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Fullmetal Alchemist Has a Genocide Problem. 

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On this short edition of Out of Frame, we answer your calls to do an anime-related episode through “Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood”. In the series, brothers Edward and Alphonse Elric grow up seeing the traumatic residual effects of war through their parents and adults around them. The State Alchemists who came before them were ordered by the government to carry out a brutal slaughter after an incident sparks chaos. Although some sympathy is due for the horrors they saw, there is a cost to blindly trusting people in power. Exactly what that cost is and what the solution is, we cover in this episode.
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@edouglasroche
@edouglasroche 3 года назад
Everybody like to think they would hero disobeying unjust orders saving many lives, but the reality is most people don’t. That is why free speech and accountability for the people in power is so important.
@thirdplanet4471
@thirdplanet4471 3 года назад
A hero to one is a villain to another
@SubduedRadical
@SubduedRadical 3 года назад
Agree 100%. It's easy to say in the comfort of your home sitting at your computer how heroic you'd be. Very different when faced with the choice itself with all eyes on you and the consequences being literally life and death...
@isaacbaxter253
@isaacbaxter253 3 года назад
If you were in nazi Germany, you'd probably be a nazi. If you were a skilled alchemist in Amestris during the Ishvalan extremination campaign, you were probably one of the state alchemists doing the slaughter. You either follow orders, maybe hope to get a promotion, maybe if you're lucky change something about the government, or you refuse, get killed by someone else, have unknown consequences on your family, and still not save the person you refuse to kill because there's always another soldier in line.
@edouglasroche
@edouglasroche 3 года назад
Yeah I have always wondered if I grew up in Nazi German would I be a Nazi. Have a hard time picturing myself risking my life and probably my families life to save nazi victims. But I have also never been one to blindly follow others. Think I would be one to flee Germany before things got out of hand or if I failed to do that keep my head down. If USA goes dangerously far communist i plan to flee here.
@SubduedRadical
@SubduedRadical 3 года назад
@@edouglasroche I kind of agree. I've thought about it before in different contexts. For example, "If I was born in the Middle-East, would I be a Christian or would I be a Muslim?" and so on. A lot of people - a LOT of people - just try to keep their heads down. You can see it this last year. While some people have been outspoken about the lockdowns and government expansion (some in favor, some opposed), many just try to avoid taking a side and hope it all blows over without them having to. ...and an uncomfortably (to me) large amount spoke in favor of the expansion of government power and erosion of civil liberties. I'm not sure that most people would "pass that test" if they had been German citizens in 1920-1950. Most forget HOW BAD things were in Germany after WWI and through the Great Depression, and how quick people are to abandon their moral high ground when it means they actually have to suffer consequences, or their families do. I'm with you in thinking I'd have been one of the families that fled and then joined the US/UK/etc military to try and fight back, but it's hard to really say if you aren't in that position yourself, truly. It's easy to preen and posture, though, and look down your nose at people that had an impossible choice forced on them which you have not had to make yourself...
@mackinbox
@mackinbox 3 года назад
A day with a new Out Of Frame is a good day.
@finalsleeper8800
@finalsleeper8800 3 года назад
I feel the need to point out that Mustang and those involved in his coup attempts knew and accepted that they would be tried and convicted of high crimes for their actions in Ishval, it was a childish Edward who could not accept that Mustang and Hawkeye would be punished for following orders and threw a fit with his promise to return the money lent. It was a bitter moment, and very much felt based on moments that you wonder about historically, such as what went through the minds of the Valkyrie conspiracy, if they knew they would also be tried.
@nabilghafar9150
@nabilghafar9150 3 года назад
yeah.. Mustang knew he would be the "bad guy" in the peaceful time.
@bored_potato
@bored_potato 3 года назад
I have a feeling that Mustang and most of those involved in the coup would be pardoned for their crimes. They did save the entire nation from turning into a philosopher's stone, though I'm not sure if the new government truly knows what happened during the Promised Day. Idk, just a thought.
@somedandy7694
@somedandy7694 3 года назад
That's what heroism and resistance truly are: fighting when you know the stakes are high, the odds are against you, and you will be hated whether or not you win. That's why I find it so insufferably arrogant for Hollywood/TV types to style themselves the Resistance because they Tweeted at Trump or posted dank memes at his voters. A resistance has no guarantee of success, and if it fails you hang (or get shot if the State is merciful). Your families will angrily plea with you to stop, your friends will reject you; being in an actual resistance is EXTREMELY uncomfortable, and not the type of thing to harvest Facebook likes.
@loltwest9423
@loltwest9423 3 года назад
Ya, that would be just. If they ultimately paid for their crimes or at the very fucking least gave them a slap on the wrist. But instead he becomes King (if memory serves well).
@natesal5037
@natesal5037 3 года назад
@@loltwest9423 he doesn’t
@larsohara1506
@larsohara1506 3 года назад
A cop in the modern US could probably get away with disobeying an immoral order. But a soldier in Nazi Germany? Not chance. Some people are just trapped and have no choice given the potential reprimands against themselves or their families.
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 3 года назад
This, I think, is why it doesn't make sense to try rank and file soldiers in all cases, but why it might / does make sense for the officers who were tried for war crimes in the Nuremberg Trials.
@michaelmurphy2112
@michaelmurphy2112 3 года назад
@@FEEonline The officers tried in Nuremburg worked at the death camps. Those positions required the soldiers to volunteer, so they knew exactly what they were signing up for, which is why, "just following orders" didn't hold water.
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 3 года назад
@@michaelmurphy2112 they were part of the planning process as well. But the same is basically true for Armstrong, etc. They were in the planning meetings, and they were lead officers.
@APerson-ws4cw
@APerson-ws4cw 3 года назад
I agree, if the person would've been severely punished or even just killed for not following an order, I don't think it's fair to charge them with it.
@exterminatusnow1264
@exterminatusnow1264 3 года назад
When horrific orders are given, it is often the choice between becoming the perpetrator or a victim of the next perpetrator in line.
@CiakPlz
@CiakPlz 3 года назад
Führer is the title, King is a first name. If that was missed. I missed it the first 3 times I watched it.
@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808
@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 3 года назад
So, wait, Father decided to name the guy he purposefully made to be a ruler "King"? I guess that tracks, but still.
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr 3 года назад
@@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 , Führer is the political Title of King Bradley, and King really is Bradley’s first name because he was an orphan that went through the homunculus experiment, and he was the only orphan that survived that experiment.
@007kingifrit
@007kingifrit 3 года назад
i thought fuhrer and king were just one title. like god king
@CiakPlz
@CiakPlz 3 года назад
@@007kingifrit so did I
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 3 года назад
It's a really on the nose name. He was the end result of a program to create a puppet ruler for Amestris, so the name Father and the scientists decided to give him would of course be "King".
@joekerr5418
@joekerr5418 3 года назад
In general, Genocides are problematic at times
@aidanmurphy9668
@aidanmurphy9668 3 года назад
"in general" implying.....
@somedandy7694
@somedandy7694 3 года назад
But only when the TV People say so...otherwise: "There is no genocide in Ba Sing Se."
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 3 года назад
@@somedandy7694 "There is no genocide in Xinjiang."
@somedandy7694
@somedandy7694 3 года назад
@@Nai-qk4vp "Here in the fences of the compound we are safe"
@Narv58
@Narv58 3 года назад
Possible Spoilers: I feel as though the vague reasons for not knowing exactly what is equivalent or equal value actually makes sense. The fact that the alchemists think they are all knowing and that everything can be put into a math equation makes them run into problems in literally the first episode when they think that equivalent exchange works for everything and attempt to bring their mother back from the dead. This theme of hubris Is shown in the main systems of the world building as well as with the homunculus and his desire for knowledge and control. When he comes directly into contact with "God" who basically tells him that he knows nothing and destroys him for his greed. The question in the background of "who decides what is equivalent?" is answered at the very end and the answer is "God" and that's why you truly never know in the show what is or isn't equivalent exchange because like in real life it's complicated and you don't get to decide how the world works, Now that's some dang good writing!
@vashythewabbit8288
@vashythewabbit8288 3 года назад
That actually makes alot of sense considering what Hiromu Arakawa said about her research on alchemy, how it doesn't make any sense and is contradictory.
@Ketfera
@Ketfera 3 года назад
This is my favorite anime, and I really appreciate the analysis you've given. Another interesting dimension to your topic is how others end up viewing those who were "just following orders." Though revenge is wrong, it is understandable that Scar views State Alchemists as monsters, just as we tend to portray the Nazi soldiers that assisted in the Holocaust. Their decision to accept the orders they were given opened the door to committing monstrous acts, yet all the while they never cease to be human. Though I like to say that those who dehumanize others end up dehumanizing themselves in the end, it is such a potent reminder of the abyssal depths of depravity we all are capable of without moral integrity, which should help us to pity - even just a little - those who allow themselves to become monsters in the name of "loyalty."
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 3 года назад
*"Some of them are trying to atone. But atonement doesn't bring back the dead"* *Woke Twitter:* "Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!"
@davidmays8974
@davidmays8974 2 года назад
Are they wrong?
@loyisad1211
@loyisad1211 2 года назад
That's a fact though. Why does it make your butt hurt though? Is your image in the mirror too ugly for you?
@ketthol
@ketthol 3 года назад
one thing fma does well is also that it doesn't advocate forgiveness for these actions. looking specifically at winry's closure with scar (how her gun is set down, casting aside paying violence with more violence, instead helping scar at a later juncture despite explicitly never having forgiven his murder of her parents). how scar's journey throughout the entirety of the plot is moreso his vengeance for retributive justice being shaped into restorative justice back into the ishvalan community that still lives. personally, one thing that i feel could've been done better is mustang staying blind. something that rubbed me wrong was how he used the stone made of ishvalan lives to heal his colleagues and himself, thereby actively profiting off these spoils of genocide not just once (in the awarding of his status as a "war hero"), but twice now.
@aidanholland4246
@aidanholland4246 2 года назад
King Bradley wasn’t the embodiment of wrath itself, just the wrathful side of his creator the dwarf in the flask. But I like your words on everything else. As of now(12/26/2021) I’m currently questioning weather or not I should still forgive Mustang, Hawkeye, Armstrong, or even Marcoh. Yes they were following orders but they knew what kind of pointless cruelty they were being ordered to carry out, but they went through with it anyway. Kimblee I can’t forgive because he actually enjoyed the Genocide of the ishvallans, but Mustang, and all them actually came to regret their actions and made efforts to atone for their sins.
@MooneLightEntertainment
@MooneLightEntertainment 3 года назад
*Never been a fan of Anime, but I'm a huge fan of FEE, so I'm listening to this Anime talk.*
@mtsimlover2
@mtsimlover2 3 года назад
i like how you said blindly while showing footage of roy mustang
@riftshredder5438
@riftshredder5438 3 года назад
I think Dr. Stone would be a really good subject, in a way, it's a lot like a modern take on the story Lord of the Flies, if you take modern life away from people, what do you expect will happen? One side wants to cleanse humanity of it's corruption, the other wants to bring everything back to the way things were and let the chips fall where they may? But which side is right you may ask?
@sapientbirb7350
@sapientbirb7350 3 года назад
Personally I'd go for the latter. Reasons as to why: For one thing, getting rid of corruption is impossible, at least in anyway that doesn't involve the mass extinction of all life. Everything that's living is selfish to some degree, including things as small and basic as single celled organisms. And because of that, they're willing to do virtually anything for themselves and what they care about. You can try to keep it down with a large unified group, but there's no guarantee that said group would succeed, much less stay in power. Reason being, groups are made up of mortal individuals with needs and desires. And over time, different groups are going to be formed, and some will oppose the original group for their own corrupt methods of ending corruption. And that's not even counting what exactly would be considered corrupt in the first place. As for bringing things back to where they were, why not? Chances are they'd just do it themselves, albiet a lot slower. You're granting knowledge to those that have yet to make the same mistakes. And the most dangerous groups, in terms of actions, are those that lack knowledge. And with said knowledge, there can be more time committed to finding ways that can benefit those that wield the information and the world they inhabit.
@dfmrcv862
@dfmrcv862 3 года назад
One of my favorite parts of the 2003 version of FMA was Mustang's arc (which was made quite different in Brotherhood). In the 2003 version they'd all been told that the war was justified, and given the humonculous were manipulating things, the 2003 version made it a bit less clear how destructive the war actually was (we even see refugee camps being set up and maintained by the authorities), with the implication being the genocide was not the intention of the military command... if I remember correctly... I do know a young Mustang was still horrified by the war, particularly after (spoilers for FMA 2003) having to kill Winry's parents because they were treating enemy combatants who would then go right back to fighting the war. That act leads him to strive to become Fuhrer in order to prevent needless killing like that, and he even gets in the way of other officers who may want to push for a more violent solution, and in the end he... sort of fails and sort of succeeds. He succeeds in deposing the Fuhrer but fails in becoming one, his revolt allowing the government to become a bit more democratic. In the end, he chooses a demotion and is moved to a border outpost which is basically a prison for him until he's needed later on in the finale of the series, where he meets up with Hawkeye and it was adorable and I wish they had continued it. I just love redemption arcs and I do have a personal soft spot for the 2003 adaptation because of this so I'm pretty biased.
@renthegigglefox
@renthegigglefox 3 года назад
Colonel Mustang does state, near the end of the series, as he's studying the cultural and political history of Ishval in order to reestablish it and bring peace, that one thing he intends to do on his road to becoming Fuhrer is to hold all parties involved with the War of Extermination accountable for their war crimes, including himself. He fully acknowledges that "following orders" is no excuse for the crimes committed against an entire race of people. Most of the main supporting characters are also fully aware of this, feeling that facing trial, and answering for the wrongs they have committed, is the only way to face up to what they did, no excuses.
@midnalight6419
@midnalight6419 3 года назад
I will be more than happy with more anime stuff. I will personally become a patron if you do another one of these.
@CultOfJim
@CultOfJim 3 года назад
Trusting an authority figure in FMA? (still laughing at the idea)
@BarkingCur
@BarkingCur 3 года назад
I fully agree that "I was just following orders," is no excuse for committing an atrocity. But, I would also say there is no excuse for not holding accountable those that issued those orders. When it comes to the police, when something horrible occurs and a life is lost as a result, we prosecute the officer, and rightly so. But what of the laws that put them there in the first place? When war crimes are committed, what of the civilian officials who declared that war and sent those soldiers to enact their will? Yes, the soldier, or police officer, should be held accountable for their willingness to follow what they should have known was an unlawful order. But too often we forget, what about the one that gave that horrible order in the first place? Should they not be held accountable as well, even if they were hundreds, or thousands of miles away? Even if their hands literally have no blood on them, were they not the ones that metaphorically pulled that trigger? As in Vasili Arkjipov's case, he deserves honor and recognition for refusing to follow a genocidal order. But what of those that gave that order, who knowingly put him in the position to decide the fates of hundreds of millions of people? Were they ever charged for issuing the death notices for an entire world? They metaphorically pulled a trigger, but the weapon, thankfully, failed to fire. Those officials should have faced the consequences for their murderous intentions. But somehow, I don't think that they did. That just isn't how the real world works.
@vektheartist
@vektheartist 3 года назад
As an FMA fan and admirer of Arakawa’s work (and after recently rewatching “Brotherhood”) I appreciate this.👊🏾🔥🔥🔥
@agsilverradio2225
@agsilverradio2225 3 года назад
6:12 In the defence of these solders who illegedly commited war-crimes under the "just following orders" excuse: 1) War is hell. Perhaps it was hard to know what the moral thing to do was in the heat of the moment, or maybe there was no good option available, so they went with the lesser of two evils. 2) Some lokely feared the legal consequences of a court-martial, for questioning orders.
@edmilsoneletrica
@edmilsoneletrica 3 года назад
Yes. The consequences can be quite severe and life shattering. Take Mustang for example. He would probably be imprisoned, lose his job/rank and with that his dream/aspiration of becoming the Fuhrer would be no more. Everything in his life that mattered most to him, his wishes, hopes, all the years and effort he put to get there would die never to come back. It's a complete destruction of one's life knowing full well that whatever it is that you were trying to avoid is still going to happen (because someone else will do it). People compare a situation like this to their own lives and think: "I'll just quit this job and find another one". Sorry, baby, but no!
@artisanartisan8564
@artisanartisan8564 2 года назад
Another great video man
@anyanyanyanyanyany3551
@anyanyanyanyanyany3551 3 года назад
I just recently finished *Rising of The Shield Hero* . Apparently it caused a great deal of controversy due to its portrayal of slavery. The main protagonist, the Shield Hero, was framed for a crime he didn't commit, and as a result lost trust of everyone. He would later resort to buy a slave because slaves were bound to their masters via use of a spell and lack of trust would no longer be an issue for him. From then on, the Shield Hero (Iwatani Naofumi) treats every interaction as transactional.
@b3rz3rk3r9
@b3rz3rk3r9 3 года назад
I would've imagine Spice and Wolf as the first anime on this channel, or that you'd go more into a focus on one Alchemy state law from FMA "Turning Lead into Gold is illegal" based on how ruinous it would be. Or maybe an episode on Dr. Stone based on the conflict of ideals between Senku and Tsukasa, the concept of pure Libertarianism and the utilities of unlimited sciences vs Primitive Communism and vastly overlimited scientific restriction and censorship. But, if you are looking for more anime that have worlds with their own political ramifications, might I recommend Berserk 97. True, it doesn't really have much in the case of economics, but the political actions based on the Feudal system that Midland runs under is interestingly interwoven with the main story. Be warned that Berserk is a tough anime to get through; not because of poor quality (that's the Other one), but because of the darker moments that really make the more heartfelt moments shine.
@adenmoua412
@adenmoua412 3 года назад
fullmetal alchemist brotherhood was the first anime i watched
@mosesmm5473
@mosesmm5473 3 года назад
Funny enough, one of the characters in the show, Kimble tells both Riza and Mustang a similar point as they both knew what being soldiers would ential, what they would be told to do when they deployed, but they chose to go anywhere and because of that, they have no right to turn away from it the and instead have to own thier mistakes just like thier achievements. Funny enough, depending on who you ask, having a good sense of morality makes one a terrible soldier such as Steve Rogers since good men don't hurt the innocent, but soldiers do if ordered to.
@yaelthesnail
@yaelthesnail 3 года назад
You may want to try the first Fullmetal Alchemist adaptation from 2003. It's a divergent adaptation that is much more pointed in its critiques of state power, since it deals very heavily with themes of imperialism and state violence -- far moreso than Brotherhood does, because the director and writer used it to critique the Iraq War. It also takes a very different direction with Scar's character that breaks away from "Revenge is Bad", and instead asks "what responsibility does an individual with power have to protect those who are in danger from racist state-sanctioned violence? What is the line between revenge and legitimate resistance?"
@007kingifrit
@007kingifrit 3 года назад
actually a gundam wing video or mobile suit gundam the red comet one would be great
@magatsuverison3835
@magatsuverison3835 3 года назад
I cannot wait... Absolutely cannot wait...to see your take on Code Geass
@varkrow
@varkrow 3 года назад
To be fair, that was what Mustang's whole side plot was about. He was trying to overthrow the government as one who had done the most damage in the massacre to become the leader and give land back to the Ishvalans and create a democracy where he and the rest of those who partook in Ishval would be put on trial and possibly executed for their crimes. That is a lot more than America could claim for.
@samsmith6594
@samsmith6594 2 года назад
If you haven't already, you absolutely have to watch the Avatar: The Last Airbender cartoon. Among other things, it's one of the best presentations of the horrors of war in all of modern children's media, and it's a show that adults love too.
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 2 года назад
You should probably watch my video about that.
@samsmith6594
@samsmith6594 2 года назад
@@FEEonline I'd seen it, but I didn't realize it was yours. Cool!!
@Chronoflation
@Chronoflation 2 года назад
I saw someone mention Spice and Wolf in the first set of comments! Woohoo! Always happy to see one of my favorite series getting recommended these days
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 3 года назад
Say what you like about brotherhood but the original series has a better opening act
@elgato49
@elgato49 3 года назад
Haven't watched the brotherhood version, but i LOVE the original series. What's the main difference between the two?
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 3 года назад
That's because Brotherhood expects you to already have watched 2003 or read the manga and just skips or glosses over most of the early events, on top of giving us that filler of a first episode.
@storba3860
@storba3860 3 года назад
Glad you liked it Sean.
@MisterManTheBestMan
@MisterManTheBestMan 3 года назад
7:20 I disagree. It's easy for us now to say that people should rebel against evil, and that if 'we' were in the position of those who were committing horrible acts we would do something different. It's a very fine thing, but it is a very different thing nonetheless to be in that situation yourself.
@Jt-fx8tl
@Jt-fx8tl 3 года назад
Good point take the usa for example, most people I met "hate" it there because of the high levels of corruption, yet they don't do much to stop said corruption because they are comfortable
@MisterManTheBestMan
@MisterManTheBestMan 3 года назад
@@Jt-fx8tl I think it's more of because we don't know how to fight it.
@Jt-fx8tl
@Jt-fx8tl 3 года назад
@@MisterManTheBestMan really the middle east knew how to fight us
@MisterManTheBestMan
@MisterManTheBestMan 3 года назад
@@Jt-fx8tl Yes, because killing American citizens was a good way to fight corruption in the American system. Actually, no. The Middle East fighting us has led to more corruption as politicians scrambled for power in the name of national security. Anyone who gets their ball rolling in America politically, and has an agenda set different than the governing political parties is dubbed a radical and defaced over the news.
@ZontarDow
@ZontarDow 3 года назад
A must watch anime for this channel is Legend of the Galactic Heroes. The themes and ideas that the movie and series that followed it are built on basically everything this channel is built on, and it's an amazing series on top of that (or more accurately because of that) though it's only available for streaming on HiDive there was a reason I was willing to pay 800$ for the limited edition box set.
@sammybh7788
@sammybh7788 3 года назад
I really enjoyed the video and the discussion of the genocide problem in FMA, both series and manga. I have seen lots of good suggestions in other comments that would definitely be good topics for a video. I recommend the anime Ergo Proxy because of it’s dystopian city of Romdo and the references it makes to Descartes and Michelangelo.
@JPG.01
@JPG.01 3 года назад
The private sector vs. government comparison is samewhat unfair here. The amount of force, that can and is used in the private sector is smaller and less severe than what the government could do. The question to ask is: Should we hold a hitman accountable for doing his job, when him not doing so would put his life and that of his family in mortal danger because the mafia has them kidnapped? That is the standard we should judge state actors by. Because that is what an out of control state apparatus is. At least as bad if not worse than a mafia. That is why the Nürnberg Defense holds water in my eyes.
@aaa1e2r3
@aaa1e2r3 3 года назад
Two things, !. Code Geass is pronounced Gee-aas 2. Aside from the ones mentioned, I would recommend checking out Spice and Wolf, it's an anime following a travelling merchant named Craft Lawrence that travels with a Pagan harvest deity named Holo, in order to escort her to her homeland in the North, while evading what appears to be the Catholic Church, in medieval Europe.
@OriginalMonkeyMan
@OriginalMonkeyMan 2 года назад
If you hire someone to kill somebody it’s soliciting murder, and you still go to jail… and so does the guy who agreed to do it.
@estefanolivares9199
@estefanolivares9199 3 года назад
Nitpick, that soldier killing the child was Envy. Great video
@samm.8052
@samm.8052 3 года назад
I suggest Mobile Suit Gundam, specifically the shows in the Universal Century timeline(Gundam: The Origin, Original show, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Char's Counterattack, Gundam Unicorn, and Gundam Narrative), which are almost more so about the Federation government and the Principality of Zeon than they are the characters. It has many themes about war, politics, corruption, and all that good stuff. I really want one of these episodes to be about Gundam.
@EatWave
@EatWave 3 года назад
3:17 The nebulousness of the concept of inherent value needed for Equivalent Exchange is not only addressed in both version of the anime series, it enables some fudging of the numbers, so to speak, when it comes to getting over on The Truth at the end of the series, well, in Brotherhood, anyway. The conclusion that they come to in the first anime is that more is always lost in the exchange than one gets back just like in actual chemistry (something that they could not avoid seeing the truth of when they learn the source of alchemical power for their world).
@MrQabalist
@MrQabalist 3 года назад
FMAB is excellent. You will note that Kimblee is also another principled person even though he’s different than Ed (where killing is concerned).
@LDub01031994
@LDub01031994 3 года назад
Kimblee also does an amazing job calling out people on their hypocrisy. He was definitely a guy who was true to himself
@thirdplanet4471
@thirdplanet4471 3 года назад
@@LDub01031994 Agreed
@flavorgod
@flavorgod 3 года назад
Do note that the Ishvalan genocide participators do intend to stand trial for their action in a civilian court, once the Military State is disbanded.
@xWink
@xWink 3 года назад
Would love to see your analysis of Code Geass (pronounced gee-awss). The concept of trying to make change from inside the government vs making change by rebelling and protesting is a major one, alongside others like the meaning of life, what it takes to change the world, and media's impact on society's views.
@DerAlleinTiger
@DerAlleinTiger 3 года назад
I have two counters to throw back at this. 1. In regards to the argument that we hold both criminal thugs and their bosses accountable for the crimes they commit in the private sector therefore we should hold soldiers (and others) responsible in government: While, of course, we should always hold *government* responsible, and those who are making decisions within it responsible this seems like a false equivalency to me. The criminal's actions have been vilified from their very first choice to the last one that lands them in hot water. Society doesn't prop up being a criminal as something great and just and honorable. It doesn't put criminality on a pedestal and tells people they should be like them and become a criminal. While yes, criminals are obviously influenced and encouraged by those around them, the entire rest of society is more or less telling them not to do any of it from the very start. Being a soldier or police officer, on the other hand, is not vilified. It is not discouraged. In fact, it is encouraged, respected, and even honored. Now whether that should be the case or not is another matter entirely. But the fact that a young man who barely knows anything about the world can go and sign up for the military - or in bad cases, get forced into it via draft by his own government - being praised all the way and drilled and instilled with the idea that orders are there to be followed by him really changes the dynamic entirely. No, it doesn't take away free will entirely, but a good part of military training does and is intended to. Not to turn you into a raw killing machine, but to encourage you to put the many above yourself. The problem is, that is a double-edged sword. Yes, you can put the many above yourself by standing against immoral orders and facing the penalties for it, but you can also follow those immoral orders because from day one society has been telling you that you're doing the right thing by being there and doing what you're doing. 2. This is a more practical counterpoint to the idea as a whole that we should hold individual soldiers, officers, and more just as responsible as those giving the orders: In many situations, particularly the most dire and obvious ones, the choice is often between following orders and death. Now you're saying we should hold those people responsible for essentially following their self-preservation instinct. Ignoring the philosophical parts. Ignoring the morality of it. Ignoring whether it's unfairly judgmental from the standpoint of someone who's never been there or not. Ignoring all of that. How is making the choice between death and a jail sentence going to change anything except making life altogether more miserable? The jail sentence, in practical terms, is still going to be preferable to death itself. You're not changing anything there. The person who falls back on their self-preservation instinct will still fall back on it, and if anything is going to now be incentivized to cover it up, not say anything, and not risk self-incrimination to point out those actually making the decisions. Those who would choose the more virtuous, but self-sacrificing path, will still choose it. So what did you gain by prosecuting them? Some small sense of justice, maybe? Maybe? Far better gained from prosecuting those actually making the decisions and responsible for it in the first place. What did you lose, though? God only knows how much information that gets withheld in fear of self-incrimination, covered up, destroyed, forgotten. How many real monsters go free because the 18-year-old who was told "Shoot or die" is scared shitless that his life is over if he says something? Practically, not worth it. And if you instead opt for the death penalty, yet another entire discussion of its own, then you get the same effect, but even more severe. You put them between assured death now, or only a possible death later... if they don't cover it up well enough. Funnily enough, they're just even more incentivized to cover it up and hide it with the threat of death penalty. I'm all for holding people who have not just the most basic level of free will but *actual practical choices in the matter* responsible for it. But we might want to think about just what unintended effects we might have on future justice and investigations by hammering at those who, yes, may have the most fundamental level of free will in the moment but not the privilege of exercising fair choices. As a capitalist, incentive should be understood to be an extremely powerful force.
@christophermoonlightproduction
@christophermoonlightproduction 3 года назад
Deathnote would be a good one.
@travelsizedlions
@travelsizedlions 3 года назад
Code Geese: The Honkening.
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 3 года назад
I hope that's what I'm getting into!
@jordanthomas4379
@jordanthomas4379 3 года назад
Edward, friend.
@damonknight2494
@damonknight2494 2 года назад
iron blooded orphans is a great show about child soldiers
@jonboulet1614
@jonboulet1614 3 года назад
Two things deserve to be pointed out. First Major Armstrong did disobey brutal orders although the anime may not make it clear, he did not kill the Ishvallan child he is seen holding. Indeed the slaughter of women and children caused him to cease the fight and undergo a near nervous breakdown. This is why despite his obvious talents he is so low on the military food chain. Second, the Ishvallan People and their situation are not comparable to major genocides like the Holocaust or the Armenian Genocide as they were (by all appearances) the aggressors.Oh sure, the audience knows that Envy murdered the child quite deliberately but consider the Amestrian point of view. A moderate soldier, and open opponent of the annexation of Ishval was charged with killing an Ishvallan child and the official line is that it was an accident. Well yeah, anyone who wasn't there but was made aware of his record would assume that was the case as an intentional murder would be vastly out of character for him (which it was as Envy points out during the monologue revealing that Envy started the war). Then the Ishvallan People lead a military uprising that not only drives Amestrians out of their homeland but devastated their countryside as far west as Resembool (which is in the middle of the country on the east/west axis) and this went on for Seven Years.It was only after that long protracted conflict that Bradley ordered the extermination campaign and sent in the State Alchemists. (Now of course this was all Bradley and Father's intention from the beginning but only central command's highest echelons know that) When that campaign began, they were not assaulting defenseless civilians but driving off an invading force, one that had killed many of their countrymen. At some point this does stop being a valid conflict of course but aw what point specifically? When they reached the Ishvallan homeland? When the outer defenses were breached? Or perhaps when their leader attempted to surrender but remember that attempt would not necessarily have been known (although it was to Basque Gran as he defied orders to make it happen and Roy Mustang as he was Gran's subordinate.) My point being this was in point of fact a war, with casualties on both sides till the very end. If you are calling for a Nuremberg after such a conflict that is fine. But I would like to know where you'd draw the line in such a messy affair before you started handing out executions.
@dontbothertoreply9755
@dontbothertoreply9755 3 года назад
Kaji is the anime you are looking for.
@sakaue
@sakaue 3 года назад
Rezero, hiruashi when the cicadas cry, and demon slayer were 3 really good anime that ive watched. If you choose to watch rezero or higurashi, i do really recommend using the japanese audio since the english voice actors just dont work with it. Rezero has a massive focus on character development with the lead character "resetting" to a checkpoint in time after each death in a fantasy world, higurashi has characters slowly descending into insanity with a wacky timeline and interesting reasoning, and demon slayer is about, well, demon slayers. An illegal paramilitary group that kills demons in (meiji period?) japan.
@ThePowerofStoriesDK
@ThePowerofStoriesDK 3 года назад
Great video, FEE. Nice to see you all dipping your toes into the anime genre. Lots of great stories there that get overlooked by western audiences. As for my suggestion going forward, I really do think Code Geass would be a target rich environment for you guys. So many topics to delve into, from imperialism, to the complex reality of terrorism, to exploitation, racism, collectivism, and free will. Can't go wrong when it comes to analysis, because all the characters and systems in it are so incredibly nuanced. Anyway, I do wish you'd gone a little more in-depth with FMAB, but, as usual, loved hearing what you had to say. Keep up the good work! As for you other viewers, I also analyze various stories on my channel, including Death Note and Code Geass. Give 'em a look if that kind of content interests you!
@rook1294
@rook1294 3 года назад
I think you will really like code geass! Another anime that actually directly deals with economics and I would argue is essentially an introduction to economics in anime form is called spice and wolf. It follows a traveling merchant who picks up a woman who is the embodiment of a wolf. While it has some more fantastical elements, the main thrust of the anime is exploring several economic issues like valuation of currency, stock prices, and trade practices.
@TorridPrime217
@TorridPrime217 3 года назад
Leave nothing for Wisecrack. Wisecrack is composed entirely of pseudointellectual hacks
@luxintenebris1776
@luxintenebris1776 3 года назад
Everyone loves Armstrong eventually
@jonnyboi841
@jonnyboi841 2 года назад
We participated in a genocide Barney - The Flit Stones
@d3ltazer0judgement
@d3ltazer0judgement Год назад
The voice that dub mustang is so weird for him 💀
@OceanAce
@OceanAce 3 года назад
2:11 Will do. See you back in a soon.
@torlumnitor8230
@torlumnitor8230 3 года назад
i am suprised you didn't talk about the cost of alchemy. That being the energy from an alternate dimension.
@John199312
@John199312 3 года назад
I still hope to one day be as manly as Armstrong.
@stephencrawley2862
@stephencrawley2862 3 года назад
I really want to recommend Madoka Magica because it has so many philosophical and moral themes, but I honestly am not sure if any of them would be applicable for FEE, plus it is a magical girl show, which is a hard sell to anyone just getting in to anime.
@scotteskridge7460
@scotteskridge7460 2 года назад
Anyone here firing unvaccinated employees because they are just following orders?
@grekygrek
@grekygrek 3 года назад
Dude i fuckin LOVE armstrong. He is the best.
@SpookyTanukiGaming
@SpookyTanukiGaming 3 года назад
Psycho Pass and Ghost in the Shell are good ones to analyze.
@needler117
@needler117 3 года назад
@Foundation for Economic Education Black Lagoon is a good one you might like.
@jobsidian4219
@jobsidian4219 3 года назад
You show watch the 2003 fma I like to see what your thoughts on it.
@deedlefake
@deedlefake 3 года назад
Oh, you watched the dub... Anyways, I'd highly recommend adding explicitly economic shows to your list, such as Spice and Wolf. There are some others, but that's the best known.
@alttab3694
@alttab3694 3 года назад
10:17 he said Code Geass instead of Code Geasse lol. Also, what would FEE think about Magento's reaction to the fleet in Cuba from Xmen Origins. Seems to relate to this video a lot.
@flyingturret208thecannon5
@flyingturret208thecannon5 3 года назад
Considering the channel, the best TV work I’d recommend would be the live action show called White Collar.
@Umirua
@Umirua 3 года назад
Better to end as a martyr than to try to be a hero but instead become the villain
@solacehealer7589
@solacehealer7589 3 года назад
Dr Stone is definitely the best one out of those three for your video style and content. I think you’ll enjoy the dichotomy between the two kingdoms, science and might.
@Large_Mar
@Large_Mar 3 года назад
*Reads title* “Well what’s wrong with genocide?”
@TurdFlingingMonkey
@TurdFlingingMonkey 3 года назад
I'm surprised you didn't make the connection between the Japanese writers of the Anime and the real-world atrocities the Japanese committed in China during WW2, and that maybe that's why such themes were prominent in the show.
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 3 года назад
Japan has never ever commited any sort of war attrocities you liar. Hey, stop looking under that rug!
@Derekloffin
@Derekloffin 3 года назад
There is a lot of complications that really have to be addressed in these type of situations. For one is pretty much never just 'follow orders or not'. Quite often it is 'follow order or go to jail' or even 'follow orders or die', or possibly worst 'follow orders or not only will you die, but potentially your family too'. Then you have the issue of psychology where even with no pressure, we're heavily wired to conform to the group. There is numerous psychological experiments showing just how ridiculous this is. It isn't absolute, but it is something that has to be acknowledged. Still, ultimately, this is one of those odd times were excuses probably should remain just excuses, not defenses. We don't want to give people get out of jail free cards for absolutely abhorrent behavior.
@femsplainer
@femsplainer 3 года назад
So the problem I have with these kinds of arguments is that you are using the promise of repercussions as justification for following a bad order. That is not a logical conclusion to draw, because threat of punishment could then be used to justify any action under the right circumstances. Certainly our laws understand duress to be a mitigating factor but ultimately it's not an excuse. Still I think the people saying that the "I was just following orders" is not an actual defense don't actually understand the military. Soldiers must follow orders with high fidelity in order for a military to function properly. Without that degree of discipline, then the entire order breaks down. As such, the "following orders defense" should in fact carry a lot more weight, because with great power comes great responsibility and so the people giving those orders to their subordinates must be held to a MUCH higher degree of culpability than the soldiers themselves. I think that soldiers that willfully obey illegal orders should face punishment of course, but in the same breath, I think that leaders who violate their ethical obligations by issuing illegal orders should receive exponentially more punishment.
@rahn45
@rahn45 3 года назад
It boils down to variations of the trolley problem. Do you do nothing and watch a dozen people die, or do you pull a lever and kill one person. Do you do nothing and watch the train go by you? Knowing full well where the destination leads, or do you stand up and join them on that train.
@Sunaki1000
@Sunaki1000 3 года назад
You mean Explanation, not Excuse, an Excuse is an Defense.
@femsplainer
@femsplainer 3 года назад
@@Sunaki1000 An excuse is not actually the same thing as a defense. An excuse is a POTENTIAL defense, but not a defense unto itself. That's why people can say "no excuses" when a subordinate screws up and tries to pass the buck. Kind of like what happened at Nuremberg.
@Sunaki1000
@Sunaki1000 3 года назад
@@femsplainer Nuremberg? You mean Nürnberg? Well you can use it as Synonym, but your probably right its a little different.
@sergiob.6499
@sergiob.6499 3 года назад
"at the end of the day, you are the one who has to live with yourself and the things you've done" Truer words could not have been said better.
@ammoiscurrency5706
@ammoiscurrency5706 3 года назад
@Mackenzie Bauroth just because the justification can be understood that doesn't make it ok. Often it only takes one person to stand up for others to stand with them. What you live for can be overshadowed by what you die for.
@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384
@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 2 года назад
@Mackenzie Bauroth Looks like the demoralization is going perfectly.
@ambatuBUHSURK
@ambatuBUHSURK 9 месяцев назад
​@@mackenziebauroth4989war criminals also think only their group should survive. Survival isn't always a mn excuse or defense for your lack of morality and empathy.
@letters_from_paradise
@letters_from_paradise 3 года назад
Just saying, Death Note would make for an excellent libertarian analysis
@Snakedude4life
@Snakedude4life 3 года назад
Psycho pass and Code Geass too. Dead man Wonderland as well! (if we ever got more than one season)
@andrewnietfeld7213
@andrewnietfeld7213 3 года назад
One piece
@DocsDota
@DocsDota 3 года назад
Definitely Death Note, because we can take a look at the morality of whether any death is truly justified.
@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906
@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 3 года назад
@@Snakedude4life Yeah Psycho Pass is important
@TheMagnificentMongoSlade
@TheMagnificentMongoSlade 3 года назад
Absolutely. Death Note can bring serious discussion
@Florkl
@Florkl 3 года назад
NGL I’m pretty sure everyone who recommended this was doing so with the expectation you’d pick something involving the people in power for your topic.
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 3 года назад
I would hope so. Cause I don't know how I'd have done a religious analysis.
@daniellu1321
@daniellu1321 3 года назад
@@FEEonline I feel like everyoone just picked these options pertaining to their favorite show. But I think something like attack on titan or death note might be more thematicly rich and tells more about your type of analysis
@b3rz3rk3r9
@b3rz3rk3r9 3 года назад
I thought he'd analyze a law on Alchemy passed by the state that Major General Armstrong mentioned in passing: "It is forbidden to turn Lead into Gold, because of the effects it would have on the economy."
@davigurgel2040
@davigurgel2040 3 года назад
@@b3rz3rk3r9 i think also it is interesting to analyze how alchemy would change the economic value of all things, not only gold specifically. Like, i imagine the amount of brute matter would be much more valuable over the specific properties of an item, if an alchemist can make a chair out of a tree, would the chair be worth more than the amount of wood in it? It anulates the value input of work. I imagine an economy in a world where alchemy is unregulated trade value would be solely based on the amount of matter in an object.
@nicolinrucker5181
@nicolinrucker5181 3 года назад
@@davigurgel2040 maybe if alchemy wasn't so fekkin hard. Like, the characters we follow are pretty explicitly in the 0.1% of Alchemists, and Alchemists are like 1% or so of the population.
@DreamTiger5
@DreamTiger5 3 года назад
Just gonna point out that ‘equivalent exchange’ in the context of alchemy is physical materials. For example you can change 10 lbs worth of stone into a 10 lb stone statue by simply rearranging how the molecules are structured; what you cannot do when bound by the normal limits is change one thing into something completely different, namely coal into gold. It’s all bound by the law of conservation of matter.
@jacobscott1433
@jacobscott1433 3 года назад
I think they can change coal into gold, it's just against the law. They mention it once or twice, and he definitely does things like turn stone or brick into steel.
@pr_disaster2238
@pr_disaster2238 3 года назад
@Jacob Scott I always assumed that when they managed to make a metal weapon out of stone it was because they were transmuting the trace amounts of iron and other metals within the stone. I do recall them mentioning being able to transmute coal into gold though, which would mean that transmutation is happening on a subatomic level rather than the atomic level. Even then, the law of equivalent exchange should still be purely mathematical. (i.e. If you have enough protons, neutrons, and electrons you can make gold)
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 3 года назад
Pretty sure Yoki mentioned that the gold Edward gave him turned back into coal, and if I remember the 2003 anime's telling of the events since Brotherhood glossed that whole arc over, Edward just took some a bag full of gold coins and just thinned out the metal to make gold outer plating for the coal.
@VyseLegendaire
@VyseLegendaire 3 года назад
You definitely can do alchemy in today's political climate though. For instance, turning global cooling into global warming through data fabrication and hiding past measured trends.
@theyellowmeaning
@theyellowmeaning 3 года назад
*conservation of energy. Alchemy and Alkahestry are explained in-universe to be partially reliant on tectonic energy being consumed to catalyse the rearrangement of matter and somehow, this tectonic energy can be harnessed to exchange for the work necessary to make the changes made through the magical process.
@nixthelapin9869
@nixthelapin9869 3 года назад
One of my favorite things about FMA is that the characters who participated (but regret) their actions were very willing to receive consequences for their actions. Edward was shocked when Hawkeye told him that she and Mustang wouldn’t fight any convictions against them, but they do deserve it. They wish they didn’t do it, but people are dead. It allows for atonement, but also is very realistic about how that won’t fix things that already happened. I love how they don’t do the usual anime thing if forgetting atrocities because villains become “good.”
@ambatuBUHSURK
@ambatuBUHSURK 9 месяцев назад
No atonement for war criminals. It's basically a story of war criminals lmfao with very little Ishvalan perspective or justice. It's only realistic in the sense that it's a good watch for genocide apologists and denialists. The show doesn't even portray their internal conflict (if they had) and we the audience are expected to celebrate or atleast like them just because they hesitate wiping out the enemy now in fears of being consumed by hate again AFTER doing all those things to Ishvalans lol. It's a joke. That's not how things work and they should have been punished for their actions and should have been portrayed as evil or atleast morally neutral characters instead of sympathetic and injured damsels. Atonement is nothing more than an excuse for war criminals to avoid facing the consequences of their actions when their power has been stripped away.
@strovik1454
@strovik1454 3 года назад
Spice and wolf is much more up this channels alley to be honest
@Puffzilla777
@Puffzilla777 3 года назад
Kaijo!!! talking about new sports and supply & demand
@Snakedude4life
@Snakedude4life 3 года назад
“Redo of Healer: Where do I even start???”
@GiRR007
@GiRR007 3 года назад
@@Snakedude4life redo healer is just porn so no
@droberts4791
@droberts4791 3 года назад
that's true, it's far from one of my favorite anime but it is definitely something this guy would get a kick out of
@pr_disaster2238
@pr_disaster2238 3 года назад
I think this channel is really more geared toward examining the morality of economic and political systems, which Spice and Wolf never really gets into. It sticks more closely to the technicalities of trading and economy.
@Timelord888
@Timelord888 3 года назад
By equivalent exchange. They typically mean in the matter and energy sense. The first law of thermodynamics.
@anhtunguyen781
@anhtunguyen781 3 года назад
yeah, by that mean you can not create more energy as well as matter out of nowhere
@Timelord888
@Timelord888 3 года назад
@@anhtunguyen781 Though that begs the question. Could they use trasmute matter into energy?
@anhtunguyen781
@anhtunguyen781 3 года назад
@@Timelord888 no I don't think so, unless they are able to seperate proton, neutron and electron, then probably not every element is possible, like maybe something simple as Hydrogen and Oxygen
@Timelord888
@Timelord888 3 года назад
@@anhtunguyen781 In the show they turned Coal, which is Carbon (6 Protons) into Gold (79 Protons)
@anhtunguyen781
@anhtunguyen781 3 года назад
@@Timelord888 I saw that, but like, I think it is because they used engergy to turn coal into gold just like how they form the shapes of other objects, you can see May explained how her alchemy is different from them (it is kinda close to what you want), basically that the energy have to be used to change objects or elements, not control them freely however, still, instead of some specific objects they might be able to do that with air, just that the energy will spread and not as effective as using solid objects in comparison, it is like when you punch something, that object will absorb the energy from your punch or maybe you are just throwing fist in the air but you can not stand still not doing anything and produce the same energy like your punch. Your brain have to control your body, create chemical reaction etc so that the energy inside your body will turn into a punch and that punch will transfer the energy out side, like transmution circles used on objects and elements
@michaelobrien9053
@michaelobrien9053 3 года назад
I will point out that King is his first name, not part of his title
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 3 года назад
I actually didn't get that from watching the show, but it did seem odd.
@kaynesylvar8277
@kaynesylvar8277 3 года назад
@@FEEonline I believe it’s on his tombstone, and in the backstory bits for him in later seasons, when he was given his name by the Central Alchemists.
@michaelobrien9053
@michaelobrien9053 3 года назад
@@FEEonline I actually made that mistake the first time I read the manga lol. It happens
@vashythewabbit8288
@vashythewabbit8288 3 года назад
@@FEEonline yeah it's okay, it took me 2 rereadings and rewatchings to realize that his first name was King.
@sunnyboyLars
@sunnyboyLars 3 года назад
Somehow you missed a core part of what this entire series is about. Taking ownership of your actions sounds good from an armchair critics point of view. But what if a single word of dissent costs you your live, or worse, those of your loved ones. And what if, even then, nothing changes at all. The dilemma of those living in a dictatorship. If you don't pull the trigger, someone else who actually cares for his family, will do it in your stead. And all you have achieved is more death and misery, this time from those close to you. How do you handle the fact that sometimes, no matter what choice you make, nothing will change. How will you handle the result of your choices, if every choice leads to death. How will you handle the fact that people, who are forced into choosing between bad decisions, are still human in the end? There is a reason you are first made to like the characters, before the backstory is revealed. Big part of the reason that the Elric brothers could stay that pure, is because there was Colonel Mustang standing behind them. Doing the dirty work, so that he could one day change the system from within. He acted as an umbrella for them. The following quote illustrates a part of the problem: “Morals are a luxury of the rich.”― George Bernard Shaw Speaking of morals is always easy, if you don't give a thought about who exactly you are talking about and the struggles they go through. You speak of Arkhipov, but for every Arkhipov there are 100,000 people that are too low on the totem pole to achieve anything with a refusal. I never heard you talk about about the thousands of people shot dead for the refusal to obey orders. Orders, that got finished by someone else regardless. We only remember the rare few, that actually achieved something. Cherry picking at its finest.
@khaoticmage2027
@khaoticmage2027 3 года назад
@Mackenzie Bauroth Or the worse option in the USSR and Germany of "be a soldier or watch as we slowly kill your wife, children, uncles, aunts, grandparents, your wife's family, siblings. We might even get a close friend of yours do it. Or make YOU do it." There is no such thing as morality in war, and anybody who says otherwise I hope never has do deal with such a situation, because I guarantee they will break far before those who recognize this truth will. Also if Arkhipov had refused, whose to say that the person who replaced him wouldn't have been even worse?
@janzethsacmar6309
@janzethsacmar6309 2 года назад
Exactly
@vhanda
@vhanda 3 года назад
This makes it seem like the decision was simply following orders or not. Often, not following them can come at very high costs - it might not be death, but in a highly patriotic country it can often result in being shunned as an outcast and/or spending your days in a prison. Sure, at that point you still have your morals, but it definitely isn't an easy choice.
@Wulfenbach
@Wulfenbach 3 года назад
All to easy so many people forget that Himmler brought in the practice of kin punishment, because to him, if the person was bad, it ran in the blood. So everyone else in the family was also tainted.
@Xqvvzts
@Xqvvzts 3 года назад
You say "it might not be death" but in the past insubordination could easily lead you to a firing squad. You get to be branded a deserter or a mutineer on top of that. There's a reason why Germans in Nuremberg all went for the "following orders" defence. It used to work.
@stansman5461
@stansman5461 3 года назад
But that's the question on which principles will you make your last stand? You can follow orders and be punished for them later. Why? Because you knowingly followed wrong orders. Or you can disobey them and risk your life but you'll atleast die for your principles. That being said, I completely understand the "Just following orders" defense considering the milgram experiments.
@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist 3 года назад
@@stansman5461 Will you give the state a reason to execute your family because it believes in kin punishment? It's no longer just about your own morals and life.
@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner
@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner 3 года назад
Armstrong is pretty much there to show what happens to the people that didn't obey orders. It's not very obvious, but people do look down on him. Probably if he wasn't an alchemist and not part of the armstrong family he'd be executed. His sister even said that she was so ashamed that she'd rather hand the family over to mustang than him. There are probably other people that didn't attack Ishval, but wasn't armstrong.
@benjamintworek
@benjamintworek 3 года назад
In the military today we have a rule called unlawful order. Any order deemed to take a life of a non combatants or go against articles in the uniform code of military justice are unlawful. You have the right to choose to not follow these orders but I can tell you that it is hard to not be swept up in the brotherhood and comraderie of the experience. The other thing that drives someone to follow unlawful orders is fear, fear of being attacked by others in your Corp if you go against them or fear of being discharged dishonorable because you didn't follow something you don't agree with. I'm not justifying any unlawful order and haven't been presented with any myself there are reasons people follow them.
@thirdplanet4471
@thirdplanet4471 3 года назад
Group conformity is an interesting thing
@TMAN5775
@TMAN5775 3 года назад
I served in the Marine Corps. When I became a non-commissioned officer I had thought heavily about this issue of free will and immoral orders. And sadly I was ostracized by my command, peers, and platoon where they sent me away to the armory. My argument was to train the Marines under me to make conscious, ethical, and just decisions beyond the scope of taking care of each other. Instead I was met with a very lazy counter point of “you’re an nco, they need to be obedient to your commands” now I have rebuilt those relationships with my old platoon, who just as you mention live with some of the questionable decisions they made in active duty. Think about your moral framework before arriving to a situation like these.
@scurvydog20
@scurvydog20 3 года назад
Sorry but no. Simple fact of the matter is war is terrible there are lines that shouldn't be crossed but it unjust to expect a soldier to be able to see the full situation. For example a soldier shoots a civilian child war crime right? No turns out the child was strapped with an explosive and would have killed the soldier. Even one of the examples you use is crap. The separation of families at the border is to ensure the adults are the actual parents. Your standard of behavior would lead to hundreds of children being sold into sex trafficking because you're view is short sighted and to overarching to account for realities on the ground.
@nickelakon5369
@nickelakon5369 3 года назад
His title is not "Furher King" His name is King Bradley, his title is Furher.
@shawnboahene5231
@shawnboahene5231 3 года назад
Yeah after all that would repetitive
@DreZato12
@DreZato12 3 года назад
No his Title is Furher King Bradley. his name is Wrath
@nickelakon5369
@nickelakon5369 3 года назад
@@DreZato12 his legal name is King Bradley, his true name is Jugemu-jugemu Gokōnosurikire Kaijarisuigyo-no Suigyōmatsu Unraimatsu Fūraimatsu Kūnerutokoroni-sumutokoro Yaburakōjino-burakōji Paipopaipo-paiponoshūringan Shūringanno-gūrindai Gūrindaino-ponpokopīno-ponpokonāno Chōkyūmeino-chōsuke in japanese and Russell Daniel Paul Blake Joseph Alan Eric Fred Orson Trevor Richard Charletons Christopher Benedict Garfield Polyurethane Nicholas Robert Theodore Skeet Michael Alvin Carter Bryce Jeffrey Marigold Peter Ethan Arin Papa Willie Nathaniel Orville Chuck Slippy Slappy Zippy Zappy Angel Eyes in English
@vashythewabbit8288
@vashythewabbit8288 3 года назад
@@nickelakon5369 Lol, I forgot about that joke.
@tompegorinno5141
@tompegorinno5141 3 года назад
When I see an out of frame, it must be Christmas. Double points since its about Full Metal Alchemist.
@LDub01031994
@LDub01031994 3 года назад
Code Geass will very much be up "Out of Frame"'s alley. Especially towards the end of season 2 where three major characters basically espouse direct political philosophies and ideals that they strive for.
@eldestdragon5766
@eldestdragon5766 3 года назад
I wonder what his opinion on Lelouch will be by the end of it.
@philosophicaljay3449
@philosophicaljay3449 3 года назад
@@eldestdragon5766 When you judge Lelouch by the standards of the world we live in he seems much worse than when you judge him by the standards of the world of Code Geass, but it would be a fantastic episode of "Out of Frame" none-the-less
@eldestdragon5766
@eldestdragon5766 3 года назад
@@philosophicaljay3449 Yeah, that is about what I think. I see a lot of people label Lelouch as a utilitarian, but with how the series ends, I am not so sure. I just wonder if Out of Frame will just focus on Lelouch’s authoritarian acts and overlook other parts of his character.
@philosophicaljay3449
@philosophicaljay3449 3 года назад
@@eldestdragon5766 I mean, one basically needs to be an authoritarian on some level in that universe. The only countries that are "free" are part of the EU and even then it is questionable how free they are. Outside of that you have the Tyrannical Britannia, the communist Chinese Federation, and a handful of states that are either vassals, soon to be vassals, or are forced to be almost military dictatorships in order to remain independent. If the focus is put too much on the authoritarianism of Lelouch then it really would be a disappointing episode.
@eldestdragon5766
@eldestdragon5766 3 года назад
@@philosophicaljay3449 Speaking of China, they say they are communist, but they don’t do a good job of showing it in the anime. I mean they still have the freaking monarchy!
@thomastegroen1274
@thomastegroen1274 3 года назад
Haha. I might be wrong, but I believe it’s “Code Gee-Oss” not “Code Geese”. Awesome FMA review though, can’t wait for more. :)
@johnnydollar579
@johnnydollar579 3 года назад
NNNEERRDDD. Your right though
@travelsizedlions
@travelsizedlions 3 года назад
*Honking intensifies*
@lainiwakura1776
@lainiwakura1776 3 года назад
It's pronounced gayce.
@zeehero7280
@zeehero7280 3 года назад
Code geass is pretty good altho it has its flaws and also the only anime with an actually good english dub. I think this channel really misses the point of a lot of fiction being FICTION. I love when they tear into media ruined by leftist tripe, but a lot of the time they make some really silly criticisms of thigns that were never intended to be looked at through a real life lens.
@thomastegroen1274
@thomastegroen1274 3 года назад
I think any good work can be applied to real life if you want to do that, but if you want to look at the surface level meaning instead you can do that too. The applicability comes from morals/themes that are universal.
@LovingPrinceTamayuki
@LovingPrinceTamayuki 3 года назад
Another anime I would highly recommend doing for this series is Psychopass.
@natethegreat5968
@natethegreat5968 3 года назад
FMAB is one but my favorite animes. Also you should watch code geass it’s an amazing and beautiful show
@lainiwakura1776
@lainiwakura1776 3 года назад
Lol no it's not, it's badly written drivel that's not trying to be anything more than entertaining. If you want real politics, Gundam is where it's at. You weren't around for the memes though, were you?
@lidu6363
@lidu6363 3 года назад
I believe that the "equal value" is very much defined on the chemical level... although I can't be sure the chemistry in their world is the same as in ours...
@travelsizedlions
@travelsizedlions 3 года назад
That detail got me as well. "Equal" isn't a subjective concept. It is perhaps the most objective concept there is. That's why it's so interesting when trying to apply it to subjective or non-numerical things like the value of a life or the work put into a creation.
@thereseemstobeenanerror1219
@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 3 года назад
I just got done watching "Uniquenameosaurus" talk about Fullmetal how nice.
@travisbishop782
@travisbishop782 3 года назад
So did i!
@corenlavolpe6143
@corenlavolpe6143 3 года назад
Love Unique's channel
@imjustczarina
@imjustczarina 2 года назад
Fullmetal Alchemist is my ALL TIME favorite anime. Whether it be the manga, 2004 or the brotherhood version. Everything about it is simply amazing.
@firestone2178
@firestone2178 3 года назад
Thank you for making a great anime video. By the way its pronounced Code "Ge-aws".
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 3 года назад
Thanks.
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