Hartman not only recognizes Joker’s courage but also his intelligence. What Joker is saying, is “I’ve figured out the rules of this game, Sir, and I see the trap that you’re setting for me. Respectfully, I’m not going to walk into it.”
I’ve attempted to explain this scene to some folks and they think it’s a random series of events… why would Hartman carry the trash can around and confront Joker on religion? So he could toss the trash can, dramatically. It’s all theatre. He wanted Joker to stand up to him. Because he was looking for a leader to possibly fix Pyle. Normally Pyle would have been drummed out of the military but back then (and now) they needed to put IQ exempt folks to fill the junior ranks
@@ActuallyCPOSactually he used the trash can as a makeshift alarm clock. As someone who's actually slept through the light coming on... I can tell ya that the Drill Sgts get creative to those who don't wake up the second they're supposed to...
I like this scene. I like how Hartman actually shows a bit of respect towards Joker for no only standing up to him but also for sticking to his own religious beliefs. Remember Hartman did say “I am hard but I am fair”
Not to mention, Joker stuck to his guns despite knowing he was about to get punched. Squad leaders can't second guess themselves in the field when the bullets are flying and shit's blowing up left and right, and Hartman recognized that despite the psychological (and physical) beatdown that he was about to enact on Joker, Joker didn't back down.
@@raetekusu1 And why indeed would a civilization go as far as to send men to kill people from other civilization thousands of kilometers away under a clear predicate if their own people don't believe it? For all its failing a nation capable to breed people to stand their ground on their beliefs despite the threat of physical and financial punishment has at least made their own men something more than mere cattle.
@@raetekusu1- By Joker not bowing down in Basic Training, he sure as won't in combat. That's exactly what Sgt. Hartmann was looking for in all his recruits.
I was on Quarterdeck Watch in Navy bootcamp and would have to salute and address the instructors arriving on deck. Whatever they would say we would just have to say "yes/no, Chief/Petty Officer." So this was one time: *First Class arriving* Me: *salutes* "Good Morning, Petty Officer. Seaman Recruit-.." 1st Class: "Fuck you, Watch." *Walks past* Me: "yes, Petty Officer!" *Drops salute*
@@Charlezard. Good times being the watch standard lol my RDC came to me and told me to say “halt! State your business” at the next person to walk in and wouldn’t you know it a god damn master chief walks in and I say it and he tells me in his most calm voice smiling “hydrate” lol
To be fair, Emery was an Actual drill instructor brought on set to show the actors HOW to be a drill instructor. The director/producers just decided to hire him for the role instead. He technically wasn't acting, he was being himself. Lol
@@JikachiKreft came here to say this. They hired him as a consultant, and damn if he didn’t work his way into a role. Just his commanding presence-once I found out (I was 10) he was an actual DI, it all made sense. Nobody can “act” that well. 😂
@@JikachiKreft i love gunny but truth is he kinda weaseld his wa into the role over a year or so, while the original actor ended up playing the door gunner in the helo
Jacob Seed I don’t think he accidentally backed up into the wall. He did that I think, so he could stand at attention (I’m assuming as a sign of respect to the new squad leader). The wall just happened to be behind him. As you can see, Private Pyle did the same thing. I’m not familiar at all with military conduct/protocol, this is just my assumption.
caseyw1286 you were close, so when you’re instructed to fall out or pretty much leave and resume what you were doing you stand at attention, take a step back and then perform about face. And then walk forward
Saw this as a young military man, one of my shipmates said "dude, you have got to come see this movie". I was fresh out of boot camp, and the feeling, sound, look, character....all the nuances of that boot camp environment were captured so stunningly well. I didn't know who Lee Ermey was, but only knew a real drill instructor can do that level of accuracy.
Ermey was a Drill Instructor in real life and had been hired as s technical consultant for the movie. But once Stanley Kubrick saw how realistic his portrayal of Hartman could be Ermey took over the role. The original DI Hartman ended up playing the chopper gunner “you just don’t lead ‘em so much”. RIP Lee Ermey
@@Wildcat6319 If I recall correctly, they tried to script him at first, but it didn't work out. As a result, all of his lines are improv, and they're damn good
@@Wildcat6319 Not entirely true, Ermey actually requested to Kubrick himself that he be the DI, before that, he was just a technical consultant. I guess his pitch to Kubrick convinced Kubrick enough to make him one of the film's two main stars.
@@Wasserkaktus That's not entirely true either. There's an entire documentary I just watched today with him and others laying out how he was placed into that role. Ermey concludes it was happenstance rather than him pursuing the role. He was offered the role via various back-channels, and took it as he thought it was his duty in the pursuit of realism (prior to that role he had been working as technical advisor on the film).
This is still the most Marine Corps thing ever put to film. This scene right here. The entire "philosophy" of the Corps encapsulated in a scene. Great job cast and director. Legends.
When I was in Boot Camp, this same exact scenario happened multiple times to the point that upon rewatching this film as a Marine, I got severe deja vu and honestly felt a tinge of stress. My squad leader, Fairwhether got fired for losing a piece of his bolt, and completely out of nowhere our Senior Drill Instructor just randomly asked all of my squad to raise our hands. He took one look at the whole lot and said "Kennedy, (me) you're 2nd squad leader now. Fairwhethers a dipshit and you seem pretty reasonable" and boom thats all it took. I nearly shit myself but I just sort of embraced the suck and settled into the role like every squad leader, scribe or guide does. Eventually Fairwhether was made squad leader again WITH me since he already knew the squad leader specific drill movements for final drill and they didnt have time to teach me, and we graduated as Squad Leaders together. Every single squad leader has a similar story.
Trump should have used that as his signature line during "The Apprentice". Come to think of it, he'll probably be able to use it on Joe Hidin' the morning after the election if all works out well...Not necessarily a Trump supporter, but definitely not a lazy, allergic to performing work LEFTIST piece of shiite...not interested in "grabastic LEFTIST drivel"
In spanish, instead of saying that he says "ahora largo, bola de mierda" (gtfo, shitball!) in contrast to "bola de nieve" (snowball) which is also hilarious
Lee Ermey was born to play Hartman the senior drill instructor, after bootcamp scenes were wrapped up even the scenes set in Vietnam couldn't compare with the Paris Island training as Lee Ermey 'all on his own' keeps you entertained, absolutely legendary
Correct. As much as I love the film, and I get why Kubrick focused so long on basic training, I think Hartmann, Pyle, and Joker’s story sort of overshadowed the Vietnam scenes. Like FMJ is overshadowed in Vietnam by other films, especially Platoon. In an odd way, the film was trying to point out that even men who didn’t go to Vietnam became victims of it, such as Pyle and Hartmann.
The second half of the movie unfortunately does tend to drag a bit. I mean, Pyle and Hartman pretty much stole the show during the first half. Not easy to follow up but I still get some enjoyment out of the film as a whole. My dad first showed me this movie when I was like 8. Freaked me the hell out. But I loved it and grew to love it more over time.
Due to his experience in the Marines as a drill instructor, R. Lee Ermey was a consultant on the realism of the military procedures depicted in Full Metal Jacket. Ermey didn’t believe that the actors hired lived up to real military standards, he made a demo tape and asked Stanley Kubrick if he would watch the tape and play Gunnery Sgt. Hartman himself. When Kubrick refused, Ermey went into drill sergeant mode and yelled an order at Kubrick to stand up when he was being spoken to, and a shocked Kubrick instinctively jumped to his feet. This earned Ermey the role.
Virgin Mary: So Ermey what did you do in life? Ermey: played in a couple military movies. Slapped the maggots out of some twinkle-toes numbnut for not believing in you. Then promoted him.
@Sam Mitchell awwww did the sky daddy boy have his feeling hurt cuz someome doesnt believe in his imaginary friend? Can i offer you a tissue snowflake?
Except that this is boot camp, not basic training but yeah, they did something similar to us when I was in (I think) Phase 4; phasing to 5 - after BCT; during AIT. Wake us all up at 0400 HRS in our underwear; screaming at us; running us around the barracks while freezing our asses off; asking us a ton of questions and whatever the answer IS - we'd better all agree on it, whether it's the right answer or the wrong answer.
@@DaGreat500 If that's what you think then you never served. I did serve. Basic Combat Training is what they call it in the US Army & Boot Camp is what they call it in the Marines. I know the damn difference because I served in the Army and my dad was a Marine. My grandfather served in the Army, Navy AND Marines.
I don't think Hartman cares whether Joker believes in the Virgin Mary or not. He wanted to see if Joker would stand up to him and stick by his decision once he had made it. It's not all about physical discipline. Drill Instructors are also looking for potential officers.
It's not very clear in the movie, but Joker ends up being a sergeant, so there you go. When his Leutenant and two senior sergeants die, he is actually the one commanding the Lusthogs.
@Frederick Wells Cowboy is the senior sergeant, the crazy dude who gets a boobytrap is the 2nd senior, and joker is the lowest ranked sergeant. At the end of the film when both those 2 have died, he is the squad leader. It's not very clear in the movie but it is in the novel.
Joker gets beat more than anyone in the platoon, it's why he learned so much. "The more you hate me the more you will learn" All because: "That you John Wayne? Is this me?"
While I agree the performance was great, it could be argued that he really wasn't "acting" since he was already a drill instructor. He was basically just acting as himself. I feel like that's why he wasn't nominated. It's as dumb reason, but it's the best I got.
Hartman singles joker out just to have an excuse to beat him. He was on his shit list, but regardless of being on his shit list, he still showed leadership ability and courage in his response. What I like about this scene is that Hartman immediately recognized Jokers quality traits in this short but intense interaction, then immediately promoted him, with special attention to Pyle, knowing that Joker was best suited to tuter him. Hartman was a leader who's job is to make Marines, and he demonstrates exactly how to do it. Very good scene.
@@RedDiomedes It's strongly implied that Pyle was one of "McNamara's Morons," men who were mentally impaired and did not belong in the military at all, especially in combat posts. While Hartman's methods were extreme, they did work for normal men. The problem was, Pyle should not have been in the position he was placed in.
joker made the right call during a very stressful situation, not only did the instructor see his courage and inteligence, but a great level of composure. All 3 qualities are essential to leadership, hence the promotion!!
fargeeks you know who laid his head on the floor in the head ? Drill Instructors are maybe funny to listen in a movie but if you want to know the real mindset from most of them then you should inform yourself about KORPORAL HIMMELSTOSS
I recall basic training like it was yesterday. Especially, my first day. Looking back, I wouldn't have missed it for the world and given the same circumstances, I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It's been forty-seven years and I still have nothing but the utmost respect for my DIs.
I always thought Snowball was trying to over-compensate whenever speaking to Hartman, as if he were shouting louder and harder than normal, as if he were trying *too* hard to impress...and look where it got him. We never see him again after this.
Joker hesitates maybe a tenth of a second before replying, because he knows this isn't gonna go well. But then he accepts that he's fucked and carries on.
Reminds me of my Purple Heart Marine son, who made his superior’s laugh a time or two. He’s a total badass w/a heart of gold. What a fantastic performance by Lee Emory! A huge THANK YOU to All Veterans Everywhere! ✌️♥️🇺🇸
I remember a Drill Instructor just like that. I cracked up with laughter and he hauled off and doubled me over with a punch in the gut. It didn't stop me from laughing.
When I first watched this scene, it kinda went over my head what was really happening. It took me awhile, but now I understand. Hartman wasn't trying to shove his religion down Joker's throat. If Joker said he did believe in the Virgin Mary, Hartman probably would've yelled at him for that as well. Whatever Joker's beliefs are, Hartman was testing Joker to see if he had the guts to stick to those beliefs under pressure.
No, he just didn't like him and didn't think he'd be a good Marine, so he intended to beat him further no matter what he said to try and make him quit, but now realized he had potential.
@@unitedstatesofamerica9948 It is hard to believe but Drill Instructors really do know they need to create Marines out of everyone. This is a matter of life and death, especially during war times. I understood the DIs were not bad people, they just don't have enough time to work with everyone. I remember talking to a DI in the 3rd phase and he told me he respected me for being small (115 lbs), young (just turned 17) and willing to go to war. He also told me he bet money on me in the pugil sticks battle and if I lost I would be going in to the quarterdeck. I won my battle and felt so proud he believed I would be a good Marine.
When you join the military you tell them your religion, which is displayed on your dog tags, so when you die they know which funeral rite to use. I'm assuming Joker geniunely doesn't believe in the Virgin Mary and the Drill Instructor also knows this. If Joker said he did believe in Mary then the Drill Instructor will call him a lying communist scumbag.
0:40 "Sir, the private believes that any answer he gives will be wrong, and that the senior Drill Instructor will beat him harder if he reverses himself Sir!" How many recrues in boot camp had this phrase memorized before going in just in case? Priceless! 1:33 "Private Joker is silly and he's ignorant but he's got guts, and guts is enough." I love this, Hartman has growing respect for Joker.
In the introduction scene Hartman tests Joker's ability to match the talk with walk after Joker tries to pass the speech check of claiming he joined the marines to kill. DI shows war face and judges whether the draftee can match up. He started the lesson with beating Joker, saw that the draftee is smart and can withstand consequences of his action. The lesson ends with a fatherly "work on it". Walk the walk. Then Hartman gets an idea to give joker the second test. Again, he is both punished and promoted. Guts is enough. Almost a compliment. =)
I went through basic training in 1974, Fort Jackson South Carolina. A-9-2 ( 2nd Platoon) I still see SFC Standard, and SSG Pancook in my dreams. Those men saved my life ( 20 years USArmy) .
I love that everything they do, per drill and ceremony, is correct. When dismissed/falling out, they take a step backward with the right foot and then go about their business. God this movie will never cease to amaze
Not just the movements, either. They're also doing callbacks correctly ("Sir yes, Sir!" vs "Sir, Aye Aye, Sir!" where the first responds to a question while the latter acknowledges an order or command, and it can get very confusing especially when the DIs are tag-teaming a recruit). I don't know how long they trained for this part of filming prior to actually filming it, but I've no doubt Gunny was responsible for most, if not all, of it being spot on.
Perfection of film making. I defy any professional actor to read out these lines as well he Ermey does in this clip, I mean what pace/timing and full emotion plus check out how he does not take breath much in between lines. This scene plus the film never goes too far in violent punishment or in excessive language which most so call good directors would add to fill the talent gaps. There will never be a film to capture this subject and add a such great story also so brilliantly. Stanley Kubrick thanks.
@@thomasgriffin552 In the '90s when I was in the Air Force it was tighty-whiteys...I remember them specifically requiring them for the physical too...if you wore anything else they'd turn you away and you'd have to do it again. I'll never forget being in a room full of dudes in their tighty-whiteys and us all being asked to crouch down with our knees fully bent and jump like frogs....I guess it was to make sure we didn't have any physical issues with our knees...but man it felt ridiculous! Lol.
This is some scene, I went to boot camp in a different time but this scene from the little nuances Hartman does and the facial expressions and emotion Joker is showing is a very good showcase of the wave of emotions talking to DI’s and just facing tough decisions in boot camp can take you down
People say that this is about "the sergeant wants to abuse Joker and blablabla", but it is not. The purpose of the training is that the soldiers get used to stress. And if they can think properly while stressed. Because stress fuck up your capability to think. So, the sergeant realizes that Joker is giving a clear and well though answer and stops the bulling. Joker has completed his "mental training" of thinking clearly while on stress. If this was bullying because of sadism, the sergeant would have continued no matter what, and only stops when he is tired of abusing.
In spanish dub, instead of calling "scumbag" to Snowball, he straight calls him "Shitball" Also, instead of saying "He's got guts", he says "He's got nuts"
Fucking brilliant scene. There’s so much substance contained in such a short time. So many great responses here that helped me understand it better. Thanks!
My favorite movie of all time. A must in my dwindling DVD collection. This and Arnold Schwarzenegger's Total Recall are the only two DVD I must have in my collection
Okay, you have one movie to watch breakfast with, one for lunch, but for dinner you need to add "The Gods Must be Crazy" That would complete a perfect day. Some comedy at the end to help you unwind from the other two.
This scene can be viewed in direct comparison to the four recruits that were tested at the opening of the film; Snowball the readily compliant archetype, Joker the intellectual inivedual who becomes coercibly compliant, Cowboy who is vulnerable compliant, and Pyle who is incompetently inclompliant. Hartman sets up Joker to give him this response; Snowball was made squad leader on virtue if his ready compliance in the face of racial prejudice, Joker lies about his reason for joining the marines after disobeying all compelled speech ordered by Hartman and Hartman asks cowboy in turn 'whats your excuse' as a sort of intelligence test. Joker passes Hartman's intelligence test and sets a precedent that intelligence and compliance is valued. This is essential as the addition of Joker training Pyle wouldn't have been necessary if a simple intelligence test was the desired outcome; Hartman wanted an example for all recruits and Pyle to begin his training under the motherly care of sensitive, intelligent Joker.
Absolutely iconic and timeless genius of a film. It just never gets old. An Oscar should have been awarded to R. Lee Ermey who has gone down in infamy as the most sadistic and respected drill instructor on screen. Rest in peace good sir. 🎥🙏🏾✝️🙏🏾✝️💐🫡
Love this scene. Can't help but laugh my ass off! My ex boss (who was a SF cop) actually had R. Lee Ermey in basic when he joined the core. He told me some crazy shit about him!
This is an extremely exaggerated portrayal of a bad drill sargent. I am sure Ermey never did anything this bad to his real unit otherwise Ermey would have been demoted pretty quick. One example is that Drill Instructors can call you names, insult you, make you clean your boots with your tongue but can NEVER touch you physically in any way, much less hit you.
@@Kyosukedono If you watch old interviews with R Lee Ermey, he says that it was not unusual at all for a DI to slap a recruit to get him in line. They only had 13 weeks to get drafted fuckups in condition to handle combat in Vietnam and hopefully not get killed.
