@@sebastianguerrero6617 As an onlooker onto this whole conflict between old and new paper Mario fans, it sure looks unfun. I've started playing both the original paper mario and sticker star, and both are pretty great tbh! Assuming that you're not being sarcastic (i mean you very well could be you DID use the word "punk"), id definitely take the seriousness down a notch! Arlo really hasn't done anything to hurt the fanbase besides saying that he misses the old formula and it just so happens to resonate with a chunk of the fanbase. It may not align with what you or I find true, but that's just how opinions work. I may not agree with sonic fans who want a return of the adventure formula, but I cant blame them and get mad at them for feeling something I don't! The same goes for the whole paper mario debacle. When a game company makes a game, they make it because they believe it will make the most sales and please the most fans. It's why paper mario changed in the first place, because they believed that the change in formula the series saw was what people wanted more. This may or may not be what actually represented the most fans, but they looked at the poll results from the questionnaire back in the 2000's and took the information within for what it was and ran with it. So when over time fans started to outcry that they wanted the old style back and enough sound was made for it, they most likely saw it and decided it was enough to give a return to form a go. Granted, this example has some gaps that need to be crossed with educated guesses, but it all feeds into the concept that you make what the majority of possible purchasers want. Frankly, neither style is bad! Both have their place, and it's understandable why a lot of people want it one way and a lot want it another. And hey, TTYD might sell badly and you may be getting the style of paper mario you prefer only a few years from now. But you cant be mad at the perceived majority for being the perceived majority, ESPECIALLY for as something as trivial as videogames. I promise you, the old style isnt as bad as its made out to be. All we can do as the consumer is to buy what we want to support and play, and tell the company what you want. Does it always work? No. But when you do more than that, it tends to be going way too far. That's my two cents on the dispute at least.
Miyamoto criticizing the elaborate story in Mario Galaxy is just insane to me. The story in Galaxy is one of the best parts of the game, to the point where Rosalina IMMEDIATELY started appearing in EVERY Mario spinoff title. She got super popular because players were able to experience her backstory and connect with her as a character. And that must be the part that he was criticizing, because the rest of the game is your standard Mario fare, but in outer space. This isn't the first time Bowser stole Peach's castle off the ground and flew away with it, and it won't be the last. The characters in this franchise with the biggest personalities often have the most fans, but Nintendo genuinely gets confused why nobody likes the new Paper Mario games with 5000 generic Toad NPCs 🥴
It'd be really funny if Ring Fit Adventure became Nintendo’s own fortnite and included characters, elements themes, events, etc. from various releases like Tetris 99 does, but ya know, with motion-captured palates 😅
I just wanted to say, thank you for a well thought out and researched video! Sometimes I feel like Nintendo channels can be clickbaity and not add discussion to something so interesting like this! You def made me think about how Nintendo would use this survey! I really hope this survey shows them just how much we LOVE paper mario TTYD and paper Mario in general! I can’t wait for this game to come out and play one of my favorite games of all time. I never thought a remaster would happen so soon.
Im surprised you didn't bring up the Mario RPG survey in the UK from a few weeks ago. It specifically mentioned Mario RPG, Paper Mario, and Mario & Luigi. It asked questions directed at character designs, battle systems, etc.
I don't mean to put the conspiracy hat on, but less than 1% of people saying that Super Paper Marios story was interesting (almost universally regarded as the best storyline in the Mario franchise) reeks of either someone tampering with the results or just being a flat out lie. Like, even if you go the "people button mashing to get the rewards" route, basically every single person who took that survey would've had to do that, and even then you'd think itd be closer to 50/50.
I think a complaint about it that may resonate with a number of consumers is not that the story was “bad.” But rather that it is ALOT. I like Mario, I like Mario stories, I fell out of Super Paper Mario cuz it was so talky (despite quite enjoying many elements of it!!!)
You have to remember that the game came out at the Wii's peak with the Casual Market. Most didn't care about a deep story, especially not for a Mario Game.
Kensuke Tanabe is not a good developer in my opinion. He just does whatever he wants, screw the consequences. Make Paper Mario a puzzle game? Sure. Try to make multiplayer and metroid a thing with several games? Why not. Ignore fan complaints everytime? Of course. Make luigi's mansion a puzzle game and take out all attempts to be genuinely scary? You bet! The only project that's worked big time for him is luigi's mansion, and even then as a huge fan of the first game the sequels were all very disappointing imo.
The 'have you played these?' question is an indication of whether or not the person is trustworthy in their answers, assuming it's sent to Nintendo Switch owners, who Nintendo has gameplay data for.
There is one instance of Mario having an ongoing storyline. The Switch Version of Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker has Toadette hunt down the Super Crown, which is a power-up she uses in NSMBU Deluxe, revealing itself to be a prequel to that game.
That's kind of different since it's a later-port-version addition, given that Captain Toad already existed earlier on Wii U and the Switch version didn't exist until after the Switch port of NSBMU. It is pretty neat though!
On a related note: a potential big piece of context folks forget about in regards to the character design aspects of Paper Mario controversy is potential legal risks with variant designs that caused a shift in how character designs are handled. TLDR apparently a gaming merch company working with SEGA on Sonic clothing got sued after an intern used a fan design on accident and a bunch of companies standardized around style guides more strictly for their IPs to make consistent merch creation an easier affair to prevent that from happening to them. Heard about this from a Resetera post and have been trying to verify it for myself but can't seem to find the post or anything backing it up. Has anything of that nature come up in your own research out of curiosity?
Arlo definitely deserves a lot of Credit. Of course he isn’t the only person to miss the older style of games but he does have a decently large channel. A few series seem to be in this place currently, Zelda is an example too. After all the hype about dungeons returning, it was a huge disappointment to see the four non linear obstacle courses they chose to go with. I actually prefer the devine beasts, though I didn’t love those either. The classic dungeon design of a series of puzzles that build on each other with combat mixed in is so much more challenging and interesting. Linear dungeons would have been a great way to break up the open world. The simple, easy design is an obvious way to cater towards new players, that’s fine and all but Zelda veterans would still like some level of challenge. I’m just glad they can move on now and make a new game. By then we’ll have been looking at the same world, music and art style of botw for twelve years.
I am a Paper Mario fan, I wanna start with that. I love the first two, (Bug Fables) but Color Splash is my third favorite despite its faults. I think the problems with Super Paper Mario were absolutely over corrected, but the criticisms are not without merit from a wider audience. And that audience is worth exploring! Nintendo rrrreeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy goofed with most of their games in that era, it’s very odd to me that Paper Mario is the series that has taken so long to come back around.
11:24 do you mean outside of the of the Mario RPGs? because, like, the original Mario & Luigi trilogy literally did this. Fawful's introduced as Cackletta's henchman in SsS, he's shown to still be working in the background in PiT, and he finally reemerges as the main antagonist in BIS.
Yeah, and Bowser has character development in SPM that carries over to the rest of the series. It may not be a direct continuation but after SPM he doesn't do anything evil and his worst actions are caused by him being possessed by an evil force (kind of like dedede in kirby) my favorite example of this is after you defeat him in Color Splash he has absolutely no idea what's going on and mentions that him and Mario were supposed to go go-karting recently
@@darkychao all he did was touch the sticker comet and he got overwhelmed with power, (like the misster Blizzard in world 5) It's the only -good- plot point in the whole game
@@DopplesGryndthloggle he raided a small town during a festival with the intent to steal a powerful artifact. there's no evidence in the entire rest of the game that Bowser isn't acting of his own volition.
I do wonder what country these questions are mainly aimed at, as what's popular in one country, doesn't mean it will be popular in another. I did Play Paper Mario The Thousand year door, I liked the game, however I didn't like the end game content, it felt naff those 3 quests from the centre and that was it, I've played that game multiple times on Nintendo GameCube.
As someone who has taken a LOT of surveys (hours and hours of paid ones), I think the first two questions and the one asking if they've heard of TTYD are more "qualifier" questions than anything else. They want responses from relevant people. If someone takes the survey and has never heard of TTYD and doesn't even play video games, their responses might not be as highly valued. I have been told I don't qualify for countless surveys after questions just like those (don't have kids and the survey is for diapers? Not relevant. Don't watch soccer and the survey is about soccer's marketing? Not helpful).
Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's Journey hard flopped and it was one of the lowest selling Mario games ever. Months later after its release, Alpha Dream went bankrupt.
@@luigi64fan Not only that, it was a bad remake. The new pixel art looked worse than the original. It ran at 30fps when the original ran at 60fps. The new content was complete ass. Original designs for the enemies were made generic new super mario bros-ified like with the superstar saga remake.
So stupid how the paper mario franchise took a dive because of these surveys. And now it's happening again. Like wtf. I assume other games get these too, but I don't get why paper mario took a huge turn.
I know you didn't mean it that way, but you mentioning the sense of atmosphere in Metroid suddenly made me think of Paper Mario with a horror atmosphere. Paper Mario: The Fires of Destruction
The Legend of Zelda, the SECOND LARGEST SERIES under Nintendo, was created by him. He doesn't hate stories in general, he just doesn't prioritize in Mario (to a fault).
Yeah he's definitely been holding back nintendo's full potential in the last decade. It was probably his idea to make the terrible wii u gamepad. That's probably why he in particular pushed it so hard with games like starfox zero.
I tend to disagree with Arlo on default. He called Kirby "Middle tier" and "unimportant" in the Nintendo pantheon. I don't trust anyone who calls Kirby unimportant. I also very much doubt that hashtag did much of anything. If any Tube Talking Head made the needle move on Thousand Year Door, it was Andre Gamexplain since he got to tell the producer of Color Splash, to her face. "Remake Thousand Year Door. People will buy it," and we all know how delayed in response Nintendo can be. On AlphaDream, a majority of the senior staff was hired on by MonolithSoft, with everyone else landing on their feet elsewhere, mostly at Square-Enix from what I'm told, but on that train of thought, you may want to do a credits comparison of Bowser Jr's Journey and SMRPGHD. That game had more names credited to EPD than we initially believed. I want the drugs the NOA employee that called Horizon Zero Dawn an RPG was on. On the Exercise tangent, I would much rather (and think it's far more likely) that we'd get Ring Fit 2: Now with an actual budget for cut-scenes. Seriously. The ending was just text at the bottom of a shot of the map screen. Talk about an anti-climax! And actually your transition to Torna reminded me; why CAN'T I use the Ring Con and Leg-Strap to play Xenoblade 3? The map is the size of Japan, and Xeno fans could use the workout. I know, because I'm heavy enough to legally count as 3 of em! As I got at before, Mario & Luigi coming back at this point mostly depends on MonolithSoft having time between Xenoblade, and fixing the code of every EPD game going forward. Kraid is adorable. The fact that I don't have a Kraid plushy is a direct insult to me specifically. I'm a -2 on that game industry pole. I'm a nuisance to several AA publishers!
People are taking this survey way too seriously and I'm only leave to disappointment Although if I have to give my opinion although I played the origami king and really enjoy it and thought it was great I'm definitely not buying that ttyd remake. 41 thing I played the original back in the day and did not like it, it wasn't for me and that probably hasn't changed since then. But the second reason is because I don't want to support the game that a lot of people who abuse and insulted me and a ton of other younger fans are championing. I'm not joking around when I said that I had some of the worst experiences in regards to Nintendo games when dealing with the old school paper Mario fans on the lead up to the origami kings release back in 2020, Yes I know there were probably younger friends who were toxic too but a huge and I really do mean huge majority of the toxicity came from the older fans and let me just say that arlo was not a positive figurehead during that time imo. There were so many times where they were so abusive it felt like they weren spitting on or insulting anyone who were looking forward every day online. Like I understand they prefer the older games but that doesn't mean you get to be so mean-spirited towards people who are looking forward to a newer game that's different, It felt like they couldn't acknowledge the fact that they were fans of the games after super paper mario and would try attackinganyonewho spoke out about that. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a decent chance that a lot of the people who bought the origami king won't buy this upcoming remake because of those bad experiences with those older fans, And let's face it the main decision that will cause any changes in the paper Mario series is Which game sells better and the old school fans aren't helping themselves with how they interact with other paper Mario fans in that regard.
I kinda get your point and im saying that as someone who prefers the older titles over the newer ones Lemme make this clear though, aside from sticker star (cuz that game was really garbage) i have to say that cs and tok were alright. These games had Potential but werent fully fleshed out imo My Problem with the series is that it lost its identity after ttyd though i consider spm to be on the better side of the series. The community is also a major problem as you said. It became very divided which sucks but it'll probably never be the way it used to be. Oh andYall New Fans could also stop Hating on the older games. Its not just the old Fans who complain abt the newer ones its also the New Fans who hate on the older games Aside From all that, i honestly hope that if the Remake sells well that it'll go back the way it used to be. Or nintendo develops a game that would please both sides of the community (which is basically impossible 🤣) which would be a best case Scenario
I understand what you mean, Paper Mario is meant to be enjoyed by everyone, and if people are treating you terribly because you like Origami King, then that is awful. It is a great game. I think that the purism has gotten a bit out of hand. TTYD isn’t perfect. It has a lot of flaws. It makes me sad that people would be mean to you over just a game. I think that reason that people are taking the questionnaire so seriously is because the last time that we didn’t, the entire way that the games were made changed. People just put a random answer down on the old questionnaire, (the one that was released after Super Paper Mario), just to get their gold points or whatever Nintendo gave out for completing surveys lol. I think everyone realized that Nintendo takes these surveys a lot more seriously than they have to. I honestly think that changing the entire way that a game is made off of a survey that not a lot people filled out and didn’t really care about isn’t the best idea anyways. And “blame” always gets put on Miamoto and/or Intelligent Systems(The devs of Paper Mario) for making Sticker Star. I personally love Sticker Star. I grew up with it. It is still the coolest game to me. It has so many silly ideas, fun writing, and the music is great! And I think that is what draws people in to these games. Because they are all good.
