Fuzz Townshend talks about E10 Fuel - do we need to worry? 

yes really good idea using a plant product that actually in Brazil is one of the reasons why the trees are vanishing in the rain forests there , ethanol actually is worse fot the environment but has a better profit margin , the amount of land it takes to produce this liquid is crazy , but as usual that isn't important is it

Jesus, the amount of swaying Fuzz is doing and steadying himself on the car makes me wonder how much ethanol he's been drinking 😂

Making the fuel as nasty as they can, playing us out the game

Would have expected more from this guy. Ethanol ate the little blanking plugs in the carbs of my GS550, which took ages to sort out. So maybe panic just a bit, it is not just the fuel line is it.

I have a lot of respect for Fuzz but on this subject he hasn't got a clue. He was winging it. And the woman says right at the end "so there's nothing to worry about!"🤣

There is NO stabiliser that will protect your car/bike from Ethanol. Stabilisers will only help the petrol from going stale and helps with evaporation.

Damn this dude gets really philosophical about the questions and forgets to answer them

When E fuels first appeared (E5 in 2011 iirc) I had significant problems with my Reliant, firstly it was down on power and economy and most notable was gasification in that after being on a long run i'd pull into services fill up or whatever then upon starting again to continue the engine would start easily enough but if you touched the accelerator to pull away would have no power and/or stall immediately, I checked and re-checked all the settings (carb, timing, valve clearances etc) but nothing was amiss so in desperation I then tried super unleaded (Alkylate fuel) immediately the engine reverted back to pre E5, so doing a bit of research I found that ethanol boils at 60C° whereas petrol boils at 80C° so because Reliant engines run in a small poorly ventilated engine bay that relies on airflow, when the vehicle stops the "heat soak" from the engine and exhaust heats the carburettor until the ethanol in the fuel in the main jet (SU carb, the main jet is brass which being a copper base alloy has greater thermal conductance than the aluminium alloy of the carb body) gasifies causing gas bubbles in the fuel jet and thus the fuel mixture. I thought I was alone with this problem and it was unique to Reliants until various friends with carburated bikes mentioned a similar problem (this doesn't affect fuel injected systems as the fuel is pressurised until injection) and I suggested trying this which cured the problem for them as well. Ethanol fuel in itself can be used for ICE's but generally require higher compression ratios or boost (super/turbo charging) as it's a relatively slow burning fuel and/or more spark advance (more advance less C.R.) and more fuelling (bigger jets) but when mixed with gasoline on engines not designed for these types of fuels actually becomes a hindrance (the ethanol burns but contributes nothing to the power due to it's slow burn and if you advance the spark detonation will occur from the gasoline (no leading anymore that was added to prevent this)), this is all apart from the hydrscopic issues and rubber (and other materials) component compatibilty. Any case that's my take on the whole E fuels issue.

What about Carburettor float bowls ? Friends have shown me horrible corrosion in vehicles that have been stored even with drained systems. The fuel left in the float bowls has caused them problems.

I wrote to my tory MP over this and other "green ideas" and he wrote back saying he fully supports the governments stance on green energy, the lunatics i fear have taken over the asylum, needless to say he has just lost my vote, Will my 31 year old SL run on this crap E10 i dont want to chance it.

Boris wants all the classics weighed in and us in electric buses.

Why is Fuzz rambling like a prime minister 🤔?

Fukinell was Mr Fuzz pished when he was being interviewed? Sway sway sway oh best hold myself up on this green thing.

Fuel lines you can see - if you look - but O rings in carbs and injectors etc will fail before you see them and what carnage might that cause with high pressure fuel spraying around a hot under bonnet area?

The only issue I've had on my Landrover Series 2 fitted with the Zenith 361v Carburettor is the expansion of the main O ring led to a very rich erratic idle which is something that was never effected before using the higher ethanol content fuel, I periodically check the fuel hoses and to date don't seem to be affected and I did recently drain the fuel tank to check for water in the fuel and absolutely nothing was untoward and it went back into the tank and used without any problems to report.

Is the camera man pissed stand still man

I think there is a need for immediate panic. E10 fuel, and then later E20/30 etc will certainly ruin an industry that is worth over £5 Billion pounds to the UK economy. Also this will affect jobs, and companies who work hard to keep older vehicles on the road. This is typical of UK Governments and a downright bloody shambles. They certainly don't want the 'lower orders' driving their classics do they!! I'll bet they won't be jumping on their electric bikes eh.

What he never mentioned was the drop in fuel economy. From what I've read and after talking to a few people it seem like your buying five tanks of fuel for the original four on E5. Perhaps some of you would like to confirm or deny that statement. They is also the extra tax the Government make on the sale of ethanol from the fuel suppliers. As with all these green ventures, they sometimes are done for the extra revenue.

Esso Synergy 99 RON is currently free of biocrap - in most of the south of England at least. Their website statement (accessed 17/11/21): 'Although our pumps have E5 labels on them, our Synergy Supreme+ 99 is actually ethanol free (except, due to technical supply reasons, in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland).

Expected far more from Fuzz, unprepared or just waffling?

Esso Synergy 99 in the South of England contains no Ethanol, I have a “Local Fuels” petrol station near me it’s petrol is zero Ethanol.

E5 doesn’t actually mean it has 5% ethanol, it depends on the area of the country you live in. In Scotland all E5 is 5% ethanol but in some counties in England it doesn’t have any ethanol in it. This has been confirmed by the petroleum industry.

Nice try, Fuzz, but it is bleeding obvious that you have no more clue than the rest of us. All you said is what anyone could have read in the motoring press. Stick to what you understand best. Your interviewer seems to know more about this than you do!

Didn't really answer the questions we need to know. Is E5 and E10 harming other parts of our fuel systems? What about the rubber diaphragms in classic fuel pumps, for instance?

It not just classic vehicles that are effected by E10, I have a 2004 nissan that was running like crap and virtually lost all power after using E10, after draining the fuel tank and started using super unleaded it was running fine again.

It's all right saying get your tank relined and change your fuel line's, BUT what about seal's in your fuel pump, carb etc which are hard to find, mine lasted almost 40 year's now i have to fit elec pump, try find a carb (gulp) that i can fit and get part's for etc etc AND then my car is not standard :(

I had my fuel tank cleaned out and lined,then within 8 years the E5 was stripping the lining!Little bits kept clogging the system, better buy an aluminium or stainless steel tank if you can.

My classic bikes and car now have rusty tanks (car one was brand new 4 years ago)which never was a problem,i stripped down 1 set of bike carbs 2 months ago(rebuilt with new kits only 3 years ago)which has rust blocking the air jets on 2 carbs out of 4,and last week had to strip my Dellortos carbs, as car was running bad under acceleration,found rust blocking the air jet in one set,so for me its a headake so far.Back in the 70-80's my bike had done 60000 without any rebuilds of carbs.Had exactly what Fuzz had with fuel pipes cracking on my classic car,ive replaced with R9 hose now,Coincidence?

You can buy B100 in parts of France, also certain South American countries use B80 and have done for years.

Have just got an older car and use E5 and won't be used in Winter. Just realised I need to concider what to do about the fuel going off and how to maintain that on a SORN vehicle. Anyone have any advice?

This man is just a waffler.

My A4 Quattro is noticeably more sluggish with E10 and is down 3 to 4 mpg on repeated comparable runs. 99 RON Tesco Momentum is still E5 and the Audi is back to normal. Just use super E5 fuel in your classic and you shouldn't have a problem.

The 10 in E10 represents a percentage, so 10% of 10L is ethanol. Ethanol is hydrophilic, (it sticks to water). 10% of 10L is 1L, so to extract 1L of ethanol from 10L of E10, you add 1L of water. Mix well and allow petrol to separate (probably overnight is best). You'll end up with a 2L water ethanol mix at the bottom and 9L of unleaded petrol on top of it Syphon off the unleaded, and dump the water ethanol mix at your local tip oil tank. You can add octane enhancers to the extracted unleaded if you want. There are several videos up here of people demonstratnig this process. Here's a guy doing it for lawnmowers. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7VwxRVATbOQ.html

I've used E10 in my Briggs & Stratton lawnmower and noticed lower power with reduced grass cutting ability..

Neoprine seals and flexible hoses are a good idea. alcohol also breaks down mineral oils, Castrol R works ok

First thing you should do get fuel from a non EU source get it from America suppliers

He said e 6 fuel line it's r6. . so the fuel line you need you need is r7 or r9 don't buy from evilbay it will be fake ,buy from specialised shops .it will be about 10pounds a meter

Looks like the cameraman had been sniffing ethanol!

lot of known faces talking about e10 but none seem to address what are the real problems just repeat repeat, basically old car remove the ethanol yourself. or buy e5 or replace your entire fuel delivery system end of discussion

Interesting vid....thank you.

What about valve guides/seats and the valves themselves? Will I need additives?

Ihave bought several bikes from the US were ethanol has been in use for several years all had serious internal rot in the fuel tanks

No mention of fuel pump diaphrams !!! You might have expected him to know how . they could cause trouble in a classic car,

Esso supreme unless you live in cornwall has no ethanol at all, even though the pumps are marked e5

Use E5 but also remove the ethanol (it’s simple to do) and add octane booster (even simpler!)

Will someone answer a simple question. What should i use in my 1972 Jag E-Type V12 E5 OR E10? I have been using 98/99 oct for some years without issues.

Ethanol is also a Refinery by product in SA we were running on synthetic fuel made from coal the whole refinery raw material were low grade coal processed through the factory the problem were the water damage to the fuel systems over time that were solved and they made a duel fuel wich could be used in the older cars wich required a lead based fuel and modern cars that do not need leaded fuel but the Ethonal can cause problems on rubber componants

We here in Australia we have had E10 for years l do not use it we also 91 95 and 98 l manly use 91 in my 1997 toyota hilux as it has a carby there is one rule l stick to if it has a carby no E10 also after a while in an efi car it does destroy the fuel pump

That Ford E83W 1172 SV van doesn't need any reduction in performance.

Bad news but the eth can be removed but it's a hassle

Drain your carbs when you store your classic

My local garage has done away with E5, after the fuel fiasco when it all ran out all they've done is stock with E10. So for my little fiat 126 and my lawnmower I'm removing the ethanol and I've found my mower runs loads better than when using the shite ......😂😂😂👍

The majority of Esso premium E5 is methanol free, check your nearest outlet

Has the camera person been drinking, alot of swaying going on

Not really been around for years on europe and the USA. They still drive classics.

E10 eats everything especially Aluminium, Modern cars have Aluminium Engines!!! Common sense says replace rubber parts etc but it's still going eat into metals!!! My tip is fill up add water, leave 24hrs then drain excess water and ethanol out before use!!!

V Power for me. No brainer......

the additives are crap they don't work lots of info in you tube

I thought ethanol was a by product of alcohol??

If your car stands for a while, any water absorbed will indeed sink to the bottom taking with it all the ethanol, can't imagine cars running too well on ethanol and water! I have stripped the carbs from ATV's that have been standing, with the carbs run "dry" and the residue/corrosion is the worst I've ever seen.

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Simple solution.... buy a diesel 😄

Good grief Fuzz... just stick to tinkering with cars mate. Rule of thumb - go by what your car manufacturer / handbook / franchise dealer tells you. Example - my 1991 Toyota Supra Mk3 is cleared to run on E5 but not E10, this is due to the rubber components in the fuel injection system. I had to email Toyota's European HQ in Belgium though to get the answer. So I now run on Premium 'protected grade' 98 octane E5 which is still available in the UK, though you may have to shop around for it. Older Classics from the 1960s/70/80s should also be run on this 'protected grade', as should earlier cars from the 20s through 50s. Yes it costs more per litre but its a darned sight cheaper than modifying or rebuilding or fuel system / engine.

What is this guy going on about? he has no idea what he is talking about.

Nothing is going to stop this planet from doing what it’s been doing for million of years and that is changing. The government want us all on the poverty line. Merry Christmas

My daily runs on E10, but nowhere near as well as on E5 or 98 ron. Its shite. My classics will run it but wont be using it.

All cars can run on it .It’s like the panic around leaded Fuel eventually you will have to replace components on the fuel system but they will run on it

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Probably the best plan is not to use the e10 rubbish on any car you have.

Just use E5 simple

"HygGROscopic"

All these motoring journalists just want to keep getting paid. It would seem none of them are prepared to tell the truth

I'm more confused after listening to muff.

And the answer is, I have no idea 🤔 Rubbish sound quality also 👎

I daily drive pre-war cars only on ethanol fuel E5 for a good couple of years and I have been using E10 since it came out, made sure the fuel pump is with a new diaphragm and gaskets and that the single rubber hose is correctly rated, no water in fuel as it is used regulaarly, no difference in power and no corrosion or blocked carburettor jets. It seems to be a big fuss over nothing to me.

This bloke could talk a pair of glass eyes to sleep, just get to the point ffsake.

What’s the fuss about? They’ve had e10 in the states ,and no doubt other places for 20+years. Has it killed their vehicles,ancient or modern? Answer - has it balls!

If i ust e10 in my golf it cuts out when idling at the lights

I think he's been on the ethanol. He can't stand up properly and talking a load of trash.

Just take ethonal out of petrol for vintage cars

Camerawork makes you seasick. Long winded explaination . people should just read the available info in 30 seconds.

Just don’t buy E10 and it will disappear

Hydrophilic not hygroscopic ...

Talking a lot without saying anything

Like a bad episode of first date.

Nobody wants fuzz in their fuel lines 😊😊😊!

Had to stop watching as I was getting sea sick! What’s going on with the camera tracking, one of the worst videos I have seen

Please sort out your volume levels. Also, whoever she was, is clearly not interested and needs to but out and let Fuzz speak.👎

No push back on the bollocks about global warming watch Patrick moor co founder of Greenpeace on climate the seals are clapping without a fish been thrown ready no no no no wait wait no no wait no nn noooooooooooooo