Fun Fact: On that croneworld mentioned in the video, the very first noise marine, and a fairly high-ranking officer of the 3rd legion, a guy by the name of Marius Vairosean, was killed by a deaf Iron Hands Terminator named Ignatius Numen, who had lost his hearing on Istvaan. Marius hit Numen with that Lord Commander Eidolon scream and knocks him on his ass, then Numan shrugs it off, stands back up, charges his Volkite cannon to max power and yells in a manner so typical of the classic old-man-with-shitty-hearing-aids archetype, "WHAT?! I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THAT!" And then erases Space Marine Skrillex from the face of the galaxy.
That was a good book, but might I point out that sonic weapons kill by pulverising your body with kinetic waves. Not being able to hear won't somehow stop that from happening?
@@oscarainekeaneMaybe not, but I imagine that the sonic weapons do cause a lot of sensory overload initially: as this Iron Hand wasnt affected, he was able to return fire and kill Marius before the kinetic force could build up to a point where it could kill him.
It should be noted that Marius sonic weapon was damaged and unusable at the time and that his scream is no where near Eidolon tier, Eidolons will break through ceremite and send landspeeders out of the air while Marius' will only disorientate his enemies.
I love him because he gradually and then rapidly realizes how fucking stupid his brothers are for joining Chaos and is just like "Guess this is my life now"
If I remember correctly, the source for Fulgrim playing Sims for 10 millenium comes from the Fabius Bile books. I remember some passage about how there are literal mountains of corpses on his demon world that are the bodies of all his discarded "actors"
I feel like Magnus' breaking point wasn't that Propsero was destroyed, it was Leman Russ using his Wulfen to do it. That was when he took the to the field. Magnus knew there were no Wolves on Fenris, that these creatues were mutant human settlers, that the Wulfen were Space Marines who succumbed to this mutation. This was what outraged him. Psycher powers may have been recently banned by the Emperor, but Mutants were always excoriated. And yet the Vylka Fenrika was using mutants for war just like he had used psychic powers. He came to the realization that Prospero and his legion were not anymore deserving of extermination then Fenris and the Wolves by the Emperor's own standards. That when push came to shove, Leman was no more loyal to the precepts of the Imperium then Magnus himself was. That is why he fought, I believe.
And that’s makes it a really compelling fight, and one of the most unique settings in the Heresy’s events ...OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, GAMES WORKSHOP WRITERS, YOU SCHIZOPHRENIC WANKERS All jokes aside, so much opportunity has been wasted and mishandled...
@@toastle8005 GW: "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?" They ditched the concept of the anchorite. Even to these days GW still fumble with their story ideas.
@@minhducnguyen9276 40k is like star wars. the lore is never consistent, everyone hates it, the new stuff is flashy but alot of people prefer the grit and simplicity of the old style, its running on nostaglia and the fact if anyone tried anything similar with better cohesion itd be "ripping off" the brand. its run by a company that cares more about money and getting its fans to buy overpriced trash.... and yet its fans stay loyal.
@@minhducnguyen9276 same with star wars. i know plenty of people hated the alot of the character changes they made, but they could have proven to be interesting arcs if they didnt throw them away due to fan backlash. we kinda live in this setting where nobody wants the new thing with its own lore... but artists dont like the confines of the thing theyre making. so you get lore breaks every time because its not one cohesive vision. im a 40k lore fan, with little or no interest in the tabletop game. I just like sci fi, bleak settings, and fantasy, and imagine some of GWs writers feel similarly, and it can only be made worse by the company dictating how the story has to go.
@@zeppelincraft1443 so the iron warriors had a guardsmen army that was made from his home plants arms and population, so did the emperors children have the same? What about the other legions
I'm guessing Fulgrim was an extremely quick learner even for Primarch standards (revolutionized the entire Chemos factory setup/schedules, without being Guilliman) but probably had really bad intuition, just accepting things at face value. He looked at the Emperor's grand presence for like 1 minute and uncritically allied himself, and the whole super chaos sword that somehow corrupted him.
@@Haispawner A Keeper of Secrets is a highly intelligent creature, a being whose silvered words and languid gestures belie its true power. It is claimed these are the most entrancing of all immortals, and that to look upon one is to surrender every last shred of self-will. A Greater Daemon of Slaanesh knows the most intimate desires of every mortal being, and will use this horrific knowledge to gain power over its foes, seducing them with whispered promises they cannot hope to resist. 🤗
Angron unironically has the best reasoning for his actions, but then he becomes nothing but a rage monster with no personality, agency, or interests in anything except violence
@@calebbarnhouse496the fact that he actually had the option of having the spikes removed removes all sympathy I had for him. If GW had written it so that he couldn't have them removed or the Emperor tried without Angron knowing but own made it worse he would have been so much better.
@@cookiecraze1310 What? I've heard repeatedly that the nails were taking up way too much of his nervous system to ever be removed. Is this some brand-new retcon?
@@cookiecraze1310 as far as I'm aware the only one able to remove them was the emperor and he just didn't want to try it, either because it would take to long, or he might die, I don't even know if he gave angron the option to try it
Fulgrim had one of the most tragic Traitor Primarch falls. The perfect clone could have been a redemption of sorts, but is now locked in the collection of Trazyn and no one can use that.
Never forget that Fulgrim defeated Ferrus because Ferrus chose a giant plumbers wrench 18:42 as his primary weapon. I dont care what the books say, the art depicts him with a wrench.
I often wonder what the artists had going through his head drawing that at the time, then I get angry and have to stop thinking. A damn plumbers wrench, on bloody Istvaan V lmao cmon man
Clonegrim probably won't come back and definitely won't get a model but I think it'd be really funny if he did because so far a lot of returning Daemon Primarchs have coincided with returning Loyalist Primarchs who they then fight, and imagine how silly it would be if they made a massive event out of "Fulgrim vs another Fulgrim"
I won’t say that Ferrus isn’t a rather bland Primarch, his name is literally “Iron Hands” in Latin for God’s sake, but his tragedy of his sons doubling down on the cyber-initiative and the fact that ALL of his clones always rebelled against the Snake-Twink that is Fulgrim. I can’t help but like the guy, dude baptized a Wyrm in lava, can you blame me?
When I think about the fact that Fulgrim was meant to be a direct rip-off of Griffith and Ferrus Manus was probably then supposed to be their version of Guts, I take much more of a liking to him. Plus, the Iron Hands army, units and weaponry in the heresy are actually way more interesting than I thought, and their aesthetic from Forge World’s early days was top-tier. Both the legion, and the Primarch, have grown on me.
Not at all. Ferrus was a turbo-chad. He mentored his brothers on all technological aspects of war, pretty much training and leading by example on how to use the myriad weapons of the Imperium. He and his legion were actually the first to get Terminator armor after Horus publicly backed the project, and they were primarily responsible for field-testing and drafting tactical doctrine concerining its maintenance, deployment and usage in combat. That's right. The Justaeran of the 16th, the Deathwing of the 1st, the Firedrakes of the 18th, the Death Shroud of the 14th and the Devourers of the 12th, none would be anywhere near as famous or impressive as they are if it weren't for them taking pages DIRECTLY out of the Iron Hands' playbook. Ferrus Manus and his legion wrote the book on Astartes grade mechanized warfare and combined arms engagements. Every time the Mechanicum put out a new piece of equipment intended for Astartes use, the Iron Hands were the first to use it, and report the findings of their field-testing back to the Mechanicum.
Isn't he also the guy who routinely had the factions of his home world openly war against each other in order to weed out weak because he was a turbo Social Darwinist? Kinda hard to like a guy who seems like he would approve of eugenics.
The Amber king's video on Ferrus had a pretty funny example of that with their voiced excerpts from various books. With the voice actor for Fulgrim pouring his heart out with his performance, enough to actually make you believe that the Emperor was the one who betrayed them, while the book's prose/narration says shit like "Fulgrim smiled wickedly, watching the pained expression in his brother's face"
8:40 I now have the imagine in my head of the Emperor managing all of the Imperium from the golden throne with a gaming computer with stellaris open and headphones on
Fulgrim is who I want to come back as the third loyalist primarch. He really was the best of the primarchs: he had the compassion for humanity like vulkan, with the self discipline of ferrus mannus. A tactical mind and a desire for perfection that, if not destined to fall to chaos by sheogorath, would likely dignify and ascend his worlds into places of beauty and skill. What good is charisma and strategy when your troops are scheming cliques of resentful children? Rlyanor was not an outlier for the emperors children, he was one of many each with the personal development beyond the other chapters. I think if loyalist fulgrim and his interactions with snakegrim was given some chance to shine, it would be one of the most fascinating reads in 40k. The tallest heights vs the most depraved lows. A battle of the self vying for dominance. The interactions he would have with the other loyalist primarchs too, a man repentant for a side of him that he does not even associate with. How would the imperium even react to a fallen son being resurrected, and how much will this new fulgrim need to prove before he even comes close to forgiveness. Stuff like this makes me wish I was a writer so I could do a plot line like that it's justice.
4:55 okay so the game this is from is called Warframe, not Warthunder if any of you were wondering. Now yeah it’s pretty applicable. The guys singing the song are the Solaris, a people that are debt slaves to the Corpus (imagine the votann but they aren’t dwarves and worship money instead of chatgpt) and are forced to work in order to buy body mods in order to work so they can pay off their debts. If they fail to pay off their debts they can have their possessions and even body parts reposed. If they die either due to exhaustion or body part repossession their debts are passed on to their children or next of kin. There’s no hope of them rebelling because the Corpus have vastly superior tech and giant mecha spider titans. That is until the Tenno(cyborg harlequins) come and reignite the rebellion known as Solaris United.
It always felt like he was written to be a prick that easily fell to chaos instead of the original idea of "really cool and awesome guy that got corrupted against his will with subterfuge that shows the true danger of chaos corruption"
Yeah, Baldemort’s depiction of him as a really earnest and well-meaning runt of the litter, with only 300 marines at first, working insanely hard to make up for it and be a stand-out and cultured legion- right up until the fateful landing on the Laer planet- really solidified the Legion as an unlikely favourite of mine. He is, as many people rightly joke, like Griffith from Beserk. The aesthetic, the skills, the intelligence and grace- you WANT him to be good, which is what makes it more frustrating and tragic when he goes off the deep end.
Right? He was cool until he suddenly was this arrogant fruitcake before he ever got that sword. He was always trying too hard to be cool and shiny and was seen as insecure by Jaghatai. Which means he wasnt as perfect and prodigal as he seemed. Takes the power out of the blade if he was already a bit of a douche
@@maltheri9833We're also dealing with four decades of character drift and flanderization. In the same way more recent lore paints The Emperor as always just a useless asshole, Fulgrim gets twisted away from that first, deeply engaging concept into "Oh he was always a shitty insecure fop who happened to be good at swords and nothing else." It's a shame, and it weakens the overall writing; the entire point of the 40k Imperium is how much they do EVERYTHING wrong. If the 30k Imperium was exactly as bad, why the hell should anyone *care* about the lore?
@@Pyre I wonder how much the current lore drift is the result of GW getting frustrated with half their fanbase acting like the Imperium is something to aspire to, and throwing up their hands and saying "Alright _fine,_ they were always shitty and the Emperor was an idiot who succeeded through strength rather than smarts, will you stop idolising them now?" That said, there's definitely room for the current version of the 30k Imperium to still have the flawed but ultimately noble versions of the Primarchs originally presented. They could easily _start_ as these ultimate paragons, but because their father is a lacking parent and the leader of the genocide factory, their worse traits get encouraged, opening them up more and more to the corrupting power of chaos.
@@ToaArcan Leaning away from the Emperor being gung ho for mass genocide for literally no given reason (or even just, competent at anything besides science) feels like it could have helped too. I kind of get the feeling your take is correct, even without it having to be *intentional* on GW's part.
You know, for being so well versed in the warp and chaos, and being the most intelligent man to ever live, big E missed A LOT of red flags in the backstory and personality of half of his sons.
It is now canon that Ferrus had a full back tattoo of Asirnoth, the (possibly Necron) machine wyrm that gifted him his metal hands, and Fulgrim has a Aquila headed Phoenix tattoo. I will not be taking questions.
14:50 Imma be THAT guy for a second. Technically it was the 140th Expeditionary Fleet with 3 Blood Angels companies that tried to pacify Murder (which was named when the Blood Angels captain said “This. World. Is. Murder” before getting killed). Then Lord Commander Eidolon of the Emperor’s Children (as well as Saul Tarvitz and Lucius) arrived to “support” (read: rescue) the Blood Angels, and they also suffered like 60% casualties until Horus himself arrived to save them, and he and Sanguinius then tried genociding the Megarachnids, saying the famous line “Let us murder Murder” Fulgrim never set foot on Murder, but one of his closest (and most arrogant) advisors played a large part in the battle
Weird how loyalist Emperor's Children like Tarvitz and Rylanor are presented by the fandom as super masculine even though the prerequisite for being in the Emperor's Children is to be a dandy nobleman.
Not dandy, just of noble blood. The legion's culture was 2/3 foppish dandy duelists and 1/3 noble gigachads. The 2/3 ultimately ended up as Chaos marines and the chads made a last stand on Istvaan III. Much like the Death Guard was about 1/2 smelly creeps and 1/2 reliable, hardy soldiers.
I love the quote of Fulgrim in his primarch novel: Your brothers conquered their home worlds, but you were the only one who had to save yours. (Or something to those lines)
24:30 Its in Fabius Bile - Manflayer chapter 19. Fabius travels to Fulgrims pleasure world Callax, and Narvo Quin explais that Fulgrim is trying to 100% No Hit Speedrun his early life on Chemos. Not exactly what is said here but the gist of it.
The source for Fulgrim trying to re-create Chemos and him playing different roles in its history comes from the third Fabius Bile book "Manflayer." Fabius and Narvo Quin travel across rhe world to visit Fulgrim because Fabius needs some help against the Dark Eldar. Then once the two meet, Fulgrim kinda gives Fabius a proper dad lecture and then tells him to fuck off. 24:34
Hard carried the entire Heresy, then singlehandedly finished dooming it once he was screwed over enough. Perturabo's central flaw was never goddamn speaking up for himself. Like, "Yeah bud, anybody would become an asshole in your situation, but you have the greatest engineering mind of an entire species and you never once tried the thing that could solve the problem."
He actually is. He embodies the intellect, strength, artistry, martial and strategic prowess of all the other primarchs combined but misdirects it constantly because he’s only ever been used as a tool for others wishes and never his own
He comes really close to being, but then always have this weird persecution complex and pathological lack of confidence and always expects the worst. It's like one of the core rules for the setting is something like, "The only one that can defeat Perturabo is Perturabo."
That’s really easy for people to say but just try to contextualize it for a second. The guy lands on what is basically diet Macragge and while he had a mindset geared towards innovation and peace, and was instead used as a tool of war by his foster father. The Emperor did the exact same thing, then shat on his talents further by making Rogal Dorn the praetorian of Terra instead of just letting them build shit together. He was more than happy to assist Fulgrims because A) he was unaware of his fall at the time and B) he actually got along with many of his brothers before Horus rebelled, including Vulcan and Magnus. The guy has only ever been used, disappointed, and taken for granted by literally everyone but his sister which he killed with his bare hands out of rage. His pessimism and self victimization are the result of all of these events and even disregarding all of that, name one time in your life where you weren’t your own worst enemy at least once. His flaws humanize him, Whereas Fulgrim was just careless and his bled down to his legion.
@@hunterkillerxyz he is his own worst enemy consistently. I am begging on my knees for GW to let characters learn from their mistakes or from the vast amount of data available to them.
Its like that simpsons meme. You can actually pinpoint the moment were Fulgrim goes from relatable and tragic to badly written mustache twirling villain thats only there to be made fun of
9:00 Cannot be _overstated._ 'cannot be understated' is for small, 'cannot be overstated' is for big. In 'the Rouboutian Heresy' fanfic where the Primarchs's loyalties are flipped, Fulgrim actually managed to increase the efficiency of Chemos's society to the point that they *undid the decline* and when the Emperor showed up, Chemos was well on its way to becoming a paradise world. The Emperor's Children's ethos also evolved in a different direction. Due to [spoiler], loyalist Emperor's Children's ethos is 'Perfection is hard work.' - No hypocrisy or superficiality allowed. Needless to say, this timeline's Lucius the Eternal is a _supreme_ badass.
Yup, and it's non-canon. I love Zahariel's work on the RH, but it's moslty unrelated to Canon Fulgrim. I feel like it shouldn't be used in comparision. Back on topic, Fulgrim played too much HoI4 is all I'm saying. X)
An Adam&Eve add in a video about Fulgrim is beyond accurate. My hat's off to you for that one. Fulgrim is my favorite traitor primach, next to Magnus, and I fell in love with the lore of the chapter and the color scheme the moment I saw it. Bumping into them in The Horus Heresy novels, and seeing just how ass-holish they were, really put them into perspective for me. I'm one of those whop wishes for a Fulgrim redemption arch, and Rylanor only made me want that more. Good job!
Honestly this kind of hurts me, since I kind of like him and the ideas he stood for when he was a primarch. Like a legion that is a representation on what humanity could be then just being your generic legion sounds so cool.🐱
Baldemort’s video on Fulgrim captures that way, way better than most of the authors did, and it’s why so went from hating him to really liking the legion
Well...TBF about Murder, it wasn't named originally. Hell, it didn't even have a name but a number. It got named that after Imperium forces landed, fought the megaracnids for a while and a transmission came from those forces stating "This. World. Is. Murder!"
I am surprised you didn’t go into the whole Clonegrim thing. I thought you’d be stoked to talk about Trazyn again and start theory crafting a story where the Eldars will be involved again to get Clonegrim to the Imperium, kind of like with Roboogey.
That part about Fabius Bile not being able to create a Chaos aligned clone of Ferrus Manus might be the reason why the Emperor or Malchador weren't able to do it to bring him back. His soul and that of his Perpetual self as a warp entity were probably constantly being brought back and killed in those cloning experiments. And now that I put that into words, I really want to see what the Emperor's Children legion and any of their branch off legions/chapters might be like in games like Space Marine and Space Marine 2. Killing in a way that could rival Dark Eldar and with just as much cruel efficiency. Or nearly as much at least. (Thank everything that's holy, none of the Emperor's Children and the Night Lords ever collaborated and created a chaos successor chapter, because then they probably would directly rival the Drukhari. Except they can't heal or feed on from the pain they inflict, or maybe not in the same ways 🤔. It hurts my head to seriously consider so I'm gonna stop for now...if not forever 😅🤕😫. Lol
The Emperor pulled his soul to fight for him in the webway though. He never ha the time to bring him back,he lost the primarch project info as is and he was kind of fighting for humanitys survival so resurrecting Ferrus wasnt possible beyond bringing back his literal soul which he did do.
I like to genuinely think fulgrim is actually still in the painting, so we can have a story about him breaking free of it (and maybe going into a certain clones body who knows) for it would honestly make it so that flugrim and his legion could be redeemed and maybe form a new faction in warhammer which would be great but sadly GW typically leave interesting ideas in the trashcan that change up the setting so this wont ever happen.
Horus's fall to Chaos started as a child. I'll remember the name of the book when I'm done typing. One short story by BL is about a small child growing up in the cave mine underground crime world of Cthonia. Where you earned your name by killing someone else. So Horus was first called "Nergüi" mean "no-name". The "gang" he was a part of were in the wrong spot at the wrong time. The Mechanicus showed up to the planet and started drilling, causing cave-ins, killing gang members and critically injuring the gang leader. As he was dying he told Nergüi to finish him to claim him kill-name. After which Nergüi called himself Horus, and suddenly all his Primarch genes started kicking in, as he was more or less a normal looking kid before he got his kill-name. Horus was raised by horrible people, and a lot probably rubbed off on him. He just used his charisma to make people think he was a good soul.
By the way, the mere fact that Fulgrim and the Khan were “switched” planets by Cegorach to prevent the Khan from falling to Chaos is not just an odd point in the lore, it is a direct refutation of Erda’s genius plan. Why, you may ask, is the planet a Primarch lands on so important that it is the difference between falling to Chaos and not falling to Chaos? Because the manner and conditions in which the Primarch is raised is super important, even more important than their personalities and abilities. In other words, if various Primarchs were not scattered off to shithole worlds and were instead left to the Emperor, the Heresy is almost impossible. Erda simply jacked up humanity. Of course, if it was the Chaos gods that scattered the Primarchs, well, it makes a hell of a lot more sense. They would want to send Primarchs out to shithole worlds in the hopes it creates personality and mental faults which they could later exploit, which is exactly what happened. But no, we have to have Erda, a super powerful perpetual that lived for thousands of years but lost her shit because reasons.
Its actually not a point in the lore at all, at no point its ever said Cegorach did it, all Magnus say in Scars is that one force switched them, nothing else
@@marrvynswillames4975 Person X did it, therefore the statement changes because Person Y didn’t do it. Ahh, the internet, where half you chuckle fucking heads have to disagree to agree.
@@marrvynswillames4975 A meaningless detail. They could have been switched by Carl from Gary, Indiana, and it wouldn’t change a thing regarding the stupidity of the Erda theory.
Maybe them being raised by Big E would have been even worse and instead of half falling to chaos, all of them would have. Either by collectively deciding that there's 20 of them and only one big e so shy shouldn't they be in charge, or because all that power would have turned big e into a chaos God. It's also not definite that erda would have had specific control about where they land. Maybe she was trying to send them all to planets like mccrage but the chaos gods fucked with their routes.
That was the only ad I've ever enjoyed. Not just because of your delivery... but because someone finally advertised for a product that anyone over 35 is actually going to get, besides drugs.
seriously though, how did fulgrim not realize there was something up with that sword? im pretty sure even the stupidest of us would realize that it’s evil after a voice in their head shows up after they pick it up, and then immediately starts telling them to use omegle and do turbo meth, while flaying orphans.
I had a hard time feeling bad for Fulgrim until the end of the book during the drop site massacre. That had me stuck in my car outside my friend’s house for like 35 mins listening to the audiobook. He’s hitting me on the phone like “you coming in?”. That was a good book
Perhaps not, but he managed to get two Thousand Sons marines to have a change of heart, and he died dealing a blow to Fulgrim's pride that can never heal.
15:30 gotta be that "akshually" person here: Blood Angels called that planet Murder after they arrived to aid the Emperor's Children and got slaughtered by the megarachnids as well. "This. World. Is. Murder." was their last transmission picked by the Sons of Horus.
... Dat add... ... the subject... ... the theme... ........ I just... i can't even..... i.... just... .... wow. I am completely speechless. I mean, i'm expecting add because, one way or another you gotta pay the bills, man. But still, i'd have expected something "classic", like "Raid" or whatnot. But then you bring a sex toy add, on a Fulgrim video... it's both completely surprising and at the same time, so like you to do so, it HURTS that the outcome is so obvious i should've seen it coming. Damn the fuck it, Pancreas, have my like just for that.
I think you should do a video on The Night Lords and Konrad Kurze. Their reasons for turning traitor are actually pretty understandable. Or even better read the Night Lords trilogy, it could very likely make you a like a traitor Legion all by itself.
I actually really like Angron's backstory. People tend to assume that his motivation for betraying the Emperor was just "Oh, the nails made him do it", when in reality, it's just that the Emperor is a fucking piece of shit. The nails were the only thing keeping him from turning on the Imperium as soon as possible.
20:23 this moment is probably my most hated moment, a moment of “hahha, I, Fulgrim, actually wanted this,” - instead of extreme regret or well-thought-out narrative, nope just “yeah I wanted this”
"It's at this point that the Eldar decide that now is a great time to remind these silly primitives that there's a damn good reason why they ruled the galaxy for 65 million years." Yep, it's cause the Necrons were all asleep... 🤣
You know the reason necron went to sleep is because they weren't up to stuff at the end. And I have no doubt Eldeari in some cases help shattering of C'tan.
I almost NEVER listen to sponsorship ads, so good job on getting me to sit through this one, I was flabbergasted anyone would advertise something like this on *RU-vid*. You sir, have my respect.
No fucking shot you got an actual Adam and Eve sponsor for this episode. How did you even land that? Did you just tell ‘em “I’m doing an episode on the twink who worships the god of Sex,Drugs, and Rock and Roll” and they just said “We’re in.”?
I dunno man, the little voice in the back of my head that says "hey, coke would be fun, let's 'play some 8ball'" is probably the most human thing ever. Same voice that says " you could just jump" when standing on a ledge...
You should look at some of arbiter Ian’s videos on the development of the lore. One of my favourite things in 40k is that some half thought out, bizarre, throw away lore created to sell goofy table top figures has become the cornerstone of one of the deepest most extensive universes. The reality that there’s throw away deliberately vague/over the top/satirical nuggets of lore aren’t really known by a lot of the new fans and I feel it’s important to acknowledge this so that you understand you cannot take 40 completely seriously
I really hate this stupid meme of 40k having the deepest lore you must understand to enjoy it, when at least half of it garbage that makes Magic the Gathering look well written.
@Calvin_Coolage Some of MTG was well written, but a lot of it is just weird stuff and manipulating genes/DNA "for the greater good"... like Warhammer 40k
Fabius Bile Trilogy has some good Fulgrim stuff. The clone in the second, which I go back and forth on but like the ideas, and Fulgrim proper in the third. Third's where you get the "recreating his past" bits, along with some more. I like it.
Who the FUCK at adam & eve's marketing department said "do you know who would make a great demographic for our sex toys? A majority male community that is several thousands of dollars deep into buying and playing with minifigures!"
I was surprised to hear the segment with your sponsor in this video. I have now replayed it three times to make sure the "90 day no asshole returned - policy" statement was misheard on my part.
Fulgrim having wives is shocking and new to me! It makes me want to know more. Did the other primarchs get married? Did any of them ever actually get laid? Were any of them good in bed? I know that the astartes are impotent, but I thought the primarchs were too. Or are they but Fulgrim didn't care and still wanted to get married anyways? If THAT'S true, then wouldn't that make Fulgrim the biggest simp in the entire galaxy?!
Astartes aren't impotent they just completely lack a sex drive. It's why so many Emperor's Children focus on sound and drugs rather than sex. I think the only astartes who fuck are Space Wolves since there's tons of example of them hitting on women or apparently even having kids but that last one was claimed by a dude nicknamed "the trickster" so who knows.
What makes Fulgrim the most evil is that before he became a demon prince, he killed his best friend. Fulgrim had been controlled by a demon up until this point and right before Fulgrim struck down Ferrous, the demon ended the possession to show Fulgrim just how far he has fallen. He had total self control at this point, yet still chose to kill his best friend.
I'm going to need a quoted source. Mine is, "The amethyst stone at the hilt of Fulgrim’s sword pulsed with an evil light, bathing Ferrus Manus’s face in a leering purple glare. Energy streamed from the blade, and musky smoke billowed around them, deadening sounds and obscuring sight. Fulgrim felt a monstrous presence swell around him, its power and nameless essence more intoxicating and dreadful than anything he could ever have imagined. Diabolical strength flooded his limbs and he pushed against the power of Ferrus Manus, feeling his brother’s surprise at his resistance. ... "Fulgrim’s blade seemed to move with a life of its own, but it had no need of such impellents, for he swung the blade of his own volition. The silver blade clove the air as it swept towards Ferrus Manus, and Fulgrim felt the ancient triumph of the presence that he now knew had dwelt within it all this time. He tried desperately to pull the blow, but his muscles were no longer his own to control. Unnatural warp-forged steel met the iron flesh of a primarch" Unless GW messed up their lore, again, then there's no reason you should believe what you said.
That scene on Armageddon when jaghatai and sanguinius are talking to like mortarion and some of the other primarchs and completely burns both mortarion and fulgrim. He looked like such a badass in that chapter and I believe calling fulgrim a peacock was one of the best burns in the heresy
Man... That's... Certainly a series of words... Kind of like the khan (honored be his name) straight up making up the whole "I hear you do strange things to your sons."
@@xanmontes8715 lol think he spends some of that time away from the other legions just making fun of them? He had those loaded and ready to go. You may have hit it on the head tho. The one you quoted might be even better. You think the khan chose the side he did just cause the ones who sided with horus were just..... a little..... weird?
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 honestly? 100%. The khan (honored be his name [yes I will always say that]) was described in almost every book he is in as a quiet man with eyes like a hawk. The man sees everything and only then makes a decision. Like he is the embodiment of "fools talk, wise men listen". Fulgrim, bless him he is my favorite mainly because out of 20 primarchs he was the only one that saved his planet while everyone else conquered theirs, tried too hard to reach perfection. The khan (honored be his name) was the best swordsman among all the primarchs. I speak from a place of absolute neutrality. If the primarchs decided to hold a series of duels pitting everyone against everyone in a lot of 1v1s, the khan (honored be his name) would win, I'd say, 15 out of 20 times and Fulgrim is NOT one of the other 5. Horus isn't one of the 5 either. Fulgrim was always so obsessed with his image, being perceived as a perfect warrior, poet, artist, diplomat that he was easily thrown off balance. "I hear you do strange things to your bikes" said Fulgrim, speaking truth because the Khan (honored be his name) DID do strange things that bordered on tech-heresy in the eyes of the Martian Priesthood. "I hear you do strange things to your sons" was a blatant lie but who cares? It was sensationalist, and a lie, if sufficiently juicy, will be remembered for far longer than the more tame truth.
@xanmontes8715 outside of liking fulgrim, as he's among my least favorite primarchs, I agree with literally everything else you said. And my issues with fulgrim are mostly post laer blade. You're right about those duels. I know fulgrim is spose to be a master swordsman but I think the khan is on another level. From everything I've read and understood, the few who would be toughest are the khan, lion, angron, and corvus. With possibly vulkan and curze on the edge. And I'm sure I'm leaving one out too. It's awesome to hear someone else has actually read the books. Sometimes people commenting on lore pages, you can tell their knowledge doesn't come first hand from getting to know the actual characters, but rather just from being told things by youtube channels. You pick up a lot more if you take the time to read them, as I'm sure you already know
@@whitlocktherevanchist5236 I get you, I absolutely do. I'm just sad the artist primarch ended up becoming the degenerate. If anyone was doomed to fall, it was Fulgrim. (And Kurze. And Angron but that wasn't Angron's fault)
