*HEY EVERYBODY!! Something I failed to mention in the video: Grand Design has a rather uncommon policy in which dealers CANNOT publish pricing for basically anything except MSRP on new/current models. So if you check the link in the description, then it will let you know where we have GD inventory in stock. But unfortunately we're forced to ask you to contact our local teams for pricing due to MFG agreements. Sorry about that. It's not how I like to do things but I don't really have any say in the matter!* _-Josh the RV Nerd_
Josh: I really appreciate the stats block you post usually within the first minute of a video. That lets everyone know if a particular RV is within their particular interest “envelope” and whether it’s worth the time to continue watching. This is a very useful tool and it’s a shame that other dealers don’t follow your lead. Respectfully, W.S
I like this floorplan. I do most of the loading of the rig and being able to drop the loading door makes it easy for me to load things the generator and full sized bbq. This would work for my friends and i for hitting up paintball events.
Josh: With this trailer as a starting point, I’m seeing a trailer that could easily accommodate someone with a disability or a family with wheelchair confined child. That dual access to the head, the drop down bed and wheelchair ramp access could all be marketed as disability accessibility features and not just toy hauler features. It just seems that far too few trailer manufactures market RV’s and RV features and options to the disabled community. Respectfully, W.S
my parents have rv'd for the last 30 years. they had a 40' Class A diesel pusher and built a lift to help my mom in with. they finally had to give it up because my Mom can't really get out of the chair. I've thought about this exact same idea - a toy hauler like this would be great to bring them with us at least once because Mom can motor in and enjoy time out camping with us and then when it's time for bed there'd be enough room to lower the bed down and use her lift to get into bed. The bathroom won't work one iota though.
@@nosaturn I agree. I can see where the door to the head would need to be modified. This trailer would be a good starting point but no way would it be ADA compliant. But from an engineering and weight distribution view, it's got potential for optional lower cabinets and a wider head door. Point is the first manufacturer to build a quality rv marketed with disability options on an already existing product will likely have a significant sales advantage. Respectfully, W.S.
Interesting design. You are right about the vent covers. I put black ones over the sleeping areas to shut out the morning light and a white one for the living area. Makes a big difference temp wise!
Still deciding but we really love the Outdoors RV toy hauler since it not only has the patio deck but has the rear glass doors and screens. A toy hauler without those features simply doesn't make the cut.
I feel gd does the best travel trailer toy hauler floorplans there always thought out logically without extra nonsense space with different garage lengths, also love g class both fw and tt with lots being optional like awnings, patio system and such, can't wait to see more👍👍
They did great on this one. Wish they would of made the ramp a patio but not a deal breaker. I would use some jack stands for ramp door, Mite work. Thanks for sharing Josh👍👍
@@JoshtheRVNerd Just at the distant daydreaming stage. ORV’s 24TRX seems much more logging road rugged with no slide, huge frame and suspension upgrades- and the factory is nearby. The 21G looks to actually be able to handle a Honda Talon, just nicer interior layout. Schwintek, but it’s on a quite small slide…
Toy hauler patios are awesome if you camp in a State with no bugs, no wind, no rain or no extreme heat or cold, but unfortunately I haven’t found that place yet so an awning and patio mat works just fine for me🙂
Pretty cool! Thank you sir. I think the lack of patio option is due to it would eat into cargo / toy room. That is plausible unlike the lack of stable steps. As far as a door open with the ac going I always heard from my dad "your letting out all the store bought air!"
@@JoshtheRVNerd TBH, i think they are all tied for #1, I forget the #'s on them. one is a front full bathroom followed by the bedroom then kitchen then den/sitting area with basically a full entertainment center and floor level footsy toaster as you call it. the other was one with a bunkroom a bunk room, know there are so many of those. but I remember seeing one I fell in love with specifically. I would have to go through the ones in my like list. my liked list viewable by any one who can goes to my channel .
I considered this one. Then looked at the 25G in person & was hooked! So much more room around the bed in bedroom & in the living area with slide out kitchen. The base on the hanging closet doesn't seem very sturdy. Still trying to find out how bad the generator bay right underneath the bed would be? Old sneakers are the best!
Nice unit. Out west there's a lot of National Forests, National Parks, logging roads and areas where you can boondock/play off grid. In higher elevations you can do less AC but occasionally 90° and high humidity happens. I am a Midwestern Gal (Northeast Ohio) but my other half is a PNW Gal so our camp style is a blend of the 2. 50% campgrounds and 50% of the beaten path - damn Oregonian has me always exploring the logging roads when we're out there...I am tired of tent camping out there and think we need a off road trailer.
I love, love what Grand Design is doing with that upholstery in their products. I see a niche for this type of hauler, but.... Still enjoyed the video, as usual.
This one was my top “dream” pick. GD does the 3 season doors on it too and is EPIC! One was on show sale in 2019 in CA for $39k …if only we knew what the market would do 😜 This is too heavy on hitch weight for us though (now I know) . I also love that they have the taller overhear cabinets and big windows. Makes a big difference!
This is similar to a floor plan you featured recently that you mentioned as a potential use for a handicapped person. That particular unit had a really lovely deck on the back and to me it is kind of odd that this toy hauler doesn't make into a deck but maybe in the region of the country this is manufactured for it's too hot to use a ramp patio most of the time? I am a whole Midwestern girl so I would certainly think a patio would be useful but that's just me. I do like the bed layout with the slide and perhaps that long countertop could be useful for a CPAP or other equipment you might need for your health. Those corner shelves are cute but they might hold a glass of water or some type of chachki but other than that they don't seem too useful your phone would probably fit up there with your glass of water but I don't know how close that would be to the USB port to be able to charge your phones whereas you may have to leave the phone on that counter above the dresser drawers. It's an okay unit but not sure that it would be something I would be super interested in.
I've heard some folks who desert/dry camp a lot don't like the patios since they need the door closed for the A/C Not sure if that's the reasoning but it's the best guess I have
Just seemed strange to me to not see it on here. Mentally for me it's weird seeing a ramp patio on a higher end unit like this be optional when it's standard on stuff like a grey wolf
Convection Microwave? Never had one . Don't know how they work! Cpap and bipap. it's close. the hoses are 6 foot long. You could pack a good solar system in the generator pocket!
We own a 2021 Momentum 21G. The new model has some great updates that makes me a little jealous. Unless they’ve made a change, The queen in the 21G is a short queen, not a full size queen. Also, there is an option for the rear patio deck with awning, 4 season doors, and patio fencing. It’s not a cheap option, but is very nice.
I'd have to re-measure but I was pretty sure that mattress was a true queen. I could be wrong -- I've made mistakes before certainly. A few others mentioned something similar so I'm likely incorrect.
Also, I would not recommend a half ton for this. Hitch weight for ours is typically 1250#. Frontal area of trailer it about 10-15% more than standard trailer. CAT scales show our typical weight without toys is just over 8000#
This unit was 3rd on top 5. My dirt bikes are going in the truck bed or the hauler. Either way, I'm stuck with the weight. I seem to recall the option of glass patio doors but maybe thats only an option when you have the patio - which I think is make sense with a toy hauler. In the end, I'm still good with my decision on the Ember 190 due to its smaller foot print. 21G is really nice though. Wish they offered something similar but 2-3 feet shorter as I only need to accommodate 3 dirt bikes and not and SXS. Thanks for another great walkthrough... and I +1 Wm Schooley note about the stats block.
I don't always comment on your videos. But, I'm giving it a shot. This is really nice for a short toy hauler. I'm glad I waited till ii was finished to comment. I was going to say that since the rear didn't make a patio, a decent bug screen to put up in that area (w/magnets) would be great. But then you showed that they included one. Just wondering, are the 2 recliners movable, so you can see the TV better? Hope so. +The bathroom is good for this size, and if you forget your towel, it's a good thing the bedroom is right there. It wouldn't be hard to put up a small cabinet/ shelf, or better yet a few command hooks strong enough for towels. Then they are already there. 😎 I'm not an very well versed on regions and 5th wheel patios, so nothing wise there. Maybe it was done to keep the weight down?? I would say that the outside area at the campsite could easily be used, given the awning & lights.
If I can get my hands on one, certainly. Had lots of requests for it. I can record nearly anything in the market, but we don't carry many things at my "home" store in southern michigan. So I batch-record things like this when I can as I travel around
Well this is a video I can comment on, we just moved up from our beloved Imagine 2800BH to a new Momentum 25G. I looked at a lot of the competition “smaller haulers” like MPG, Stryker and a few others but none of them could hold a candle to the Momentums even with the price difference. The MPG 2700TH was nice lower cost unit but was missing so much (no generator or prep, no fuel tank, no three season doors, no rear awning, China bomb tires, no insulation to speak of, thinner floors… the list goes on) but for the price it was a bargain. The Stryker’s were better but still not the quality feel and finish of the Momentum. Once you walk those other trailers and the walk into the Momentum, you know you’ve moved up in class. As for the patio, I fully agree. Buying a toy hauler without the patio is nuts. It’s easily removable if you don’t need it for a while but it makes the rig so much bigger. The three season doors are a must though to keep the AC in, those screens just don’t work for that. It took a few years for GD to offer the three season doors but they are finally here. Don’t forget the construction of the Momentums, 1 inch floors, R40 insulation etc. No one else lists R value for walls and floor etc. There is also a screen item under the trailer usually near the back, you will find a loop welded onto the frame, the call it “MoSecure”. It’s meant to run a lock cable through it to lock up your toys! Handy item though of course you could just run a cable around the frame at the tongue. Give us a review of the 25G next Josh, you will be blown away by how much bigger the bedroom is and the better kitchen layout. Only issues are the awning does not cover the outdoor kitchen (huge fail there GD) and the front rain gutter pours rain water right onto the front 120v outlet!!! Oops. Still we prefer it’s layout (28G has a similar layout but still prefer the 25G).
great one.... only thing i dont like is ramp is not patio, it is not exactly hard to add legs to hold ramp up... but that would not at all stop me from getting this one at all, i do live where it would be hot often, and it would be closed mostly, but at night that would be a nice stable place to put a telescope.
@@JoshtheRVNerd ah good, probably would not use patio that much myself, ramp up or ramp down 90% of the time anyway, but still want the option, are many situations i could see myself in i would totally want it, especially if not bringing toys, like just sitting watching fireworks, i would not probably ever leave toy outsdie unless was a full side by side or golf cart type size thing, nor would i ever leave ramp open at all, porch or otherwise when i go to bed for the night, kinda defeats the purpose of rv if a bear or cyote can just walk in the back door and go thru your kitchen and take a nap trapping you in the bedroom all day, let alone the wild 2 legged things that can pop up in the oddest remote places. you know things are bad when people camping out in the boondocks still wake up to their bicycles missing in the morning etc.
Josh ive been watching for quite some time now (& not in a creepy way lol) I need a TH but just dont like the layouts. this one tho is just different enough.. I do wish it had the patio (they should all have that option frankly) and just a couple feet longer. this would work for me & the Mrs.
Wow! Josh, This is the first toy hauler I am in love with. The finishes luxurious, not industrial and recliner chairs. Patio would be nice tho. Could a custom size smaller mattress be ordere so its not scrunched and still be useable in road mode?
This TT should come with a rear awning, patio enclosure and three seasons doors. Also more solar, if boondocking. All the covers should be white. One last thing, tankless water heater, 6gal. just don’t cut it. Thanks
Yes, though remember with a fuel station present you cannot fully enclose the belly in that area due to fire code. GD adds extra layers of insulation into the garage floor to help. They have tested these from 0-100 degrees
@@marcvere5747 I wasn't able to record EVERYTHING in that display. I had three days and recorded about 26 or 27 units, but had a wide variety of things to cover
Hi, Josh We really appreciate all of your videos. We went to the Tampa RV show and enjoyed looking at the Ember Trailers. We are in the market for a travel trailer with a box length of 25 to 30 feet. It would be nice to see Ember build one in that size range in a couples trailer. Now that your are with Bish's we would like to see you review two trailers that we really like. That includes the Dutchman Astoria 2703RB and the Grand Design Imagine XLS 23LDE. Is there any chance that you will feature one of theses two travel trailers?
There’s also an issue of the belly not fully being enclosed in the garage area due to the presence of a fuel cell (fire code) Unless it’s HARD freezing though I wouldn’t expect issues
They have done a really nice job on this unit putting a lot into a limited amount of space. The kitchen has a good amount of storage well laid out especially given it’s compact size. I agree that they should have wrapped the backsplash around. Nerd next time you talk to a manufacturer that could be a great question to ask. Why don’t any of them do that? I would make the space above the fridge a cabinet and I’d move that speaker to a box mounted above the bathroom door. My other criticism is in the bedroom. That corner hanging cabinet seems like it could be a lot more. All that vertical space in the outside storage above the door that goes up to the roof is by and large wasted. I’d be taking all that space and making it into interior bedroom storage. Like a second cabinet above the one that’s there and some shelves behind the hanging area. Yes it’s not the most convenient storage but it’s useable unlike what they have now. Re the door I’m not a toy hauler guy but aren’t the “patio” doors winched up and down by cables? They probably felt they didn’t have room for that system in this unit.
I actually was very pleasantly surprised with the kitchen. LOT of storage there and smart use of space -- you don't often find that in haulers. Bedroom storage is without a doubt a challenge with this concept .
Weird…all of the ones on the east coast have rear awning and patio kit. Do you not recommend a 1/3 ton due to the height/width or the weight of everything. We haul bikes and kayaks and small kids. Thx
Dude, I think I'm either doing this one or the 23G. Literally deciding this week. Best option for family - flexibility to bring the toys. All the new baby stuff - I'm doing it. The only question I have is the King bed worth the extra 300 lbs at the hitch. Overall weight difference is only about 400 lbs. Also wish you all had a dealership down south. Too far to the closest Bish's to be realistic plus you don't have the 23G's in stock. Almost makes me feel like I need to pull the trigger even more. They're not that easy to find.
We have a store in Longview, TX but I don't believe they carry Grand Design. However.. one of our staff members there COULD get one of these thru a sister store for you
I didn’t see any 23G’s in stock on your website but obviously websites can miss inventory. Also seeing how Grand Design has made pricing very uniform across dealerships
Half ton - question. Do you feel a half ton could do this if hauling nothing? We have no real toys to haul except 2 ebikes. So we would have nothing in the hauling section. Just curious and BTW we love watching you !!
Man I'm squirming thinking about it here. _In Theory_ there are half-tons with the proper capacities to tow this RV. But man.. it's big, wide, and tall. It feels like a lot behind a half-ton. I definitely wouldn't attempt it with anything less than a really max tow/payload half-ton and only in more flatland conditions. I wouldn't personally tow this with any half ton over long distances
They do have cougars in that area though I didn't see anything I didn't already have on file from my Coldwater, MI home store When I travel I specifically try to target stuff I CAN'T get here to ensure max coverage and variety!
I really like this size toy hauler but I wouldn't haul toys. With family spread out all over the country this would be the perfect family hauler. Travel is so expensive nowadays food, motels, car rental, and flights. This could be a motel on wheels small enough to park anywhere and the generator to power all your needs when you stop for the night. Plus you won't have to try parking those 40ft land ships at uncle Bob's house.
Any other toy haulers this length that actually have a rear porch option? This ticked off a lot of boxes but what's the point of a back door if it can't be used as a porch....
Yes. Almost all of them in fact. It’s standard on many that are smaller and less costly actually. Optional on these. Was just surprised it wasn’t there
Can you pull this with a 2020 GMC Sierra 1500 at4 duramax 3.0 diesel? My tow sticker inside the door says 9000lbs. Planning on loading a 4 seat can am in it too.
This is what our family wants without it being a toy hauler and replacing some of the seating with twin bunks for kids. Love the compact design with a slide. So tired of seeing the same ol standard layout.
I'd like to see a ramp patio; we've got a Rockwood Mini Lite 2205S and sometimes with we had a toy hauler for our dogs, and a ramp patio would tie in with our dog shows and travel with the dogs quite well. We do have a hard 25' length limit for storage though, so this trailer might be too long for us regardless.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Yeah, with 2 people and an open floorplan there is plenty of room, until you add 3 dogs (even if they are Corgis) and a bird. Also, if we wanted to work while traveling, there sinply isn't enough room without sending one of us outside, which depending where we are may or may not be workable. Our original requirements were 1. Fits in driveway 2. Works well for dogshows, and our trailer does both admirably - but there isn't enough room to fit in much flexibility for other function, like having an office, having more space for the dogs during the day (patio), or even more traditional modes like sleeping guests. All of those things are possible, we just have to impliment the solutions for them outside of the trailer with exercise pens around the door side, a tent & air mattress for guests, and/or setting up an office in the truck or getting creative with camp furniture and electronics.
OK, what's the deal with that ROOF LADDER? I can't wrap my head around how that detached top step and handles are supposed to work! Did it seem obvious to you Josh?
Josh I have a Toyota tundra conventional cab with a 51/2 ' bed. It has a 5.7 v8. Could I pull this with a Yamaha wolverine in the Toyota hauler? I watch all your videos so your advice would be much appreciated! Thanks!
First.. you just took me down memory lane. We had a pair of Yamaha Warriors when I was growing up. I always wanted a Wolverine for a little more "off the trails" kind of use. Never got one. Perhaps one day. But now I'm older. And fatter lol :) Anyway.. to the point: Without actual specs on a vehicle I cannot normally confidently provide towing advisory. However in this case I do feel I can confidently advise against trying to tow an RV of this size/weight with a Tundra. I would love to earn your business.. but I will not do so by sacrificing your safety. Here's some extra info that got me to my feeling on that pairing: • The GVWR (aka maximum weight with full cargo) of this RV exceeds what I am finding as a Tundra max tow capacity. Even if you don't load FULL cargo you are still required to be able to handle it. • The hitch weight of this thing is really high and likely to outmuscle the payload rating of your vehicle Either one of those things would be an immediate red flag. Both is a strong "I wouldn't recommend it" I hate being the bearer of bad news but hope you can appreciate the concern here
Possible reason for yellow wall at Idaho store. Yellow - Intensity and Memory Yellow is tricky. According to the APA, using it as a nursery or playroom color can increase moodiness in babies and young children, causing further outbursts. However, in Social Media Marketing, yellow is noted as a happy color. A better way to put it would be that yellow is an “intense” color. There’s a reason highlighters and no 2 pencils are yellow - it can stimulate the brain to remember more information. It follows that, as a highlight or accent color, yellow can do the same thing for your customers.
Owned one, the bed on the slide sux, real noisy in the rain. No storage inside or outside. I lime brand design, traded for a 350g. Not a true queen, its a camper queen bed. 1/2 towable..nope bought a 3/4 ton diesel to tow it. Good weekend camper not for a week
Call for Price, GRRRRRRRRR At the least give us the MSRP (caught the sticker price next to door) Nice tank sizes! Little on the heavy side for me. Give me ramp patio or give me death.
Remember that price off the door was good for that unit on that day. Pricing can vary by location (due to shipping), equipment, and MFG'ing invoicing at the time of build. That's why I leave links in the description. That being said GD literally does not allow us to publish anything but MSRP. It's not my favorite policy.
@Josh the RV Nerd at Bish's RV I clicked the link and it says "Call for Price" That is what I am talking about. I have seen other Bish listing that lists MSRP with a "call for price" underneath the MSRP. That is fine. But this link only has "Call for price."
Whomever decided that they needed dirt flooring needs a 'bit' of constructive feedback. Wha-Wha. That would be an amazing RV show but peeps are going to be mad about the mud on their shoes.
Josh, I'm just not sure if you're a superb salesman or an evil mastermind. I know what kind of toy hauler I want. Done tonnes of research. Watched many of your videos...and yet here you are offering a terrific alternative to what I want to buy...that's either pure genius or pure evil 😈...🤔 Yes, if like to see the glass doors on the back. I'd leave the patio open year round (I live in GA) and can get away with that.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I checked to see the price, but it said "call for price"...being at work, I didn't call...miss Haylett's website. Far more information like hitch weight, GVW max cargo weight...etc. Bish's is very limited in the information they provide. You should push for having your video chart included on each trailer. Just a thought.
@@rvail136 Grand design literally does not allow us to publish pricing. It's frustrating. We're only allowed to offer pricing by customer direct request to a store directly. Sorry about that.
They should be sued if they say a half ton can pull this, with normal loads. It’s a pig! ATC has this by miles, or a custom Charmac or R and R trailer is half the weight, nicer stuff when you are all done, plus, those trailers are ZERO wood, aluminum decks.
