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Future Financial Crises Will Be Deeper, Universa's Spitznagel Says 

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Sep.14 -- Mark Spitznagel, Universa Investments LP founder, discusses the lessons learned from the 2008 financial crisis. He speaks with Bloomberg's Erik Schatzker.

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@abishekraju9338
@abishekraju9338 6 лет назад
After 10 minutes of interviewing Mark, the interviewer asks him "why didnt your firm take a hit in Feb '18?". Bloody hilarious that he didnt figure out a word of what Mark was saying. How can an insurance provider ever get an explosive payoff? Phew, the fun with these large media channels.
@PebblzDragons
@PebblzDragons 5 лет назад
I laughed when he asked that
@alzahraalfozan4470
@alzahraalfozan4470 4 года назад
Abishek Raju he just got it lol 4000%
@minameaar1
@minameaar1 3 года назад
Had a good chuckle when he said that
@darthtrader4762
@darthtrader4762 2 года назад
You losers don't know either lol. If it was so easy, your dumb asses would explain the magic trick. Gee I dunno. He's buying deep in the money Puts that expire 3 years out? Lolz... You don't know, loser.
@Molloy1951
@Molloy1951 4 года назад
Spitznagel fund has just announced 3,600% return on March 2020...
@ellengran6814
@ellengran6814 6 лет назад
When Norway grew rich due to oil, our government decided to save money for future generations. US (the richest country on earth) government have dicided to take huge loans which future generations have to pay. We all got what we woted for.
@scottphillips8117
@scottphillips8117 3 года назад
GO BUY HIS BOOK RIGHT NOW. Seriously, it's amazing. Spitz is one serious cat
@jfausset
@jfausset 5 лет назад
The problem is inflationary currency in the first place
@slovokia
@slovokia 6 лет назад
One good metric to judge the degree of interventionism is the size of central bank balance sheets as a percent of GDP. That number seems destined to ratchet upwards until people start questioning the very basis of our financial system.
@Psycho-Nomics
@Psycho-Nomics 5 лет назад
Wrong. Large central bank balance sheets are a result of too little intervention. A central bank that lacks credibility or has the end wrong policy regime will find it's policy ineffective due to increased demand for money, for example.
@IntrospectiveLife
@IntrospectiveLife 5 лет назад
@10:14 ... the moment you realize that for the last 10 minutes Erik Schatzker hasn’t listened to anything Mark has said.
@siroos7
@siroos7 4 года назад
I think you can hear him laugh about it too
@libertysprings2244
@libertysprings2244 4 года назад
Hopefully we the people can make a new law to restrict the fed from doing QE without at least congressional approval. They will destroy the currency. Whenever the do QE they should be required to distribute that money equally to all citizens and also to any country that uses the USD as their currency.
@tylergherman
@tylergherman 6 лет назад
I love how every fund manager has a vague rambling answer about why their funds don't beat the S&P500. Yet people still dump millions of dollars into these people's pockets.
@blakemcmillian6493
@blakemcmillian6493 6 лет назад
Tyler Herman I was thinking the same, it's like he wasn't speaking in plain English.
@jdy7497
@jdy7497 5 лет назад
Most funds aren't trying to beat the S&P500. Most funds are trying to get almost the same return (but will happily accept less than) at a significantly lower risk level (as measured by standard deviation/exposure to volatility). If the S&P has an 11% return and a standard deviation of 2%, they'll happily accept a 9% return with a standard deviation of 1%. By that measurement they're doing better than the S&P.
@alexblack8780
@alexblack8780 5 лет назад
@@jdy7497 Yep. That's what happens when dumb people who know nothing about finance start jumping to conclusions
@juliekelliher8259
@juliekelliher8259 5 лет назад
@@jdy7497 well said
@malakai0321
@malakai0321 2 года назад
His fund is primarily for the preservation of capital in order to maximize the rate at which you’re able to compound. And ultimately as an investor that’s what’s most important .
@raekm
@raekm 6 лет назад
You have to jiujitsu the Fed :)
@dmonarredmonarre3076
@dmonarredmonarre3076 4 года назад
Perfect comment!
@keimo2007
@keimo2007 6 лет назад
next time, turn that ac off before recording!
@BloorStreetCapital
@BloorStreetCapital 4 года назад
Great interview!
@gordonadams5891
@gordonadams5891 6 лет назад
We're looking at a market bubble, deregulation, massive federal deficit and tax policy with a long history of failure. To this is added a trade war and sanctions. These are for the most part the same policies in place before the Great Depression.
@sourabhvora2164
@sourabhvora2164 3 года назад
1:35 free markets are what? Fragile? So did youbsort oncr single stock while selling all these put options?
@bigjohn7451
@bigjohn7451 5 лет назад
Interest rates may go down again... worry not
@alexanderwills570
@alexanderwills570 6 лет назад
You cannot let interest rates be determined by absolute market forces with a population over 300 million people; money velocity is absolutely essential in maintaining political and economic balance. If rates were set by private market actors there would mini-Feds (private firms, mostly commercial banks) who would horde capital when credit events occur, liquidity would be cut off instantaneously with market oriented interest rate pegging. There is a disconnect between money as a use-value and as an exchange value. Money's use is the inherent universal equivalent, or universal commodity of exchange, in market transactions. However, money's use is determined by the process of exchange itself, and the price money will fetch on the open market in either interest or real goods/services. This is the dialectical dilemma of money as a representation of commodities. When one hedges, one is hedging either for or against money's exchange-value with respect to it's use-value.
@Bunjee77
@Bunjee77 6 лет назад
SPITZNAGEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@DairangerSentai7
@DairangerSentai7 5 лет назад
So what and where should I invest in?
@whatsupbudbud
@whatsupbudbud 5 лет назад
Nothing aside from Bitcoin (keep your coins in a wallet where only you own the private key) and gold (small denomination coins like 20 Franks) until all markets are discounted. Then invest in real estate (the kind ordinary working class people can afford), fix em up and rent them out. Keep an eye on Australia's (!), Canada's and China's (!) real estate markets, US stock market & FED rate hikes (!), Italy's & Spain's economies in Europe, Brexit effects. Oh yeah, cash is king but keep in mind that banks are already protecting themselves against bank runs (here, in Europe, they are trying to ban cash for the past few years), therefore cash is king though it too can crash.
@jamiekloer6534
@jamiekloer6534 5 лет назад
Fiat money is not capitalism.
@Sjb2077
@Sjb2077 6 лет назад
One thing the financial industry needs to understand is that should there be another financial crash the ordinary man in the street will not tolerate a bale-out. Riots on the streets before that happens.
@hannesmonaghan8905
@hannesmonaghan8905 4 года назад
Unfortunately this comment did not age well
@chrissalley9468
@chrissalley9468 4 года назад
Gold, silver, Bitcoin
@DollarDown
@DollarDown 6 лет назад
End the Fed
@emersonherrera4939
@emersonherrera4939 6 лет назад
Jfk talk about it!!
@aethermass
@aethermass 2 года назад
Hey Bloomberg, I like Mark. His books are poorly written but contain some useful nuggets. However, in interviews, his is resistant to answering any question about his strategy. STOP asking those questions. Ask something else or just don't interview him.
@tariqjuneja
@tariqjuneja 6 лет назад
oh dear
@markmotarker
@markmotarker 4 года назад
10:22 Apparently he is pretending to know what a put option is? And gets caught?
@RK-bj8ho
@RK-bj8ho 4 года назад
The fund manager is selling an insured portfolio ....... not selling the actual insurance ......interviewer may have got confused on this
@bigjohn7451
@bigjohn7451 5 лет назад
This guy is fullofshit... individual stocks.. check it out... Starbucks in three months up 30 % ...target..3months up 17% ...lots of good stocks...go Trump
@thelasthourgetready
@thelasthourgetready 6 лет назад
His face says it all. If he in derivatives he's not that smart
@TWWIW
@TWWIW 4 года назад
Agreed
@thomashenshallhydraxis
@thomashenshallhydraxis 6 лет назад
Jujitsu is fighting, what kind of stupid ass remark was that? When comments are made in that nature it’s hard for me to believe any of the other part that I don’t already know.
@MetalBum
@MetalBum 5 лет назад
Sounds like he’s saying to buy gold. Silver. Be defensive
@firstcentury1045
@firstcentury1045 5 лет назад
Sound more like Bitcoin
@davidchavez1928
@davidchavez1928 6 лет назад
why he didn´t just say that this portfolio included gold in metallic?..it´s just he avoided to mention these hard assets
@kusari86
@kusari86 6 лет назад
He buys put options
@nuclearbananaphone
@nuclearbananaphone 4 года назад
Gold isn't a hedge or insurance policy. He's talking about spending a small portion of money to buy out of the money put options that blow up in value when the market crashes.
@katehillier1027
@katehillier1027 3 года назад
This is beyond irresponsible reckless amoral you should not be able to sleep at night.
@cityhunter2006
@cityhunter2006 6 лет назад
If you invest but don't gamble, there is just no 'volatility tax'. It‘s because you gamble in trading that cause the problem. But I like these traders because the more they trade the more value opportunities they bring to the market.
@alexblack8780
@alexblack8780 6 лет назад
You are actually so stupid holy fuck. Do you even understand the basic properties of geometric average returns? Holy fuck, just do some basic research, but you probably don't even understand basic algebra so you wouldn't even understand how the volatility tax affects everyone. Idiot
@likeshareandsubscribe2866
@likeshareandsubscribe2866 6 лет назад
Diversity is overrated.
@steveelliott77
@steveelliott77 6 лет назад
No helpful information.
@cal1686
@cal1686 6 лет назад
He basically said invest in the market but buy insurance. He didn't want to say what insurance to buy because he doesn't want you to go buying the exact same thing driving up his cost! But basically they touched on one type of insurance. Buying a put option.
@sails3538
@sails3538 6 лет назад
Lier.... 1981 was just as bad as 2008 ...... and worse world wide. 1981, 1991, 1999, 2008 we are due for the next one people. Sell and keep cash.
@soltour87
@soltour87 6 лет назад
Good point - I would also buy some gold and silver too
@sails3538
@sails3538 6 лет назад
Gold and silver are as bad as stocks. Completely useless. When Obama was elected the US dept was 72% of GDP. Now its 107% of GDP. Australia and China had no real negative set back the last recession because they produce products. And China bailed out the US over the last 10 yrs with loans. Now America has alienated its allies and China what will America do in their up coming crash? Because it will be another financial institutions crisis...... because the American financial models are shit.
@karmafairy351
@karmafairy351 6 лет назад
Keep cash? More like stocking up the non-perishable foods!
@soltour87
@soltour87 6 лет назад
Physical gold and silver are a commodity and have been around for thousands of years, before all the different currencies existed. If all the countries keep printing money like they are currently, your cash is worth less, but gold a silver will hold their value in the end
@gropro4618
@gropro4618 6 лет назад
Btc
@richardjagoe8626
@richardjagoe8626 6 лет назад
His shamshifter is stuck in his toggleflogger 😉
@bbolin711
@bbolin711 6 лет назад
There you go with the technical terms again :)
@sourabhvora2164
@sourabhvora2164 3 года назад
Which philosopher? Schopenhauer, descartes, kant? Which exactly? not that smart now, are you? But hey would not even call you intelligent. But hey, you can try bein' one.
@truhunk1
@truhunk1 6 лет назад
Not much insight, but at least he didn't feed us a bunch of B.S.
@1swagger58
@1swagger58 6 лет назад
There will be no financial crisis until 2020
@ToPlantASeed1
@ToPlantASeed1 6 лет назад
Says some random guy on RU-vid named ``swagger``
@Bunjee77
@Bunjee77 6 лет назад
I actually think the crash will be in 2017. Oh wait...
@emersonherrera4939
@emersonherrera4939 6 лет назад
@@ToPlantASeed1 ☝👀
@sourabhvora2164
@sourabhvora2164 4 года назад
Crasihes. What is he even a graduate like Mark Zuckerberg? 4... 4.05
@stevecoppinger2519
@stevecoppinger2519 2 года назад
This guy - " I have a degree so I am smart".
@paulh2468
@paulh2468 6 лет назад
Mark is a very lucky guy. He will never have to go to jail, regardless of what crimes he committed or will commit.
@Rothbardo
@Rothbardo 6 лет назад
What the hell is that even supposed to mean?
@idk_bud
@idk_bud 6 лет назад
@@Rothbardo .... The fact you have to ask that question means you don't understand the basics. What is understood does not need to be explained. Go read some books
@Rothbardo
@Rothbardo 6 лет назад
I understand plenty
@ferelgreat
@ferelgreat 6 лет назад
The fact that you didn't answer the question proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
@idk_bud
@idk_bud 6 лет назад
@@ferelgreat ..... Go to the 8:00 minute mark. Re-play this video from that mark until the end over and over and over again. If you don't see the answers clear as sun shine..... Don't worry.... 90 percent of the population doesn't either.
@marystuart1944
@marystuart1944 5 лет назад
Double talk...
@Jan_YTview
@Jan_YTview 6 лет назад
Diversification is what we do when we diversify . . 😏🙄 he's one hell of a convex expert 😖
@cal1686
@cal1686 6 лет назад
He actually said de-worse-ification as a joke.
@thetaeater
@thetaeater 6 лет назад
What a snake oil salesman. He does some that is exceeding simple yet refuses to explain what he does because anyone with half a brain could do it themselves.
@nuclearbananaphone
@nuclearbananaphone 4 года назад
It isn't worthwhile in the long run, because all the time you are losing money to premiums on your insurance. It's like arguing that my car insurance is an investment, because if I total the car I get back a lot more than I paid in premiums. The problem is that my insurance will go up and in the long run recoup the costs, and that's only in a scenario where they don't refuse to pay. If a corporation goes under, it's first obligation is to its debt holders, not shareholders. Puts and swaps become worthless when the price hits $0. On top of the premiums you pay for out of the money options, buying this fund requires you to pay substantial fees which eat into your profit even more.
@oitotheworld23
@oitotheworld23 3 года назад
@@nuclearbananaphone Does that explain why his fund returned 4,000% last year?
@jsallerson
@jsallerson 6 лет назад
This guy is completely not taking any accountability to admitting to any information out of fear of being quoted as being incorrect, and thus losing future customers. He wants to give the impression that he can anticipate financial down turns by promising diversification as a means of protection. Which isn’t wrong, but it means he basically doesn’t know what’s going to happen.
@fuzzzeballs
@fuzzzeballs 6 лет назад
yeh we going to have an acident
@worldtravel4973
@worldtravel4973 4 года назад
Fuzz Zeballs good predictions
@sirus312
@sirus312 5 лет назад
buy bitcoin
@willykitheka7618
@willykitheka7618 6 лет назад
...and dodgy too!
@raybod1775
@raybod1775 5 лет назад
The Fed does its job as best it can. The problem is Congress and the President deficit spending money, passing lies like "Free Trade" with communist China and giving up sovereignty to international corporations who develop countries other than the United States.
@sarabeth8050
@sarabeth8050 6 лет назад
This guy is full of BS. He's basically said nothing.
@mulesttia
@mulesttia 3 года назад
Yeah right... His fund just made 3600% while everyone else is going out of business and getting margin calls.... Just because you dont understand it doesnt mean the guy is full of BS
@gaeldesmontagnesnoires1711
@gaeldesmontagnesnoires1711 6 лет назад
hilariously didn't say anything @ all hahaha who gives their money to guys like this???? hahaha
@tokotokotoko3
@tokotokotoko3 6 лет назад
This guy seems a lot like a snakes-oil salesman. He promises huge returns when the markets are stable AND "explosive" returns when they're volatile. Whenever asked how he does that magic trick, he just throws up weird terms he made up ("explosive insurance-like convex payoffs") that say nothing, just to appear smart.
@mulesttia
@mulesttia 3 года назад
His fund made 3600% in march this year...
@stevecoppinger2519
@stevecoppinger2519 2 года назад
Reading about how to fish isn't enough to be a good fisherman. At some point you have to do the the hard work of getting on a boat and taking the time, the risk that is required with seafaring . The exact how of his method is fluid but the philosophy is enduring. Markets have mispriced risk in the past, they will again in the future and you can profit from that. Even people with a less than a high school education can understand this stuff. If you want to be agnostic about better returns than the market - read and learn and do. If not just buy and a big index and keep 40% in cash. Then deploy cash when the market drops. The nice thing about the "empty hand" is that it usually signals a market bottom or at least near market bottom. Having fresh cash to deploy when the everything is on sale is the only way to shop for stocks (list keeping handy). Much of investing is waiting for the right time, or actively choosing not to invest. Witnessing the "empty hand" in my trading account in major indexes 3 times since 2016 was all the proof I needed (also exhilarating). If you don't know what the empty hand is, you haven't read the Dao of Capital. Reading all of Teleb works in conjunction with Spitznagle provide the right lens to see markets the way these guys do.
@stevecoppinger2519
@stevecoppinger2519 2 года назад
He also told everyone how he does it at great risk to his own proprietary strategy (market have changed since his methods have been divulged) . Thank you is all you need to say. If everyone were as generous as Taleb and Spitznagle the world be a better place.
@michaelbond781
@michaelbond781 6 лет назад
Let the market set interest rates, and the global economy will be better and fairer.
@lepetitroquet9410
@lepetitroquet9410 6 лет назад
Yes, because inflation is so much fun ^^ ! Yay !
@SlupkoJ
@SlupkoJ 4 года назад
He was right hehe
@astro24102
@astro24102 6 лет назад
Very intelligent.....he´s right about the fed.
@ClearOutSamskaras
@ClearOutSamskaras 6 лет назад
Why is it significant that he's intelligent?
@Capeau
@Capeau 4 года назад
@@ClearOutSamskaras stupid ppl tend to call someone who has the same opinion as them intelligent
@andrecb9587
@andrecb9587 6 лет назад
The answer is Bitcoin
@TPT91
@TPT91 5 лет назад
Andre Branco lol
@willykitheka7618
@willykitheka7618 6 лет назад
This guy actually says nothing...he comes across to me as someone who's very guarded!
@blessedspear2642
@blessedspear2642 6 лет назад
He says a lot. You just don't understand it lol
@johnny3583
@johnny3583 6 лет назад
He actually said a lot. You just need some deeper understanding of economics and finance in order to interpret it. He's a very smart dude, understands what's going on.
@unknowndude80
@unknowndude80 3 года назад
@@johnny3583 could you please explain what he said, that would be very helpful!
@8w494
@8w494 6 лет назад
Let the interest rates float and eliminate monetary policy (the Fed).
@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer
@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer 6 лет назад
??? and which bank gets then to decide how much money there really is? Or will there be a central blockchain (i.e. predetermined finite number of 'coins' in a public ledger) for banks? The problem isn't necessarily monetary policy. A central bank sits between two opposing goals. (1) Stability of money value. (2) Health of the economy. The £ is considered a stable currency. So was the German Mark by the Bundesbank (spiritual ancestor of the ECB). The centrals bank first goal is to ensure money stability. The objective of the FED is tought of traditionally to facilitate trade and commerce. Before the US had a central bank, the banks used to issue their own "money". Which kinda sucks since your entire commerce relies on JP Morgan gift cards
@Hyperpandas
@Hyperpandas 6 лет назад
Brock, seriously... that's about the dumbest thing you could say.
@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer
@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer 6 лет назад
@paulcmnt Simplified but will do. Still my initial question, how do you control money supply? What is your system that ensures supply and demand find their counterpart. How do you prevent lending of money that a Bank doesn't have yet below a certain reserve threshold (i.e. creating money)? How does the Bond market work? If you want a national currency, you need a central Bank in some way or another. Maybe not in it's current form. But some form nevertheless.
@Hyperpandas
@Hyperpandas 6 лет назад
@paulcmnt I'll leave it to Dr. M to pursue the money supply question, but I do want to correct you on how the Fed works. It doesnt control demand, it primarily influences supply by controlling how much cash banks are required to holding in their Reserve accounts.This in turn affects interest rates, investment, growth, employment, and inflation.
@harmonyqueue
@harmonyqueue 6 лет назад
We've seen unconstrained interest rate floats in certain types of short term lending markets, Brock. Because securities are held in short- and long-term portfolios, free floating and determination by market forces would collapse short-term markets through attempts to gain margin and thereafter collapse the markets for long-term securities, most of which comprise bets and hedges on futures. I may be wrong here because we can never truly predict how people will engage en masse, but if you look at how unrestrained finance plays out in subprime lending markets (payday loans, high interest secured and unsecured lending), that same situation would be more likely to occur with constraints removed at the macro level. I like Dalio's perspective on these matters: Don't ask an economist for financial advice, and don't ask a financial expert what's best for the economy. Finance can speak to the behaviors in markets, but as the complexity of a market grows, so too do the conflicts between revenue streams. Bailouts are an example of interventions necessary when the government uses financial advice to make broader economic decisions. It's avoidable when easing decisions analyze herd behavior, learn and target key influencers, and ease those influencers' beliefs and behaviors.
@DirtyMinusBit
@DirtyMinusBit 4 года назад
It is hilarious how they just cannot grasp what this guy does.
@katehillier1027
@katehillier1027 3 года назад
Planning your next bail out forced austerity for us plebs to exploit?’
@waranle961
@waranle961 6 лет назад
We are fucked
@grayarcana
@grayarcana 6 лет назад
Don’t feed the Fed: it feeds on you!
@sourabhvora2164
@sourabhvora2164 3 года назад
Prove it. Their is a lot of money yo be made. And this guy, woupd have lost all of his, if it were for no corona and compounding. Magic.
@brandenwright327
@brandenwright327 5 лет назад
I can predict a damn crash and I dont own a fucking car!!!! These ppl made sure it wasnt a crash in their bank account tho...
@dph22013
@dph22013 6 лет назад
You know nothing!!! Jesus folks. Just because this guy comes across as intelligent doesn’t mean he knows something. He doesn’t.
@samidelhi6150
@samidelhi6150 4 года назад
Great comic air right in his face but definitely smarter then many hedge funds out there
@contalei2408
@contalei2408 6 лет назад
Lets hope so
@newportislandjim
@newportislandjim 4 года назад
Prior to the first Great Depression the federal reserve had artificially low interest rates set by old line Republicans as pay back for corporations that helped them get elected. Banks were then able to loan millions to feed speculative schemes. The American public was in enormous debt and their wealth was all on paper. Within days the wealth of a large part of the country which had been concentrated in the vastly inflated stock prices simply vanished. Speculation which created wealth disappeared in the great crash. The wealth of the world was concentrated in the hands of a small class at the top. The wealth trickling down from the top was not enough. The great bulk of the population simply couldn't create the demand needed to keep up with the increasing supply. Manufacturers decreased production. Jobs were lost. The jobless could no longer paid for their mortgages. Millions lost their homes. Then as now, the greater the stock bubble, the greater the crash and depression. The Federal Reserve must not be seen as incompetent and incapable of not caving in to political pressure if it is to survive the economic depression that is coming. Those that think FDR"s policies that helped Americans get through the first great depression were too socialist are in for a rude awakening.
@kenrose1154
@kenrose1154 6 лет назад
I know what the next crash gonna look like, and its been starting in the Russell ( and he plays both sides)
@juschu67
@juschu67 5 лет назад
usually i play with the Russell too but in three holes
@sourabhvora2164
@sourabhvora2164 4 года назад
His trading startegy in analogy terms is something very simple. Tesla. Short short short short short from day one. But, then he shorts, so there is a swueeze, so there is a little bit of bleedibg. Short short short. Still tesla. 10 point or say considering the stock price,lets be rational, 20-5 points cover in stock. And a lil bit of options. Breakeven.
@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel
@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel 5 лет назад
Trumpty Dummie wanted a big wall Trumpty Dummie had a big fall All the cheap economist And all the stock floor kids Couldn't put Trumpty back in the office again Sad
@tyn6211
@tyn6211 5 лет назад
Is this guy actually saying anything? It seems like he's just saying "pretty words".
@TPT91
@TPT91 5 лет назад
Ty N he’s saying a lot. You’re just not specialised in this field.
@mulesttia
@mulesttia 3 года назад
He is saying A LOT. It is not even funny. It took me a long time to be able to grasp the full meaning of what he is saying tho.
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