like the Q. A 3 way switch sets the camera off, single shot and continuous shot. You guess it: In a lot of situations, you switch from off to continuous shot without meaning. A no-go for a brand like Leica. They fixed it on the Q2. When it comes to retouching, the RAW files of the Q are very deep. Deeper than the ones from my A7RM3. In RAW, the Q offers you a picture which is cropped to 28 mm, with a frame around that looks like the lens is in fact a 26 or 25 mm full frame. That often saves my ass when it comes to street shots. To get the Fuji Film look, I use film simulations in Capture One. I'm not sure if the quality of the presets meets the one in camera simulation. But for me, as a former Mamiya 645 user with a long love for Velvia and Astia, it does the deal. Again, thank you for that detailed comparison. In Germany, you can buy a used Leica Q (TYP 116) for €2300 (about £2065) and a Fuji X100V for €1800 (about £1620). I bought my Q in 2019 with 4 batteries, the original hand grip, a leather half case and some more. I paid £1795 which is a bargain for this stunning gem 😎
@4Kandlez
@4Kandlez Год назад
Once you've set the Fuji how you like it you don't have to go into the menus again, and you don't need to use custom buttons at all if you don't want to. The exposure controls are all external dials just like the Q. The authentic Fuji film simulations in Capture One are only available to raw files from Fuji cameras although you can get third party imitations
@lensman5762
@lensman5762 Год назад
Outright, the Leica is in a different league. The caveat is the price which is the deciding factor for the majority of people. As for buttons and menu, I think you have got the Leica wrong. Leica philosophy has always concentrated on photography, Fuji like all other Japanese cameras, tries to give you more features and extended menus, I find this undesirable and distracting.
@matttfletcher
@matttfletcher Год назад
Fantastic comparison, subscribed! I'm looking at selling my X100V (have the original and the X100F) but got an offer to buy a used Q at a good price. Those portraits look beautiful with the Leica.
@TungstenOvergaard
@TungstenOvergaard Год назад
Superb video. In my case, lot of love for X100V
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Such great little cameras!
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Have you ever tried a Leica Q?
@leemartin2978
@leemartin2978 Год назад
Tilting screen is a big plus with the Fuji along with the optical viewfinder. If they added these to the Leica, almost no chance re the optical finder and so far the Leica Q2 hasn’t gained a tilting screen , then maybe I’d smash the piggy bank for a Q for the extra focal length and full frame
@mvonwalter6927
@mvonwalter6927 Год назад
The OVF advantage is significant for me. Being able to see the immediate framing options just makes my compositions better without even really thinking about it. The 28mm Summilux for portraits though......
@thisisbenji90
@thisisbenji90 Год назад
I guess, but the OVF on the X100V is actually kind of challenging to use. It's impossible to manual focus with and if you autofocus you're constantly battling it changing where the frame lines are as it compensates for parallax.
@mvonwalter6927
@mvonwalter6927 Год назад
@@thisisbenji90 Yeah your not wrong. With a Leica M you sort of have to get in the basic ballpark before you can adjust the composition. So with the X100/Xpro cameras I always focused twice. Focus, recompose, focus again for critical sharpness. At least with the Leica M the RF patch didnt jump around and you were darn sure you had the right point in focus.
@peter-jac4143
@peter-jac4143 Год назад
Hello Cauchie,thanks so much for this sublime review.Actually I still lean to the q2.I like simplicity, I prefer to shoot in raw and do the postproduction in Capture One.Fuji made a circus with all the possibilities in settings.😉what are your thoughts about the LX100II ? Warm regards & happy holidays from The Netherlands 🤩🎄🤩
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I think the harsh reality is I don’t use either anymore and predominantly shoot with the M10 😂 never tried the LX100II so I can’t really comment
@TheDanielHandojo
@TheDanielHandojo Год назад
Spot on review! I personally owned the Q and the x100f (sold it to fund my m10). I always find that the fuji x100 series is perfect for when i want to experiment with color jpegs as there are tons of good recipes (if you want to spend more time like you said). Then the Q is more if i want to go more with a ‘simplistic’ approach while keeping things look ‘more professional’ if that make sense. Keeping the Q though for its 28mm lens summilux.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Thank you! I agree with all How are you finding the M10, that was always a consideration when initially putting the M240 up for sale!
@TheDanielHandojo
@TheDanielHandojo Год назад
@@Goughie i initally sold the x100f to fund the m240. had it for 2 weeks and i just didnt like how slow it was to turn on and load after taking every pictures. so i sold it and bought the m10. so far so good. one thing i noticed is that the AWB leans more towards the cooler side and the battery's not as good as the m240
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
@@Goughie One of the reasons to upgrade from an M240 to an M10/10P is definitely how the cameras behave over 800 ISO. The buffer and the speed of writing on the Sd card are also considerations. Finally, even if it's just cosmetics, going back to the size of the M6 is something I was waiting for. I still love the color rendition of the sensor of the M240, less saturated than the sensor of the M10/10P that betrays its Japanese (SONY) provenance.
@user-gl9bj1zc9o
@user-gl9bj1zc9o 5 месяцев назад
Hi Goughie, your review was excellent, many thanks. I am very interested in both cameras and will buy one or the other to be my only camera. I have found one of each, both in good condition for the same money. Which would you get (I am guessing the Q)?
@jessedt9837
@jessedt9837 Год назад
Thanks for comparison. Definitely keeping my X100v, after considering the Leica. FYI, my wife thanks you too : )
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
😂😂
@wreford07
@wreford07 Год назад
Great video thanks. I wonder if the wide angle adapter on the Fuji will degrade the image quality, thus making it not quite fair?
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Tbh I think this video ended up having mainly 35mm in it from memory and glancing at the labels throughout, but for what it’s worthy I can’t see any degradation in quality when using the adapter
@ryanprosser2502
@ryanprosser2502 Год назад
Great video! I’ve owned both also. Loved the Leica Q, built like a tank and machined to perfection, I love how the lens hood screws to the exact correct point even! always felt at home with 28mm, however, I took a lot of pics at 6400+ iso and it really showed it’s age. I sold it on and I miss it, but, I think I only miss it because it was a “Leica” and I’ll probably not have one again (or at least in a good while). I used the 2k to buy a Fuji x100v and a nice every day watch. It was great to have that much cash left over and the Fuji is really, genuinely, lovely. I’m no stranger to Fuji, and have owned 8 different cameras by them. I know their strengths and their weaknesses. It feels very solid, reliable, and just seems to give me something good, every time. The Leica was and is special, if you use it, you’ll likely not want to give it away easily. Even the contrast only AF, which should be a weakness, isn’t. But I get great shots with the Fuji, it’s better at higher ISO’s, the colours are wonderful and it’s got a better AF system. All that and I had about £800 left over for the watch. No regrets.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Thank you! I know what you mean about missing the Leica, I do miss my M240 a little but there’s no really rationality behind it, I love a good watch too, can I be nosey and ask what you went for?
@ryanprosser2502
@ryanprosser2502 Год назад
@@Goughie yup, it’s that Leica fairy dust, completely irrational but totally real. be as nosey as you want! I went for a Tissot “gentleman” in green and still had spare cash to pimp the Fuji with a nice strap, a square lens hood and some other treats. Although it was a close call between the Tissot and a Christopher ward c63 sealander (again, in green)…..still covet that one a bit!
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
@@ryanprosser2502 very nice choice! Such a good automatic watch in that price bracket! Like how they have kept it slim!
@ryanprosser2502
@ryanprosser2502 Год назад
@@Goughie the movement is pretty special also, huge power reserve and a decent beat rate, it essentially runs to cosc certification also! Can be found in some other models of theirs too!
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
I would disagree about the AF systems, the AF on my Q is far more satisfactory that the one on the X100 V (which has a tendency not to want to focus sometimes).
@aquaticlibrary
@aquaticlibrary Год назад
The fact that there is comparison says enough for me considering how drastic the price differences are
@Blah-blah-sure
@Blah-blah-sure 5 месяцев назад
Laughs, I agree. I’m going to guess that the Leica Q’s build material is the only real noticeable difference
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
I have owned and used both of these cameras (Leica Q and Fuji X100 5 (V) ;o). Frankly if I have to pick one of them, I pick the Leica just for comfort (better built), a little bigger which means the controls are easier to access while still keeping one's eye to the viewfinder, the Leica AF is really better than the Fuji V's (I have missed pictures because of it; sometimes it goes back and forth without stopping), better "real" colors with no nonsense JPG (which emulate the known color deficiencies of film? ;o). In terms of control/functions the Leica Q gives you everything that a photographer needs Aperture, Shutter Speed, ISO and White Balance (yes you forgot to mention the FN button at the back, left of the LCD screen). All the best.
@jonnothin
@jonnothin Год назад
Great comparison. Just wondering, considering they are so close, if 28mm is your favorite why not keep the Q? Seem like that would be the biggest deciding factor. It’s the reason I might sell my Q and go back to the X100 series as I love 35mm
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I think I touch on it towards the end, it does come down to cost for me, I have other cameras I’d like to buy and the £2k I’ll get for the Q gives me a lot to play with, if they were equally priced then I would keep the Q mainly due to the lens on the front. If you couldn’t easily adapt the X100V then maybe that would have swayed me too
@mistergonzom
@mistergonzom Год назад
x100V here, happy as a puppy
@tobe144
@tobe144 Год назад
Nice content, you seem like a nice guy goughie ! I'm gonna keep my black X100V forever, absolutely in love with it. One thing I noticed while watching this video was how beautiful the WCL converter looks on the camera. I "only" have the TCL Teleconverter which is ridiculously large and completely changes the feel of the X100V..not in a good way. Anyway, greetings from Northern Germany :)
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Cheers! I don’t mind the WCL too much, definitely adds some size to it though! The TCL is a little crazy isn’t it!
@planetdee3587
@planetdee3587 Год назад
I really want the X100V
@MarcWynter
@MarcWynter Год назад
Good comparison video Goughie. One note on the macro functionality about the X100V: Although you can forget to turn back and forth between macro on the Q, one thing that can catch you off guard with the X100V is if you've focused closed for macro mode and quickly turn around and try to focus on something further, I've seen the lens hunt trying to get out of that min focus distance. So really going and and out of macro on either camera can be inconvenient at times.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Good shout!
@marcelfraij
@marcelfraij Год назад
always shour in MF-manual focus when you do macro.
@veryjr2966
@veryjr2966 Год назад
Thx for the comparison ! Two things I’d like to add- manual focus on the Q including zone focusing is a HUGE benefit when it comes to street photography. By contrast, manual focus by wire on the X100V is a pain in the backside. YES you can manually focus the x100v but it takes training and you are less quick which means potentially missing opps in the street. Also a general comment on focal length - the 35mm (x100v’s FF equivalent) is very different from 28mm and I believe it comes down to the question “what do you feel most comfortable with?” The “cult” for either of those cameras often disregards this aspect. You have to chose the camera which suits your needs - as opposed to adjusting your style to the camera’s specs. Just my 2 cents… Cheers, Jens
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
When editing I did realise I’d missed the Q focusing as a feature, I like how they have build the button into the focus tab to, very seamless
@CarmaComa
@CarmaComa Год назад
@@Goughie +1 for the manual focusing setup
@pancakelens75
@pancakelens75 Год назад
VERY good point! I was planning on picking up an X100v, but zone focusing when shooting film, especially street, is HUGE!
@gugob22
@gugob22 Год назад
leaf shutter + flash in daylight is EPIC
@jkroemer2685
@jkroemer2685 Год назад
Adds an amazing pop!
@joshk2294
@joshk2294 Год назад
Should compare manual focusing and zone focusing
@erickpro
@erickpro Год назад
Would Love a chance to play with those RAW files side by side.
@kevingermaine6872
@kevingermaine6872 Год назад
Great video. Just out of interest, did you notice that the Q was actually still wider than the x100v with the 28m adaptor? I’ve heard people say that the Q is actually closer to a 26mm focal length. I’m asking because I love that “Leica look “ from the Q series and wanted to get a similar looking lens for my XE4. You’d think that the Fuji 18mm f1.4 would be the ticket, but the Leica actually seems wider, andsomehow doesn’t distort faces like a 24mm does (FF equivalent). I guess that’s just the Leica special sauce?
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Not sure! And I don’t have the Q to go back and test with! Wouldn’t surprise me if true! I wonder if portrait wise it’s that the lens has less distortion from a lens design perspective to looks a little better. I’ve always found 28mm okay for portraits, any wider things get a bit trickier
@nelsonclub7722
@nelsonclub7722 Год назад
We used to have the Fuji GFX50s and a couple of X100V's for our wedding photography - all good - nice - but now we have a couple of Leica SL2 cameras and a Q2 and I have to say its a better combo for the finished album - the black and white conversions are much crisper too - just my thoughts and experience - and also its a lot less of everything to carry around
@georgebarronjr
@georgebarronjr Год назад
I am in the market for this type of camera. Leaning strongly toward the Fuji X100v. Sadly, it is currently unobtainable in the U.S. as is the XE-4 and several of the comparable Sony offerings and many other similar cameras from other makers. The Q2 is available but is now THREE times more than the X100v. I'm still considering it but to be honest the one thing other than price that puts me off from the Q or Q2 is the size of the lens. I'm looking for the most svelt form factor and that lens, in comparison to the body, is quite large.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
It’s the same here in the U.K. I’ve seen them selling pre owned for over retail price, The Q2 is very expensive in comparison isnt it! Yeah the size is pretty different but the weight feels somewhat similar, Having owned both, I’m not sure I really notice the extra lens length much. Prior to owning the Q I assumed I would notice it far more than I do
@markusbuechter3766
@markusbuechter3766 Год назад
Hello George, I owned both the Q2 and the X100V for 2 years. This year I sold the Q2 and kept the X100V. IQ of the Q2 is amazing. But in the end it was the size of the camera which made the difference. For me for it is too bulky for a fixed lens camera. The second reason is the 28mm focal length. It is just not for me.In 9 out of 10 cases when I took the Q2 , I turned around and took my M10 with the 50mm and if needed brought along as well my 21 Super Elmar. I needed a small camera bag anyhow. Different story with the X100V. It is not a Ricoh GR3 but since I am a tall guy it fits in many pockets. Plus I love the tilt screen and the film simulations. So after the the Q2 sat most of the time at home on the shelf I found it a now home.
@BenOutside
@BenOutside Год назад
Excellent video! A very hard decision, on paper that focal length/aperture, and ff sensor on the leica should win, but the fuji is definitely a better all round camera, I'd say wait for fuji to release a new model 🤣
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I agree! For me personally a 28mm Fuji would be ideal!! But I can see why they opt for 35mm!
@jls2975
@jls2975 9 месяцев назад
Many artists love the Q Technician geeks look for something else
@Burritosarebetterthantacos
@Burritosarebetterthantacos Год назад
Ive owned quite a few Fuji's and still have an xpro2and LQ. The Leica Q and Q2 are so much better to me its crazy.My Fujis all had errors and lockups and tons of missed focus but the Leica "knock on wood" hasnt skipped a beat. The film sims are awesome but the quality just isnt there IMO. However, at almost a 1/4 of the price I could live with a x100v.
@oneafi8940
@oneafi8940 Год назад
Every Fuji owner would stop the argument the moment they own the Q. Thats what i did. Bashing the Q just because i had the x100v but the moment i used the Q, I sold the x100v within a day!
@eirikskarstein9964
@eirikskarstein9964 Год назад
looks like the fuji on the portraits is shot with a bit low shutter compared to the leica, but guess it only is resolution/fullframe sharpness
@borisharold
@borisharold Год назад
really great review but I think it s important to add a couple of things for people who would hesitate between the 2 cameras .( I used both ) First and this is so important ; Leica Q and even Q2still , are known to have poor Jpgs but you almost talked about jpg only unfortunately . comparing the raw files would be a different story ..also , Leica Q and Q2 mesure light a bit brighter than other cameras and even than M series . In your exemples , the Q has slightly over exposed shots compared to the fuji . underexposing the Q by even half a stop to a full stop with exposure comp, would have shown Leica pure and rich colours.( fuji are good at keeping highlights but get muddy shadow details if underexposed where Leica are known to blow out highlight but have amazing shadow detail recovery ) Lastly , focus by wire in fuji vs real focus on the Q as mentioned by other is a real big difference in experience . all the best .
@jonnowocky8179
@jonnowocky8179 Год назад
I’m glad you mentioned the overexposed Leica shots, seemed a stop would’ve evened the ability for comparison
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Hmmm?!? I have no complaints about the colors of my JPGs either of my Q or now Q2. As far as exposure is concerned just use the exposure compensation wheel to your convenience, once for... ever (so it should not be an issue either plus it takes care of the blown-out highlights, all the more with what you notices, the possibility of digging deep into the shadows that I confirm).
@hedydd2
@hedydd2 Год назад
The jpegs of the Q, certainly the Q2 that I use, are more customisable than you suggest although I agree that the Fuji is even more so with far more film styles and even more customisation. However, the Q2’s jpegs are just about as customisable in post as most camera’s raw files. The Q’s high iso noise performance is not the best for a full frame but not bad either. It certainly doesn’t match the best full frames such as the superb Sony A7III in that area. The A7III is indeed a viable alternative to these cameras and Q2 when fitted with a Sigma 24mm f1.8 Contemporary prime lens.
@alexandergrafvonrothenstein
@alexandergrafvonrothenstein 5 месяцев назад
Sony has a horrorable menu 🤢 Canon is much better at all.
@hedydd2
@hedydd2 5 месяцев назад
@@alexandergrafvonrothenstein I agree that Sony and Olympus has complex deep menu systems. However, both have revised menus on their newest models. But who cares after learning how to use them? Not me, and I use a mix of brands daily when the weather’s suitable. Once set up, mostly it’s the Quick and My Menus that are accessed while shooting and only then if necessary. The physical controls are many and they all have Custom memory modes for specific recipes that need to be found fast.
@vikdaddy
@vikdaddy Год назад
I've just sold my Leica Q for an X100V. Mainly for the preferable 35mm focal length and the colours. I can get similar Q colours out of the Fuji, but I would struggle getting Fuji colours out of the Leica without significant post-processing!
@CrueLoaf
@CrueLoaf Год назад
A Q2 would be a decent option after the Q. It’s like the Q but way way better.
@Burritosarebetterthantacos
@Burritosarebetterthantacos Год назад
Where did you sell it? Mines been sitting on marketplace for awhile?
@vikdaddy
@vikdaddy Год назад
@@Burritosarebetterthantacos eBay
@KevinRedder
@KevinRedder 11 месяцев назад
Now the Fuji x100V been going up in prices. So now you can get a Leica Q and Fuji x100V for same price. Around 2000 USD.
@Goughie
@Goughie 11 месяцев назад
It’s funny as here in the U.K. used prices are still £1000 for X100V and £2000 for the Q!
@s.j.249
@s.j.249 Год назад
Could you imagine if fuji released an x100 body with a manual focus clutch and focus scale like some of their lenses? (Like the 23mm f1.4/18mm 1.4)
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Would be lovely wouldn’t it! And with the new 40mp sensor from the XH2 and XT5 to allow for some digital cropping in post
@rogerzhou8987
@rogerzhou8987 Год назад
If fuji can improve the focusing with ovf that would be awesome… I found the hybrid solution a little difficult to focus manually.. and I don’t want to use the evf when there is an ovf option.
@factsnchill168
@factsnchill168 6 месяцев назад
I think I can make a better summary. People will say the x100v is "better". Anyone who has an x100v wishes they had a Q2 hahaha. Review over.
@ChrisWhittenMusic
@ChrisWhittenMusic Год назад
Had an X100T and a Q. The Q was superior in every way. The lens is incredible. Not a fan of 28mm so sold it for an M240 in the end. I wouldn’t go back to an X100V.
@simonkimber1152
@simonkimber1152 3 месяца назад
My Q was my gateway drug… ended up with an M10p… gave the Q to my wife… but just bought a battered x100t as a cheap everyday carry. Q has massively better AF
@duesenbeat
@duesenbeat Год назад
The App wasn't working good with my x100f but with the x100v the app on the iPhone is so easy. Don't even need to do anything in camera to transfer an image, when the camera and bluetooth is turned on. Just open the app, tap connect and you're ready to transfer.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
My experience is very similar to yours, I currently have 4 fujis and all connect with ease, groups and forums are full off complaints though
@duesenbeat
@duesenbeat Год назад
@@Goughie maybe its the older Fujis in general having problems with the connection.
@InertiaEffect
@InertiaEffect Год назад
It's all mental. For most people who don't even know about cameras couldn't tell the images apart. All modern big brand cameras can take great photos. I still use a fujifilm xe3 and an olympus em10 mk ii
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Agree! And it’s the mental part that gets me out the house shooting which is why I pick up the Leica M10 and M6 more than most other cameras
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Well if your livelihood depends on your equipment, or if you just love what you do to the point of trying to do it better, a good tool may help and a Leica Q is a good tool.
@gohumberto
@gohumberto Год назад
2023 - The Q2 is £5,000 and the X100V (if you can source one) is more like £2,000. The hype for these cameras is through the roof ... like the prices. I got the X100V for RRP €1399 in France a year ago, just before the hype kicked in. I sort of knew it would be an instant classic because I'd been following the increasing interest in the X100 line for 10 years. The X100V was the evolution I was waiting for ... weather sealing!! (the new amazing lens is a bonus).
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Well the comparison was with the Q, not the Q2. Nowadays used Q have become far more affordable. You may consider that "the hype of these cameras" may also have to do with what they deliver as many professional photographers (including myself) for whom the quality of results and ergonomics are what matters. [by the way the Q2 has weather sealing too, and 47 Mp]
@donaldboys7094
@donaldboys7094 Год назад
Found the problem but not the solution. There is a 3.1 version of the firmware but cannot find a place from which to download it.
@Fifty8day
@Fifty8day 10 месяцев назад
I love fast lenses so Q
@bobjpage
@bobjpage Год назад
Thank you for this comprehensive comparison. One point of disagreement, however. Your testing process included adding an adapter to the Fuji 100v to match focal lengths more closely. This is a flawed process for at least two reasons. First, these adaptor-required test images will be lower in quality than with the standard included Fuji lens. Second, it adds lens adapter cost to the Fuji that you haven’t accommodated for. I cannot use your tests for a camera-to-camera comparison of image quality.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Yeah somewhat agree, I have noted photos that have the adapter being used, I think over 50% ended up not using the adapter, And it’s definitely something that you can’t do with the Leica so I guess in some ways is an added bonus and still comes in a good deal cheaper I also can’t tell the difference in quality between the standard lens and the adapter, maybe that’s a good video idea actually, seeing if there is any drop off in quality
@jeffadrian7271
@jeffadrian7271 Год назад
Unless you have actually tested or have experience with the 28mm adapter, perhaps the statement that the resulting "images will be of lower quantity" than the standard lens is unwarranted. In my experience, the x100v with the 28mm adapter yields excellent image quality!
@marcusoutdoors4999
@marcusoutdoors4999 Год назад
Really great comparison. I have the X100V and it is great… you’re right about the terrible Fuji app, ultimately though the Fuji is just not quite there… nasty EVF (relative to Leica), AF just annoying, lens isn’t quite fast enough for subject isolation… but my god it’s close to greatness. What was also fascinating was the bonus footage on the X-H2S… very interesting. On which one I’d keep… well I thought I would sell my X100V when I went all in and got a Leica M11… but both my M11 and a photojournalist friend of mine Neil who got one at the same time, had them fail completely within 200 shots! Both of us got replacements, Neil’s crapped out yesterday and supper annoyingly mine definitely has some software issues (too complicated to explain here, but I’ll be sending images + a note to Leica on Monday, the firmware is definitely buggy and still subject to locking up etc, 6 months after launch), so it can’t be trusted. Now I’ve had Fuji’s since the XPro1 and while not perfect, nothing ever went wrong, no lens or camera issues, 100% dependable, small and fun to use. So here’s the rub for me with the Leica Q, there are reports of dust getting onto the sensor… so it mat need servicing by Leica (that’s OK), turnaround time 8 weeks! (That’s not OK) So while I do love Leica, my old SL being particularly well made, I think the Fuji is still a keeper.
@carl_joyce
@carl_joyce Год назад
I’m curious to know where you can pick up a Q for 2k in the UK? I’m after one but cannot find anything under 2.5k, cheers, Carl
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I’ve just sold mine at £2k, most of the cameras at £2.5k sit there forever not selling! Mixture of eBay and Facebook marketplace, checking frequently as when they do pop up they sell quick!
@carl_joyce
@carl_joyce Год назад
@@Goughie yea I hear you, I’ve been looking for a while and as quick as one appears it’s gone just as fast. I saw a pre owned one on the Leica site with a 1 year warranty in mint condition, I’m tempted just to pay the extra and get one that’s clean. X100v sold out everywhere as well
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
@@carl_joyce not sure if I was lucky to beat the hype with the X100V or just lucky timing! But day I decided I wanted one, there was one locally!
@carl_joyce
@carl_joyce Год назад
@@Goughie you got lucky!!
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
There is one on Facebook market place at £2k right now, no idea if it’s any good but it’s there
@speedyg625
@speedyg625 Год назад
I wish you could get a x100v for 1000 pounds over here in the states theyre selling new for 1800 and used for 1400 because of the shortage🥲 but great review! i have the leica q-p but im looking to the x100v for fun and weather resistance!
@donaldboys7094
@donaldboys7094 Год назад
Would like some help connecting my Q (firmware 3.0) to the Leica FOTOS 3.3.3. I never get a QR screen after selecting the Q camera and then Continue. Would appreciate any advice
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Hi I’m on 3.1 camera wise, if I select WLAN from the camera menu, then select “create WLAN” I then see the QR code on my camera screen
@thomasclark631
@thomasclark631 6 месяцев назад
A year hence, the fact that these cameras came out about even might help explain why the price of used X100V's has migrated toward that of the Leica Q; that plus all the hipster hype.
@bambangfsuryadi
@bambangfsuryadi Год назад
No matter what camera brand you have (or just your smartphone), just go out and shoot. Just enjoy your photography moment.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
For sure! Get out and shoot! 💪🏻
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
So why did you watch this video? ;o)
@miketan4803
@miketan4803 Месяц назад
Technically Q allows for cropping because it's full frame vs apsc so it's not really 28 vs 35, even macro
@iambloater
@iambloater Год назад
Just bought my 3rd X100V after selling the previous ones and regretting both times. It gets under your skin - such an awesome all round camera. Interesting to compare to the Leica but not for me regardless of the price.
@james-p
@james-p 7 месяцев назад
I've had both the X100S and the Leica Q (and now a Q2). For jpg, Fuji is pretty much the King of all of them, hands down. Fuji has the nice film emulations, and the nicest colors. Leica's jpgs are just OK. I shoot RAW with Leica. For the record, IMHO Sony has the worst color. It's just awful. Another nice plus for the X100 series though _is_ that built-in flash. The flash exposure formula Fuji baked in is like magic. Turn the flash on and set everything to auto and indoor flash shots look fabulous. It's freaky good. If you take portraits outdoors in full daylight, you really should experiment with that flash and the ND filter in manual mode. With the unlimited sync speed shutter and the ND, you can knock down the ambient light a couple of stops with a fast shutter speed, and use f/2 to isolate your subject both by shallow depth of focus and lighting her up nicely with the flash and make her really pop. It's a great look. I love my Q2, but I do miss that about the X100S. I have to use a separate flash. Why I went with the Q and now the Q2 was the image stabilization first. That gets me out of ISO 3200 down to ISO 400, and I don't think I ever go above 1600. It's great for taking pics in museums while I'm travelling. Then there's the overall image quality. You can't see it on the web between the junky resolution of browsers and youtube videos, but put the actual file up on a 27" or larger 4K or 5K screen (especially with a Q2) and it's pretty clear. Nevertheless, they're both pretty awesome cameras.
@litespeed65
@litespeed65 2 месяца назад
Toyota Corolla vs Porsche 911, which do you want?
@malcomjhy
@malcomjhy Год назад
X70 also got leaf shutter and flash
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Hasselblads too, so... ??
@silv3rArrow
@silv3rArrow Год назад
13:40 interesting. The vast majority of other reviews say otherwise. The jpges of the leica are inferior due to strange white balance choices and need to have editing afterwards. The X100V provides out of the box film simulations and more important, much more consistent white balance. Thoughts?
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
So… here’s my thoughts Fujifilm standard Provia vs Leica Standard JPEGS I prefer the Leica ones I personally didn’t have white balance issues with the Q, I did have a lot of white balance issues with my M240. Beyond the Provia vs standard Leica example I prefer Fuji. The choice of different emulations, and the huge array of options gives you the customisation you need to achieve basically whatever look you want
@silv3rArrow
@silv3rArrow Год назад
@@Goughie fair enough. Thank you for answering 🙌
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Frankly systematically using "Daylight" setting outdoors (which makes sense) and AWB indoors I have not had any issue with the color rendition of the Q. Have you tried one?
@chrisbinch800
@chrisbinch800 7 месяцев назад
What are those things dangling from the side of the camera?
@Goughie
@Goughie 7 месяцев назад
The red and black things? Hooks for the peak design straps
@-grey
@-grey Год назад
I love the preface about the fans. 😂 I'm the rare Fujifilm shooter who doesn't like the colours. I can use Velvia, Astia, and at a push Pro Neg H - but none really get it 100% for me. All the others are just hot garbage in my opinion. However, I can't say I love Leica either. I like the Ricoh and Nikon colours the best, with Canon coming in second. Either way: the Q is clearly the superior camera in almost every way. I can not fault people for getting ripped off on it. 😂 28f1.7 on FF? No chance for my poor old Fujifilm.
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Have you tried Leica colors (to complete your comparison)?
@stefanorossi8246
@stefanorossi8246 11 месяцев назад
Volevo acquistare una X100V, ma ha raggiunto dei prezzi folli 2400€. Trovato una Q usata (pari al nuovo, con due anni di garanzia) a 2800€ e quindi ho scelto Leica.
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
At this price go for a Q!
@EmilianoBertaggia
@EmilianoBertaggia 18 дней назад
Come ti stai trovando? Torneresti indietro?
@stefanorossi8246
@stefanorossi8246 18 дней назад
@@EmilianoBertaggia tornato a Fuji… a dispetto della fama del brand, è stata una delusione per la non tenuta a gli alti iso… a 3200 foto inutilizzabile! Ed è fullframe, con Fuji ti puoi spingere tranquillamente a 6400 ed è apsc. Le uniche note positive: la costruzione, il menù (semplicissimo) e l’ottica. Sembra che sia un problema comune anche alla Q2, forse risolto con la Q3.
@EmilianoBertaggia
@EmilianoBertaggia 18 дней назад
@@stefanorossi8246 Gentilissimo, grazie Stefano, hai sintetizzato i riscontri che non riuscivo a trovare in troppe esaltatissime recensioni...😅
@stefanorossi8246
@stefanorossi8246 17 дней назад
@@EmilianoBertaggia se fatte da youtubers, al 99% “venduti” al brand… per quel solo difetto (e non è una cosa da poco) indifendibile!
@collincourtois8587
@collincourtois8587 Год назад
If only Fuji could produce an X100? with a "serious" lens LIKE the Q2's.... one can dream I guess
@slightwave
@slightwave Год назад
As the owner of 100v, I can say that all these functions interfere, and in those rare moments when you need it, you go through the menu for half an hour trying to set it all up ... not really about photography
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I’m curious what sort of functions do you find yourself having to search the menus for?
@slightwave
@slightwave Год назад
@@Goughie there's a lot of that. for example, shutter speed limitation. I constantly try to find it in the menu when I want to limit its minimum threshold, then all these tracking autofocus modes, I always can’t find them and then I don’t know which one I need when my dog ​​is running right now :) By the way, this AF switcher on the body I use only 2 positions, you can get into the middle one only by trying very hard, almost like a surgeon :)
@neel4357
@neel4357 Год назад
Which fuji film simulation is similler or close to similler to Leica q2? Can anyone tell me pls?
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
None.
@buckleyrobinson7415
@buckleyrobinson7415 Год назад
If money doesn’t matter, why not compare the q2? Latest vs latest?
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Unfortunately I don’t have a Q2, would love to try one
@ralcains
@ralcains Год назад
The comparison is not very fair. Q is from 2015, Fuji from 2020. Five years later. If there are still doubts between one and the other, it means that Q is very good. The natural comparison with the Fuji X100V is the Leica Q2 and in this case I think the doubts are over and the Q2 clearly wins.
@burtgummer8514
@burtgummer8514 Год назад
Film simulations wipe the floor with Leica Q. I question the water proofing of the Fuji.
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
Who needs them for what?? If you want to play with off color renditions (the way film worked) then far more range and possibilities in any image-processing software.
@drs-Rigo-Reus
@drs-Rigo-Reus Год назад
What would fit a pro, such as myself:-)?
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
If you’re a pro you know the answer, either of them
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
@@Goughie ;o) [although it may depends of what kind of photography this pro does]
@thinkreset8612
@thinkreset8612 Год назад
Straight out of camera the Leica wins, in everything else I prefer the Fuji. Specially Film simulations recipes. That alone is enough even if they where the same price.
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
I am sincerely curious, why use film simulations and their lawed color renditions (for having used film for a few decades and dealing with their color shifts, I am quite pleased not to see that anymore ;o)
@midas1929
@midas1929 Год назад
I solved the problem by owning both
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
That definitely works!
@reecet7679
@reecet7679 Год назад
leica q2 is 9k in australia
@sumorichis
@sumorichis Год назад
The Leica 28 mm Summilux lens is just incredible! It's the best what I have ever used. Considering it's from 2015. But nice video. Cheers.
@CharlesLe-thephotographer
@CharlesLe-thephotographer Год назад
Leica is superior in low light with the f1.7 and the 3 stops stabilizer
@stubskututstuy
@stubskututstuy Год назад
I hope money is as easily available for me. Life really is unfair in certain parts of the world 😞
@frankartale1026
@frankartale1026 Год назад
i would keep the V
@JJ_Photo
@JJ_Photo Год назад
Fine comparison. You forgot one important thing. Manual focus... If you like to shoot street and use the good old zone focusing - the Q is just so much better than the V. The V is practical useless for these situations. You set the focus distance to 2 meters. And 30 seconds later it will be 10 or 1 meters, and you didn't even realize it before it is too late. Fuji should really implement a manual focus lock....
@peedeepee2112
@peedeepee2112 Год назад
Leica Q macro works perfect at 5cm from the subject
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Focusing distance is measure from the sensor not the end of the lens, official distance on the Leica website is 17cm
@peedeepee2112
@peedeepee2112 Год назад
@@Goughie oh ok
@steveramsay5941
@steveramsay5941 Месяц назад
X100V👍👍👍👍
@n0w3lly90
@n0w3lly90 Год назад
They just are not comparable cameras: 1) one is £5000, the other is a quarter of that price 2) one is full frame, the other is APSC 3) one is 47 MP, the other is half that 4) one is 28mm, the other is 35mm (equivalent) These fundamental differences, for me, puts them in different classes of camera
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I hear you! They fill the exact same need for me though, and 2 of your 4 reasons aren’t correct, this is the Q not Q2, so it’s about £1200 vs £1900 here used in the U.K. so much closer there, and we are talking 24 vs 26 megapixel
@n0w3lly90
@n0w3lly90 Год назад
@@Goughie ah... I missed that. If it's the Q at 2nd hand price, that's fine. You should add the Sony RX1Rii and Sony RX1R also
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
@@n0w3lly90 I do really want to try them!
@felixbrandau4751
@felixbrandau4751 3 месяца назад
hey fuji iso is different than other brands thats why
@VinceDae
@VinceDae Год назад
how do you get an X100V for 1000 pounds?
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
I’ve had it nearly two years and it wasn’t so popular at the time! right now there’s some for sale used on Facebook and eBay for £1000
@VinceDae
@VinceDae Год назад
@@Goughie really - here in Denmark it’s at least 1500 GBP
@pitiwong1
@pitiwong1 Год назад
I am not looking down on Fuji. (I am using Fuji) But how can you compare 2 totally different products, For one, one is full frame, and another is APS-C.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
Ahh good point! Better take it down!
@michaelj7069
@michaelj7069 Год назад
As someone who's owned both, the Fuji is soooo much better.
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
What’s the stand out difference with the Fuji for you?
@michaelj7069
@michaelj7069 Год назад
@@Goughie manual focus override was huge. Pushing down on that Leica focus release that’s awkwardly placed. The speed of changing focus points. No dust on the sensor. $4000 cheaper. Image quality just as good. Weather sealing. 28mm is not good for subject isolation so I felt the X100 was on par there. Low Light performance. Video was better but it’s a non issue for me. I mean the Leica experience was neat. Exclusive club with benefits of ownership. But I literally owned it for 2 months and gave up. I’d prefer an M body with a 35 for a better experience. I could go on. Lol
@Goughie
@Goughie Год назад
@@michaelj7069 it’s interesting how we are all so different with requirements etc! Someone’s pros are another’s cons!
@BrunoChalifour
@BrunoChalifour 6 месяцев назад
I disagree sooooo much! (I have owned both too).
@michaelj7069
@michaelj7069 6 месяцев назад
@@BrunoChalifour That's sooooooo good for you.
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