** Full Debate** End Of Atheism!? Suboor Ahmad Vs Aron Ra | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park 

Few Reasons why I believe Quran tobe the Word of God - 1) Mathematical Miracle 2)Linguistic Miracle 3)Numerical Miracle 4)Historical Miracle 5)Scientific Miracle 6)Fulfilled Predictions 7) Miracle of no 19 Ask these 9 simple questions to any Atheists and dare them to answer it. 1)How the Universe Arose from Nothing with specificity and pattern? 2)How Life Arose from Non- Life? 3)How Morality Arose From Materials? 4)How Extreme Fine Tuning and Design Arose From Chaos? 5)How Reason and the Laws of Logic Arose from Matter? 6)How Mind Arose From Mud? 7)How Mathematics Arose From Molucles? 8)How Human Freedom Arose From Blind Repetitive Forces? 9)How Consciousness Arose from Chemicals? If Atheism is true then we have no chance to know it becasue Reason and Thoughts are just chemical reaction in the Brain. Chemicals dont reason they react. Rationality and Mathematics are the product of Mind not Matter. If you a product of Blind, Naturalistic, Mechanical Process How can you Trust your Mind? Tell them to answer it without using their mind... lol

xiayo levis maasha Allah Absolutely amazing Thanks bro jasakallahu Khayr

Kit Kat 😂😂 when you using kafir (who means Nonmuslim) word it made me laugh wallahi came down bro even video is no bad maasha Allah the best debate i have ever seen. May Allah/God bless them for updating to us.

@@xiayolevis6033 Coming from a 7th century Arabian warlord who say the sun sets into a pool of murky water and god told him that. I mean seriously Muslim you guys need to do so much better when telling us you got all these answers from a flat earth book. None of the question you listed can be answered by your Quran. Assertion does not count as an answer to anything really.

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Obaid Joyan Yes because Aron was simply asking about scientific evidence for a god. Philosophy is not scientific evidence. Aron clearly states that if the man in red would like to debate in that manner, then this debate would need to take place online so that he has the time and access to the internet so that he can look up the references. Instead of simply discussing evidence, the man in red decides to speak nonstop about a topic that Aron does not have a background in and also has nothing to do with scientific evidence... The man in red was clearly trying to win a debate, not prove the existence of a god.

God’s existence is a self evident truth. Everything we look at we are reminded of god’s creation. You guys are claiming there is no god and that the universe came from nothing then proof it.

Obaid Joyan heres how bad your argument is. It is self evident that the universe came from nothing. Everywhere we look we are reminded that the universe was created from nothing. And by the way i never said the universe came from nothing. Maybe it is eternal. Maybe there are infinite universes and this one was created out of another universe. Nobody knows. At least there is evidence pointing to those theories being true. Unlike any of the millions of gods throughout human history.

Obaid Joyan that what is a reality?

Obaid Joyan which god?

@Ogfehnv Hiopg Thanks brother, jazak allahu khayran :)

Subboor is arguing from authority about things that are irrelevant. Aaron is expaining things he understands.

lemme know when a scientist discovers god. quotes do nothing. they prove nothing. you can quote scientists saying god is real and other scientists say god is not real. so is god real or not with their quotes? so maybe next time think about the honesty you are presenting. stop making assumptions your god is fake

@Gwwc’mp Éfghœ noone said coincedence wen da fuk did i say that

@Gwwc’mp Éfghœ in accordance natural laws. And that still isnt proof of ur fake ass god

Look stupid hahahaha

Yes😏

XD most funniest comment i've heard this week

He looks based doe

man i wish

Sikander Amin Cose he needed help and Suboor denied for everyone to help him

@@samirahsamir6930 Agreed and when Suboor denied them to help him they got offended cos their prophet was left out there hanging to dry all alone in front of their eyes and they couldn't do anything about it :D

@@sikanderamin6096 that moment when an atheist would low key think, "God, God, why has you forsaken me?!"

Brabus Mercedes clearly you don’t understand English.

Brabus Mercedes 😂😂😂 very limited vocabulary I see. Almost as much as Aaron

I know it does hurt

Arguing with a atheist and making them come to a reality is pretty hard and a long topic so really what did you expected his answer to be?

@@satorugirl8091idk just like any sort of evidence that isn’t in a ancient book

I'd argue Star Wars has more cred that whatever Suboor is dishing

lol Yea Suboor was debating definitions and meaning but where is the actual proof of God?

Aron never thinks 😂😂 he so lost as it is showing in the video, it's clearly, he doesn't know what he is talking about.

@@KingDarkHacks ill take a dummy over a muslim extremist bomber any day! :) aloha snackbar!

@I'm God, BEOOOTCH Why?

@I'm God, BEOOOTCH fuck u

@I'm God, BEOOOTCH fck whatever you are

@I'm God, BEOOOTCH Fuck you too bitch

The mic is closer to him and he uploads the material that he manages to record with his equipment. They were talking in the same tone.

Good Comment..Aaron ra is a troll..he was trying his best to escape from Subbor

@@arman7648 suboor is a stupid man who just want to win, shouting over others and don't want to understand anything.

@@skepticoeye6785 And how was he "stupid"??

@@FullyAutomaticAddict410 He was stupid because his goal was never to understand the point of Aaron and to answer questions honestly, he was only searching fight and fake glory with sophistic.

@@FullyAutomaticAddict410 Because he doesn't listen, Aaron can easily tell suboor what he wants to hear and sum up his point but suboor couldn't do the same Aron

Lol

I agree. It shows how ridiculous his claims are and his misunderstanding of everything in science. Genetic drift IS the driving force for evolution. Natural selection works with it. I shows that when someone plays word games it can leave even the most knowledgeable dumbfounded by their sure arrogance

Yeah golden at showing how ignorant this Muslim is. A grown man believing in fairytales made up by men hundreds of years ago.

He did

Maybe if you actually listen then you would disagree. The louder one is Aron btw, Saboor was calm and collective. People (including aron) keeps interrupting saboor. How bout this (lemme correct your quote) "The One whom keeps interrupting the other does not make him or her right, but rather make him a loser."

You're a dmb knt

I mean Saboor has a mic attached to him the others don't, so it makes complete sense

Dude r u serious he literally just abuse Ra no bias

yeah.. lol... may be the name will no longer "submarine"

@the truth No problem, maybe it will. Keep reading.

the truth - I am not that good, but I hope this helps. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zor1et-rT8c.html

the truth 1:I am a Muslim that’s Voluntarily submits my will to god 2:god is One.independent.nor does he have children or parents,he is the sustainer of all,there nothing like him, He is unique 3:we make our relationship if your pious and good you’ll have good one a good relationships with Allah is you gain his love and rewards 4:were on earth because it’s our test platform like when you have a exam you use paper or a computer as a platform for testing 5:Our duties is to worship Allah and avoid sin as best as possible 6:our life goal is(really just look back at #5) and to live a successful without making sin so you could become a billionaires in a halal way(gets your money in a halal way) but you spend it for the good like obviously you can live a luxurious life but don’t be arrogant and forget to help the poor. If you questioned any of this plz informed and I’ll try my best to make it easier

the truth I’ll answer to my best of knowledge if you don’t find it satisfying plz go find a more knowledgeable person then me 1:I agree I see what I went wrong Muslim is a flower of religion but for humanity it’s slave of god since he created all of ours but polytheism people and atheists maybe agnostic will disagree 2:we both agree 3:What’s your opinion and your thoughts about this then I’ll evaluate both our answer since I don’t have the correct words to put in thx 4:God stated heaven are for the good not the bad so he put us on earth to test our loyalty to see if we’ll remember him and listen and if you fail intentionally to do that you’ll be punished but if the message never came to you you won’t be punished our rewarded you’ll be give a minor test 5:I think your asking why but what it means to worship in Islam is performing ritualistic acts like prayer fasting charity making dua(invocation) 6:I didn’t know what you meant by animal do it as well plus animal isn’t a species that Allah is testing But it is use for testing us such as how we treat them and kill and eat them in halal ways

He knows what he believes - he just isn't interested in philosophy and makes this quite clear. Suboor persisted because, well, it is easier than talking about evidence when you have none...

@@divinity176 he doesnt know what he believes, simply he can't prove it, and subbor shew that in this debate 🤷‍♂️

he contradicts what he believes after being explained what belief r what

@@abdopower5913 He can prove it. that is why Subbor got no where with this

@@ishaaqahmed3673 contradicts? who? not Aron. Saboor probably contradicts himself but who will know? nobody will ever make anything understandabke from that gibberish he spew.. quantummechanics and copernican interpretation. .. 🤣

@Dr.yoyocube _____ Perhaps, but that sounds like a subjective point of view.

@@FanboySpawn if u do the research then you will know( when I say research I mean the stem where it originates the scholars)

theres a video embryo = leech search it on youtube

@@dryoyocube1324 I fail to understand what you're saying.

@@FanboySpawn Aaron needed all the help he could get son because he was getting buried in this conversation 😂

SirSethery lol that sucks

That’s nice of you! I hope u have a nice day as well! Not to often atheists say nice things in the comments.

Anthony Maurice what does that have anything to do with an atheist being nice?

unusual score Ammen

Amadu Bah same about believers

Where?

Aj Topper 35:09 I also got annoyed by that gesture. Classless rat.

May be the scotish guy is gay and afraid from my nigga hijab.

Hijab is a real nigga that dick head scotish had no and has no idea about manhood.

I've spoken to him before. He's hard to deal with, very fidgety too, moves around a lot.

Ok they were both talking over each other so by what you just said they are both wrong because they both didn’t allow each other to talk. That’s not how it works. Just because they both like to talk doesn’t mean that they are wrong it just means they like the sound of their own voices.

@@christopherpizzimenti6573 who are you talking about? Aron Ra didnt talk over anyone else.

@@matswessling6600 I don’t know what video you’re watching but he was doing it the whole time. They were both interrupting each other

@@christopherpizzimenti6573 he was just trying to leave while the Muslim guy need a 17 part explanation to prove a point no one cared about. Aron Ra is class act... unlike this preacher who I know from talking to Muslims is considered an extreme kind of Muslim by his own people. Many Muslims say they do not listen to this kind of extreme Muslim as they are more interested in likes than god

@@joehaton6086 that’s not even what I was talking about. I said they were talking over each other. That has nothing to do with anything that you said at all so I don’t know why you said any of that.

You can pause and look up in Internet

he doesnt want someone else to prove that Aron he doesnt what he's talking about

Typical Muslim argumentative strategy; slipperier than the Creationist Christians, even.

You are talking about whom? Subhoor or Aron

No-one ever accused Subhoor of being honest. If he's talking he's misrepresenting someone or something.

It’s called setting up a premise, clearly Aron was ignorant of the diverging definitions so it made sense to lay flat the map to orient the conversation into understanding the different approaches to evidence within science.

@@NajashiProductions 🤪

That clearly prove that Aaron has a narrow field of knowledge and that ahmed had to explain every little thing

@@stickwood8071 umm nothing you said matches my comment

“ If you can't explain something to a 6 year old then you don't know it yourself ” simple as that

Hahaha Mickey Rourke 😂😂😂

Thanks thats where I remember him from, he was the lamest villain too

No it's the bad guy from pocahontas

His the Rockers want to be.. 🤣

It's the real one, in real world.

Ameen ameen 👍👍

Ameen

Ameen

Ameen

Ameen summa Ameen

Aaron Ra is an actual moron. Can't believe he spends his life arguing againt theism when he gains no benefit from it.

@Sruenach I haven't the time or energy to engage with anyone who is convinced of the existence of Abraham's God, Jewish, Christian, or Muslim. If you find yourself in the Austin, Texas area... I'd meet to discuss face to face. Otherwise, enjoy your self-deception and have a beautiful life.

pbta only Muslims understand science All scientists are Muslims and non of them are atheist Hahahahab

They are lost by choice

@@pollykerr7092 I wish i could reply to your personal beliefs. Next time read back what you comment and think for once should I really post this nonsense? Does it make sense me making claims that I've not read myself? But I'll ask you a question. What's scientists being atheist have to do with if there is a god or not? Science has no means to test if there is a god or not. Scientist's themselves will testify we do not have the means to test the super natural. Didn't use your scientific brain did you? Also you said evolution as though there's only one type? Again you're replying with info you know nothing about which proves the point YOU'RE a blind follower. Just for the record the evolution of man (the evolution I'm thinking you're talking about) becoming an ape is just a theory which today MOST scientists other than celebritie scientists(whom have no recognition in the scientific world) do not believe because its laughable when you look at the evidence a simple tiny bone fragment that an artist drew into a half ape crap as an illustration. Over 200 scientists at the time of darwin proved his claims as false. Also if you bothered to read darwin origin of species he himself didn't believe his own theory. (but you don't read (😁 smily face as you don't read so hoping you understand emojis ) As for man made Koran you made a claim prove it. You can't because as your reply proves you don't READ things. And lastly please learn to put a question together what you commented took me a damn near 30 minutes to figure out it looked as though a 5 year old replied. Good day. Oh yes by the way. There's no God but Allah and muhammed pbuh is the last and final messenger of Allah.

@@SIFT20 learn to post proper sentences in English.

@@pollykerr7092 Why are you saying scientists disagree with the embroyology facts in the quran that no one knew until 30 years ago? Bring me any relevant scientists who specializes in embryology/development who says its wrong? If you bring the "blood clot" argument, then I would take it as you don't know arabic or islam to even speak about knowing.

Amin

Who the fuck is this allah????

He has little knowledge of science, he knows lots of words though. So many, many, many words.

@Elric Anderson okay, explain why?

@Elric Anderson Sorry, but give me a Scientist everyday. Knowing words, and understanding their meaning, are two very different things. He doesn’t have a good knowledge of biology, yet argues with someone who is very well versed in the field. That is an idiot. He uses the argument from authority fallacy over and over and over again. The guy is a tool.

Read the Quran the Bible And Every holy book of all the religion, make comparison then conclude. Don't just say no proof while u never read any of them

@@iamriyo6255 I have a Theology degree, dumbass

😂😂 yore so funny , indeed he is one of the genius who is ready to become an animal like with no good and bad but be a selfish ' WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE CAN' punk.😎

@@__ABDULLAHD-dz7oo I don't follow your "holy" books because nothing about them is proven to be anything but man made. I don't need a book to have ethics or morals. You stand in judgment, thinking you know better than everyone else because of a book written by very flawed humans.

@@matthewjohnson1577 bro have you ever read holy literatures, look im a Muslim i believe allah(The no other but one god), with the religion and its commands make me peace , and something to believe that 'everything is gonna be ok ,my god is with me' that makes a man an unstoppable,unresting and to have peace at same time , my religion gives a worth to every problem i meet. And i teachings of islam is far more than good , you may accept or deny there is no forcing in islam , ill give you an example just youtube the teachings of islam about how you should have relationship with your neighbours 😀 and im damn sure you'll be amazed

@The truth teller if you wants proofs of god , they are every where ! even in yourself .. for your knowledge , we are being tested if we come to blieve in god without seeing him or any thing clear .. so when you say there is no proof , you are not making any point .

@The truth teller try to read what i have wrote again ! you are saying something else ... every thing you wrote then is just so funny to me 😂😂 no comment

@The truth teller My brother in hummanity , you know if you read the first book that you mentioned it talks about those who says it's fairy tales it's just legends. also i will say that all these theories wich dominates the world now are more than fairy tales for me : I can't imagine all my good deeds and bad deeds are just molicules and atomes connected and disconected floting in space empty and also not empty , i can't also believe that the send alone can form a caslt , can't beleive a molicule in our bodies can stock billions of data more than the books of the world and some one says it just happened like that ( and moentions the a better mecanisme how it happened ) and doesn't say for WHAT PURPOSE ? FROM WHAT SOURCE ? i think that you r definition of god is fals, that is why you will not and if you continu you will nevere find reasons for it's existence if you do you will solve the two questions above.

@The truth teller Dude. The Quran is longer than 60 pages. What book have you been reading??? And saying that Islam has not contributed to the world or humanity in any way shape or form is ludicrous. I suggest you go look up some history. Astrology, mathematics, medicine, chemistry and much more has all had amazing contribution from Islamic scholars. Muslims are statistically the most generous people who give the most to charity than any other group. That's because of their faith and religion. That's just a small part of what Islam has contributed to the world. To say that it's done nothing is dishonest.

@The truth teller our god has a definition and can be explained by our logic you have to follow some questions and use probability necessity compering methods , if you use science you will learn about the effects of god not god him self not the first uncaused cause , as I said you think our god is like his creation it's a fals , and you think beleiving in god comes from the books no first it comes from our minds, well the basic caracteristic of god and then his messeges I said that the question of morality can't be solved by science you don't even know what is good you still basing some of it from religions, atheism is a colection of religion with out a uncaused cause it's a religion because it's based on also belief that there is no god but unfortunetly the the method and resons to reach it are not really good and fairy tales. Our religion islam came to remove the legends and fairys, and to force no one you are FREE TO CHOSE I ask god to help you in finding the truth , and thanks for you r advice i actually learn every day and the koran it s not 60 pages book you should look in to it some times it talks about many things .

Which means that hell is going to be full no matter what...how fucking stupid is that, It's so fucking stupid it's not even funny, guaranteed that there's tons of these so called believers who don't even believe in their own bullshit but guess what? There's good money in it so, push your bullshit well and there's suckers stupid enough to keep you going....money racket, that's all it is.

Eddy E And atheists aren’t a monolith either other than the fact that none of them can adequately account for reality. Perhaps, instead of making a sweeping statement, you should actually study religions and what they claim and follow the evidence where it takes you. However, if you discovered that a religion such as Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?

Armando Larade Why are you so upset?

THEN YOU LOST

@@johnlovestosing04 I am upset because in this day and age and with all the science and logic in this world and the fact that the bible has been debunked at an alarming percentage, holy crap, 90% of it is utter bullshit...that's why I am a bit upset, you want just a few examples, the exodus, never happened, Noah's ark, how fucking impossible is that, I can go on and on and on, but like in my previous post, it's big business and so the fact that these charlatans make millions of of it they have to pretend they believe it because they have to convince you to get you to drink the koolaid, simple as that...talking donkeys, burning bush, come on...it's all crap. When was the last time you struck up a conversation with a rose bush? Come on, be honest...

You talk shit and and accuse sahboor of exactly what u just did

Thank the Creator for guidance!

@@elliot7205 Which creator, and what guidance?

@@jeffersonian000 logically speaking there can only be one creator with many perceptions of the one creator. That final communication being the Quran to humanity.

@@elliot7205 That fallacious logic, specifically a false dichotomy. Prior the Islam’s belief in Allah as the One True God and creator of everything, Allah was known as YHWH, and YHWH was created by the Demiurge. Demiurge was created by Sophie, and then created everything else, including YHWH and the Leviathan that YHWH killed in order to craft its flesh into the Lands, and it blood into the Seas. This per the Destruction of Leviathan, an ancient Jewish scripture that predates Islam by over a thousand years. This doesn’t even include the creation myths of other cultures that also predate Islam by thousands of years. I’m sorry, but the Quran is too new to be true.

@@jeffersonian000your entitled to your opinions however your logic is flawed, whatever pre dates islam is irrelevant because I would ask what is there ultimate source? If there is a creator then it is the creator who would communicate to humanity informing us what the creator is and is not. The quran makes it clear, every prophet brought the same message to all nations so everything is islam and where there is a demarcation we would need a criteria and that is the Quran to determine where humanity may have got it wrong. May I ask what evidence did you assess that led you to reject the possibility of a Creator?

Ra was irrational but he will still have a substantial following of like-minded, irrational Atheists.

ronald 1776 he is loud because he has the microphone you idiot

ronald 1776 you sound like Aron 😂

Knowledge is true power

@@pollykerr7092 u made a couple fo claims which r wrong 1. No one thinks he has a Satan in his nose peeing in his ear or whatever shit u just made up 2. The quran has no mistakes. U r confusing to with the bible 3. He didn't say majority of scientists r irrational but said Ra was. And these bright intellects u r talking about r intellectual in their fields. Doesn't mean thy r the best in everything. Imo believing this world came fRom nothing is irrational af.

The Muslim was incoherent on simple foundations being explained by Aron Ra. It was like his goal was to be adversarial at every turn. With such a combative intent nothing of benefit can result. BTW Atheism wasn't even touched upon so the title is misleading.

@@veganath 😂😂😂😂😂

@@skrill3770 Please use an english name so the RU-vid editor isn't reversed and confusing for the majority of users. Did you want to make a argument for why I am correct or incorrect?

@@Alpine1996 *"Muslim obfuscates the debate with irrelevance"* A more accurate title. The question Aron Ra asked at the outset was for Muslims to furnish merit worthy evidence for their claim that their specific God they label "allah" exists.

Google what genetic drift is

Saboor is the tard that acts like he's a thug with his gang behind him of idiots similar to him LOL

@aiden nedai it doesn't need to be refuted it's all bs that's been debunked over and over. Also did you think that creating buzz phrases Such as "atheism tantrum" would make you look clever? It only proves the lack of argument by the use of red herrings

This "grave" you're describing is attempted entrapment. Attempted entrapment that was dismantled

@Mosaab or maybe I didnt see you until you commented? If you are going to be a pseudo intellectual without an argument just say that. Also I think you meant to say facts don't care about your religious fairy tales

@aiden nedai *"Ironic, because your comment is literally full of absolutely absurd baseless claims"* Like what? Something is not absurd or baseless just because you say it is. You need to prove it. *"I doubt you even understand his argument in the first place, you are also committing the red herring fallacy by not addressing anything made in the video"* It's not a red herring fallacy when the very thing you are speaking about has nothing to do with the video. Also, it sounds like you just learned about logical fallacies recently. I'd recommend actually learning what they mean before trying to use it in a sentence. Also my initial comment was addressing an individual that could not address video claims themselves but now you want me to do so even though my argument wasn't based on that? Seems I'm not the one making absurd baseless claims *"And only pointing out my comment that wasn't even supposed to be an argument in anyway"* You 'thought' it wasn't. Just like how you think a lot of other things about my claims but can't really address them with evidence. *"You are also biased at it's literally impossible to have a genuine discussion with an atheist without having to experience the various forms of twisting, ad hominem's and strawmans"* And there you go using fallacies you do not know anything about once again. First I want to point out that you are simply projecting your own flaws on to me because you know I don't experience them with you. Second, there were no ad- hominems. I don't understand why folks on the religious side always fail to use that word in the correct context. A simple insult is not an ad hominem unless your argument is literally based on the insult which mine isn't. Therefore there isn't an ad hominem. Also I have not misrepresented what you said not once, so unless you can provide the evidence that I created a straw man then you are simply looking for a victim card that is imaginary.

...and say...the pedophile Mohammed went on a flying horse to his invisible friend allah... you just need to believe it😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

Jens Coconuts clear how frustrated you are woth those repeated emojis. But you will only be worse in the hereafter if you do not repent, and Allah is ever ready to accept repentance

@@shlovaski8393 heaven and hell doesnt exist. They copied this from pagans religions. Monotheistic religions are bullshit.

DAS good. A dose of his own medicine .

@@fullforward8637 The only one that requires medicine is saboor.

@@chrischow9085 Aron ra is totally unhinged and it has been proven time and time again when live.

@@fullforward8637 "Aron ra is totally unhinged ": only for uneducated, and logically naive people. Aron never did stick to names to justify his claims, never changed subject repetitively, did not change definitions, never interrupted people, and did not do personal attacks! Are these professional attitudes "unhinged" for you? Then please show yourself to a doctor.

@@nomesa7374 never interrupts people, LOL yeah right my friend could hardly get a word in trying to talk to the psyco = ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O76YITgMYWk.html never gets unhinged = ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VltbNjLDyd0.html proof you are in deep love or lying.

Then you must ask yourself: how do you know it’s your day? Well, it depends on how you define possessions. Can you own a day? Then ask yourself this: what is a day?

Lol 😀😀😀

Arron: "It depends on how you define the pause between each word"

Another strawman due to lack of comprehension.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vNDYUlxNIAA.html

You can cry fool

😂

He didn't know the rules of Speakers Corner.

Postmodernism is to blamed. Postmodernism leads to anti objectivity which leads to bad metaphysics and causes people to favor positions which are absurd.

Your aron ra was schooled. He knows nothing about science

@@yusufnasiru1709 Good joke.

@@yusufnasiru1709 give me empirical evidence of Allah with no word salad

He seems to be on a level much higher than the guy wearing the stupid tee-shirt.

@@Funnyvidspersonlooks like that guy never gave evidence of the suicide bomber religion

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vNDYUlxNIAA.html

Yes, Suboor did that indeed

@@chengdublades the debate is about Darwinism Lol

😂😂😂

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💯🙌↗️😂

Underrated 🤣

I feel that description is more suitable for suboor.

He did not get defeated lmao

"defeated"

@@grimnir1eye454 true. he got wrecked

I think that will be he last trip to speaker corner..

To bad the bloke talking with him doesnt know how to or want an honest conversation. But would rather inflate his ego by misleading people to think hes some master of intellect.

@@mikelombard21 Lol he's master of intellect and intellgence compared to Aron, who easily betrayed his lack of such knoweldege and intellect and constantly contradicted himself, proved himself to be and illogical, unqualfied and for lack of better word: imbecile

@@TheKashmirUzi no hes not a master of intellect. Especially compared to aron. Im not even some aron superfan but from a philosophical perspective the guy debating with aron was an asshole. He cant answer any questions directly and plays around with words and definitions to make aron seem dumb but it just shows the guy cant even state his own beliefs and it makes him look like an idiot.

Michael Lombard cause it doesn’t suit you

It would be pretty interesting, since they can't actually confirm any of the claims they're making they're gonna have to resort to insulting each other's books. It won't even be who has the best book but who has the least bad one.

@Just a guy with a turban I don't know where you got that from as a conclusion, I'm saying that they just can't say that anything about their religions is true and actually confirm it. It doesn't matter what type of god(s) they believe in.

@Just a guy with a turban and the people with a more anthropomorphized god will tell you that praying to it and believing that it will answer "REALLY WORKS!!1!!" and that it's the proof of their god.

They will all agree that there is a higher being that created the universe. Especially Abrahamic religions.

@Just a guy with a turban That is exactly right, and what is your point? Your god is just harder/intentionally designed to be impossible to debunk than their.

Yes I can see how a person could be agitated by a religeous nut who claims "science is flawed" but still uses this "flawed science" to claim that their very specific God exist.

@@thinkingworldwide3578 well he never said science is flawed. You seem agitated . Lol

Constant appeals to authority. You need to go tell such and such scientist that says such and such thing that they're wrong is not a valid argument.

Quote mining and appeals to authority. Lol

@@skrill3770 I see so instead of making a rebuttal, you insult me by telling me I "seem agitated". You're a part of a religeon that thinks it's ok to kill anyone who doesnt agree with you, but I'm the angry one?

He dont know what he is talking about

the "prophet" muhammed raped a 9 year old virgin.

What's enjoyable about it? He's just bringing up random philosophy terms and citing random experts while also not knowing the subject himself. Ig though that he isn't trying to make sense and you people don't care if he doesn't, you care about him 'tripping up' non theists with his consistent nonsense

@@pollykerr7092 One life one test one chance dont waste it.. many prophets one God. Dont let your ego overtake your intellect

@@pollykerr7092 You're shackled by your false ideology of freedom you percieve this life to be natural without a creator only to avoid the fact you have to answer for it. No problem we'll all die one day.. your ignorance shows you no nothing of Islam. The Quran is not a book of science but it still contains reference to some scientific theories such as the speed of light and the big bang theory. Science is susceptible to change but what is in the Quran is a fact

Theists only faith in their god

@@HardKore5250 and all faith can do is keep you wrong.

@@sammas7422 If a god made a condition where everything eats one another to exist and without death you would starve i would consider that an evil entity.

Do you know what philosophy even means ?😂

James Gabriel idk if I’m dumb or something, but I seriously couldn’t understand wtf was going on. Felt like an acid trip.

Useless because the fat thor, doesnt even understand basic english.

Benson Okpegwa Maash Allah Ameen also may Allah protect from evil eyes

Samirah Samir Ameen sister

Write ALLAH TA'AALA in Capital letters out of respect.

@@samirahsamir6930 Ameen.

Yelling over the top of people is no great gift. This suboor fool don't know what he is talking about

After seeing aron confronted with facts, and face to face conversation? Na i don't see what you see. I see proper dialogue.

It's called philosophy of Science. Listen to coach Firas Zahabi as well.

him and his buddies usually try to make their admit to a contradiction then act like islam has the true god

@@Mhats I think he is beating the arrogance out of people, walking them through their incoherent thought process. People usually don't like when they are proven wrong. 🙂

@@letmespeakthetruth1601He can’t beat a 2 year old with that word salad.

@@FECtetra1918 That's the arrogance I was talking about. Pathetic..🙄

It's william if i'm not mistaken. I think he's good at philosophy, because he ever made a statement that is correct. He said: "In order for human to function together in society, they need shared axiom." and that is terrifyingly correct.

Proof of Allah?

aron and his friends were losing hard they started to interrupt and attack him from all sides shows that they cannot and dont wanna hear the truth.

TerrorCorpse could you clarify me with the truth and reasoning of why Mohammed married and had sex with a little girl?

@@LASLAY13 he didnt.

The guy in the sunglasses was a pretty smug individual, and Suboor Ahmad is pretty pompous.

@RAYfighter do you know what priest is?

@RAYfighter do i need to prove for not believing mars exist?

@LankyAlpaca Looks like you're watching a different video. Maybe you should look at the one on this page.

@Elric Anderson Sorry, I was watching a different video than you. I was referring to the one on THIS page.

again another outdated fan

He thinks is a man of science but doesn’t even know if he believes in scientific realism or scientific instrumentalism. *claps*

Because he doesnt even know what he subscribes too.

Ahmad won, just face it. Nothing that comes put of aaron is correct. Through out the video he makes 3 contradictions....

StOPPeD wAtChINg aFtER 5 mInUTeS jabber jabber dude thats all you uncultured beings can do. Your boy in another video couldnt even answer his simple question. Go watch his debates he has destroyed atheism completely.

😂😂

I noticed it as soon as you said it. The guy is lost in the philosophical jargon that Saboor is throwing at them . 😂

@@Alpine1996 you’re kidding right? Aron is definitely not ignorant on the evolution topic. Infact, you’ll find his opponent was the one who was ignorant. Evolution is a fact. Simple. I’d love for anyone of the theists, Muslim, Christian whatever, to give any and I mean any! Evidence or proof of their god.

No aron ra was schooled clearly

That is what atheist and their belief is... CHAOS. When you change you beliefs and statements every sentence. CHAOS.

@@sshhaarrppiiee it's not a belief. It's a lack of belief in the claims of theists. If you cannot get THIS ONE THING right, how can you get Anything right

chaotic monologue! No one could get in a word edgewise. The guy in the red shirt was a dork!

Invisible man? Atheism has convinced people that everything that exists came into existence out of nothing a looking long time ago. Hocus Pocus. Abracadabra. Use you logic. This comes from a visible man.

Tamer Aslantas what atheists say that?

George Carlin!

His not making great points his being logical and everyone else is being emotional

​@@thokozanihlatshwayo5328 exactly the opposite since all he's doing is bringing philosophy to a science fight, using unscientific terms no-one else cares for and using entrapment for a gotya moment for them youtube clicks. He can't even go 5 minutes without creating new definitions of words.

Just because the points being made are levels above what you're capable understanding.. doesn't mean he said a bunch of nothing.

Justify your premise that Evolution is a scientific position

@@thokozanihlatshwayo5328 I bet if could understand anything of what he was talking about!!!

Lmao HAHAHHA

but he was rude trying to force him to talk to him . if he dont want to talk to him its his decision but he make it look wrong

The Scottish guy doesn't know what he believes, he always stating he doesn't know anything, wondering why he needs to have conversation.

The Scottish guy is rude.

Nah, Irish guy is very malicious character in the park. He rudely interruptes into convos with an entitled tone

Suboor is incapable of tackling other peoples argument on the fly. He's an apologist, a preacher... Not an honest intellectual. He's a disgrace

Yeah so it be 2 persons discuss not a chaos

@@shroudedgrove4679 Ad Hominen. Did you look up his citations? If you have a clear rebuttal, provide it.

but he already subscribe to 1 of ot

Lolll seriously are you soo dumb that you fall in his trap and call yourself intellectual 🤣🤣🤣

@@animehunter007 Dude.. We're talking about reality here, trying to understand the world, who gives a fuck about a bad trap pulled in a debate ? Grow up.

He didn’t force him Aron agreed to it

@@vvigourt when i was a child i used to think that western people are very smart in scientific field, but when i grew up i realise that i was soo frickin wrong 🤣🤣 and for your comment, i'll say who the hell is talking about real life when you doesn't even know the basic knowledge of this cosmos, you need to grow up and find the answer, thank you 😊

Explain?

ccook2010 Romans 1:16 They twist the teachings and make interpretations

They continually lie and misrepresent what atheism is, who atheists are, what they do and don't believe, what they have and haven't said. It's fairly easy to see that when someone is more interested in telling you what you believe, think, say, that they not interested in any honest conversation. Especially these guys, I know the organization they represent routinely lies, not only about atheists, but also Muslims.

@@unosheem6210 So does all of God's representatives do this??

ccook2010 Romans 1:16 Yea and if they’re all different how would someone know they’re following the correct way of the Bible If you think about it realistically a high percentage of believers are unknowingly sinning and going to hell just because their believed interpretation is wrong

More like 80.

Is it really?

He is a clear huckster. Congratulations on being impressed by his BS. This guy doesn't listen to anything said to him and his whole schtick is to pretend he catches someone in a contradiction while he rough shots definitions. His Darwinian evolution rant never addresses the the mechanisms and what each one of them entails. He conflates sexual selection as being a contradiction to genetic drift. Aron explains what genetic drift actually is on multiple occasions. Then Saboor does this @ 25:30-25:45. Aaron can't take this man seriously because he doesn't understand anything about evolution. His job is to use enough big words to confuse morons to think what he says is smart.

His debt of bullshit also astonished me...

Can’t take much then

What a load of bullshit

​@@jenscoconutsit's hilarious coming from you who literally follows a man who's a heavy drinker

He gave sources for his beliefs and is talking about beliefs of scientists and scientific philosophers so tell me how is it that you win a debate if it's not this way?

They still want to see it with their own eyes but the truths are already there. Example, quran alr said earth is not a perfect sphere and it looks like an ostrich eggs. It also has been verified by the scientists

Because atheists deal with "facts" not "truths".

We must've been watching different videos, because Saboor continuously cited philosophers, scientists, and papers. Aaron on the other hand kept saying things and saying "oh its a fact thats the evidence" what a joke

@@ariqrashid4034 Citing philosophers wont lead to anywhere when you arent working on solving the issue at hand. What is a fact? A fact is what is consistent with reality, you can make as many citations as you want, but this definition is the only one that will transform in knowledge, and then, based on that, it will transform in useful knowledge that you can apply to determinate the truth of something else, even build real things that do work. If you use any other definition, its simply wrong. Why? Because it WILL BE inconsistent with reality and it WILL NOT advance knowledge and IT WONT be useful at all, just as a fart exercise to the mind. Having established this. Aron was not citing any paper, its not necessary. he was DESCRIBING what scientific papers actually discovered on the field, on reality. Turns out, that natural selection and genetic drift are the causes of evolution also turns out that genetic drift HAPPENS and will keep happening, regardless if natural selection is a factor or not. That is true, that is a fact, you dont need citations of philosophers, in fact, philosophers would have never discovered that. Everyone was pissed of because your dude is an idiot, and being the camera whore he is, grabbed all the time, was being rude to everyone, was stupid enough to not understand the fact that he was wrong, and provided 0 insight to an actual debate that was taking place. all he did was regurgitated stuff not really related to the conversation, refused to give his own thoughts (btw quoting any "authority" is worthless unless they are right, but again, they were even unrelated, so even more pointless). It was a waste of time for everyone.

​@Elric Anderson I posted a while ago, i wont watch the video again, i think i roughly remember what this is all about. Genetic drift and natural selection go hand with hand. The physical traits that allow an organism to survive, come from the genes. The organisms with the best apt genes that survive and is able to reproduce, pass their genes to the new generations. Though not necessarily an exact copy, a close variation of them, some more pronounced, some less. Over time, the most apt variation stay, the less apt variations recede or disappear. When you talk about natural selection, you are talking about genetic drift. When you are talking about genetic drift, you are talking about natural selection. The concepts may differ in paper, but is a fact than in nature, they are working together. It just happen. Science just explains what happens in nature. Science has proven that natural selection is the driving force of evolution = genetic drift is the primary force of evolution. Same shit, they work as 1. It doesnt matter how many philosophers define things. It doesnt matter which model they use. It doesnt matter how elegant they talk, If what they say does not match what happens in nature, ITS WRONG, and anybody without evidence that support the opposite is an idiot or a liar with an agenda. And guess what. Religions claim a lot of things, but dont have any evidence at all. And they guy is annoying as fuck

lol have fun living in confusion ahaha! its hard to debate with people who dont even know what they believe in, every time suboor cites philosophers and scientists aron gets triggered

@@akilhussain3272 Which philosophers he cited? Why did he cited non-muslim philosophers if non-muslims are the worst of the creatures?(Quran 8:58).

@@salomonkalou9002 bro all the best to you hope you live a fantastic life believing God doesn't exist.

Every Abrahamic faith shouldn’t believe in evolution otherwise it contradicts our books so he doesn’t.

Just bring another atheis debater please... ☺

@@1nsta528 LOL Philosophical bullshit dumbass.

chris chow oh it’s u again man your very ignorant LMFAO

@@1nsta528 That is all you got? What a loser.

@@1nsta528 taking 20 min just to define evidence sounds like bs.. he shifts the question to arron ra then basically tells arron he doesn't know shit.. arron ras like dude can't you just answer my fukn question? Sounds like bullshit to me.

And Muslims don't get offended when Muhammad is? Don't be a hypocrite bro

That’s incorrect! Brother Suboor actually has been rude to him by saying: “ He’s important and You’re not important” but later he apologized for it, And it’s all good.

@@saoud_alahbabi It was big of him to apologise even though that fella was the one interjecting.

Sikander Amin Yeah that’s correct, but I think he got upset because beforehand he was talking to Aron and Josh, and Suboor hijacked the conversation, Not saying what he did was wrong. But this is why I feel he got upset a little, And what made him more upset the comment Suboor said, But that’s from my point of view, And I can be incorrect. The best thing is Suboor apologized for his comment, And the guy Accepted his apology. Because the guy seems sincere and actually very decent compared to other Atheist who’s very stubborn and coming to debate for the sake of debating, Aswell the Christian missionary’s who have no Morals and ethics and all what comes from their mouthes is Hatred and sick comments towards our Beloved prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

@@saoud_alahbabi True. However I haven't seen the clip of how Suboor started the convo. If he highjacked it or not cos there is history between Aaron and Suboor, they have publicly debated before. So Aaron coming to UK will obviously make Suboor wanna go talk to him cos now he is away from his home and in Suboor's town. And yes this third fella is usually nice, and he is not new he is a regular and has spoken to most of dawah guys before.